stargazer
6 pointer
I am a lifelong Kentuckian forced to live in Indiana. I would like to purchase a few more toys but the prices in Indiana are ridiculous. Plus wooden stocks are getting rare. Do I have to live in Kentucky to purchase a gun there?
Buying out-of-state rifles
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carnivore
12 pointer
You must meet a FFL to do the transfer. Its typically $15-$30, no big deal. What part of Indiana are you from and are you likely to purchase near Louisville or Florence ky
stargazer
6 pointer
I was going to stay with my youngest for a few weeks next month. She lives right across the river from Louisville. I was hoping that maybe her husband would be willing to trade me a pistol for my rifle. Or sell the rifle, or trade it for a rifle with a wooden stock. I hate plastic.
Mt Pokt
8 pointer
Long Guns (rifle & shotguns) can be purchased "out of state" in person without issue. Buying online from out of state requires shipping to your resident state FFL.
Hand Guns are a different animal. You cant walk into a gun store not it your resident state, buy one, and take it home with you. Hand guns have to be shipped via FFL - even between private parties. Silly as it might sound, if you're trading out of state pistol, you're supposed to ship it through FFL at both ends.
Hand Guns are a different animal. You cant walk into a gun store not it your resident state, buy one, and take it home with you. Hand guns have to be shipped via FFL - even between private parties. Silly as it might sound, if you're trading out of state pistol, you're supposed to ship it through FFL at both ends.
carnivore
12 pointer
If you do a private sale noone will know unless said firearm is involved in a crime or the buyer is a felon. At that point you can get in trouble for selling the firearm. The $20 ffl transfer is a no brainer, and it protects the seller.
Handguns
Under federal law, anyone who does not have a federal gun dealer license, or other Federal Firearms License (FFL), is generally prohibited from acquiring a handgun directly from a seller or transferor who resides in a different state.3 This means that people generally cannot obtain handguns out of state and then transport them into their state of residence, and cannot otherwise receive a handgun from an out-of-state seller or transferor without the assistance of a licensed dealer in their home state.People may acquire handguns from out-of-state sellers or transferors if the sale or transfer of the weapon is conducted through a licensed dealer in the recipient’s state of residence.4 In other words, a person in one state may buy a handgun online from a licensed or unlicensed seller in another state so long as the handgun is shipped to a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s home state who facilitates the sale. Usually, gun dealers will charge a small fee for providing this service, conducting a background check, and fulfilling other requirements.
One exception to this requirement is when a person inherits a handgun through a will or other inheritance after its owner’s death. In these cases, the person may receive the handgun directly without the involvement of an in-state gun dealer, as long as the person inheriting the handgun complies with any applicable gun laws in his or her own state regarding possession of the weapon.5 Another exception applies when a person obtains a handgun through a temporary loan or rental, like when visiting a firing range in another state, so long as the person uses the gun for lawful sporting purposes.6
Long Guns
Federal law places somewhat looser restrictions on the sale or transfer of long guns like rifles and shotguns across state lines. Under federal law, individuals can lawfully obtain a long gun from a seller or transferor in another state, provided that:- Both parties meet in person to conduct the sale or transfer.
- The sale or transfer is conducted by, or through, a licensed dealer, pursuant to a background check and other requirements.
- The sale, delivery, and receipt of the long gun fully comply with state law in both parties’ states of residence.7
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theprofessor
8 pointer
While you absolutely can buy a long gun out of state, some gun stores don’t know this and won’t even try. I think your larger outlets will handle it properly, but smaller may not.
stargazer
6 pointer
I bought a Savage .270 w/scope for deer season in Kentucky. Indiana doesn't allow rifles for deer season, a shotgun only. So I have a rifle I can't use since I can't deer hunt anymore. So I was going to sell it or trade it for a handgun.
bluegrassDan
6 pointer
- Dec 17, 2008
- 249
I would suggest that you try and sell it in Indiana first. Then, take the cash and buy what you want either online or in state, either way you will have a transfer fee from your local FFL dealer. Buying a handgun in another state can be problematic due to NICS checks not working, delays, denials...which means you have to come back to that store again if and when it goes through. It does not happen often with online checks taking only a few minutes these days, but it can happen. Then, as stated, it has to be shipped to an FFL in your home state for transfer to you. It's stupid, but thems the rules for now. The only way around that is from one private citizen selling to another. If you go that route, do it fast because the good ol ATF and our dipshit in chief are trying to eliminate that possibility and it will likely happen.
Tom Threetoes
10 pointer
You can use a 270 in Indiana on private property only. I use a 30 06 on my place.
You can't legally sell a handgun to a resident of another state as a private sale. Only between residents of the same state.
bluegrassDan
6 pointer
- Dec 17, 2008
- 249
That is true, but how many private citizen to private citizen sales do just that each year? Not saying it is legal, but it's like telling someone you can't drive your car because you moved and did not change your license in the ten days allotted to make the address change. Thats overly simplified of course, and less consequences, but just about as adhered too and probably easier to prove considering there are zero records of the sale.
I would not do it, I have an FFL and abide by all of the rules and regulations prescribed by the ATF on all sales and gunsmithing work so I stay 100% legal and conforming.
I wouldn't do it, either, because I don't know what the buyer might do with it down the road. If I'm the last legal owner and that gun is used by the buyer or someone he might sell it to in a crime, guess who's door is going to get knocked on? Guess who will end up with a big legal bill, at a minimum? For a few hundred dollar sale? Not worth it by a long shot to me.
How would anyone identify the "last legal owner?" A gun could have been sold from one private citizen to another legally in the not too distant past. I've never been into trading guns, but I've known old timers who traded guns like baseball cards.
Additionally, does someone somewhere keep records by serial number of the guns that are purchased now? I thought all records of gun purchases were destroyed after a certain period of time.
You ever wonder how the FBI and ATF trace a gun when it's used in a crime? Anytime that gun has been transferred or bought via an FFL, there is a record of that transaction. They start from that point and keep digging from there. If I bought it new from a dealer, they are doing to know the gun was sold by that dealer. Then they go to the dealer and access his sales records, which leads them to me. Now, let's say that gun was used to commit a murder in Chicago. They are going to want to know how that gun made its way up there. I'd better have a good answer to the question. If my story falls apart, I'm looking at a federal firearms offense. Again, not even close to being worth a few hundred dollars to me. There are plenty of legal in-state buyers to work with, and avoid the problem altogether.
