KDFWR issues. Not sure where to put this so here it is.

Discussion in 'Community Forum' started by Drahts, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. ribsplitter

    ribsplitter Cyber-Hunter

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    Lol this corruption has probably been going rampant since kdfwr was formed. It won't stop anytime soon people bitch and moan ,me included but in the end it all washes to the side and it starts anew.
     
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  2. ptbrauch

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    So I listened to the Strader podcast and here's a summary.... KDFWR essentially used it's resources--time, employees, equipment, etc to capture elk that were then transferred to a private entity. The private company will/is charge the public to view these elk. They also get to keep any elk offspring. This was all done without the Commission's knowledge and was authorized by a member of the KY Tourism Cabinet, who was acting Commissioner during this time. So basically it's a money grab by the tourism cabinet.

    A little history... When Gassett was commissioner, he was reprimanded and retired because he authorized the stocking of fish from the department to private waters. It was found that the dept cannot give public resources to private entities. Whoever was the elk transfer approver was on the board, or something at the time of the Gassett findings. So it should have been known to them that this was illegal.

    Also, in the past 10 years, the dept has transferred about 700 elk to other entities. All the details are readily available for the elk transferred to MO, WI, and VA. However, for the elk that went to Appalachian Wildlife Foundation over the past 3 years, the details are hard to come by. And of the about 700, the greatest percentage of them went to AWF (38%). And it's modeled that of the 241 transferred, with the birth/mortality rates figured in, they now have what amounts to about 500-600 elk now.

    So the take away is that if you think the elk numbers are low and were upset that the dept was transferring elk to other states, you should really be upset about this because the dept essentially just gave elk away. And also, in favoring tourism over hunting, are reducing the available places where hunting the elk can occur--at least 2 WMA's have been shut down to elk hunting in favor of elk viewing. The tourism camel has it's nose under the KDFWR tent.
     
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  3. aaronc

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    After reading the OP through several times it simply sounds like the usual bureaucratic sh@t,...who wants to sort all that garbage. We live in the age of the internet. ANY "entity" that would ask for or receive your money through charity or taxes that wants to convince you they are acting in good faith,....can simply open up the check book and post the books. Why wouldn't they.
     
  4. KY Swamp Beagler

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    Ed, Peabody isn’t owned by KDFWR. That’s why you pay a fee. There are also properties controlled by the Army Corps, but leased by KDFWR, then there’s land owned by TVA, or other entities but they give access to hunters and anglers.

    Iceman summed it up nicely. All hunters and anglers benefit from public land and waters. Said hunter or angler determines how much they personally benefit from it.

    All animals in KY are held in public trust. They aren’t owned by KDFWR and therefore can’t be transferred to a private entity. We entrust KDFWR and other government agencies with management of wildlife and public lands and waters. They don’t own them.
     
  5. Munson

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    Great, jist what we need more friggin tourists!! Except now at the expense of us law abiding sportsmen:mad:. Lots of swamps need drained at the highest level... wish I knew where the plug was:eek:
     
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  6. ptbrauch

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    Oh, and the center they're building to show off these elk won't open until 2021.

    The center sits on 12,000 acres and will include a zoo. So I don't think they'll allow hunting there.
     
  7. aaronc

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    Don't mean this in a negative way toward your opinion on KDFWR or whatever but "Management of" in a practical sense in my mind is the same as having "control of". It may not be a legal definition of ownership but when it comes down to it it's basically the same thing.

    I like simple,...all the entities and boards and board members and $$ coming from here and going there,...I always walk away thinking it's a shell game. Nothing new, better,..or different. I just don't trust none of them people.
     
  8. I smell outside influences that maybe aren’t in alignment with the best interest of Kentucky sportsmen.
     
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  9. KY Swamp Beagler

    KY Swamp Beagler 12 pointer

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    You’d likely see eye-to-eye with the majority of folks that work at KDFWR and find them dedicated to fish and wildlife. It’s the 80/20 rule. You’d agree on 80% of things and be able to discuss the 20% you disagree on.

    KDFWR and Tourism and Cabinet leadership is another story. That’s the rub.
     
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  10. Carl

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    Thanks for this post. It's all about the $$. Heads need to roll.
     
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  11. Duster

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    Peabody is a mix of state owned and leased land.
     
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  12. aaronc

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    You may be correct.
     
  13. Carl

    Carl 12 pointer

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    I know about Peabody land. I live about 3 miles from there. I have spent many days there hunting but mostly fishing. I used to go there when you didn't have to have a permit. I wish I was physically able to go there now but all I do is remember the good times.
     
  14. Duster

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    At one time Peabody tried to limit the number of hunters by permits given out by the different mines. I know this because my sister was in charge of the permits on Sinclair mines around the Paradise TVA plant. When that mines shut down and the state took over they went to a quota hunt system for firearms. I don't think many of the locals went to the mines office and got the free permits just went on as they had done for years. She said it would be the same groups year after year from eastern Kentucky that came in for permits for the most part. Lot of crying when they first came up with the paid for permits that the state put in place by locals that had hunted there for many years for free. Ken over your way probably did the same thing as Sinclair and others that now make up Peabody WMA.
     

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