Michelle Obama's Economic Stimulus Plan

[CanisMajor]

http://garydudley.blogspot.com/2009/10/michelle-obamas-economic-stimulus-plan.html

It seems the first lady Michelle Obama has her own plan for stimulating the economy. Mrs. Obama has created an additional 21 jobs within the Office of the First Lady. Previous First Ladies, except Hilary Clinton, employed only 1 assistant. Mrs. Obama has been able to increase that by over 2000%. Maybe she should win a Nobel prize for putting so many people to work!

As reported by Dr. Paul L. Williams:

"If you're one of the tens of millions of Americans facing certain destitution, earning less than subsistence wages stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart or serving up McDonald cheeseburgers, prepare to scream and then come to realize that the benefit package for these servants of Ms Michelle are the same as members of the national security and defense departments and the bill for these assorted lackeys is paid by YOU, John Q. Public:

Michele Obama's personal staff:

1. $172,200 - Sher, Susan (Chief Of Staff)
2. $140,000 - Frye, Jocelyn C. (Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Policy And Projects For The First Lady)
3. $113,000 - Rogers, Desiree G. (Special Assistant to the President and White House Social Secretary for Mrs. Obama)
4. $102,000 - Johnston, Camille Y. (Special Assistant to the President and Director of Communications for the First Lady)
5. $100,000 - Winter, Melissa E. (Special Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
6. $90,000 - Medina , David S. (Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
7. $84,000 - Lel yveld, Catherine M. (Director and Press Secretary to the First Lady)
8. $75,000 - Starkey, Frances M. (Director of Scheduling and Advance for the First Lady)
9. $70,000 - Sanders, Trooper (Deputy Director of Policy and Projects for the First Lady)
10. $65,000 - Burnough, Erinn J. (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
11. $64,000 - Reinstein, Joseph B. (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
12. $62,000 - Goodman, Jennifer R. (Deputy Director of Scheduling and Events Coordinator For The First Lady)
13. $60,000 - Fitts, Alan O. (Deputy Director of Advance and Trip Director for the First Lady)
14. $57,500 - Lewis, Dana M. (Special Assistant and Personal Aide to the First Lady)
15. $52,500 - Mustaphi, Semonti M. (Associate Director and Deputy Press Secretary To The First Lady)
16. $50,000 - Jarvis, Kristen E. (Special Assistant for Scheduling and Traveling Aide To The First Lady)
17. $45,000 - Lechtenberg, Tyler A. (Associate Director of Correspondence For The First Lady)
18. $43,000 - Tubman, Samanth a (Deputy Associate Director, Social Office)
19. $40,000 - Boswell, Joseph J. (Executive Assistant to the Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
20. $36,000 - Armbruster, Sally M. (Staff Assistant to the Social Secretary)
21. $35,000 - Bookey, Natalie (Staff Assistant)
22. $35,000 - Jackson, Deilia A. (Deputy Associate Director of Correspondence for the First Lady)

Total = $1,591,200 in annual salaries "

(Paid by citizens of the United States of course. No wonder dozens of washed up Hollywood actors pledged to serve the Obama's.)

With such wise and frugal leaders as Mrs. Obama and her husband in power, the national economy should rebound quickly. All we have to do is wait for the government to solve all of our problems!

[grouser68]

Will this place ever change? I leave for 3 weeks and the first thing I find myself doing is having to throw fact into the right wing fiction...GEEZ!:rolleyes:



http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/



The combined annual salaries for the 22 staffers we can specifically identify as working for Michelle Obama come to $1.6 million. For the 18 we could identify as working for Laura Bush in 2008, the total is $1.4 million.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp

In fact,according to Anita McBride, Laura Bush's former Chief of Staff, Mrs. Bush had between 24 and 26 staffers working for her by the end of her husbands second term in office.It's therefore fair to say the size of Michelle Obama's staff is not "unprecedented" but rather on par with her immediate predecessors.

[aceoky]

$1.6 million -
$1.4 million.
___________

$.2 MILLION

Not real sure what your point was??????

Actually you confirmed the facts that YOU called "fiction" (the proof is in bold btw from YOUR own quote)

I leave for 3 weeks and the first thing I find myself doing is having to throw fact into the right wing fiction.

