Controversial Video of Michigan Coyote Killing

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  1. JasonGoneFishing

    JasonGoneFishing 12 pointer

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    Anyone see this yet? What are your thoughts on this?

    A video of a brutal coyote killing in Michigan’s Gogebic County raises ethical concerns.

    The video opens with a hunter looking at a wounded coyote, which he says he’s shot several times. As the hunter calls in his tracking dogs to finish the job, the coyote lays motionless in the snow with its eyes blinking.
    “It’s a beautiful, beautiful coyote,” the hunter says, as he’s waits for his dogs to come. “This is going to be some live action!”
    The dogs tear at the coyote and eventually strangle it to death. All the while, the hunter behind the camera cheers them on.

    Video Here: http://www.wideopenspaces.com/controversial-video-coyote-killing-michigan/

    Update: http://www.wideopenspaces.com/men-f...n (25%)&utm_campaign=WOS_newsletter_1.21 - MI
     
  2. GrouseAssasin

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    I've hunted all my life and don't mind killing anything but there's no point in making something suffer anymore than it has too. Idiot should have just shot it instead of letting his dogs kill it and then posting it on YouTube for the world to see. Another moron giving hunters a bad name.
     
  3. I have killed a lot of coyotes over the last 30+ years. That is something new to me and I personally would have NO interest in killing a coyote that way. IMO that is NOT a good or accurate portrayal of coyote hunters and their ethics.
     
  4. jdp99

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    I believe in a quick clean kill. This is disturbing to watch.
     
  5. OldEarnhardtFan

    OldEarnhardtFan 10 pointer

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    It is our duty as hunters and trappers to dispatch any animal quickly and ethically. This guy is not a hunter or a trapper......he is the poster boy for anti-hunters everywhere.
     
  6. redrivergar

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    I didn't watch the video but it sounds like shake out season that coon hunters participate in. Don't the dogs usually kill the coon after it falls to the ground? I've never seen it but I understand that's the way it works.
     
  7. redrivergar

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    I stand corrected. Apparently there is no such thing as Shake out season. Must have dreamed that up. I hate to see any animal suffer. That's why I didn't watch the video
     
  8. Dark Cloud

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    That's the way it use to work I don't know about now
     
  9. KYBOB

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    Nope, a clean kill , or a clean miss


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  10. kymailman98

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    I'm not sure what the law is now, but many years ago, there was what coon hunters called a "shakeout" season. I also heard it referred to as training season. Whatever the case, if they could kill a coon they usually did. I'm sure some of the houndsmen on here will sound off on this, but I have found that as a whole, coon hunters are some of the worst lawbreakers out there. Although, some deer hunters will give them a run for their money.
     
  11. redrivergar

    redrivergar 6 pointer

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    My intent was not to bash coon hunters.
     
  12. therookie

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    Someone needs to shoot that guy. I will not watch the video. I am so striclty fair chase that I wont hunt over corn, salt, or any other bait, and I will not trap. The goal should be to put the animal down as quickly as possible. I dont care what kind of varmint it is. That animal deserves respect.
     
  13. wademup

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    I suppose you don't bowhunt then because that's not the most efficient way to put an animal down quickly
     
  14. therookie

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    Not trying to ruffle any feathers and I dont know what me bow hunting has to do with this thread. But yes, I bow hunt. A good, ethical shot in the vitals will kill a deer in seconds. Nothing wrong with that at all. But there is something wrong with the individual who allows his dogs to kill a wounded animal while he stands over it with a gun.
     
  15. sacmarata

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    I dont know the details of Michigans dog chase laws but I'll play devils advocate here and probably ask more questions than offer solutions but here goes.
    If they indeed have a dog chase season, I assume it means the dogs are allowed to kill the coyote. Any time one creature kills another with claw and fang it's gonna be a gruesome sight. So had the dogs caught the coyote before it was shot, the same fight would have likely ensued, except it would have lasted much longer, likely resulting in wounded dogs and a dead coyote.
    I assume to have coyote dogs, the dogs have to be trained to fight a coyote. How do you this? I can't think of an ethical way, other than to allow the dogs to dispatch a wounded animal that is likely to die anyway. I don't agree with it. Not a bit, but if it's legal to take a coyote with a dog, you have to have dogs trained to do so, and it seems that the only way (I can think of at least) is to allow them to take an animal that is about to expire and won't cause much injury.

    The whole thing is kinda messed up assuming in MI it's legal to take coyote with a dog. How do you ethically train a dog to take another predator?

    IMHO the hunter should have dispatched the coyote instead of allowing it to suffer. Maybe my thinking is too modern, but I just think it was uncalled for to allow the dogs to slowly kill an animal that couldnt fight back.
     

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