for the first time in 53 years I did not kill a grouse in southern appalachia; nor did I see a grouse....a friend who has hunted grouse as extensively as anyone I have ever known , typically annually killing up to half a hundred by himself, also did not kill a bird. Three friends who are younger and hunt the steep and bad stuff killed one between all of them in many many hours in the woods. Sadly we are at the point of no return. I would not have shot one myself even if the opportunity presented itself. A dramatic management move is required to save what little base may still be out there. For my grandsons sake I would hope the seasons and bag limits in near future are extremely conservative, if open at all.