Total = $1,591,200 in annual salaries "


Well, your "proof" said $1.6 Million close "enough" for most reasonable folks........ :D

Also Snopes is NOT "proof" it is an OPINION......quite obviously a liberal one at that...... :D

BTW how was your three weeks?

[CanisMajor]

"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions . . . . Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful good society’ which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to mean ‘more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.’ Julius was always an ambitious villain, but he is only one man."

Roman philosopher and statesman Marcus Tullius Cicero when lamenting Julius Caesar’s rise to dictator.

[grouser68]

$1.6 million -
$1.4 million.
___________

$.2 MILLION

Not real sure what your point was??????

Actually you confirmed the facts that YOU called "fiction" (the proof is in bold btw from YOUR own quote





Well, your "proof" said $1.6 Million close "enough" for most reasonable folks........ :D

BTW how was your three weeks?
I knew I could count on you to sound off Ace. My point is this, look at the original post, does it not say that the other first ladies had only one staffer? I think it does.........THATS MY POINT! Whats yours?

They were three weeks of 18-20 hour days in the rain, cold, and wind..........but I would'nt have it any other way!

[aceoky]

Thanks for asking MY point is Mrs. Obama is spending MORE $$ (by the tune of > $.2 MILLION) , now maybe that's chump change to you (or to her) but considering our current economic state (compared to Bush's time) :D that's substantial in my view.

I'm curious WHY that's not substantial to you?????;)

[aceoky]

"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions . . . . Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful good society’ which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to mean ‘more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.’ Julius was always an ambitious villain, but he is only one man."

Roman philosopher and statesman Marcus Tullius Cicero when lamenting Julius Caesar’s rise to dictator.

GREAT POST!

IMHO, that's a major problem in the USA today, too many who vote have NO clue about history and what destroyed ONCE prosperous Nations ........ (and even Empires)....

[grouser68]

Thanks for asking MY point is Mrs. Obama is spending MORE $$ (by the tune of > $.2 MILLION) , now maybe that's chump change to you (or to her) but considering our current economic state (compared to Bush's time) :D that's substantial in my view.

I'm curious WHY that's not substantial to you?????;)Your just wanting to argue Ace, I don't want to right now. But I will answer your question if you will answer one for me? To your question..........I call it cost of living! BTW, I also got a raise, 3.4 percent I hope your not too upset about the military raise. My question to you is...............Why do you question me, want to argue with me, and keep up the same old stuff when right before your eyes you have just been lied to by CM, yet you don't question him at all?

CM posted that all other first ladies except Hillary had only one staffer. I proved that wrong, why do you not question him about falsifying?

[aceoky]

I don't have any problem with the Military getting a cost of living RAISE (they've earned that), WHAT has Mrs done to EARN more staff? (or any staff for that matter?)

TO your point you're using Mrs Bush's staff toward the END of the second term , NOT the beginning of GW first term, wasn't going to mention that , but since YOU have brought this up and CLAIM I'm just wanting to argue (with you no less), it needs to be said....

Truth be told, the point here is, while this GREAT country of ours is going down the toilet, you seem to be oblivious.......(but only when Dems are IN the WH) When GW was in you did your fair share of poking on here, I don't think you'll find me arguing "then" either.......NOW I've earned the right to dish it back out .....

Seems you're much better at "dishing it out" than taking it, when it's YOUR party being dissed!

There is your answer take it or leave it......

I knew I could count on you to sound off Ace

Your just wanting to argue Ace,

Now exactly WHOM here is "just wanting to argue", show me where I called you "sounding off" or wanting to argue? I asked simple questions relative to the subject based on YOUR own words (posted for all to see)

you have just been lied to by CM,

No, actually it would appear he was quoting Gary Dudley.....

[grouser68]

I don't have any problem with the Military getting a cost of living RAISE (they've earned that), WHAT has Mrs done to EARN more staff? (or any staff for that matter?)

TO your point you're using Mrs Bush's staff toward the END of the second term , NOT the beginning of GW first term, wasn't going to mention that , but since YOU have brought this up and CLAIM I'm just wanting to argue (with you no less), it needs to be said....

Truth be told, the point here is, while this GREAT country of ours is going down the toilet, you seem to be oblivious.......(but only when Dems are IN the WH) When GW was in you did your fair share of poking on here, I don't think you'll find me arguing "then" either.......NOW I've earned the right to dish it back out .....

