Donald Trump broke the presidency. It's time to get rid of the job altogether.

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  1. EC

    EC 12 pointer

    Jul 13, 2003
    Louisville, KY.
    Sure...just get rid of America. That's their goal. Time from Drakeshooter's solution...


    Donald Trump broke the presidency. It's time to get rid of the job altogether.
    Tina Dupuy, Opinion contributor Published 7:00 a.m. ET Aug. 10, 2018 | Updated 8:24 a.m. ET Aug. 10, 2018
    Donald Trump is proof that the U.S. presidency is broken and democracy is in peril. It's time to amend the Constitution and abolish the presidency.
    Abolish the POTUS!

    We’ve seen it: the belligerent typo-ridden tweets; the fawning press conferences with autocrats and overlords; the self-described Nazis on parade praising an American president’s name. We have seen it with our own eyes. There is a bloated authoritarian lounging in his bathrobe in a 200-year-old mansion that used to symbolize the principal republic of the world.

    This is a man who openly conspired to cheat with the help of a hostile foreign nation in a federal election. On election night, he came in second place, yet due to a scab of slavery in the Constitution (the electoral college), this usurper has the full power of the most powerful military in history, command of the treasury, the absolute power to pardon and he can unilaterally annihilate millions of people with his command to deploy nuclear weapons. He’s made refugees begging us for mercy into orphans hoping it will deter other asylum seekers — because he can. He’s now poised to put a man on the Supreme Court, Brett Kavanaugh, who believes in supreme leaders (if they’re Republican that is).

    Russia attacked our country; the target was Hillary Clinton and liberal democracy and they hit their mark. If you’re stunned that President Donald Trump is still in office because he’s so horrible and so unpopular and so obviously corrupt — you are not alone — the overwhelming majority agrees with you. Only about 25 percent of eligible voters voted for President Grab ‘Em By The P----. Yet, the majority was apparently powerless to stop him.

    Impeachment won't remove Trump from office
    And I have other bad news. The remedy in our Constitution for a treasonous turncoat who got into the White House on a technicality is impeachment. But guess what? Impeachment has never gotten rid of a bad president in this country. Not ever. Bill Clinton finished his term after being impeached. The threat of impeachment got Nixon to step down, but impeachment as a whole has failed. It’s never lived up to its promise.

    It failed to remove President Andrew Johnson, described by his contemporaries as "the vilest radical and most unscrupulous demagogue in the Union." The main charge against Johnson was that he ignored the authority and will of Congress. It was then thata group of concerned citizens saw a monarchy in the making and drew up a petition titled "Memorial Regarding the Abolition of the Presidency." Their idea was to copy the Swiss Republic and make the executive branch a federal council without veto power. Mid-19th century Americans’ trepidation that an emperor could follow an idealistic revolution was well founded; they’d witnessed that very thing in France with the ascension of Napoleon.

    The petition makes the case that the three branches of government are not equal. “Congress is more dependent on the President than he is on Congress,” reads the petition. “The President has the elements of power; Congress has but words: he can act; Congress can but talk.” The pamphlet printed in 1868 offers that a constitutional monarchy is still a monarchy, and the exorbitant powers of the executive branch are borrowed from monarchs, which make it impossible to hold a president accountable. And if the president is above the law, they argue, he’s an autocrat and not a (small d) democrat.

    Abolish presidency to save democracy
    In 1973, the idea came up again a few weeks after the second inauguration of Richard Nixon, when Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Barbara Tuchman wrote a piece in The New York Times asking “Should We Abolish the Presidency?” Tuchman argued that Congress is at fault for the executive branch becoming too powerful. “Responsibility must be put where it belongs: in the voter. The failure of Congress is a failure of the people.” Eighteen months later Nixon resigned. His successor gave Nixon a blanket pardon, ratifying that he was in fact above the law. Tuchman also touted the Swiss Republic’s use of a council in lieu of a hero-like dad figure.

