Kerry Sets a Record: 14 Flip-Flops in One Speech

[mike.one]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/20/153604.shtml
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[EC]

This is incredible...this man is seriously unstable. Maybe that wench he's married to has driven him crazy. She would me!

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[Bowcrazy]

From this month's issue of Field and Stream.

I really loved the comic section best, a.k.a. John Kerry Interview and the vote your sport information on page 96-97.... Kerry - "the NRA has a silly kind of methodology that doesn't make sense"..........."I just think the Brady bill is reasonable.......
His recollections on hunting are great too- F and S -What's the biggest deer you ever killed? Kerry - Oh, I don't know. Probably an 8-point, something like that. Nothing terribly big. But I once had an incredible encounter with the most enormous buck- I don't know, 16 points or something. It was huge. And I failed to pull the trigger at the right moment. I was hunting down in Massachusetts, on the Cape."

Kerry on dove hunting to the Washington Post on June 1, 2003, " You clean them. Let them hang...You might eat it at a picnic, cold roasted."

And his all time classic on deer hunting to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, July 4, 2004. " I go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach. I track and move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart them. You know, kind of play the wind. That's hunting."

Looks like this guy is trying to track and move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart the sportsmen voter. You know, kind of play the wind. That's Kerry politics.



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[EC]

If this doesn't prove this guy is a pathelogical liar, nothing does...

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[EC]

Bowcrazy, have you got a link to this specific F&S article?

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[EC]

Nevermind...I have this issue. I didn't realize I got my Oct F&S

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[grouseguy]

First off, let me say this...I am not particularly enthusiastic about Kerry, although I will be voting for him. It is a shame that Kerry is the best the D's could come up with given they had a free pass into the WhiteHouse with Bush's abysmmal handling of the economy and his "misdirected" war on terror.

With that said, I find it quite ironic that a Bush supporter would question Kerry's integrity (not that it may not be deserved) given this administrations own proven shortcomings in this area. At least the presidential challenger didn't take us into a preemptive war that has cost 1,000+ US lives, and counting, all the while wasting time and resources from the true objective of avenging the unprovoked attack of 9-11 based on "flawed intelligence" or "bald faced lies", depending on your perspective.

[EC]

You'd rather fight these bastards in Kentucky?

Here's a "slice" of the newspaper interview...it's even more incredible than what was posted..

"Asked in the July 4 interview about his favorite kind of hunting, Kerry said, "I'd probably say deer . . . because it's tough, depending on where you are."

"You don't bow hunt, though?" he was asked by a Journal Sentinel reporter.

"I don't bow hunt. <b>I shotgun-pellet.</b> Go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel. Crawl around on my stomach," said Kerry, who was completing a bus tour of Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa that included a much-photographed round of trap-shooting.

"You don't sit up in a deer stand?" Kerry was asked.

"No. I do not. I track and move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart them," Kerry said. "You know, you kind of play the wind. . . . That's hunting."
http://www.jsonline.com/news/nat/sep04/260116.asp


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[KYCatBirdHunter]

Don't forget the 900+ lives lost since the "end of combat" in Iraq. Mis-informed and mis-directed war is blood on the hands of the administration. No matter what the reasoning behind it people, war sucks. It's not a good thing, and there's no reason to linger in a war zone.

The land belongs to no one, and is therefore borrowed by all.

[EC]

We lost that many guys the days before D-Day preparing for the invasion. We lost over 6,000 in the invasion itself. Make you feel better?

I can't believe anyone would vote for this guy and would vote for him only because he's a Democrat. Guess Hitler would get some votes too if he were registered Democrat. I don't vote for the party, I vote for the country--and for the record, I'm a lifelong registered Democrat.

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[EC]

Credibility? I've not seen anything creditable about Kerry...if you believe the statements he made in this thread does not demonstrate his lack of credibility, then I would guess there's a lot more people out there hunting deer with bird shot! Instead of admitting he knows nothing about hunting, he conjures up some riduculous stories (giant 16 point bucks, hunting with bird shot,crawling around, "playing around", etc) which is sound evidence he'll say anything he can to garner votes and hasn't a clue on the subject matter--in other words, he knows as much about hunting as my daughter's pet gold fish.

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[Multidigits]

GG--Against my better judgement, I'm going to respond to your post and then let you have the last word. I don't get mad over politics so don't hold back. I know you have to be frustrated with the way things are gong.

