How long before they ban bacon?

[headoftheholler]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-06-11-tobacco-control-bill_N.htm
I'm so sick of being told what I can and can't do as an adult by the government.
I know cig's are bad for me, Obama taxed the snot out of it and somehow my resolve to quit has been overcome by my resolve that I won't be taxed out of something I enjoy. How long before they ban lard or bacon or even beer because it isn't good for me and try to tell me how much and what I eat. This country is going to hell in a handbasket quick. Not looking too cheery for my childrens freedoms. :(

[philipfleek]

I hear ya.. We are an Obama Nation now. We will do what we are told, and thats the bottom line...I dont know too much-but I pay attention and there sure aint many dems posting lately. I wonder why that is- But I know why- They screwed up and now they KNOW It!!!

So smoke your ciggs, buy your ammo and eat your wings while you can!!:mad:


This aint AMREICA anymore........................................... ................


Headoftheholler, I'll buy ya a beer or two............

[trust me]

Each of us has the ability to "stick it to the man", so to speak. Why not raise a few plants of burley, cure it, and roll your own? If they ban bacon, I'll find room to raise a few hogs for slaughter. If they ban guns and hunting, I'll have enough 22 fodder in stock to go snipe a few squirrels for the pot, to satisfy my urges.

Civil disobedience is looking more and more likely in the years ahead.

[headoftheholler]

If Obama gets re-elected I see a lot of self brewing, distilling, hording of ammo, and rolling your own. Already there is a huge uptick in the number of people starting to grow gardens this year, I can see in a few years the return of people keeping more livestock around the house for thier own personal use.

PF, you know how to brew your own? Maybe I can trade some awesome canned garden veggies for some homebrew? :p

[itallushrt]

As an everyday cigar smoker who can

A. READ
B. REASON
C. TIE MY OWN SHOES

I am disgusted. There is no question that all tobacco products are dangerous, but so are many, many things. As an educated adult I make the decision to smoke cigars at a risk to my own health. I think the thread subject is a perfect way to summarize this. It really does beg the question what is next?

As for this being Obamanation and being all his fault, trust me if the shoe fits I will put it on him, we all need to check the voting record on this bill. There are more than 17 republicans in the senate. *


* I'm NOT a democrap and hate that SOB just as much as the next man.

[headoftheholler]

As an everyday cigar smoker who can

A. READ
B. REASON
C. TIE MY OWN SHOES

I am disgusted. There is no question that all tobacco products are dangerous, but so are many, many things. As an educated adult I make the decision to smoke cigars at a risk to my own health. I think the thread subject is a perfect way to summarize this. It really does beg the question what is next?

As for this being Obamanation and being all his fault, trust me if the shoe fits I will put it on him, we all need to check the voting record on this bill. There are more than 17 republicans in the senate. *


* I'm NOT a democrap and hate that SOB just as much as the next man.

Very good point. Would be difficult for a Senator from a tobacco producing state have to explain to tobacco farmers in his/her state why he/she is trying to put them in the poor house. I realize not every single thing is the direct fault of Obama but you have to agree we have already lost some freedoms since January. What is next? Will we not be able to publicly criticize elected officials on line? Dark times are coming.

[LocoRedneck]

Each of us has the ability to "stick it to the man", so to speak. Why not raise a few plants of burley, cure it, and roll your own? If they ban bacon, I'll find room to raise a few hogs for slaughter. If they ban guns and hunting, I'll have enough 22 fodder in stock to go snipe a few squirrels for the pot, to satisfy my urges.

Civil disobedience is looking more and more likely in the years ahead.

My thoughts exactly,except I've been preparing and stocking up here and there.I've also been brushing up on the "old ways".
My family left the Old World to get away from over taxation and harsh rule over 400 years ago to come to this land,my people learned alot along the way and if necassary I'm prepared to carry on.;)

[headoftheholler]

My thoughts exactly,except I've been preparing and stocking up here and there.I've also been brushing up on the "old ways".
My family left the Old World to get away from over taxation and harsh rule over 400 years ago to come to this land,my people learned alot along the way and if necassary I'm prepared to carry on.;)

Yep, some corn, sugar, yeast and fresh water over a flame will pay the bills, it has before in my family.

