I was hunting Grindstone with a friend, and, at that time, there were a few guys that had permission to gun hunt as well. Hunting pressure around Grindstone is high. On the boundary fence to the west, there were 11 tree stands in the fence row. That fence is 1800 feet long, with all of the stands being in a 900 foot stretch toward the north, along the alfalfa field. In a one mile stretch down the holler, my neighbor and I knew of 37 hunters. The properties around Grindstone are not big parcels. 10-60 acres for the most part. When we had alfalfa, we pulled deer from just about every property around. It wasn't uncommon to have 40 deer in sight, in the alfalfa. We shot several does each fall, but the quality just didn't get better. Everything was right, except age. We couldn't get deer to survive the neighbors. Pretty much every 2.5 year old buck vanished after gun season. I don't fault anyone for pulling the trigger on what makes them happy. Just be happy, and don't make excuses for killing younger deer. If you want meat, and hunt in a zone 1 or 2 area, I'd suggest shooting does. You'll benefit in the long run if antlers are your goal. Shooting a 2.5 year old buck because you have a buck tag in your pocket, then complaining about not seeing big deer doesn't make good sense. Shooting a 2.5 year old buck, then making excuses? Well, you can draw your own conclusion there. I'm not an antler hunter these days. I'll go head to head with a mature doe and enjoy the challenge. Beating an old nanny on her home turf while supplying meat for the freezer is a win win for me. If a mature deer happens to find me sitting in a tree, I'm not going to pass him up. I enjoy hunting much more now than I did when I chased antlers. Grindstone acreage is relatively small, in the whitetail world. Just shy of 200 acres, with about 35-40 acres of the nastiest snarled mess of woods you'll find anywhere. Bush honeysuckle has taken over, despite my best efforts to rid the place of it. I keep the areas around the oaks cleared off, along with a buggy trail that I use to enter and exit when I'm working on food plots. I don't gun hunt Grindstone. I leave it to the deer. If they can find their way onto Grindstone, they have a safe place while the guns are popping.