I bought an Optima 2 3 years ago, had trouble with grouping after 2 shots with triple 7 and pyrodex I assume due to crud ring. Tried white hots and a 295 powerbelt this weekend and found my guns sweet load. Was gonna get rid of it and a buddy gave me the white hots . we have 2 other Optimas that you can shoot anything out of. Gotta love the smokeys!