[itallushrt]

I realize not every single thing is the direct fault of Obama but you have to agree we have already lost some freedoms since January.

Without question! On this one though a lot of folks are to blame.

At least our boys stood strong.

TOBACCO BILL VOTING (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgRLoI8EQuRnfLjfMeCZsq-TOzWAD98OMR780)

McCain voted in favor of it so no matter who was in there it would get signed.

Just making the point that it is ridiculous to the degree that everyday the gub'ment tries a little harder to turn us into mindless robots.

[AteUp]

-red meat and cow products
-soft drinks
-V8 engines
-Homes over X# of sq footage
-2 cycle engines

[KYBOY]

. How long before they ban lard or bacon :(
Not a problem, I got your hook-up;) Knock three times fast, twice slow, then four fast...Password is "greasy" :cool: and you have to pronounce "greasy" with a "Z"......

[RocketRider]

I am amazed by the silence of the lefties that were so verbose during the election. Now they are keeping a low profile, sort of like the one cheek sneak in the middle of the room...;)



RR~

[pentail]

they can have my bacon when they pry it from my cold dead... No wait, thats something else. They try to take my bacon and there will be nothing civil in the disobedience I unleash;)

[DBELL]

Without question! On this one though a lot of folks are to blame.

At least our boys stood strong.

TOBACCO BILL VOTING (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgRLoI8EQuRnfLjfMeCZsq-TOzWAD98OMR780)

McCain voted in favor of it so no matter who was in there it would get signed.

Just making the point that it is ridiculous to the degree that everyday the gub'ment tries a little harder to turn us into mindless robots.


Notice the votes in Kentucky NO NO in North Carolina NO NO in Virginia Yes Yes. Virginia home to Phillip Morris, they are in support of a bill to restrict tobacco. No surprise to me, Phillip Morris is in support of the bill, way to go PM on supporting smokers rights:mad:.

[LocoRedneck]

Interesting Links that fit this topic
http://www.moonshineplans.co.uk/

http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/makebeer/makebeer.html

http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-your-own-wine/

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Gunpowder

[CUZZIN]

I hear ya.. We are an Obama Nation now. We will do what we are told, and thats the bottom line...I dont know too much-but I pay attention and there sure aint many dems posting lately. I wonder why that is- But I know why- They screwed up and now they KNOW It!!!

So smoke your ciggs, buy your ammo and eat your wings while you can!!:mad:


This aint AMREICA anymore........................................... ................


Headoftheholler, I'll buy ya a beer or two............Obama Nation now that's a good one coming from you. Why don't you smoke a cigg and eat some red meat wile drawing in that Obama check.

[TripleGee]

Being a muslim, Obama WILL probably try to put the stops to bacon production.:D

[AteUp]

Obama Nation now that's a good one coming from you. Why don't you smoke a cigg and eat some red meat wile drawing in that Obama check.

WTH does that mean? Coming from an Obama supporter...what's an "Obama Check?" Are all previous disabilities now credited to Obama?

[KY_Fried]

They banned certain drugs and look what happened. Bad guys making a whole lot of $ by selling it on the black market because of the demand. Now imagine the demand for bacon...:eek::eek::eek:

[lady estrus]

Thats right we are going to hell in a handbasket quickly. We will not have much freedom if any at all before long. I hope the people that voted for him are happy, maybe they like being controled,enjoy paying higher taxes, and enjoy watching the middle and lower classes suffer.:mad:

Everybody kept saying during election that he is going to make a change, well he did but not to benefit us.

Mybe the people that voted for him will be smart enough not to VOTE HIM IN AGIAN. I wonder they kick theirselves in the ass everyday.

[trust me]

If the Dems stay in control, (and the Repubs aren't doing anything right now to prevent that), I predict that the logical extension of all this global warming hoo-hah will be some sort of population control measures in the not-too-distant future. Either they'll punish you for having more than 2.83 kids, or they'll reward you for undergoing sterilization procedures or for killing the unborn.

For the record, i'm all in favor of paying for sterilization of the entitlement class. If a woman on the draw wants to get her tubes tied, it's a huge savings for the taxpayer to do that, rather than raise a dozen younguns.

