What is wrong with this deer?

hunt

8 pointer
Sep 29, 2015
945
The Berg
Ok,whatever. I don't even shoot Rage broadheads. Good luck to you and ur hound,I wish you both success,have a good day.
 

WildmanWilson

12 pointer
Dec 26, 2004
11,988
Western Ky.
For starters why are you bringing my dog into this. She didn't track the said deer either time it was shot. Not the first time when it had an arrow go through both lungs not the 2nd shot 3 weeks later with a rifle that killed it. When the said deer was quartering away on the archery shot the entrance hole that was shown was perfect for the angle with the broadhead lodging in the opposite shoulder. And Joe lacefield is the on who provided me with the pics and the story of the deer so are you calling him an idiot. You are just a rage fan boy and know that your time is coming that you will lose a deer to your beloved broadheads. I can assure you it will happen and then you will need to find someone who can help you find it with a dog. There is a reason that outfitters across the country don't allow hunters to use rage heads. And trust me it isn't because they work so good.
You still believe there’s a void between the lungs and spine. So you lose any credibility on your knowledge of deer anatomy.

Like we’ve said from the start...it was never a solid double lung shot. It clipped the very back of one and probably the very front of the other. With the angle you describe it’s the only possible answer. There just wasn’t as much damage as a solid broadside shot in the center of both lungs. I’ve been shooting deer for over 35 years and smart enough to know what solid double lung shot will do. If a deer can survive the shot you described then we would lose 90% of the deer shot.

Have you seen how much blood pours out of a deers chest after a solid double lung shot? Tissue damage, blood lose, and lack of oxygen, has only one outcome. Death. If a deer lives then these things didn’t happen. End of story.
 

allseasonhunter

8 pointer
Feb 2, 2010
502
You still believe there’s a void between the lungs and spine. So you lose any credibility on your knowledge of deer anatomy.

Like we’ve said from the start...it was never a solid double lung shot. It clipped the very back of one and probably the very front of the other. With the angle you describe it’s the only possible answer. There just wasn’t as much damage as a solid broadside shot in the center of both lungs. I’ve been shooting deer for over 35 years and smart enough to know what solid double lung shot will do. If a deer can survive the shot you described then we would lose 90% of the deer shot.

Have you seen how much blood pours out of a deers chest after a solid double lung shot? Tissue damage, blood lose, and lack of oxygen, has only one outcome. Death. If a deer lives then these things didn’t happen. End of story.
Nope never seen that. I've only hunted for 30 years myself and have only recovered 181 deer with just the dog alone in the last 6 years. That's probably more recovered deer than you will ever track in your life yet I still according to you don't know what I'm talking about. You have again hijacked yet another thread with your constant opinions that vary from what actually happened. If you want to learn something even though you think you know everything start following some tracking dog pages on Facebook. Pm me and I can give you some names to watch. Then you will see that this type of thing happens alot more than you realize. But again you won't because you are too bigheaded to see that in fact you are wrong. Good day sir
 

WildmanWilson

12 pointer
Dec 26, 2004
11,988
Western Ky.
Nope never seen that. I've only hunted for 30 years myself and have only recovered 181 deer with just the dog alone in the last 6 years. That's probably more recovered deer than you will ever track in your life yet I still according to you don't know what I'm talking about. You have again hijacked yet another thread with your constant opinions that vary from what actually happened. If you want to learn something even though you think you know everything start following some tracking dog pages on Facebook. Pm me and I can give you some names to watch. Then you will see that this type of thing happens alot more than you realize. But again you won't because you are too bigheaded to see that in fact you are wrong. Good day sir
You brought it up first so there’s your hijack. I don’t claim to know anything about tracking dogs. You think there’s a void so in your 30 years you didn’t learn much about anatomy.

What I do know is basic biology and what it takes to sustain life. If all of those deer you recovered were hit well you would be out of business. There’s no magic way to cheat death. You can post all the pictures of old scars you want. It doesn’t change basic biology.
 

allseasonhunter

8 pointer
Feb 2, 2010
502
You brought it up first so there’s your hijack. I don’t claim to know anything about tracking dogs. You think there’s a void so in your 30 years you didn’t learn much about anatomy.