Seems you're much better at "dishing it out" than taking it, when it's YOUR party being dissed!

There is your answer take it or leave it......Ranting with no answer, right on par Ace!;)

So, you would rather just banter and argue with someone that does'nt hold your same political views than to take one of your own to the mat when he blatantly lies? Yup, your true to your party, keep up the good work!

[aceoky]

No "rant" here, just because you don't like the answer isn't the same as No answer........

Again he was quoting someone (and he posted the link) I believe you owe CM an apology!

MY party......please inform me of "this party of mine".....

I spoke out loudly (and plainly) about many things Bush's did, (including the Patriot Act) unlike "some here", MY loyalty goes far beyond party lines, and is more about the future of OUR country than which idiot happens to be "in power" today.....

I loath what is happening to this country, I don't blame any one party either Wide Open Borders don't happen over time because as we all know both major parties were in fact in power while this took place......along with many other things that should not be allowed.....

However to this point (and it's been a short tenure for certain) NO one has done more harm in such a short time as Obama has........to this country, I don't know which is worse, that fact or the fact so many still seem to not wish to admit it......

[grouser68]

No "rant" here, just because you don't like the answer isn't the same as No answer........

Again he was quoting someone (and he posted the link) I believe you owe CM an apology!

MY party......please inform me of "this party of mine".....

I spoke out loudly (and plainly) about many things Bush's did, (including the Patriot Act) unlike "some here", MY loyalty goes far beyond party lines, and is more about the future of OUR country than which idiot happens to be "in power" today.....

I loath what is happening to this country, I don't blame any one party either Wide Open Borders don't happen over time because as we all know both major parties were in fact in power while this took place......along with many other things that should not be allowed.....

However to this point (and it's been a short tenure for certain) NO one has done more harm in such a short time as Obama has........to this country, I don't know which is worse, that fact or the fact so many still seem to not wish to admit it......Back er up hoss.First off.YOU don't tell me whom to apologize too! Secondly, he made a post, he put it up there, he sticks by it! It's a lie, and I proved that. You should maybe learn a few manners yourself before you try to strong arm others!? In my opinion, CM owes us all an apology.Again, your ranting Ace.So, in all seriousness, you really do believe that if a Republican tells a lie it's all good? And if a Democrat questions that lie, and proves him wrong he should just be dismissed? Wow Ace, I would love to say your one in a million, but in reality, your probably 50 million of 50 million at least.

[CanisMajor]

Fact Check: I ain't no Republican. Now, carry on...

[grouser68]

Fact Check: I ain't no Republican. Now, carry on...Maybe a quick fact check before you created this thread would have been better........just a suggestion.

[aceoky]

Secondly, he made a post, he put it up there, he sticks by it! It's a lie, and I proved that

YOU "back 'er up" there Grouser68!

HE posted a quote (with the link) from someone else "I" pointed that out and you STILL call the member a liar (not the original author of the quote)....real class act there buddy.

I've shown several of YOUR quotes to be false, does that make YOU a "liar"??????
NO IMO it does not, we expect things to be true when published, sadly that's often not the case (or Presidential speeches, and many other things are lacking in real truth).

YOU right here made a statement AS FACT that "Medicare would NOT be touched", that "ONLY Medicare Advantage", that WAS TOTALLY FALSE......YOU were going on what YOUR PARTY had falsely stated, again does that make YOU the liar OR does it in fact make those YOU Quoted liars?

From a news report Dated July 02, 2009 (long before YOU stated "Medicare IS safe and will not be cut")

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration said Wednesday that it plans to cut Medicare payments for imaging services and specialists,

http://http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124646885862181139.html

But we ALL KNOW that's not the point, the fact that Hillary was the FIRST one to have such a huge staff (BTW she is in YOUR party)....changes NONE of the other facts in his post, despite YOUR SPIN (which is quite obvious and insulting) of the entire post your sources CLAIM (he posted a quote off the net, same as YOU did) Mrs. Obama wasn't the first, that Hillary was......don't know IF that's even true, but no one is calling you a liar either.

You went on to PROVE that Mrs Obama has already been spending $.2 MILLION MORE than Laura Bush was 8 YEARS into her time in the White House!