[LocoRedneck]

If the Dems stay in control, (and the Repubs aren't doing anything right now to prevent that), I predict that the logical extension of all this global warming hoo-hah will be some sort of population control measures in the not-too-distant future. Either they'll punish you for having more than 2.83 kids, or they'll reward you for undergoing sterilization procedures or for killing the unborn.

For the record, i'm all in favor of paying for sterilization of the entitlement class. If a woman on the draw wants to get her tubes tied, it's a huge savings for the taxpayer to do that, rather than raise a dozen younguns.

They better start with the breeding population of the Illegal Immigrants then,if they are so worried about the ecology,I find it funny they are letting our country be overrun.

[grouseguy]

Each of us has the ability to "stick it to the man", so to speak. Why not raise a few plants of burley, cure it, and roll your own? If they ban bacon, I'll find room to raise a few hogs for slaughter. If they ban guns and hunting, I'll have enough 22 fodder in stock to go snipe a few squirrels for the pot, to satisfy my urges.

Civil disobedience is looking more and more likely in the years ahead.

While I remain an Obama backer, and am really enjoying the change in leadership and direction ... I concur with the idea of "civil disobedience".

We are all different and have different beliefs and views, but we all have the same options to deal with things we don't like. I have stated on this forum many times that I follow my own views of right and wrong more than some foolish government mandates.

So if you are really upset about something ... find a way around it ... like trust me suggets ... and send your own personal "gig" to "the man".

There are the far fringes of each political ideology that wish to ban or regulate products or substances or services that are enjoyed/used peacefully by many of our fellow citizens.

Its just that the "frustration pendulum" has swung to the right at the moment and you see the outcry from the "majority" ON THIS FORUM. However, the "majority" OF THIS COUNTRY experienced the same frustrations during the previous 8 years.

[CUZZIN]

WTH does that mean? Coming from an Obama supporter...what's an "Obama Check?" Are all previous disabilities now credited to Obama?WTH Do you think it means? Every thing that comes out of Phil mouth is about bashing Obama and all the while hes laid back on the draw?

[AteUp]

Every thing that comes out of Phil mouth is about bashing Obama and all the while hes laid back on the draw?

Yeah, so then he should be biased in favor of the president but he's not. Gives more creedence to his opinion, IMO.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Its just that the "frustration pendulum" has swung to the right at the moment and you see the outcry from the "majority" ON THIS FORUM. However, the "majority" OF THIS COUNTRY experienced the same frustrations during the previous 8 years.


Good point. VERY true.

[philipfleek]

WTH Do you think it means? Every thing that comes out of Phil mouth is about bashing Obama and all the while hes laid back on the draw?

Dont you worry about my draw.
You just keep on kicking them cans CUZZ.....

[headoftheholler]

I have absolutely no problem with my tax dollars going to help support someone that has a legitimate disability like Fleek. I do however have a problem with someone manipulating the system for a free ride on my dime. It is a proven fact that democrats support massive public support programs that will pay for nearly every need (or want) with very little supporting documentation to prove the need. Every day there is something new in the news that the democratic majority legislative and executive branches are pushing onto us and further infringing our rights. I assure you that a republican president would never had fired the CEO of GM, which BHO had no business sticking his nose in. We now have GM (government motors) that is owned no less by the federal government and the UAW, wonderful inbred bedmates. Like stated previously, it won't be long before V8 powered personal vehicles will be gone, maybe not from an outright ban but if they tax them beyond affordability then they will be gone as well. Just yesterday 200+ more coal miners were laid off here to add on to the 750+ that have already been laid off. Why? New laws passed by your "dear leader" have all but outlawed mountaintop removal, crippling our already fragile local economy. Open your eyes.

[LocoRedneck]

Besides all the current unbearable debt and taxing,wait until the Messiah starts all the Carbon Taxing of Fuel,Utilities,Food,Houses bigger than a cracker box,Cars bigger than a miniture go cart,etc
All the while giving it away as earmarks to specialty groups that I neither agree with or care about.
I can't see any person calling themselves a hunter that would support the muslim dictator in office with his anti-gun,anti-farm,anti-rights agenda.Must be Commie posers?

[LocoRedneck]

While I remain an Obama backer, and am really enjoying the change in leadership and direction ... I concur with the idea of "civil disobedience".

We are all different and have different beliefs and views, but we all have the same options to deal with things we don't like. I have stated on this forum many times that I follow my own views of right and wrong more than some foolish government mandates.

