Texas school shooting: Loved ones outside school begged police to go inside during shooting: 'Go in there!'

[Tankt]

Uvalde Police, School District No Longer Cooperating With Investigation​

Uvalde Police, School District No Longer Cooperating With Investigation

The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District Police have stopped cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's (DPS) investigation into the response to last week's mass shooting at Robb Elementary School, ABC News reports.

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Saw that yesterday. Has guilt written all over it.

Why wouldn't they cooperate?

 

[EC]

Uvalde’s Biggest Mistake Was Trusting the Police To “Keep Us Safe”​

Uvalde’s Biggest Mistake Was Trusting the Police To “Keep Us Safe”

The Uvalde police have helped demonstrate, yet again, what has long been clear: when you’re facing a maniac with a

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Walls Are Closing In On Uvalde’s Police Chief As Resident Rage Explodes​

Walls Are Closing In On Uvalde’s Police Chief As Resident Rage Explodes

Pete Arredondo, the school district police chief of Uvalde, Texas, has become the target of anger and blame for law enforcement’s delayed actions.

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I'll never understand why the trained professionals did not engage and neutralize the threat immediately if the timeline is indeed correct. The clock is ticking and lives are possibly/probably being lost with each passing second.

I fully understand that it is a very intense situation and the majority of the population could not effectively carry out such a task, but well-trained forces have to be proactive in dire situations. Fight fire with a bigger fire.

Just my opinion after Monday-morning-quarterbacking it all.

 

[bassvax]

Uvalde Police, School District No Longer Cooperating With Investigation​

Uvalde Police, School District No Longer Cooperating With Investigation

The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District Police have stopped cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's (DPS) investigation into the response to last week's mass shooting at Robb Elementary School, ABC News reports.

www.newsmax.com

That's the current commie tactic...sorta like the idiot that just got into the SCOTUS without answering any questions!

 

[Ataulbe1]

 

[carnivore]

I'll never understand why the trained professionals did not engage and neutralize the threat immediately if the timeline is indeed correct. The clock is ticking and lives are possibly/probably being lost with each passing second.

I fully understand that it is a very intense situation and the majority of the population could not effectively carry out such a task, but well-trained forces have to be proactive in dire situations. Fight fire with a bigger fire.

Just my opinion after Monday-morning-quarterbacking it all.

Cops are trained in defense and their decisions and procedures reflect that. They are not trained in offense and simply isn’t in their nature. That’s literally why SWAT exists.
I was being shot at in Atlanta and I watched 4 cops get in their cars and leave. They could have helped and they could have easily caught the bad guy, but instead they just left.

I had a gun pulled on 2 drunken trespassers that had just beat a guy half to death and watched 6 cop cars stage up the road for 40 effin minutes before they finally came in full force. They literally waited till a dozen units arrived before moving in. They don’t hire heroes or cowboys. Not all departments are the same but don’t expect to be saved by the police. That’s not what they do.
That said, it’s a dangerous job, they are easy to ambush and a lot of cops die in the line of duty. More often than not it’s while defending themselves not taking offensive actions.

 

[Brody]

They may not hire heros,but they shouldn't hire a bunch a COWARDS either. It's a crying shame that out of that many no one stopped it for the sake of those INNOCENT children.

 

[Redlined]

Whether they realize it or not, the Uvalde PD just emboldened any lunatics sitting out there teetering on the edge. Seeing the lack of response and knowing that they will most likely meet little to no resistance may be a deal maker for those that otherwise were too cowardly to act on their thoughts.

 

[bumhunter]

The problem is that after the school shooting in parkland, where the police officer failed to go into the school, the Supreme Court ruled that the police “have no duty to respond”. I don’t know if anything can be done to the police.

 

[timer]

I'm still not sure I trust the news reports about what actually happened. I can't begin to imagine the pressure on anyone with responsibility who was called upon to make a decision when innocent children's lives were at stake.

Having said that, if it is true that they knew that there were children trapped in the room with the gunman who were alive - perhaps wounded and bleeding to death...I cannot imagine any justification for a decision to not immediately tear a hole in the wall or the roof or both to get at the SOB who had shot them so the wounded children can get the medical care they need.

It was different back in my day. But in today's world, I cannot imagine an elementary school that isn't secure enough to keep people who have no business being there away from the kids. The door that the gunman entered the school through should have been locked. No excuse. Not only should the door have been locked, but there should have been some sort of monitored perimeter around the school. Any person who breeches the perimeter should immediately trigger an alert within the school and a call to local law enforcement. There should be laws that provide for significant penalties for anyone who is found to be on the school grounds without reason.

And finally, I don't expect the local police officers to be trained as a SWAT unit. But they should know the layout of all the schools in their district. They should have planned and practiced procedures for establishing visual surveillance of any room in any school. Under certain predefined situations, they should know how to breech the doors and they should know how to gain access into the rooms if the door is barricaded.

Schools have - very unfortunately - come to be identified as soft targets for the deranged of society who want to take innocent lives. I believe we have the responsibility to harden these targets. And personally, I believe we should make public examples of those who try to take innocent lives. I believe in the adage that you don't hang a man for stealing a horse, you hang him so others don't steal horses. Immediate public hanging of those who commit such acts would be much too gentle and kind and quick, but perhaps it would send a message.