Now I don't think you're "bad at math" so tell us all HOW exactly is spending MORE in 8 MONTHS "better" than spending LESS in 8 YEARS???????

Then you claim "I" just want to argue and I'm spouting off, THEN you make a false statement (as fact) that I'm somehow "ranting" but again show no proof!

Not too long ago you asked for proof (and at the very least implied I had none) when I posted FAR more than enough proof you disappeared from here for three weeks, yet at NO time did I (or anyone else that I recall) come out and flat out call you a liar....:rolleyes:

Yet (and has NOTHING to do with the facts of what Mrs. Obama IS spending on too many "aids" in tougher economic times ) when another member here posts what IS being spent your "proof" confirms exactly what was claimed on the $$$ amounts!

Yes you TRIED to change the subject to "well she wasn't the first, another Democrat was" then you have the outright audacity to talk about others and false "rants"..about "towing the Party line" and so on...


IMHO YOU sir have NO right to talk about anyone else on here.........

You ask for answers , you get honest answers then ignore them totally, claiming there were no answers, (because you didn't like what answers you got ) take ONE SMALL sentence from a post (quoted no less) and TRY to spin it away, even when (according to YOUR source posted) YOUR PARTY has 2/3 of the part here (Hillary and Obama- 2 Laura Bush= 1) and talk about "towing party lines" and other such utter BS!:rolleyes:

MOST here realize the point WAS NOT about whether Mrs. Obama was the "very first" First Lady to have more than one assistant, that was NEVER the real issue; it was YOU who "decided that would the issue".... and what's worse you chose to start out by calling the other member "a liar" over one single line (quoted)......:eek:

It doesn't seem to bother you at all, that YOUR C&C (from YOUR PARTY) goes around apologizing for the work YOU have devoted YOUR life to doing..bowing to an Arab King..:eek:

Just as it doesn't seem to bother you that it's YOUR PARTY (Clinton to be specific) who dismantled our military, closed bases and at a time when the USA had THE strongest military in the world, changed that at YOUR expense (and all of ours).....

Still YOU would have us all believing you're "oblivious" to these facts and yet spent time to "prove one line in a long quote was false".........:rolleyes:

Maybe (just perhaps) you should read things over and while looking for a "rant" look no further than your own keyboard....

[aceoky]

Grouser,

HERE is your first post ( I have underlined what you added via edit AFTER I asked what you were saying)....


Will this place ever change? I leave for 3 weeks and the first thing I find myself doing is having to throw fact into the right wing fiction...GEEZ!:rolleyes:



http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/



The combined annual salaries for the 22 staffers we can specifically identify as working for Michelle Obama come to $1.6 million. For the 18 we could identify as working for Laura Bush in 2008, the total is $1.4 million.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp

In fact,according to Anita McBride, Laura Bush's former Chief of Staff, Mrs. Bush had between 24 and 26 staffers working for her by the end of her husbands second term in office.It's therefore fair to say the size of Michelle Obama's staff is not "unprecedented" but rather on par with her immediate predecessors.

[grouser68]

Ace, you can write a book if you like and it still wont make you right.Oops, I see you have already done that!;) There is no need for me to go line by line of your post calling and showing you wrong on all counts, I will just say your entire "ranting" post is wrong! I will reemphasis my point again for you: The current first lady has the same amount of staffers as her predecessor.

[aceoky]

AND.........

About your "factual source" we'll let everyone decide for themselves....

Brooks Jackson
Director, FactCheck.org



Brooks Jackson is a journalist who covered Washington and national politics for 34 years, reporting in turn for The Associated Press, the Wall Street Journal and CNN. At CNN he pioneered the "adwatch" and "factcheck" form of stories debunking false and misleading political statements starting with the presidential election of 1992.

:D:D:D

Help me out here folks, WHICH Network "called the 1992 election", which MAJOR new show called the election WRONG??????? Seems I remember the CNN letters that night? LOL

[aceoky]

Ace, you can write a book if you like and it still wont make you right.Oops, I see you have already done that!;) There is no need for me to go line by line of your post calling and showing you wrong on all counts, I will just say your entire "ranting" post is wrong! I will reemphasis my point again for you: The current first lady has the same amount of staffers as her predecessor.

Why do you (and SO consistently) ignore the truth and THINK your spin can change something?

