Should Hunter orange be a choice?

Discussion in 'Deer Hunting' started by ojibwa62, Nov 22, 2019.

Should orange be the law of the land

Poll closed Nov 26, 2019.
  1. No

    15.2%
  2. Yes

    59.0%
  3. Should be a choice

    10.5%
  4. Only on public

    15.2%
  1. aaronc

    aaronc 12 pointer

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    Not saying I have a huge issue with the orange...but while DUIinfluence you endanger everyone else on the road as well. If you dont wear orange you pretty much just endanger yourself. I see a difference there.
     
  2. bgkyarcher

    bgkyarcher 12 pointer

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    I don't understand why anyone would object to trying to prevent someone from shooting them. It happens every dang year.... Without orange, it would happen more......
     
  3. aaronc

    aaronc 12 pointer

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    I'm not disagreeing. I wouldn't want my kid in the woods in modern gun with no orange on....I guess that pretty much says it for me.
     
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  4. OLE RASPY

    OLE RASPY 12 pointer

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    Dang I hate when someone thumps a cig butt out and I watched it bounce then hit my vehicle or they flick it High. And yes I’m about 3 car lengths behind them or more before anybody says WELL YOU FOLLOWING TOO CLOSE THEN. I don’t reckon.
     
  5. kyhunter99

    kyhunter99 12 pointer

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    If someone shoots or accidentally hits a person by accident and they die that person goes to jail and is labeled a felon. Which means no guns the rest of their lives AND they have to live with the thought that they killed someone on accident.
    Sometimes the people dont face charges.. sometimes they do.
    Wear orange.
     
  6. HCDH66

    HCDH66 6 pointer

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    I am fine with the orange requirement. However, I don’t understand why orange camo is not acceptable. What is the rationale for solid orange?
     
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  7. Huntin' Fool

    Huntin' Fool 6 pointer

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    I hunt private and I've yet to wear it this year and don't really plan to. I don't like other people knowing I'm there. One side of the property is right against a creek with a huge hill side with houses at the top. I've never seen anyone hunting the other side but I don't want them to see me either. I don't feel you should have to on your own piece of land.
     
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  8. ptbrauch

    ptbrauch 12 pointer

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    I hunt private land and over the years, we’ve had quite a few people wander over the fence or come up the drive who didn’t belong there. So we wear orange so they know someone is hunting there.

    Oh, and you don’t wear seatbelts for your protection. The law is there to protect the insurance rates of other drivers. The payout from insurance for an injury accident vs a fatal accident is exponential.

    But I do wonder if anyone were cited for not wearing orange, could they successfully argue against it as a constitutional infringement on their rights seeing how in Ky, we have a constitutional right to hunt and fish?
     
  9. shaman

    shaman 10 pointer

    Look guys, I'm for personal freedom and all. Still, I like Hunter Orange law.

    I've got several reasons. I will also say that 20 years ago, I hated Hunter Orange and skirted the law every chance I got. I became a believer.

    My big moment came back in 2001. Back then, and for maybe a decade previous to this, I'd been wearing an orange poncho out , and then taking it off and either wrapping it around a tree or draping it over the shooting rail or. . . well whatever I could to get it off me. Back then, I was hunting IN, OH, and KY. I was up in a treestand in Kentucky when I had my revelation. I had a bunch of deer come in on me and stood right by the stand. I was downhill from them on the side of a steep ravine, so I was only maybe 5 yards away from them and even though I was 15 feet in the air, I was just about at their same level.

    It occurred to me these deer had absolutely no clue I was there, and the poncho was draped over the shooting rail of my buddy stand, so it was hanging like a bedsheet. These deer looked right through it. That's when it dawned on me: deer just don't care about Hunter Orange. On the other hand, I can see other hunters over a mile. I've been places where on the Rifle Opener where I could spy literally hundreds of little Orange dots at a time-- all these guys out there with bullets whizzing, and no one was getting shot. The reason? Hunter Orange.

