Got this 9 point with a gun Tuesday. His best deer to date. I haven't been letting him bow hunt. I just didn't think it was ethical, until his skills were up to par. He had really been working on it lately, so I checked off on him going. He double lunged this doe. Shot at 25 yards, and only ran less than 40 yards. He "claims", that he is going bow only from here on out. The satisfaction for him was much greater. I don't hunt myself (used to ofcourse). Had much more satisfaction watching him, than I could ever have killing one myself.