WHY can't you debate ANY issue by simply staying on the issue and NOT attacking the other members in the debate?

You avoided ALL the questions (and ALL THE FACTS) and calling the truth a "book" or a "rant" can't possibly change any of that!

Your futile attempts to change the direction of the topic is entertaining at least!

[aceoky]

I will reemphasis my point again for you: The current first lady has the same amount of staffers as her predecessor.

The combined annual salaries for the 22 staffers we can specifically identify as working for Michelle Obama come to $1.6 million. For the 18 we could identify as working for Laura Bush

Yeah OK.....BOTH are YOUR quotes......

NOW "the spin" is 22= 18 and $.2 MILLION doesn't matter LOL

There is no need for me to go line by line of your post calling and showing you wrong on all counts,

:D:D:D:D

There is NO WAY (not no need) that you can do so, and so far you're failing to even come close to disproving ANYTHING......but please by all means give it your "best shot"

When you (in good faith) post something that's proven to be false, it's a mistake, when someone else (who is not with YOUR Party) does it YOU call them a liar .......amazing!

[grouser68]

Ace, get over it dude! I made my point! The more you post and write the more it looks as if your either trying to cover up, or just wanting to argue(not debate). Once again just for you, my point is:The current first lady has the same number of staffers as her predecessor! There is no debating that,she did'nt up the staff count by 2000%.What is your major malfunction with the truth and the point I made Ace?

[aceoky]

I made my point!

IF you think you did, well.......

[aceoky]

. Once again just for you, my point is:The current first lady has the same number of staffers as her predecessor!

There is no debating that,she did'nt up the staff count by 2000%.What is your major malfunction with the truth and the point I made Ace?

Sure there IS debating of that, what "new math" are you using and when does 18=22?

I will reemphasis my point again for you: The current first lady has the same amount of staffers as her predecessor.
Quote:
The combined annual salaries for the 22 staffers we can specifically identify as working for Michelle Obama come to $1.6 million. For the 18 we could identify as working for Laura Bush .

Both are in fact YOUR quotes......

Like I said when YOU do it , it's a "mistake" IF anyone else does it you call them a liar.......:rolleyes:

YOU can come here and CLAIM that 18=22, and "I" am "the one trying to argue and cover up" (or whatever)that those who you don't agree with are "liars" or whatever else....... the fact is, "your point" was never correct, was NEVER about the post's contents or how much MORE she is spending ($.2 MILLION in only 8 months no less) and even that is comparing her first few months to Laura Bush's staff of 8 YEARS.....

It's not such much your opinion that causes folks to so often speak up , it's how YOU attack others on a personal level; because they don't "tow the Democrat Party line" that you do so much of yourself...... that is the real problem (calling them liars,...... accusing of "rants" , writing books, and " blind loyalty of their party" (which YOU are as guilty as anyone here on THAT one ) it's much worse when you are the very one who usually instigates things to begin with...and then you say folks "want to argue and not debate" :rolleyes: You'll find that folks are much more calm when you treat them how you'd like to be treated....... IMHO

[kmtpr]

I call it cost of living! BTW, I also got a raise, 3.4 percent I hope your not too upset about the military raise.
You call it a "cost of living", but HOW does Mrs Obama qualify for ANY COL expenses when she/they live off the taxpaying citizens and tell US to cut back on OUR spending to SURVIVE? This administration has cost the US American taxpayer more than ANY other administration, starting with the outlandish inauguration and has repeatedly done so, since then. :mad:

Glad you will get your Cost of Living, as I also believe you deserve it for serving. However, Obama and his greedy ilk, have seen to it that I, and many others on Social Security will "not" be receiving ANY Cost of Living increase in Jan, nor a few yrs after this, YET Medicare costs will continue to go up and benefits are going to be cut, even more. :rolleyes:

[grouser68]

Sure there IS debating of that, what "new math" are you using and when does 18=22?

.

Both are in fact YOUR quotes......

