Rumor bunch of COs quit?????

[WaterDog88]

Ex poachers would make good ones though.

Not naming names but some of the ones I’ve known knew a thing or two about it.

 

[dirtstalker]

One of the best CO's my county has ever had ( as far as job duties go) was known to be a top notch game outlaw. This was decades ago

 

[William Hayes4]

Very

Back when I was in high school I always said it would be cool to be a game warden but all my friends would hate me…… looking back I should’ve done it since I don’t have any friends anyway lol

Cool occupation, very dangerous occupation as well

 

[EdLongshanks]

I think they play whack a mole because they have such a high call volume compared to the amount of staff they have. And it’s unreasonable to think that patrol officers and sheriffs deputies and state policemen should be doing the job of conservation officers.

So you are saying you don't get benefit from the department of fish and wildlife? Sorry to be so direct, but that statement is utterly ridiculous. So we should just do away with limits and seasons? We should just shoot or catch whatever the heck we want? How did that work out in the late 1800's and early 1900's when most of the wildlife populations were nearly decimated.

Is the KDFW perfect? Far from it. Could they do better in certain areas? Sure. But take a bit of a historic look at where we have come. We have some of the best deer hunting opportunities in the nation.

I appreciate the directness. I guess I fail to see how abolishing the department would eliminate bag and possession limits? Why would it just turn into Armageddon? Laws don’t cease to exist. The conservation officers are over worked and under manned already. How many poached deer go without prosecution? How many trespassing incidents are ignored? I’d say the overwhelming majority. Maybe restructuring how the department is funded and made up would result in more available resources and better service?

 

[FF/EMT516]

@William Hayes4 Yeah it could be. I remember a couple years ago there was a game warden down in butler co who was actually very active doing regular police work and I thought it was pretty cool to hear about the other side of their training come out.

 

[FF/EMT516]

I appreciate the directness. I guess I fail to see how abolishing the department would eliminate bag and possession limits? Why would it just turn into Armageddon? Laws don’t cease to exist. The conservation officers are over worked and under manned already. How many poached deer go without prosecution? How many trespassing incidents are ignored? I’d say the overwhelming majority. Maybe restructuring how the department is funded and made up would result in more available resources and better service?

Who is going to check the bag and possession limits? Who would investigate the poached animals? Who would follow up on all wildlife calls?

 

[carnivore]

I appreciate the directness. I guess I fail to see how abolishing the department would eliminate bag and possession limits? Why would it just turn into Armageddon? Laws don’t cease to exist. The conservation officers are over worked and under manned already. How many poached deer go without prosecution? How many trespassing incidents are ignored? I’d say the overwhelming majority. Maybe restructuring how the department is funded and made up would result in more available resources and better service?

Restructuring could be good but it wont be. The people performing the changes will grab funds and power to the detriment of the dept and the end user

 

[EdLongshanks]

Who is going to check the bag and possession limits? Who would investigate the poached animals? Who would follow up on all wildlife calls?

Hardly any are checked now. Law enforcement should be performed by law enforcement. Why is a special unit required? The status quo insures that most all crimes go unnoticed because the current enforcement is so few and far between.

 

[FF/EMT516]

Hardly any are checked now. Law enforcement should be performed by law enforcement. Why is a special unit required? The status quo insures that most all crimes go unnoticed because the current enforcement is so few and far between.

That’s the point I’m trying to make here. Prime example here that is a true story, a child less than 5 years old dies because of an overdose and a police officer has to sit with the child’s sibling while CPS is investigating the case. Say a someone calls in and says my neighbor just shot a deer in the field and it’s the middle of summer. No units are available, do you really expect someone to leave said child by themself to go take care of a deer that you don’t even know has been shot or not? I don’t think you have any real concept of what goes on out on the street. You’re sitting there behind your keyboard talking about what you think. Key word being think. You have no idea. You just want to argue with anyone just for the sake of arguing. But back to what we were talking about. To cover wildlife calls each dept would have to hire an additional 1-2 officers just to cover that and they are probably already at least that many short already.

 

[Hoene]

In owen County we were without a CO for a couple years and the State police took the calls for Owen County. In the past few years there has been a few CO's that after going through the training which includes police training transferred to some police departments because of a huge increase in salary.

 

[wolverine1]

Hardly any are checked now. Law enforcement should be performed by law enforcement. Why is a special unit required? The status quo insures that most all crimes go unnoticed because the current enforcement is so few and far between.

To be clear, is your contention to abolish the "Law Enforcement" Division of KDFWR? Or, KDFWR as a whole? Like I mentioned in a previous post the KDFWR does much more than law enforcement.

In response to "law enforcement should be performed by law enforcement" you are suggesting that state, county and local LE should be charged with investigating, enforcing and reporting wildlife violations that CO's do currently?

 

[EdLongshanks]

That’s the point I’m trying to make here. Prime example here that is a true story, a child less than 5 years old dies because of an overdose and a police officer has to sit with the child’s sibling while CPS is investigating the case. Say a someone calls in and says my neighbor just shot a deer in the field and it’s the middle of summer. No units are available, do you really expect someone to leave said child by themself to go take care of a deer that you don’t even know has been shot or not? I don’t think you have any real concept of what goes on out on the street. You’re sitting there behind your keyboard talking about what you think. Key word being think. You have no idea. You just want to argue with anyone just for the sake of arguing. But back to what we were talking about. To cover wildlife calls each dept would have to hire an additional 1-2 officers just to cover that and they are probably already at least that many short already.

Well thanks for that enlightening and sanctimonious rant. Very informative, although quite contradictory. Meanwhile, you complain about the department being underfunded and lacking the adequate police force to do anything substantial. But yeah….I’m not the one thinking rationally

 

[EdLongshanks]

To be clear, is your contention to abolish the "Law Enforcement" Division of KDFWR? Or, KDFWR as a whole? Like I mentioned in a previous post the KDFWR does much more than law enforcement.

In response to "law enforcement should be performed by law enforcement" you are suggesting that state, county and local LE should be charged with investigating, enforcing and reporting wildlife violations that CO's do currently?

Yes. It’s worth consideration.

 

[FF/EMT516]

Well thanks for that enlightening and sanctimonious rant. Very informative, although quite contradictory. Meanwhile, you are complain about the department being underfunded and lacking the adequate police force to do anything substantial. But yeah….I’m not the one thinking rationally

Contradictory? Please explain?

 

[EdLongshanks]

Contradictory? Please explain?

It’s pretty obvious…..but you are saying that general law enforcement will not respond to various crimes, meanwhile admitting that the department lacks the appropriate number of officers to respond to various crimes. They don’t offer competitive salaries and they aren’t attracting the needed applicants. The system has officers chasing their tails. It’s not the co’s fault but the system as a whole doesn’t seem to be sustainable or as effective as it could be