I have shot/zeroed several Marlins over the years, all good shooters with factory ammo, or handloads. I recently got a CVA Scout in a 444 marlin, with a good recoil pad. It had a Hawk 4x12x40 and it would keep a 3 shot group with all holes touching at 100 yds, using 2 different factory loads that i got with the gun. A buddy shot it and had to have it for hog hunting in Tennesee. He has laid them down with it. Every one of the CVA Scouts I have shot, are tack drivers, hard to beat for the money.