Let's "think" about the other side ... not "bash" it:

Discussion in 'Community Forum' started by grouseguy, Mar 11, 2016.

  1. grouseguy

    grouseguy Cyber-Hunter

    Rather than just bashing the other side, let's take a moment to think about our preferences and worst cases on the other side.

    Two questions to frame the discussion:

    1. Who do you hope the other side nominates? Basically, who do you think your preferred candidate would run best against in a general election?

    2. If the other side wins the general election, who could you best/least live with as POTUS?

    I'll start:

    1. Personally, I'd like to see a Sanders vs. Cruz campaign. I think Bernie wins in a landslide over Eduardo Rafael.

    2. However, on the outside chance that Eduardo Rafael would actually win, I would be the least pleased with him as POTUS. Personally, I was impressed with Rubio's debate performance last night and could live with him as POTUS. If it turns out to be either Trump or Cruz ... I'd prefer a Trump Dictatorship over a Cruz Theocracy.

  2. Xi Bowhunter

    Xi Bowhunter 12 pointer

    Nov 17, 2002
    Goetz Farm
    Worst case in my book, Hillary as my president.

    Trump will beat Bernie or Hillary, but it would be close with a Trump/Hillary race.

    Hillary wins against Cruz and Rubio. Much tighter race between Cruz and Hillary though.

    Just my take on how this will lay out.
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  3. smashdn

    smashdn 12 pointer

    Nov 24, 2003
    Palmyra, Kentucky
    I could live with another Clinton. What she is is fairly known. Sanders is the known unknown in my mind.

    I don't need a bible scholar for potus but Cruz is the only candidate I can see that would at least try to restore fiscal responsibility. I'd prefer to see many, many programs defunded versus raising tax rates (income, corporate, etc) to continue to fund them and put us further into debt. Folks say Trump is a business man, and he is, but you really ought to look at how he goes about his business before you go supporting him. Think strong-arm tactics versus shrewd decision making. I don't think that thinking will fly to get us back on path financially as a country. I also don't feel like he cares very much about whether I can own a gun or not.

    1. I hope the Democrats nominate Sanders. (I don't think he will have support of the whole party the way Clinton could)
    2. I could best live with Clinton. I think she would essentially get stone walled in congress but that executive order thing scares me.
  4. Iceman35

    Iceman35 12 pointer

    Oct 27, 2008
    Boone County
    As an independent, who believe the government should be limited and fiscally conservative, I'll chime in.

    Hard to choose because I believe either candidate would lead to either financial ruin, or massive civil unrest, or both. Sanders has never proven how his economic policies are in any way sustainable, and I believe Hillary would be so polarizing in her far left policies, far greater than Obama even, that I honestly believe her presidency could lead to a massive civil unrest against the government, and de-facto revolution. Hate to say it, but given the choice, I'd take Hillary because we're going to have to clean house in Washington one way or the other, and I'd like to get the nastiest part of whatever that might be before my children have to deal with it.


    Trump is so polarizing on the other end of the spectrum, because he's telling people what they want to hear, and realizes our attention span as a whole is so short, he'll never have to live up to any of it after the election. I've never seen any real plan out of the man. As a student of history, I've seen too many just like him come to power exactly as he is attempting to do, and bad things have resulted because of it. My choice, if given one, would be Cruz, because he most aligns with what I would want to see in the federal government. I don't however, think he has either the personality, or the stones to stand up as president, and run the country according to the Constitution, then dare the media, the DNC, or the GOP to do a damn thing about it.

    I'll probably vote Libertarian anyway.

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  5. oddfellow1976

    oddfellow1976 6 pointer

    Jul 26, 2012
    I would have to disagree with Cruz creating a Theocracy. Cruz is a constitutionalist. The constitution doesn't promote a theocracy. Rather Cruz wants to protect religious liberty. The thing most people don't understand is that he is a very likeable guy. He is a family man. He plays with his daughter on the debate stage during commercial breaks.

    Back to the original question. I guess I could live with a Hillary or Bernie or Trump. I've made it through two terms of Obama. Now that doesn't mean I couldn't live happily. We always make due with the hand we are dealt.
  6. grouseguy

    grouseguy Cyber-Hunter

    Some of you guys appear to think that Sanders would be the easier "out" in the general election ... how come? From all the polls I've seen, Sanders runs much stronger against all potential R nominees than Hillary does.
  7. grouseguy

    grouseguy Cyber-Hunter

    I see this mentioned a lot, but if that were true, wouldn't he have recognized the potential constitutional landmine of his "natural born" eligibility to be POTUS and dealt with that issue in advance by seeking some type of declaratory judgment settling the issue.
  8. trust me

    trust me Troubled Loner

    Nov 27, 2004
    Jerkwater, KY
    Bernie is the easy out because he will attract zero bleedover from the right, and will possibly even lose a few votes from the left just because of his "socialist" tag. Hillary will attract a few voters from the right, the ones that can't stomach Trump or Cruz. And she'll easily garner 99% of the left because they won't budge for any of the right's candidates.

