I am the worst quail shot ever in the history of time on the covey rise. I am good at singles, but awful on the big group. Heck more times then not I never shoot cause I don't know which to shoot. I am lucky on Grouse, and I say luck, because it dang sure isn't skill, but I kill most of the pointed birds that even remotely give me a chance. The guys I hunt with say I shoot like I am starving. Woodcock IMO are a joke to kill, however they are not a joke when you sit down to eat one of the nasty little things. Heavy on the garlic.