Like I said when YOU do it , it's a "mistake" IF anyone else does it you call them a liar.......:rolleyes:

YOU can come here and CLAIM that 18=22, and "I" am "the one trying to argue and cover up" (or whatever)that those who you don't agree with are "liars" or whatever else....... the fact is, "your point" was never correct, was NEVER about the post's contents or how much MORE she is spending ($.2 MILLION in only 8 months no less) and even that is comparing her first few months to Laura Bush's staff of 8 YEARS.....Ace, this will be my final post on this thread and this topic. I posted 2 sources, count them, 2 sources. I see just so you can keep your rant and venting going you chose to pick the source that low balled Bush's numbers.Thats fine, I will chose the other. Bush's numbers of 1.4 million were based on 18 staffers, but she actually had at one time 26. There are no numbers for the 26 but I can bet you those extra 8 staffers did'nt work for free.My entire intent on posting here was to show the egrigious difference between the thread starters number of 1 staffer, and the actual true number.But because you and others would much rather try to degrade anyone that is not of your political affliation than to hold someone to the mat for posting untruths..........here we are!:rolleyes: Why I saw no one post up about Cheney refusing to release his numbers of staff and money paid them is not a source of wonder for me, but a given!So the current first lady's staff of 24 makes 200K more than Bush's staff when she had 18, but why has'nt anyone questioned what the 26 staffers she had made? Well, I know why. Because you Ace, and others want to find anything you can to vent and rant, even if it's about a lie.Rant and vent away, have at it and have a nice day!:p

[aceoky]

Thanks once again for proving MY points....

You totally avoided ALL the relevant things posted, AND used "liar, rant and vent" while doing so.

The original poster (yet again) posted a QUOTE (same as YOU did on Medicare, which was NOT TRUE), ......

Medicare WILL be cut and soon (Jan 2010) just as we stated and you "tried" to dismiss..calling that "right wing propaganda"....still you come on here accusing someone of lying because one line in a page long post isn't "100% accurate", then you go on to "rant" about how 22 = 18 and "justify that BS" with " she had others but I can't say how much they were paid".....:rolleyes:

What's even worse is while you are accusing folks of "this or that" it's exactly what you've been doing all along! You "pick and choose" things to spin your Party's agenda, and I can't recall anyone calling you a liar...

Like I said YOU have posted quotes that were proven untrue, unlike you; most understand that can happen, and when it does that doesn't make the poster here the liar for what someone else said (as a matter of public record no less)

For what it's worth IMO neither of your liberal sources are "pristine" and above reproach...... SNOPES has been proven wrong enough for many to realize it's simply a couple's opinions, and no one can dispute the Left lean that's all too obvious.

We are not discussing Cheney , the "real point" IS in this troubled economy YOUR PARTY has been (already in 8 short months) WASTING $1.6 MILLION per year (using YOUR own numbers)........all the while YOUR Party (you know the one you're so proud to be "in power" for the time being) has increased OUR National Debt, spending money like it doesn't exist (and it doesn't) by the TRILLIONS OF $$$$ ...... Take a look at the National Debt Clock and TRY to convince me, which is more important, how many Laura bush had for staff OVER an 8 YEAR period.....or what IS going on in our country....

Keep in mind that NOW this $$ is coming from Loans from CHINA! (why this doesn't seem to bother you one bit, I'm confused as to how that can possibly be????)


How many CZARS did GW have? (What is the combined salaries of ALL Obama's Czars?????)

How much did GW "give" in "bailout funds" his first 7 months in office??????

Unemployment is projected to reach the levels of the Great Depression!

BIG difference when one's country IS in a sever economic crisis than when it's not, you see I understand that simple fact, and because I do , I see the real relevant points in the original post, and NO I don't care how many "aids" Martha Washington had either :D ....

I know you'll avoid the REAL questions and facts presented and "rant" about how you found and proved some pathetic lie......

[grouser68]

Thanks once again for proving MY points....

You totally avoided ALL the relevant things posted, AND used "liar, rant and vent" while doing so.

The original poster (yet again) posted a QUOTE (same as YOU did on Medicare, which was NOT TRUE), ......

Medicare WILL be cut and soon (Jan 2010) just as we stated and you "tried" to dismiss..calling that "right wing propaganda"....still you come on here accusing someone of lying because one line in a page long post isn't "100% accurate", then you go on to "rant" about how 22 = 18 and "justify that BS" with " she had others but I can't say how much they were paid".....:rolleyes:

What's even worse is while you are accusing folks of "this or that" it's exactly what you've been doing all along! You "pick and choose" things to spin your Party's agenda, and I can't recall anyone calling you a liar...

