If you are into arrowhead hunting /collecting help stop this bill !!!

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  1. deadaim

    deadaim 12 pointer

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    Folks,

    I have had some questions regarding how to find your representative or senator and how to contact them. Here is how to do it:
    1 - Go to www.lrc.state.ky.us/ This will get you to the Kentucky Legislature home page. You could also just search for Kentucky Legislature.
    2 -On the left side of the homepage you will find "Who is my legislator? Click on that heading.
    3. The next page that comes up click on "By County"
    4 - Then just go to your county and you will have both your representatives (Probably more than one) and your senator. Click on them and that will get you to their email and phone numbers.

    To find the bill - HB 379 - go to the following; www.lrc.ky.gov/record/11RS/HB379.htm This will give you the brief version of the Bill - not enough to see how the Bill is really sticking it to us. Click on the blue HB 379 to get the full version of the Bill - only three pages long.

    PLEASE GET THE BALL ROLLING !!!

    Charlie


    On Feb 13, 2011, at 3:46 PM, charlie wagers wrote:



    FOLKS,

    THIS IS URGENT - TERRIBLE NEWS !!!! WHILE WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSING ON REGGIE MEEKS BILLS - THE ANTI-COLLECTING BUNCH HAVE PULLED A FLANKING MOVE ON US. LESLIE COMBS, (D) FROM PIKE COUNTY, HAS PRESENTED LEGISLATION THAT IS AS BAD FOR COLLECTORS AS IT GETS !!!

    HB 379 SAYS "It is hereby declared to be public policy of the Commonwealth to preserve archaeological sites and archaeological resources for pubic benefit and to limit exploration, excavation and collection of such matters to qualified persons and educational institutions possessing the requisite skills and purpose to add to the general store knowledge concerning history, archaeology and anthropology".

    The bill further defines"Archaeological resource" as "any material remains of past human life...... and is at least fifty (50) years of age". YEP - you read it right 50 years old!!!!

    THIS BILL WILL REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE A PERMIT FROM UK TO SURFACE HUNT!!!!! ONCE YOU HAVE THAT PERMIT (FAT CHANCE OF GETTING ONE) YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE LANDOWNER. They have pulled a sneaky in their writing of this bill. At first glance, it appears one needs only written permission and then you can surface hunt. Down the bill just a bit, under permit requirements, they say "exploration or excavation of any archaeological sites......" so they hit surface hunting in the permit requirement.


    This Bill is already in committee - The House Education Committee and Leslie Combs is on that committee so you can bet it will get out of committee and onto the floor of the House for a vote.

    IF YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT RELICS IN KENTUCKY - THIS BILL HAS TO BE STOPPED!!!!! GET THE WORD OUT TO YOUR REPRESENTATIVES AND STATE SENATORS FAST!!!!

    You will be hearing more from me in how to do this but we have all been here before so get the ball rolling. We don't have long to take action!!!

    Charlie


    Dear Representative Napier,

    It looks like I need to be contacting you about another House Bill - HB 379 - which is an attack on the rights of private land owners. HB 379 will essentially make it illegal for anyone to pick up an arrowhead or other "relic" fifty years old or older. Representative Combs has been pretty sneaky in her wording and organization of this legislation. In Section 3 (2), she talks about no one being permitted to collect artifacts without written permission. This is essentially a meaningless section as in Section 4 (2), applies the permit requirement to any archaeological site; hence making it illegal to pick up anything fifty years old or older. I am a sixty-three year old farmer / landowner from Madison County. Under Rep. Combs bill, I can't pick up one of my old toys which I lost as a child on my own farm. I would have to have a permit from UK to dig up my family's old ice house to find some old bottles without first getting permission from UK AND there is nothing to say UK has to give me that permit. even though it is my own farm This is simply a violation of individual property owner's rights. Please oppose HB 379.

    As always, thank you for your continued support maintaining the rights of hard working Kentuckians!!!

    Monty R. Pennington
    Penbrandt Prehistoric Artifacts
    http://www.penbrandt.com
     
  2. Redlined

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    Done. Just wrote mine to let him know I don't approve of attempts to make outlaws out of ordinary Joe's with hobbies like arrow-head hunting and metal detecting or the attempt to whizz all over private property owner's backs.....
     
  3. Cornmonkey

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    She is my stinkin rep. and no i did not vote for her. Don't matter any way but i will call and e mail my displeasure about this. I have been surface collecting for years. This is a dirty sneaky attack on private property rights.
     
  4. Colorado_Hunter

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    So what happens to all the people who already have large rock collections?
     
  5. BadDuck

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    Just one more step in the wrong direction.
     
  6. huntr467

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    Surrender those with your guns.
     
  7. raktrakr

    raktrakr Cyber-Hunter

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    Or pay a relic tax
     
  8. Does this mean I'll have to stop grave robbing?
     
  9. BadDuck

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    Are the grave sites more than 50 years old?
     
  10. Booney

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    Hey I'm not trying to hijack this thread but here is a phone number and and another bill:
    HJR 10 to end furloughs is been filed before the 2011 session of the General Assembly. This resolution would end furloughs for the 2010-2012 biennium. Call your legislators and ask that they support HJR 10. State employees have already sacrificed 3 days of pay. State revenues are increasing. It is no longer justified to call on state employees to make further sacrifices. Call the message center number 1-800-372-7181…

    You can also look this up at http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/11RS/HJ10.htm
     
  11. rys40

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    I emailed Julian Carroll yesterday about this, and this is the email that I got from him personally this afternoon regarding this.



    I have now read the bill in full and find there is no prohibition by the land owner from exploring their own property. There is some confusion in the bill that suggests that the Department may dedicate a particular site, yet there is a provision that requires the Department to enter into an agreement with the land owner for such purpose. I can understand your concern in that it has a preamble which suggests the conclusion which you have made. However, private land cannot be taken without due process and any such provision would be illegal if it failed to include the same.



    I could easily be against the bill because of the confusion which I have noted above. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.



    Sincerely,



    Julian Carroll
     
  12. jeff

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    You will have to put the all back where you got them, just like you had never been there. By doing this lawbreakers can come and pick them up and add them to their collections.
     
  13. slickhead slayer

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    Thanks for the heads up. I called my legislator and told him NOT to support HJR 10. Our state budget is not balanced, and everything needs to be cut. 3 days sacrafice isnt that big of a deal for the benefits that state workers get.
     
  14. ril7572

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    As a business owner, I would have been glad to loose only 3 days pay a month for the past 2 years.
     
  15. buckfever

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    I suppose you are a state worker, so I can understand why you want to protect your job security and benefits, but I oppose HJR 10, because I'm worried that our state gov't is already teetering on the verge of insolvency largely because our past lawmakers gave sweetheart deals and outrageous benefits to state employees, all in exchange for votes to keep those politicians in office. My children will be responsible for paying off those debts, and I don't think that's fair.

    In fact, I wish our state government shaved off about 1/3 to 1/2 of the current work force.
     
  16. deadaim

    deadaim 12 pointer

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    Thanks for your support.......................
     
  17. deadaim

    deadaim 12 pointer

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    Just received this e mail :

     
  18. deertalker

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    ^^THIS^^ and thanks for the heads up!
     
  19. Redlined

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    Hey DA, that's great news. Glad to hear the regular Joe's still have a voice. You been out looking any yet? We hit a few spots two weekends ago, came away with some brokes and one rough blade....
     
  20. deadaim

    deadaim 12 pointer

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    Not yet I have been fixing up a boat I picked up this winter to get ready to do some fishing. I need to get out and look some after all this rain. I just don't have many places to look anymore that aren't picked to death.
     

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