"I'm suprised that you won't admit to any shortcomings when he has made such an obvious mess out of our economy,"

He didn't cause the downturn in the economy(9-11), and it's now in fairly good shape. Look at the facts, not the lies from your candidate. Polls show that a large precent of those asked feel they are in better shape financially then they were under Clinton. That's called inprovement. More money to spend. More people working now then under Clinton. Those are facts, not les. Look at the facts.

".....our foreign policy...." is in good shape. Our friends love us, our enemies hate us. What more can you ask for. Under Clinton, gore or god forbid Kerry, we'd be sucking up to terroists and murders. American don't want that, and the polls will show it come Nov.

"and his administration's gross ineptitude in handling the so-called "war on terror", which has turned out to be nothing more than a personal vendetta,"

The world as a whole is a better place with the thugs out of power. What's happening now is nothing more than a pimple on one's ass. they hurt a little, but cause no real damage. the hemroid is gone, and things are improving greatly everyday. What the liberal media shows is only the doom and gloom, never the successes that are happening every day also. Again, testiment is with the military. You'd think that if the President was mishandling the war and it's aftermath that he'd have little support from this group most directly affected. Not so, and the polls will reflect the facts once more.

"that also has the fringe benefit of lining the pockets of his most loyal campaign contributors"

Post the evidence that wasn't fabricated by Dan rather or some other liar and we'll debate those individually. You know there is none, as well as I do.

"IMHO, there is a legitimate reason why W is portrayed as a fool...its because he qualifies as one"

In my opinion, it's un-American to call our President a fool during times of war, much less at any other time. Can you cite specifics as to why he qualifies as a fool?

"The ONLY thing he brings to the ticket is "electability", which the more intelligent and "evil" members of his administration don't have. Cheney couldn't get elected as dog catcher on his own credentials, and Hell, Ashcroft was beaten handily by a dead guy in his last run for public office"

Seems to be in error. Cheney was elected as VP and is soon to be a two termer.

"Neither of us are supporting a candidate that we can be proud of."

Again, that's your excuse, not mine. I'm proud to be a supporter of the Republican party and GB. I like being on the winning side also.....that's a good thing.

"Actually, neither of these two are "fit" to be President,"

Split milk.....you still looking for hanging chads in florida????

"but no one really worth their salt would even consider running in such a corrupted system as we have today"

Good thing that your not right. Somebody has to step up, and the majority are glad that he has and will.

"The special interests, including the NRA, has taken over national politics and we are left to choose between which "empty shirt" is the least offensive"

If you'll check, the NRA has not officially endorsed a candidate at this time. I think it's obvious that they will and would never support one that has voted FOR every anti-gun or anti-hunting bill that's come before him. Thank God for the NRA every time you shoulder your shotgun or rifle.


Size does matter!

[mike.one]

"I am still of the belief that if Kerry will simply quit playing politics with W and hammer on his exhibited incompetence for the next 6 weeks, the anti-Republican base will be energized to the point of defeating W easily."

It's good to have something to hold on to.

I am of the opinion that if Kerry did not have someone to "hammer on", and the mainstream media to act as his hammer; that if he had to energizea "pro-something" (anything) base from a positive position, he would never have made it into the running in the first place!


"If 'ifs' and 'buts' was candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas!"

[grouseguy]

Mike,

Honestly, I don't disagree with anything you posted. My vote in 2004 is pure anti-W, and if Kerry is elected it will be because of the anti-W sentiment. I do believe that Kerry will be the better President, but that's only because W has set the bar so low.

No BS or partisan rants, just my straight opinion...I truly feel that W is the worst President in my lifetime (44 years) and will vote accordingly.

[buckdroppings]

grouseguy,

I don't understand how a person can vote based on "anybody but Bush". That is frightening! I don't like things W has done, but Kerry gives us no reason to vote for him. As Bush said "at least you know where he stands.

Did Bush not give us the whole story for going into Iraq? Probably not, but most Americans wanted Hussein gone. We were tired of hearing about him and dealing with him every day on the news. Personnally, I would of invaded Iraq just because it was easy and we needed a place to run our war on terror from and Iraq is prime location.

My main reason not to vote for Kerry is Iraq. I have seen the beheading videos. Those people have a hate for us that we have never seen. I don't think Kerry has the gut to stand up to these people. I also believe that because of opposition politcal pressure from the other side, that Bush has had to lay off on the offense in Iraq. Dems made it a political issue when it shouldn't have been. The politics our military is being pulled through is what is causing many of those 1000 deaths. Not enough money, not enough troops, not enough controll. We don't need the rest of the world to help us. We are the staple of democracy, and we are under attack. The full force of America should be brought down on these people and wipe the problems out.