    My most likely outcome is Hillary over Trump in a close one.

    PS. All useless rants and attacks will be deleted from this thread. Just as an experiment.
  9. oddfellow1976

    oddfellow1976 6 pointer

    Jul 26, 2012
    IMO if it were truly an issue Trump would have capitalized on it.

    Nonetheless, that issue doesn't make him any less of a constitutionalist.
  10. grouseguy

    grouseguy Cyber-Hunter

    Your thoughts seem to represent the majority of posters here ... I just don't see it that way. Granted, if you could count on the polls, Matt Bevin would not be our governor now, but there are just so many different national polls that indicate the same thing, which is the opposite of what you're saying. I really think Bernie has a lot more cross over appeal than anyone ever gave him credit for and it seems to be trending even more positively for him as he pulls off more "upsets".

    Also, nationally, it doesn't seem like the "socialist" label makes as much difference as it does here. It just seems like the more people listen and learn about Bernie, the brighter his star shines. Personally, I've been listening to Bernie for probably 7+ years now ... and I really like his message. Honesty, integrity and consistency carry a lot of weight with me, and on those qualities ... Bernie laps the field of both parties potential nominees.
  11. Xi Bowhunter

    Xi Bowhunter 12 pointer

    Nov 17, 2002
    Goetz Farm
    I can say this, I would vote for Bernie over Hillary every day of the week, IMO, she is just that bad.

    I am really surprised that as many people in this thread have said they could "live with" Hillary. Nothing about that woman appeals to me in the least. And she is a proven liar to boot.
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  12. smashdn

    smashdn 12 pointer

    Nov 24, 2003
    Palmyra, Kentucky
    Voter apathy. Minorities and women (at least to my thinking) are more apt to vote for Clinton. I doubt think you are going to get them particularly excited about an "old white man."
  13. Coot_Meurer

    Coot_Meurer 10 pointer

    Nov 4, 2006
    Not here anymore
    From the D side I would actually vote for Jim Webb. He was the only candidate the Ds had that was honest, accomplished, and truly a patriotic American. He was also better than anyone running on the R side. Unfortunately, there is no Democratic demographic anymore for competent and intelligent prior military. That wing has been run completely out of the party.

    That being said, I would prefer to see Sanders. I actually believe him to honestly believe what he is selling and has been remarkably consistent in his beliefs. While I may completely disagree with almost all of those beliefs, at least I think he would be a fair representative.

    I consider Hillary to be the most dishonest, disagreeable, self-aggrandizing, political piece of trash to cross the stage since I have been old enough to pay attention. I think she would sell anything and everything for a buck and never think twice. Worse, I think that she thinks she is owed this presidency. I would literally take anyone, anyone running over her. Even Lindsay Graham, King Rino, would be better than her. I would even write in the pile of Dog Doo in my yard before I would vote for her. I am not sure the English language even has enough emotionally expressive words to describe my dislike and distrust for her.
  14. WildmanWilson

    WildmanWilson 12 pointer

    Dec 26, 2004
    Western Ky.
    I see the Clinton's as nothing more than an organized crime family. They are so slimy and dishonest that they can't even hide it.

    Sanders is popular with the people that think they have been cheated in life and the deck is stacked against them. Some want him to win so they can get all the free "stuff" they deserve. This is the group that's most dangerous to America. We have seen the push of this country towards more socialist ideas because so many think they are victims. While it may seem great to force someone else to pay for parts of your lifestyle, it causes so many to not work to improve themselves and work toward bettering their lives.

    What these people need to understand is life is not fair and never was meant to be. This country was founded by people that would risk it all for just the CHANCE to do better. We have lost that in this country as the government has taken over more and more. People are selling out for security by giving up liberty. This is why it doesn't matter at this point who we get in office. All it does is changes the time line on when the country goes under... Too many people are riding in the wagon as it goes over the cliff. They are just too stupid to jump out and change the direction of the wagon and would rather ride it to the bottom.....
  15. Tufrthnails

    Tufrthnails 10 pointer

    Oct 27, 2014
    Lakeland, FL
    I must be living in a bubble because the people I talk to rep and dem (not the idiots on FB) say Sanders is left wing moron socialist and hillary is a murderer and proven liar. The dems I talk to are scared to death because they KNOW that either D candidate will lose this election several have said they know how I felt with my chooses for R candidate in 08 and 12. The rep I talk to are split across the board. Personally I liked Carson, but I will probably vote Cruz because he is the closest to what I need. I even had a couple dems admit they aren't voting for either sanders or hillary.

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