So if you are really upset about something ... find a way around it ... like trust me suggets ... and send your own personal "gig" to "the man".

There are the far fringes of each political ideology that wish to ban or regulate products or substances or services that are enjoyed/used peacefully by many of our fellow citizens.

Its just that the "frustration pendulum" has swung to the right at the moment and you see the outcry from the "majority" ON THIS FORUM. However, the "majority" OF THIS COUNTRY experienced the same frustrations during the previous 8 years.
You tell me one thing Obamie has changed or done any different than George Bush that was an actual improvement?
There is no way you are a Kentuckian that supports him knowing full well he is doing everything in his power to ruin this states largest livelihoods = Coal,Tobbaco,Agriculture

[headoftheholler]

There is no way you are a Kentuckian that supports him knowing full well he is doing everything in his power to ruin this states largest livelihoods = Coal,Tobbaco,Agriculture

Do you think all this has anything to do with our state not voting for him? I'd say this is his idea of payback.

[grouseguy]

You tell me one thing Obamie has changed or done any different than George Bush that was an actual improvement?
There is no way you are a Kentuckian that supports him knowing full well he is doing everything in his power to ruin this states largest livelihoods = Coal,Tobbaco,Agriculture

I see you've just arrived at KentuckyHunting.net. I've been here since the mid 90's, so I no longer feel compelled to defend myself to the uninformed or the ridiculous.

The world has changed quite a bit since I entered it in 1960, and IMHO, its way past time for KY to catch up. Stubbornly holding on to dying institutions and beliefs will only serve to make Kentucky an ever smaller object in the rear view mirror of the rest of the world.

[LocoRedneck]

I see you've just arrived at KentuckyHunting.net. I've been here since the mid 90's, so I no longer feel compelled to defend myself to the uninformed or the ridiculous.

The world has changed quite a bit since I entered it in 1960, and IMHO, its way past time for KY to catch up. Stubbornly holding on to dying institutions and beliefs will only serve to make Kentucky an ever smaller object in the rear view mirror of the rest of the world.

Ky Hunting Forums hasn't been around since the mid 90's

Yes the world has changed,Bill Clinton started the mass exodus of our jobs to China,Mexico,and India ,so you are saying if everyone else wants to jump into the river of fire,we should follow suite?
You think Socialism is now the ticket for a country based on freedom and constitutional rights?
You think we should just dump our greatest resources and kiss the rearend of Islam,Acorn,and Peta?

Inquiring Minds want to know.

Still waiting on the Big Changes the Messiah has made for the better?

[grouseguy]

Ky Hunting Forums hasn't been around since the mid 90's


With this first statement, you've PROVEN to be uninformed.

All the rest is just the same background noise.




FYI - This current version of KentuckyHunting.net was purchased and is owned by Uncle Lee's ... there were other predecessors that I'm sure others can remember the owners names, etc., as there are still a handfull of us that remain from those early days, although admittedly much of the talent has moved on as this board has deteriorated over the years.

[LocoRedneck]

Here's your uninformed

http://www.desertconservative.com/2008/11/03/obamaanti-coalobama-to-banktupt-coal-by-levying-heavy-taxes/

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html

http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/288542838.html

http://www.danielpipes.org/5354/confirmed-barack-obama-practiced-islam

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressrelease_detail.cfm?release=249

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/05/obamas_ties_to_acorn_more_subs.html

[LocoRedneck]

So what you're telling me is that if I don't have 12000 posts on KyHunting.net I'm uninformed and not worthy ? LMAO

Still waiting on those Big Obamie Changes for the good?

[grouseguy]

So what you're telling me is that if I don't have 12000 posts on KyHunting.net I'm uninformed and not worthy ?
I didn't say anything about "12000 posts". ;):p:cool:

Anyway, I'm off to the League of KY Sportsmen convention to represent the KY Grouse Hunters Association. Hope to see some of you guys there.

[barney]

I see you've just arrived at KentuckyHunting.net. I've been here since the mid 90's, so I no longer feel compelled to defend myself to the uninformed or the ridiculous.