What I do know is basic biology and what it takes to sustain life. If all of those deer you recovered were hit well you would be out of business. There’s no magic way to cheat death. You can post all the pictures of old scars you want. It doesn’t change basic biology.
If you say so. If you knew what we have tracked and found you would see that about half of what we have recovered were in fact not hit in bad spots. But again you know all the answers so you are right.
 

WildmanWilson

12 pointer
Dec 26, 2004
11,988
Western Ky.
If you say so. If you knew what we have tracked and found you would see that about half of what we have recovered were in fact not hit in bad spots. But again you know all the answers so you are right.
Yeah I see deer hit perfectly with their vitals blown out go for miles and live for weeks all the time. Lol

I’m sure some are shot well but maybe a difficult area to track. Most times I hear of someone needing a tracking dog it’s because of a not so perfect shot. But your the expert on deer anatomy. Just for the future, since I’ve been aiming for the wrong spot apparently, where should we noobs be aiming for?
 

Duster

12 pointer
Dec 14, 2001
17,801
Up in the woods above Lake Malone
One thing some may be missing on the void. Deer just like us breath in and breath out. Lungs are not fully expanded 100% of the time and it is possible to hit high and miss them. But again there is a major artery running along the spine that would be hard to miss on a high under the spine shot.
 

WildmanWilson

12 pointer
Dec 26, 2004
11,988
Western Ky.
One thing some may be missing on the void. Deer just like us breath in and breath out. Lungs are not fully expanded 100% of the time and it is possible to hit high and miss them. But again there is a major artery running along the spine that would be hard to miss on a high under the spine shot.
The lungs fill the area 100%. At no time do they have a space when they exhale.
 

Bubbles

Banned
Oct 25, 2016
1,334
Just to clarify, can a deer be shot below the spine and above the lungs....and live?
Yes indeed. I shot one at 8 yards from 22 feet. Watched the arrow disappear under the spine and complete pass through. Never found hardly any blood...not even on the arrow. There was meat and fat on the broadhead and arrow. Never found it.

Just the fact there wasnt any blood on the arrow amazed me. As for the void....mmmm...I personally wouldnt be surprised if there is a spot between the spine and lungs where, if hit, it isn't a terminal injury. But I sure as hell dont care to argue about it.
 

WildmanWilson

12 pointer
Dec 26, 2004
11,988
Western Ky.
Yes indeed. I shot one at 8 yards from 22 feet. Watched the arrow disappear under the spine and complete pass through. Never found hardly any blood...not even on the arrow. There was meat and fat on the broadhead and arrow. Never found it.

Just the fact there wasnt any blood on the arrow amazed me. As for the void....mmmm...I personally wouldnt be surprised if there is a spot between the spine and lungs where, if hit, it isn't a terminal injury. But I sure as hell dont care to argue about it.
There is no space between them. You hit above the spine. That’s why you didn’t find blood. There is very little blood running through the blackstraps. Did you watch the video I posted? Here is the video again.

 

bigbonner

12 pointer
Aug 5, 2015
4,359
I shot a deer with a rifle a few years ago .While I was cleaning the deer I found another bullet that had the meat healed up around it. The hide was healed up. It had to have been shot a year or two before I killed it. Where I found that bullet was a good shot and should have taken that deer .
I know that buck will stop and try and pack leaves In a wound.
 

EdLongshanks

12 pointer
Nov 16, 2013
19,063
Northern Kentucky
There is no space between them. You hit above the spine. That’s why you didn’t find blood. There is very little blood running through the blackstraps. Did you watch the video I posted? Here is the video again.

That video seems less than scientific. I have no doubt that the lungs carry upwards towards the rear and are in essence into the spine area. No doubt....but is it that way the entire length of the lungs? The lungs curve. Toward the front of the animal, the lungs are not necessarily up to the spine correct?
 

WildmanWilson

12 pointer
Dec 26, 2004
11,988
Western Ky.
That video seems less than scientific. I have no doubt that the lungs carry upwards towards the rear and are in essence into the spine area. No doubt....but is it that way the entire length of the lungs? The lungs curve. Toward the front of the animal, the lungs are not necessarily up to the spine correct?
No, lungs are pressurized. Both lungs are separated but they completely fill the space. They go all the way towards the front of the chest and are longer on the top than the bottom. The back or end is thinner than the rest and if a deer was hit in that spot it would not bleed as much or do as much damage possibly. But the top of the lungs will inflate and be pushed up against the ribs that connect to the spine. There is no possible way there’s a void.
 


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