    But I’m most inspired by Comedy Central’s "The President Show" starring comedian Anthony Atamanuik. With his searing Trump impersonation, Atamanuik is introduced as “the 45th and final president.”

    We can make that happen! My fear isn’t Trump; it’s that the next autocrat is most likely smarter and savvier than Trump. Every partisan from every niche of American politics should be alarmed. We have a branch of government that stinks so bad it’s wafted over the entire nation and its outer territories. The entire world sees it. We’re in trouble. The presidency is broken. Our little democratic experiment is in peril.

    We can amend our Constitution to save the republic. Abolish the presidency! Power to the people! Power to the Congress! Make the co-equal branches of government more equal. Give us a council of boring bureaucrats who will do their job, serve the people and leave after their term ends.

    Because, as our forefathers believed, democracy is worth fighting for — even if you have to fight a mad king for it.
  2. Feedman

    Feedman Cyber-Hunter

    May 28, 2003
    In the basement
    I can't believe what I just read. Wow, what a nut job
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  3. ddwhitetails

    ddwhitetails 10 pointer

    Jul 6, 2014
    One word comes to mind! DUMB!
  4. EC

    EC 12 pointer

    Jul 13, 2003
    Louisville, KY.
    I was thinking they're showing their hand...treason.
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  5. Gforcetrivers

    Gforcetrivers 8 pointer

    Sep 23, 2016
    Article II on its way out, 1st and 2nd amendment on their way out. Not much left after that.
  6. Wildcat

    Wildcat 12 pointer

    Jan 7, 2002
    Ledbetter, Ky.
    That's from USA Today. They are now OPENLY talking about it and pushing the idea as best they can.

    Like it or not a serious civil war IS HERE. It's not a shooting civil war but a civil war.

    The last time the Democrats and their supporters did this and talked like this about a President in office was back in 1860.
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  7. It would take a Constitutional Amendment and if they can get it done — it takes some doing — I say knock yourself out.
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  8. Nock

    Nock 12 pointer

    Sep 9, 2012
    butler co
    I needed a laugh. But there was a pretty good fantasy football team name in there.
  9. riverboss

    riverboss 12 pointer

    Jan 26, 2009
    northern ky
    And these people are breeding!
  10. Larry Risner

    Larry Risner 6 pointer

    Mar 15, 2018
    Berea, kentucky
    You want to give power back to the people, well that's simple enough.
    1. Presidential elections decided by popular vote.
    2. Term Limits on congress.
    3. Justices mandatory retirement at age 70.
    4. National sale tax to replace income tax.
    5. National service for all 18 yr old's for at least 2 years. No exceptions (we can find something for you to do even if you have a bone spur on your foot).
    That way everyone has skin in the game.
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  11. Well you better get started right away on that constitutional amendment to do away with the EC, lmao. Myself and millions more like me will fight you tooth and nail so good luck to you. Doing away with the EC takes the power away from the people in the majority of the states and gives it to a few states with major metropolitan areas. That is the antithesis of putting power in the hands of the People. Methinks the Founders were smarter than you. I don’t mean that as an insult mind you, but they were inspired by God, I truly believe that.
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2018
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  12. Wildcat

    Wildcat 12 pointer

    Jan 7, 2002
    Ledbetter, Ky.

    I agree. Popular vote is nothing more than mob rule. It allows certain states to have total control.
  13. Wildcat

    Wildcat 12 pointer

    Jan 7, 2002
    Ledbetter, Ky.
  14. Marsh CallUser

    Marsh CallUser 12 pointer

    May 20, 2011
    Bowling Green, KY

    You might want to read the Federalist Papers and rethink your position on the popular vote.
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  15. carnivore

    carnivore 12 pointer

    Nov 17, 2007
    California ky
    Reread the rest of his post. The point i believe he is making is when you have a flat sales tax you end up with way more voters making fiscally responsible decisions. The current progressive tax code causes the mob rule. I think his idea may work in regards to taxes, spending, and the budget. BUT the second amendment would still fall, and with it... freedom.

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