Like I said YOU have posted quotes that were proven untrue, unlike you; most understand that can happen, and when it does that doesn't make the poster here the liar for what someone else said (as a matter of public record no less)

For what it's worth IMO neither of your liberal sources are "pristine" and above reproach...... SNOPES has been proven wrong enough for many to realize it's simply a couple's opinions, and no one can dispute the Left lean that's all too obvious.

We are not discussing Cheney , the "real point" IS in this troubled economy YOUR PARTY has been (already in 8 short months) WASTING $1.6 MILLION per year (using YOUR own numbers)........all the while YOUR Party (you know the one you're so proud to be "in power" for the time being) has increased OUR National Debt, spending money like it doesn't exist (and it doesn't) by the TRILLIONS OF $$$$ ...... Take a look at the National Debt Clock and TRY to convince me, which is more important, how many Laura bush had for staff OVER an 8 YEAR period.....or what IS going on in our country....

Keep in mind that NOW this $$ is coming from Loans from CHINA! (why this doesn't seem to bother you one bit, I'm confused as to how that can possibly be????)


How many CZARS did GW have? (What is the combined salaries of ALL Obama's Czars?????)

I know you'll avoid the REAL questions and facts presented and "rant" about how you found and proved some pathetic lie......I thought the discussion was first lady's staffers and their salaries? Here are your ranting and venting points.

1.Medicare
2.Troubled economy
3.National debt
4.Loans from China
5.Czars
6.GW
7.Obama's Czar's

Theres your proof of "ranting" Ace! A thread about the first lady and in all of your posts you manage to add your rants completely off topic. I would suggest you start a thread on each of your rants and try not to lump them all into one thread that does'nt pertain to them.And I change my mind Ace, I want you to have a WONDERFUL DAY! ;)

[aceoky]

A thread about the first lady and in all of your posts you manage to add your rants completely off topic.


NO.......

Those points are relevant to whether or not the USA can afford for the first lady to waste $1.6 MILLION on herself.......relevant doesn't = "off topic" any more than 18=22 :D

[CanisMajor]

Grouser, you've got some serious anger issues. Maybe you need to get that checked out. You are so blinded by hate and party rhetoric that you have no clue what is going on in this country. This is not about Democrat vs. Republican. This is about Tyranny and Liberty.

I don't owe you or anybody an apology. Typical liberal attitude that you think somebody owes you something. On second thought, I'll tell you what; I'll apologize to you for my post if you apologize to me for helping destroy our Constitutional Republic by helping to elect a non-natural born communist to the highest office in the land.

Sorry, but citing Snopes and Fact Check, two liberal sources, to counter a conservative source means zero. Now, I'd love to stay and play, but in keeping with the Oath I took in November 1975, I've got to get ready for Militia drill this weekend. If you want to continue arguing, then argue with yourself.

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[grouser68]

CM, get over yourself pal!You post up a pack of lies from some right wing radical blog then have the cahones to tell me I don't know whats happening in this country? Whats up with that? Post what you want but just don't expect not to be called out on the lies even if you yourself want to believe them to be true.Your right I do have a few anger issues, but it's not related to or pertain to anything from this site.It appears your anger is misdirected in the form of anything having to deal with politics, there should be some form of help or group you can join for that. Oh, I see you have militia drill this weekend, I hope that works out for ya. Should your militia need any BRM, CQM, or CQB instruction get in touch, I am now working for a friend instructing civilian, and a few agengy's love to help ya out!;)

[Colorado_Hunter]

Will this place ever change? I leave for 3 weeks and the first thing I find myself doing is having to throw fact into the right wing fiction...GEEZ!:rolleyes:



http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/



The combined annual salaries for the 22 staffers we can specifically identify as working for Michelle Obama come to $1.6 million. For the 18 we could identify as working for Laura Bush in 2008, the total is $1.4 million.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp

In fact,according to Anita McBride, Laura Bush's former Chief of Staff, Mrs. Bush had between 24 and 26 staffers working for her by the end of her husbands second term in office.It's therefore fair to say the size of Michelle Obama's staff is not "unprecedented" but rather on par with her immediate predecessors.

My friend the pot has to be stirred, or everything would crash and burn. :D

Hope everything went well with your three week trip.