    So that's fine, why should anybody else wear Hunter Orange? I would say the most compelling reason is to prevent being shot. I am a conscientious hunter. I'm not the kind of guy that's going to mistake you for game or shoot at a bush, because I "heard something." However, if I don't know you're there, I might take a shot at a deer that passes through the animal or ricochets off a rock. If I see orange in that direction, I'm not going to fire. The biggest reason to wear Hunter Orange beyond the obvious is as a courtesy to other hunters. If they see a big orange blob out there, they are going to hold up shooting. They don't want your carcass on their conscience.

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    I've got an extended bunch of thoughts on this here:
    The Clown Suit Revealed

    So, no! I do not think Hunter Orange should be optional. As the patriarch of our deer camp, I demand it.
     
  10. shaman

    shaman 10 pointer

    The model for all Hunter Orange laws is NY. Back when New York instituted their first modern deer season, there were no Hunter Orange laws. The carnage was spectacular. It was a circular firing squad. NY did a study and the study cited two possible fixes: Hunter Orange and Hunter Education. They adopted both, and the morbidity rates dropped immediately. The biggest immediate help was mandatory Hunter Orange. Every other state followed suit.

    Whether or not you actually need a solid vest and hat to achieve an acceptable level of safety in today's hunting woods is debatable. We now have nearly everyone out there with a Hunter Ed card, and a lot of the dangerous behaviors that were causing the deaths have been squelched. Still, you can see from our debate that if you don't set some hard and fast rules, everyone is going to skirt them.
     
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  11. kyhunter99

    kyhunter99 12 pointer

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    Perfect stuff here. And where can I get one of those suits?! Im going full clown
     
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  12. Grago

    Grago 12 pointer

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    I wish someone would answer mu question no arguing no debating just a simple answer if deer are color blind why everyone wears camo i understand breaking up the pattern so why not bowhunt in orange with break up patterns why face paint deer rely mostly on their nose i know people kill them all the time wearing orange i just dont understand why millions are spent on camo if everyone thinks they cant see color kinda like when i got ra dr said i inherited it i told them i didnt no one in my family had it he said you had to only way get it so i asked did the first person that ever had it inherit it . Common sense goes a long ways even in todays technology i never realized how far we have come and how far we havent till i got sick in august all i hear drs say is i dont know and they really dont if you fart and it dont smell right they immediately want to do a blood test or some other test to see why i have gotten way off topic here sorry for that i think we have to many experts and specialists these days as well as scientist that really suppose to know it all and really dont but have a piece of paper that says they do
     
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  13. vest and boggin,full on outlaw,lol
     
  14. rlb165

    rlb165 12 pointer

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    Grago, here’s my, definitely NON-expert opinions, just based on my own experience. Your mileage may vary.

    Q: Why wear camo bow hunting?
    A: Mostly because turkeys and other critters are out there too, and they’re not color blind.

    Q: Why face paint?
    A: I first bow hunted in the knobs around Lebanon Junction. One morning, during gun season, I got settled in about 100 yards from a logging road that went up to the top of a knob. Right about daybreak, 3 other hunters that had permission to hunt there walked in on the logging road. They all had on orange, but what stood out the most were their faces. They looked like pale ghosts walking up that road.

    Q: RA
    A: I’ve not been diagnosed with RA, but if I eat carbs and crap, my joints hurt. In my case it’s my big joints, like hips and knees and shoulders, and lower back. A lot of other people feel RA in their smaller joints, especially their fingers. Eat nothing but meat for a few days and see how you feel. Your Dr. will tell you not to listen to people on the internet.

    Q: Experts and Specialists
    A: I personally think experts and specialists get too much blame/credit, and are expected to have all the answers when they don’t. Not that long ago, people believed “Once a spike, ALWAYS a spike”.
     
  15. Grago

    Grago 12 pointer

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    Rlb i respect your opinions still dont hold water with me people painted their face and wore camo a long time before turkeys were here im not bragging but i been doing this a long time and i have killed my share of deer and turkey some pretty good ones i.might add i have seen a lot of things in the woods i dont think deer are color blind have proved it to myself many times i find it hard to believe that all the deer hunters that buy camo are doing it so turkeys and other game dont see them but not going to debate i respect yours and everyone elses opinion there are a lot if things in life that people have different opinions on
     

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