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AteUp
05-14-2009, 09:07 AM
I don't know how many of you have smelled strong ammonia before, but a little will absolutely take your head off. What a terrible way to die.


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12:13 AM EDT on Thursday, May 14, 2009

(WHAS11) - Two men have died after exposure to dangerous concentrations of toxic ammonia. The incident happened at American Cold Storage just southwest of Downtown Louisville. It’s a warehouse facility that stores frozen foods for various companies.

The plant manager told authorities the ammonia vapor was so thick, he couldn’t see into the room, where the men were found unconscious.

“We were working and they sounded the alarm for everyone to get out of the building and we came out,” said Sherry Wathen.

As about a dozen employees stood safely outside, they realized two of their co-workers were missing.

“They had everyone in the building out really quickly, but the people that were in the room where the ammonia was leaking, didn’t come out,” said Wathen.

“When the plant manager went back and discovered the leak, the vapors were thick enough that he couldn’t see into the room,” said Louisville Fire Department Chief Greg Frederick.

Fire trucks, EMS and two hazmat teams rushed to 607 Industry Road, setting up decontamination sites.

They pulled two unconscious men out of the building taking each of them to the hospital.

“One of the victims in a scissor lift inside the room where the ammonia was most concentrated,” said Frederick. “One person was on the ground...”

Despite the rescue efforts both men were pronounced dead at the hospital. Authorities say they’re not sure how long the men were exposed to the toxic fumes.
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2 people transported to hospital after ammonia leak

“There could be a time lapse between they’re working in this room and someone seeing that something happened,” said Frederick.

We’re told both men were maintenance workers—one in his 30’s who’d only worked here for less than two months. The other—a 50-year-old man.

Chief Frederick says authorities are investigating what caused that leak.

westkybanded
05-14-2009, 09:43 AM
Shoooo.... I can't imagine.

I've been knocked out by anhydrous several times, and it's terrible. It's a real scarry feeling when you can't breathe like that.

Seeing it on the news last night, I was amazed that the fire trucks looked like they were putting water on it. I learned in hazmat classes years ago that putting water on amonia makes hydrogen gas...

AteUp
05-14-2009, 09:46 AM
Never been knocked out but one of the times it took my head off I ran away like a little girl.:eek: You're right, it's very scary...and hits you fast.

westkybanded
05-14-2009, 10:01 AM
When I worked for Miles one of my jobs in the Spring was filling tanks. Sometimes, those relief valves would let loose upwind a few feet from you, and you could not get away fast enough.

trust me
05-14-2009, 11:21 AM
You're right, ammonia doesn't sneak up on you. It hits hard and fast.

I don't have the manual with me, but spraying water on vaporous ammonia might have just been to move it out into the outside atmosphere to dilute it. I'd have to have the DOT manual before me to know for sure.

Firefighters' first instinct is to spray water, we all know that. Sometimes it can get you or others killed.

BadDuck
05-14-2009, 11:50 AM
Firefighters' first instinct is to spray water, we all know that. Sometimes it can get you or others killed.

What does this have to do with anything?

trust me
05-14-2009, 12:29 PM
What does this have to do with anything?

I was amazed that the fire trucks looked like they were putting water on it. I learned in hazmat classes years ago that putting water on amonia makes hydrogen gas...

It had to do with this statement right here.

JP
05-16-2009, 02:34 PM
Shoooo.... I can't imagine.

I've been knocked out by anhydrous several times, and it's terrible. It's a real scarry feeling when you can't breathe like that.

Seeing it on the news last night, I was amazed that the fire trucks looked like they were putting water on it. I learned in hazmat classes years ago that putting water on amonia makes hydrogen gas...

I've heard State Cops tell me once that they found a guy dead that was trying to suck out anhydous from a farmers tank to steal for meth production.....they called him "ol frosty lips".......yikes... :eek: I feel for these folks.

westkybanded
05-16-2009, 03:59 PM
I've heard State Cops tell me once that they found a guy dead that was trying to suck out anhydous from a farmers tank to steal for meth production.....they called him "ol frosty lips".......yikes... :eek: I feel for these folks.

Yup... Anhydrous burns are nothing to fool around with.

Consider that gene pool cleansed a little as the anhydrous in a tank is under pressure, and there's no need to pump or suck it out.

ptbrauch
05-19-2009, 12:42 PM
Anhydrous ammonia plus water just gives you ammonia like you'd use for cleaning. At a past employer, we all had to train to be first responders in the event of an ammonia leak. We were the HazMat team. In this incident, we had some product stored in that warehouse, apparently in the area of the leak.

reivertom
05-19-2009, 11:08 PM
I took a sniff of pure ammonia once and it knocked me to my knees and I felt like someone hit me in the forehead with a 2X4. I can't imagine the pain they had in a room full.

Docknboatlift
05-20-2009, 08:02 AM
I worked for a company that kept just enough ammonia for testing new refrigerating machines. We had a minor leak on a Saturday that kept me there 3 extra hours while the fire truck parade came and investigated the problem. And that was just a small amount from a broken sight glass. I'd rather have had them come for a small fire. They would just put that out and leave (been through two small fires as well). The leak was all sorts of machine sniffing and paperwork and reports that had to be filled out on Monday.

That same company had a pretty big ammonia leak in the last year or two before this. OSHA is going to barbecue them....which they ought to.