Our economy is just as good as it was 10 years ago. Is there room for improvement? Sure. But the President can't make that happen whether he is Republican or Democrat. The issue to be dealt with in this election is defeating those who hate us and declared war on us. I hate to tell you gg but this didn't pop up just because W took office. These people declared war on us 35 years ago and we have been ignoring the losses in the battles all that time. Look at all the "policing" actions we have been involved in over the years. They are all part of the larger war we have been fighting, it's just now we are calling it a war.

That aside I have a correction on your polls theory. Bush does have the majority of votes in this country not Kerry. So much so that many predict that the exact opposite will happen from 2000. Kerry gets the electorial and Bush gets the popular vote.

[Bowcrazy]

GG and Multi, I love you both but you make my head hurt sometimes.

GG - the "preemptive war" has cost us over 4,000 lives and George Bush did not take us into it, Osama Bin Laden did.

[mike.one]

GG,

I'm not into partisan rants or BS and I appreciate that you seem a well respected and thoughtful fellow around here. That is partly why your statements floor me. Most of the people I know who take your position are more or less parrots. I'm not being rude but they don't think for themselves. It's not that they can't, it's that they won't. Too set in their ways or angry over something. But generally unresponsive to logic and unwilling to face the facts.

With all due respect, Multi has represented my take on things fairly well. GW is a good man, doing a good job. Kerry as a candidate seems hardly worth the dignity of a response.

But we both love to hunt, and I'd break bread with you over a fire, my friend.

Mike

"If 'ifs' and 'buts' was candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas!"

[Multidigits]

Actually, I think my politics mirror GG's to a tee. He'll never vote for any Republican, and I'll never vote for a Democrat. Most important issue for me is gun control. Economic issues bore me. One party or the other don't really make much difference in what happens to our economy. swings occur and are natural. Other issues are equally important, and mean different things to different people. Overall, I think as a whole, Republicans are more hunter friendly than are Deomocrats and that's my stance and I'm sticking to it.

Size does matter!

[DUOGLIDE]

multi
finally a topic we can agree on. coming from a military background i wouldnt vote for kerry if he was the only one running for election. and it will be a cold day before i give up my guns

THE LESS I SPEAK THE MORE I HEAR

[grouseguy]

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<br />GG,

I'm not into partisan rants or BS and I appreciate that you seem a well respected and thoughtful fellow around here. That is partly why your statements floor me. Most of the people I know who take your position are more or less parrots. I'm not being rude but they don't think for themselves. It's not that they can't, it's that they won't. Too set in their ways or angry over something. But generally unresponsive to logic and unwilling to face the facts.

With all due respect, Multi has represented my take on things fairly well. GW is a good man, doing a good job. Kerry as a candidate seems hardly worth the dignity of a response.

But we both love to hunt, and I'd break bread with you over a fire, my friend.

Mike
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No problem Mike...actually when my friends and I are together, we have a hard time understanding the conservative thought process and basically come to the conclusion that most conservatives are sheep that blindly follow an outdated doctrine...unable or unwilling to think for themselves. So I guess its only natural that you would feel the same about liberals. Multi and I have this ongoing debate that remains "mostly" friendly, but its obvious that different people will see the same set of events differently when viewed through their own personal lens and filtered by their own experiences and beliefs.

Rest assured that I have considered the candidates and issues, including analyzing the differences between each one's words and deeds, relative to my own personal experiences and beliefs. IMHO, W completely fails the "smell" test and I have little respect for the man, his party, his associates, or his failed ideologies.

Mike, I rarely take political debates personally and actually enjoy a good political debate. I am in Lexington/Nicholasville one or two nights a week on business and often looking for something to pass the time. If you would like to meet over a cold barley pop one evening, I'd be more than happy to discuss our differences of opinion, but I bet we have much more in common than we have differences.

Mark Rogers
Banker/Philosopher[8D]

[mike.one]

Mark,

I bet you're right. And I generally see commonalities as more important than differences. Let me know sometime, or call my cell. (859.361.0050) A cold brew and a chat is always welcome. Maybe I can help you see the error of your ways!

Mike Hamilton
Bank Attorney/Philosopher[8D]

[Bowcrazy]

Good luck Mike

[mike.one]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by squirrelgravy</i>
<br />Given your occupations, you could probably right that off as a business meeting!!!
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Probably??!

[Clint Daniels]

? WERE not the un violations enough to go to war. How about the fact that he killed thousands of his own people with weapons of mass destruction. What makes you think that he didn't have time to get them out of the country (SYRIA)! What exactly is a reason for you guys to go to war.

To hunt, provide for my family, and serve my Lord and savoir Jesus Christ.