The world has changed quite a bit since I entered it in 1960, and IMHO, its way past time for KY to catch up. Stubbornly holding on to dying institutions and beliefs will only serve to make Kentucky an ever smaller object in the rear view mirror of the rest of the world.
HOGWASH! Have you looked around lately? The world is now accelerating backwards at an astronomical rate due to liberal ideals. Tent cities are poping up everywhere, and your saying Ky. needs to catch up....LOL IMHO....what this world needs is more hardcore conservative mentality.;)

[AteUp]

It's sad that this forum isn't a more accurate representation of America. I connect more with 98% of the people here than I do with most of America. Most people in America are stupid and clueless. If you want proof, go hang out at Walmart for a few hours.

[deadaim]

I see you've just arrived at KentuckyHunting.net. I've been here since the mid 90's, so I no longer feel compelled to defend myself to the uninformed or the ridiculous.

The world has changed quite a bit since I entered it in 1960, and IMHO, its way past time for KY to catch up. Stubbornly holding on to dying institutions and beliefs will only serve to make Kentucky an ever smaller object in the rear view mirror of the rest of the world.

Typical GG response.....he will not answer the question at hand...then proceed to tell us all how stupid and inbred we are and how great he is. He will never change................Im also one of the old timers on the forum. I guess that makes me smarter than everyone else.........LMAO

[Al]

HOGWASH! Have you looked around lately? The world is now accelerating backwards at an astronomical rate due to liberal ideals. Tent cities are poping up everywhere, and your saying Ky. needs to catch up....LOL IMHO....what this world needs is more hardcore conservative mentality.;)
What a joke GG's ideas are, Kentucky needs to catch up with what? States like California? That state is so broke from all the GG type ideas that it dosent have a pot to pee in.

GG, you sound like you dream of being one of Obamas "citizen's of the world". Talk about ignorant and informed thats like the pot calling the kettle black.

[barney]

What a joke GG's ideas are, Kentucky needs to catch up with what? States like California? That state is so broke from all the GG type ideas that it dosent have a pot to pee in.

GG, you sound like you dream of being one of Obamas "citizen's of the world". Talk about ignorant and informed thats like the pot calling the kettle black.
I've known GG's type before..... very well educated, with an elaborately sharp mind, able to conjure up dreamy, almost mystical, theories and ideas, but sadly.....a lost soul when it comes to reality.:(

[deadaim]

I've known GG's type before..... very well educated, with an elaborately sharp mind, able to conjure up dreamy, almost mystical, theories and ideas, but sadly.....a lost soul when it comes to reality.:(

I have an Uncle that is a professor at UK that fits that description.....even he can now admit Obama was a mistake........

[corndogggy]

I think there's a slight overreaction here. They're not banning the cigarettes, they're banning the term "light" being printed on the box. As for candy flavored ones, yeah I guess they're banning those, but I imagine those are obviously popular with the underage crowd.

I mean, if they decided that Bud Lite couldn't be called Lite anymore, I wouldn't be freaked out that they're banning beer. :rolleyes:

[headoftheholler]

I think there's a slight overreaction here. They're not banning the cigarettes, they're banning the term "light" being printed on the box. As for candy flavored ones, yeah I guess they're banning those, but I imagine those are obviously popular with the underage crowd.

I mean, if they decided that Bud Lite couldn't be called Lite anymore, I wouldn't be freaked out that they're banning beer. :rolleyes:

Flavored dip or snuff will also be affected. Its not so much to me that they are changing the names of cigs, or banning particular cigs, it's just that I'm fed up with the federal government delving deeper and deeper into my personal life and habits. I've had my fill of "change".

[trust me]

If I want peppermint flavored cigarettes, and a tobacco company is willing to make them for me, then I certainly have the innate right to buy them and smoke them all day long until the cows come home.

Now, when I start developing those bothersome lung tumors, then I should take responsibility for my treatment and buy the best medical treatment I can afford, and not expect the gov't to hold my hand and make me all better. If i can't afford the treatment, then I will live (and die) with the consequences of my actions.

And that is how it works in Trust Me's perfect world.

[philipfleek]

Thats right because you need people like me to pay your bills like it or not.:rolleyes:

And I will thank you for it....What the hell you doing home. hard to kick cans in the dark! get busy I need a pack of ciggs.....................


