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Discussion in 'Small Game Hunting' started by duckdawg, Apr 3, 2002.

  1. GSP

    GSP 14 Pointer Staff Member

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    DuckDawg,
    I have finished my turkey scouting and I’m back. First, I would like to say that me and I hope all on here agree that habitat is the most important factor in successful small game management. It really stood out today as I drove around the area that I grew up. Clean farms, no fence lines, cleared creek banks, overgrown areas gone. Bush-hogs, bulldozers and weed-eaters have killed more small game than sportsman or predator ever will. This I truly believe.

    The debate on this subject was the killing of hawks or birds of prey. I still do not have a problem with the killing of birds of prey doing harm to a persons property. I have witnessed a hawk camping on a covey of young quail for a week. I have witnessed hawks camping out on a barn-lot of chickens too. I am not advocating the full eradication of the birds or an open season. I am saying that a person should be able to protect their property and should be premitted to keep them in check. I know this will never happen. For whomever tries introducing it will be committing political suicide.

    I have now answered your question in full. May I ask one of you or others? It seems that the biggest argument against any removal of birds of prey come from biologist. Their defense is, birds of prey kill nest robbers. That I can’t argue, but something was left out. They kill ANYTHING they can. Birds of prey will kill, rats, mice, quail, chickens, snakes, skunks and cats. Now the question, why do we have open season on Yotes and a season on Bobcats and foxes? Hawks and owls eat the exact same diet as foxes and Bobcats, with the exception of some seed, but hawks are not to be touched, while Yotes are to be eradicated year ‘round? This does not seem to be a balanced equation. From a scientific standpoint, I see no difference. It all seems to be a social standpoint.

    Hope you had a good field trial. Anyone that hunts with a dog must be a decent person.
     
  2. GSP

    GSP 14 Pointer Staff Member

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    Hey Duk,
    Have not heard from you. Hope your dog did well in the trials.
    I posted my reply in both places and things sure got quite?
    Don't get me wrong, I ain't out to ruffle feathers, I just don't see this as a scientific issue as others do. I still believe it to be a social issue.
    Killing birds of prey will not be tolerated by the general public!
    I really hope that none of my money that I spend with the Dept of F&W is being spent on a study or avian preditors. It don't matter, it is a social issue, not a scientific one. There will never be a control of birds of prey. Regardless of it being right or wrong for small game.
     
  3. Birdman

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    Boys we all talk about habitat and most of us include food plots along with habitat, some biologist consider food plots the worst thing you can do for wild life and that's a quote. It's sad when some of the people in charge beleave like that. The birds of prey you just have to do what you have to do and go from there. GSP have you got your bird tied up by a big oak yet?
     
  4. GSP

    GSP 14 Pointer Staff Member

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    I would never tie a turkey to an oak! I always tie him to a cedar, that way he won't get wet if it rains!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
    Ronnie, I'll be in touch with you about some of the WMA issues. We got a bunch to talk about
     
  5. GSP

    GSP 14 Pointer Staff Member

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    Glad to hear the dawgs did good Duk,
    actually this is probably a good issue to let die a quick death. As we agree habitat is the major factor. Predators are only a small factor. But a factor neverless and it was being belittled by many of the "scientific people", that was the only point I threw into the fight and that was the reason.
    I still think that if you put little sunglasses on hawks they would look like Mafia hitmen sitting on telephone poles!
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    Rick Allen- GSP
    "Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog"
     
  6. GSP

    GSP 14 Pointer Staff Member

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    Naw Duk,
    I wuzunt on an all out attack. Maybe yanking the chain a little though.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

    As for another controversial topic? I'm game. Heck, I've even been known to argue a truely non-controversial subject, like "What is the best breed of dogs"?
    Everyone knows that is the GSPs, but I've found people that will even argue that. Can you believe it?????<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
    Take care.
    Rick-GSP
     
  7. duckdawg

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    haha
    ya all know that the lab is the best all-around gun dawg!!!
     
  8. GSP

    GSP 14 Pointer Staff Member

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    Boy Duk, you do like arguing. Even on a subject that is Black and white.............or I should say Liver and Ticked.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

    If you think I'm bad, there are people on here that'll even throw in Setters.

    Now I'm just yanking the chain again. I've had a couple of Labs before and I loved them. I have 3 GSPs now and I love them too.

    OK, I'm gonna hit you with this ststement and I'll bet the farm you agree.
    "You don't know what fun is until you hunt behind a DAWG"!
     
  9. GSP

    GSP 14 Pointer Staff Member

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    Good Luck Duk,
    I'm doing the same. Heading to Morgan
     
  10. thunderstorm

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    Duckdawg is correct on the breed of dog.
    But, he's got the color all wrong...needs to be chocolate!!
     
  11. GSP

    GSP 14 Pointer Staff Member

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    Wouldn't you know it! I even tired making amends with the Lab folks and I had the wrong color of them, Black! <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>Old Jim & Jack. Loved those dogs.

    I got this e-mail today, you gotta love it!

    SINGLE BLOND FEMALE The following ad appeared in a newspaper.

    SBLF Seeks Male companionship, ethnicity unimportant. I'm a svelte good-looking girl who LOVES to play. I love long walks in the woods. Riding in your pickup truck. Hunting Camping Fishing trips. Cozy winter nights spent lying by the fire. Candlelight dinners will have me eating out of your hand. Rub me the right way and watch me respond. I'll be at the front door when you get home from work, wearing only what nature gave me. Kiss me and I'm yours. Call 555-XXXX and ask for Daisy.


    (The phone number was the Humane Society, and Daisy was an eight week old Yellow Labrador Retriever.)
     
  12. Birdman

    Birdman Cyber-Hunter

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    It's good to see you boys are full of piss and vinegar about these generic dogs anyone knows that a bird dog has long hair a tail and a setter meets both of those requirements. Don't blow up yet. They also should be tri colored. (setters no doubt).

    PS I'm back.
     
  13. grouseguy

    grouseguy 12 pointer

    You tell'em Birdman. Does it matter if you have all three colors, just not on the same dog?<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
     
  14. GSP

    GSP 14 Pointer Staff Member

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    Tonight, Rolly Beers of the LKS came up to me and asked if I was interested in a good dog, then he said he knew someone that had some setter pups.
    I still have not figured out what someone having setter pups had to do with me being interested in a good dog???????
    Go figure!
     
  15. grouseguy

    grouseguy 12 pointer

    GSP, Rolly has been hanging out a lot with us grouse hunters and we may have had an impact on him, maybe he was just trying to testify to a wayward soul. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
     

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