those names sound familiar. we looked at 2 tracts and leased both but by the info i recieved on here sounds like maybe not such a good idea. oh well i have them for a year now. i can't speak for the tracts you mentioned but the ones we got look ok decent sign, nice people. i have a camera up on one tract now and was going up a week from tomorrow to check it . after that maybe i can tell you a little more. they did tell me on some of the other tracts had a lot of trouble with atv riding.