And I understand you being a prick, things not going the way you wanted it to. your man YOU voted for aint doing SHAT. so you keep on keeping on and we will shoot you down every chance we get...Thanks CUZZIN and America!

[CUZZIN]

Good one :D:D:D How about a six pack to go along with them stogies?

[philipfleek]

Good one :D:D:D How about a six pack to go along with them stogies?
If a six is all you can afford thats fine!

[DBELL]

[QUOTE=corndogggy;770654] As for candy flavored ones, yeah I guess they're banning those, but I imagine those are obviously popular with the underage crowd.


Not just candy flavored. Yet to be decided MENTHOL = FLAVOR. The so-called candy flavored smokes are off the market already.

[nwest]

Not just candy flavored. Yet to be decided MENTHOL = FLAVOR. The so-called candy flavored smokes are off the market already.


What they are stopin production of Menthols???? Isn't that going to upset the fan base a little

[Colorado_Hunter]

If I want peppermint flavored cigarettes, and a tobacco company is willing to make them for me, then I certainly have the innate right to buy them and smoke them all day long until the cows come home.

Now, when I start developing those bothersome lung tumors, then I should take responsibility for my treatment and buy the best medical treatment I can afford, and not expect the gov't to hold my hand and make me all better. If i can't afford the treatment, then I will live (and die) with the consequences of my actions.

And that is how it works in Trust Me's perfect world.

Exactly, couldn't have said it better my friend.

Smoking is a choice, my grandfather smoked the peace pipe since he was 13 years old, he finally went to the happy hunting grounds at the ripe age of 106. I can still remember going to his farm and their would be huge pile of Prince Albert cans.

[Colorado_Hunter]

What they are stopin production of Menthols???? Isn't that going to upset the fan base a little

Hope Changey and his brothers smoke Kools, so they can't ban them.:D

[barney]

Actually the title to this thread may not be to far fetched with the current administration.;)



America's top pork producer churns out a sea of waste that has destroyed rivers, killed millions of fish and generated one of the largest fines in EPA history. Welcome to the dark side of the other white meat.

Smithfield Foods, the largest and most profitable pork processor in the world, killed 27 million hogs last year. That's a number worth considering. A slaughter-weight
hog is fifty percent heavier than a person. The logistical challenge of processing that many pigs each year is roughly equivalent to butchering and boxing the entire human populations of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, San Jose, Detroit, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, San Francisco, Columbus, Austin, Memphis, Baltimore, Fort Worth, Charlotte, El Paso, Milwaukee, Seattle, Boston, Denver, Louisville, Washington, D.C., Nashville, Las Vegas, Portland, Oklahoma City and Tucson.
Smithfield Foods actually faces a more difficult task than transmogrifying the populations of America's thirty-two largest cities into edible packages of meat. Hogs produce three times more excrement than human beings do. The 500,000 pigs at a single Smithfield subsidiary in Utah generate more fecal matter each year than the 1.5 million inhabitants of Manhattan. The best estimates put Smithfield's total waste discharge at 26 million tons a year. That would fill four Yankee Stadiums. Even when divided among the many small pig production units that surround the company's slaughterhouses, that is not a containable amount.

[Colorado_Hunter]

Thats right because you need people like me to pay your bills like it or not.:rolleyes:

Some people are not able to work, personally I don't have a problem supporting them.

The losers who are able to work, but choose not to work don't deserve Jack if you ask me.

[LocoRedneck]

Now the "Messiah" wants to release the Guantanamo Prisoners in the United States,Lord Save Us:rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090612/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_guantanamo_detainees_2