 

[Buzzy]

Cops are trained in defense and their decisions and procedures reflect that. They are not trained in offense and simply isn’t in their nature. That’s literally why SWAT exists.
I was being shot at in Atlanta and I watched 4 cops get in their cars and leave. They could have helped and they could have easily caught the bad guy, but instead they just left.

I had a gun pulled on 2 drunken trespassers that had just beat a guy half to death and watched 6 cop cars stage up the road for 40 effin minutes before they finally came in full force. They literally waited till a dozen units arrived before moving in. They don’t hire heroes or cowboys. Not all departments are the same but don’t expect to be saved by the police. That’s not what they do.
That said, it’s a dangerous job, they are easy to ambush and a lot of cops die in the line of duty. More often than not it’s while defending themselves not taking offensive actions.

This is a great post.

The police are a reactionary force called when needed. Not a preventative force.

This post is wonderful because it articulates the answer to solving this is not more police or guns. Something else has to change with how we look at mental health.

These shootings are done by people who don’t care if there is an SRO. They are going to do what they do and die doing it. They know that.

Mental health needs to be a focus in this country but I’m worried it will turn into the same thing as “managing pain” which lead to the opioid epidemic.

 

[DBKY]

Buzzy, our biggest crisis in this country is our nagging commie problem.

 

[carnivore]

This is a great post.

The police are a reactionary force called when needed. Not a preventative force.

This post is wonderful because it articulates the answer to solving this is not more police or guns. Something else has to change with how we look at mental health.

These shootings are done by people who don’t care if there is an SRO. They are going to do what they do and die doing it. They know that.

Mental health needs to be a focus in this country but I’m worried it will turn into the same thing as “managing pain” which lead to the opioid epidemic.

The answer is having people (staff and resource officers) inside the school carrying concealed everyday that can respond in seconds. That put inherently puts them on defense.

Compare your instinctive visceral reactions if you wakeup to someone breaking into you home (loaded pistol in nightstand) with your family inside VS. driving down the road and seeing people crawling into a window of house of someone you don't know (pistol in glovebox)

I assume that in your home you would instantly become the most dangerous man on the planet, and in the car you would be debating calling the police and keep driving, accessing risk or strategies, maybe drive by a few times to make sure of what you are seeing, tell yourself nobody’s home, or honk from a distance to try to scare them off.


Those that are of sound mind and able body ought to learn to be proficient and train to be safe doing so. Im not advocating they be forced, but they should have the option if they wish.

Buzzy. Banning high cap mags, or handguns, or “assault rifles” is a deal breaker. Our government cannot be trusted and an armed citizenry is a huge check on tyranny that we take for granted.

People say we are no match for our military, but we were beat by the taliban with guerrilla warfare. They struck when the opportunity presented itself and waited us out. Our military is made up of our brothers sisters and cousins, not many of them will be dropping ordinance on our subdivisions.

I will continue to maintain we need a federal divorce to keep the peace. Weaken the federal gov an put the power back in the states hands so i can choose to live free in KY or WV and people that want to be “taken care of” can live up east or in CA. Both sides can live how they want but must endure the consequences of their decisions. And neither has to feel like the other is forcing their will down their throats via the federal gov.

 

[Tankt]

The answer is having people (staff and resource officers) inside the school carrying concealed everyday that can respond in seconds. That put inherently puts them on defense.

Compare your instinctive visceral reactions if you wakeup to someone breaking into you home (loaded pistol in nightstand) with your family inside VS. driving down the road and seeing people crawling into a window of house of someone you don't know (pistol in glovebox)

I assume that in your home you would instantly become the most dangerous man on the planet, and in the car you would be debating calling the police and keep driving, accessing risk or strategies, maybe drive by a few times to make sure of what you are seeing, tell yourself nobody’s home, or honk from a distance to try to scare them off.


Those that are of sound mind and able body ought to learn to be proficient and train to be safe doing so. Im not advocating they be forced, but they should have the option if they wish.

Buzzy. Banning high cap mags, or handguns, or “assault rifles” is a deal breaker. Our government cannot be trusted and an armed citizenry is a huge check on tyranny that we take for granted.

People say we are no match for our military, but we were beat by the taliban with guerrilla warfare. They struck when the opportunity presented itself and waited us out. Our military is made up of our brothers sisters and cousins, not many of them will be dropping ordinance on our subdivisions.

I will continue to maintain we need a federal divorce to keep the peace. Weaken the federal gov an put the power back in the states hands so i can choose to live free in KY or WV and people that want to be “taken care of” can live up east or in CA. Both sides can live how they want but must endure the consequences of their decisions. And neither has to feel like the other is forcing their will down their throats via the federal gov.

Well said.

 

[bassvax]

Whether they realize it or not, the Uvalde PD just emboldened any lunatics sitting out there teetering on the edge. Seeing the lack of response and knowing that they will most likely meet little to no resistance may be a deal maker for those that otherwise were too cowardly to act on their thoughts.

THIS right here!