Discontinued Powders????

Discussion in 'Modern Firearms' started by Travis Thacker, Oct 10, 2021.

  1. Travis Thacker

    Travis Thacker 6 pointer

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    I know Hodgdon bought a bunch of brands in 2018 but word is the Alliant line of ( DOT ) replicated powders Red, Blue, and Green will be discontinued. Also heard Hodgdon Universal might get the boot as well. It would be hard to believe such popular powders in Clays line and color line would get booted.
     
  2. bird whisperer

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    Well that will suck! Talk about kicking people when there down.
     
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  3. JR in KY

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    They have many very similar powders and they have others that work just as well If they do this.

    Just too many types with little difference. Things are too complicated but it's hard to find any of them now.
     
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  4. riverboss

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    I have shot a many pounds of green dot and blue dot, got a full keg of red dot.
     
  5. JGD

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    I would hate to see Universal go. My go to in a 1 oz 16 gauge load.

    John
     
  6. davers

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    Never could figure out why all the "New" powders. What was wrong with the older line of rifle/shotgun/pistol powders?? I've used: IMR-4350, H-4350, H-110, IMR-4198, IMR-4064, WW-748, as well as: Unique, & SR-4759 powders for years & years.
     
  7. Travis Thacker

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    Same thing here Davers, when Winchester discontinued W-571 and the old AA20F1 wads I was very upset. It killed any hope of good 1 oz 20 gauge reloads in the AACF or STS hulls. I know they try to claim that there is not a market in some instances but that's not exactly true. It's usually a machine breaking down that costs to much to justify replacing which was the case for the AACF hulls and of course expensive HDPE plastic costs more then LDPE plastic.
    The newer powders usually replicate older ones but not exact burn rates so one has to send in reloads to get PSI tested and 9 out of 10 times it only takes 1-3 grains powder change to replicate an old load using a new powder but still it's expensive and a PITA.
    Again this is just something I heard so no clue if it's true or not. All I know for sure is that IMR Blue which was meant to replicate Blue Dot is going to get discontinued but I have no cue if actual Blue Dot will get kicked.
     
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  8. davers

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    I was disappointed when Winchester discontinued there 680 powder, I used to reload for my .22 Hornet & .25-20 Win. Winchester's 680 powder always gave me great results, now I use 'Lit-Gun powder which is fine.
     
  9. FOWLER2671

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    I don't think Alliant was bought by Hodgdon? I do believe Hodgdon sells IMR and IMR has discontinued the Blue, green and red.
     
  10. KYBOY

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    I’d hate that I use a lot of red, blue and green dot
     
  11. KYBOY

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    Yea and it was practically brand new… I don’t understand that
     
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  12. Travis Thacker

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    I can't figure it out. The Color Line of powders was meant to replicate the older Blue Dot and Green Dot in burn rate so as to be a substitute. Hodgdon basically distributes for all 3 major powder companies as far as I can understand it.
    Happens every single time. Seems like I might load for 5-6 years using the same powders and then finally decide to gamble on a new powder and the company discontinues it. Back in my youth I had just started to reload and maybe got 5 years into loading shot shells and rifle ammo. Winchester dropped the AACF / compression formed hulls and along with them they dropped the 571 powder and AA20F1 wads. That AA20F1 wad was the only good wad for 1 oz or 1 1/8th oz loads in 2 3/4" inch or 3" inch hulls. The RP-20 and SP-20 wads worked but not as good as the old taper wall specific AA-wads. The factory AA20 was never designed for more then 7/8 oz shot.
     
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  13. KYBOY

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    We’ll look they also dropped two of the most used wads ever. The waa12 and waa12f114. I hate that because one of my slug loads uses the waa12 wad and none of the claybuster clones work because they have an interior rib. Slug and hard card won’t fit without bulging. I’m going through different BPI wads right now looking for a good fit
     
  14. Travis Thacker

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    I did not know they dropped the AA12 and AA12F114 yellow wad. Did Winchester drop the old short RED AA12 or are you talking about the normal AA12 white 1 1/8th oz wad??? The Claybuster line usually works but for Lee drive key slugs that little rib inside the petals and slight size differences does cause problems. I've seen guys trim and shave and do all kinda stuff to make slugs work in the CB Wads.
    For whatever reason CB-wad company decided that people wanted the lite weight 3/4 oz 20 gauge and 7/8 oz wads for 12 gauge or 16 gauge more then they did anything else. They came out with the stupid 3/4 oz 20 gauge wad which is simply a normal AA20 type wad with some plastic raised in the shot cup. I mean come on anyone can add fiber wad into the shot cup and get the same effect. We can't always take plastic away but we can always add a fiber wad or felt under shot cushion to push the load up a tad bit. Claybuster did this with the 16 and 20 gauge wads and acted like it was a great new product.
     

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