Obama won't rule out freeing Gitmo detainees in US

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By DEVLIN BARRETT and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writers Devlin Barrett And Matthew Lee, Associated Press Writers – 56 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Despite fierce opposition in Congress, the White House insisted Friday it has not ruled out releasing Guantanamo Bay detainees in the United States. But with narrowing options, the administration has begun shipping newly cleared inmates abroad to regain momentum in its effort to close the Cuba-based prison camp.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the administration has not abandoned the possibility of releasing detainees in the U.S., but he added that national security considerations would govern any moves.
"We're not going to make any decisions about transfer or release that threatens the security of the country," Gibbs said, capping a week in which seven detainees were transferred under high security to foreign nations.
Gibbs said the release of those detainees showed "marked progress" and other decisions were being made on a case-by-case basis. President Barack Obama said last month that the cases of 50 detainees had been reviewed — and the administration said 48 of them were waiting for release to foreign nations.
But the prospects for any transfers of Guantanamo inmates to the mainland U.S. have dimmed in recent weeks as Congress acted to block funding to pay for the moves. And foreign countries have been hesitant to take even cleared detainees who were deemed not to pose security threats.
U.S. officials said they were close to a deal with Saudi Arabia and Yemen under which Saudi Arabia would take about 100 Yemeni detainees and place them in Saudi-run terrorist rehabilitation centers.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private diplomatic contacts, would not say how many Yemenis might be transferred or when the agreement might be finalized.
Negotiations on the fate of the Yemeni inmates have been under way for months, stalled over a Saudi demand that Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh publicly endorse the proposal, the officials said. Saleh had refused to do so fearing a backlash among his people, the officials said, and, as of late last month, he preferred for Yemen to set up its own centers.
Obama has pledged to close Guantanamo by early next year, and U.S. officials have been searching for places to resettle detainees, lobbying hard with foreign governments. The pace of those efforts picked up last month after Congress said it would prevent detainees, even those cleared of wrongdoing, from being brought to the U.S.
This week alone, the administration transferred seven detainees out of Guantanamo. Two were sent to Chad and Iraq, one was brought to New York to stand trial in civilian court and four were sent to Bermuda. And a deal in principle has been reached with the Pacific island nation of Palau to accept some others.
Besides detainees who might be freed, tried or turned over to foreign governments, there are still others — highly dangerous — who the administration says can be neither freed nor tried. These prisoners — "people who in effect remain at war with the United States," Obama has said — include detainees who may have received extensive al-Qaida training, commanded Taliban troops or sworn allegiance to Osama bin Laden.
With clear movement this week on settling 17 Chinese Muslims, known as Uighurs, from Guantanamo, the Yemeni detainees are the largest national bloc at the Cuba-based prison.
Their transfer would put a significant dent in the facility's population but still not set the stage for closing.
Numerous countries have balked at accepting detainees unless some are also resettled in the United States.
Despite Gibbs' comments, a key House panel approved legislation Friday that would deny immigration benefits to any Guantanamo detainees who might be released in the U.S. after being brought here for trial.
The bill, to be voted on soon by Congress, would be in effect until the end of the budget year at the end of September. Lawmakers could then extend the ban.
Adoption of the legislation would deal another blow to the administration, which was taken aback by the vehemence of the resistance to a tentative earlier plan to resettle some of the Uighurs in Virginia.

The Uighurs were determined not to be enemy combatants by the Pentagon and ordered released by a federal judge. But few nations have been willing to accept them, out of fear of angering China's government, which accuses them of being terrorists and demands they be returned to China.
Intense opposition from both Republicans and Democrats forced the Obama administration to shelve the resettlement plan after a particularly embarrassing setback for Obama in which the Democratic-led Congress stripped funding to close Guantanamo.
Lawmakers of both parties denounced even the possibility of trials in the U.S. of detainees. And Republicans made clear they would use the issue as a linchpin in their opposition to other administration projects.
Determined to regain the upper hand, U.S. officials have been crisscrossing the globe in recent weeks to cajole other governments to take freed detainees.
"The White House came to the realization that it's just too hard, that there were too many obstacles to this and is looking at other options," said one senior official.
Earlier this week, after a visit from Obama's special envoy for closing Guantanamo, Daniel Fried, the president of Palau, a remote island east of the Philippines, said his country was willing to accept some or all of the Uighurs.
Then on Thursday, four Uighurs were transferred from Guantanamo to the British territory of Bermuda. The move angered British officials, who have responsibility for the island's foreign, defense and security affairs, but were not informed until shortly before it happened.
Hours later, the administration's interest in completing those transfers was evident in the presence of Fried and White House counsel Greg Craig aboard a flight that carried four newly released Uighurs and their lawyers to Bermuda. White House officials said the officials were on the flight to ensure there were no last-minute hitches.
Officials had long believed that the Uighurs would be the easiest — and perhaps the only — Guantanamo detainees who could be released in the United States. Now that Bermuda and Palau have stepped forward, the administration has for the time being given up on bringing any Uighurs to American soil.

