Just working to much. Haven't been in the woods yet and maybe get my dogs out of the pen once every 2 weeks. I have a younger red setter who is rock solid when he points, but his range is about 10 feet and I thinks he is bird shy because the noise of the bird launcher scares him. He is just very, very soft. We will have to get together and hunt some this winter. There are a few grouse on our lease property.