[Colorado_Hunter]

Gibbs said the release of those detainees showed "marked progress" and other decisions were being made on a case-by-case basis. President Barack Obama said last month that the cases of 50 detainees had been reviewed — and the administration said 48 of them were waiting for release to foreign nations.

Gibbs is a Tool, that fella is completly clueless.

[turkeytalker]

I see you've just arrived at KentuckyHunting.net. I've been here since the mid 90's, so I no longer feel compelled to defend myself to the uninformed or the ridiculous.

The world has changed quite a bit since I entered it in 1960, and IMHO, its way past time for KY to catch up. Stubbornly holding on to dying institutions and beliefs will only serve to make Kentucky an ever smaller object in the rear view mirror of the rest of the world.


Thats original, only grouseguy has been around since owlgore invented this place:rolleyes:. Pretty sure you was spouting the same tired rhetoric back in the early years.:)

Only in karter county can peanuts mean so much

[turkeytalker]

What they are stopin production of Menthols???? Isn't that going to upset the fan base a little



Since i dip Copenhagen i'm ok with banning candy flavored baccer, but the minute they mention cherry kool-aid i'm taking arms.

[Colorado_Hunter]

Since i dip Copenhagen i'm ok with banning candy flavored baccer, but the minute they mention cherry kool-aid i'm taking arms.


Or Grape soda for them fellas who part their hair in the middle. When I was still in the Army they used to say if you "drink Grape soda and parted your hair in the middle", you were a druggie.

[Colorado_Hunter]

I am amazed by the silence of the lefties that were so verbose during the election. Now they are keeping a low profile, sort of like the one cheek sneak in the middle of the room...;)



RR~

The Obama Lap Dog Media is in denial. They created Obama and their world is starting to collapse around them.

How long will it be before the Lap Dog Media throws Hope Changey under the bus?

[raktrakr]

How long will it be before the Lap Dog Media throws Hope Changey under the bus?Hopefully they wont and they'll go down with him!
GG mentioned looking at KY in the rear-view, IMHO, maybe the rest of the world should slow down. The world has gotten so far ahead of itself that its starting to callapse around us

[LocoRedneck]

You mess with my piggies,you mess with me
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[DBELL]

Since i dip Copenhagen i'm ok with banning candy flavored baccer, but the minute they mention cherry kool-aid i'm taking arms.

If they can make it illegal to manufactor and flavor one legal product why do you think the government would stop there. Maybe Kool-Aid is next, who knows.

You know that you are using a product (Cope) that is owned by the company in support of the bill to give the FDA control to regulate tobacco products the way they see fit.:confused:

[Colorado_Hunter]

If they can make it illegal to manufactor and flavor one legal product why do you think the government would stop there. Maybe Kool-Aid is next, who knows.

:confused:

The Liberals won't ban Kool-Aid, they have to have it to drink after they open their mouth and spout lie after lie.

[barney]

You mess with my piggies,you mess with me
http://images.craigslist.org/3k73m93l3ZZZZZZZZZ96d8979a55409ac14ce.jpg
Are them Berkshire X's, or pure bred?

[LocoRedneck]

Are them Berkshire X's, or pure bred?

mostly Berkshire but crossed.

[CUZZIN]

Looks like piga to me.:D

[gicts]

Banning fruit flavored tobacco is hog wash! How else are our good Kentucky kids going to get their fruits?!


Worrying about banning hogs, I guess my old lady can look into the future. She's been saving up slabs of lard for years!

[WildmanWilson]

A shotgun, a rifle, and a four wheel drive ....a country boy can survive.

The bad part is Obama wants to take all this away from us country boys. Wants us to turn in our guns and let the mighty police take care of any bad guy problems we may have....and then wants us to walk or drive an electric piece of crap that he thinks will save us all from ourselves.

Obama hates redneck good ol' boys......

[95bravo]

They are working on the pig fart tax. That might run the price of bacon out of range of the common man, who works for a living. I've you live in the city and push paperwork all day for the Gov. I'm sure you can afford the pig fart tax...Wait a minute deer fart too... All farmers and deer hunters should all have to pay for all the deer farts. Do grouse fart? I don't want grouser guy getting out of all the fart taxes the rest of us are going to have to pay for.