Hypothetical public school question

[barney]

Just a simple question, is it legal for a teacher to take pictures of childrens arses in a classroom?

[etownhunter]

Heck no! are we talking bare? Id say never in a million years would it be legal for anyone in the school to take pix of a childs butt, bare butt that is, even if abuse is suspected, id say they would have to pass that to police, or child services....If the teacher took pix he/she could face child porn charges...

[JDMiller]

Think that would be crossing the line in my opinion if its just the rearend & not a photograph of the child.

Usually... pending certain classes... if photographs were taken of the kids required a parental conscent form. Seems I remember we signed a few of those where still photography or video was used.

Any class / teacher intentionally photographing certain body parts of kids... sorta weird.

[barney]

Heck no! are we talking bare? Id say never in a million years would it be legal for anyone in the school to take pix of a childs butt, bare butt that is, even if abuse is suspected, id say they would have to pass that to police, or child services....If the teacher took pix he/she could face child porn charges...
Lets say they are fully clothed. But still, would it be legal to take these picks of childrens rears in a classroom? What if the teacher singles out 2 particular types of students......the heavy students who "show" a little, and students who wear "skinny jeans"?

[etownhunter]

Lets say they are fully clothed. But still, would it be legal to take these picks of childrens rears in a classroom? What if the teacher singles out 2 particular types of students......the heavy students who "show" a little, and students who wear "skinny jeans"?
Not sure where this is going, but if my child, or another child i knew was being singled out in class/in front of the class, i would either A) contact the superintendant, or B) Id be in someones "arse" over it. Could possibly seek legal action.....

[barney]

Think that would be crossing the line in my opinion if its just the rearend & not a photograph of the child.

Usually... pending certain classes... if photographs were taken of the kids required a parental conscent form. Seems I remember we signed a few of those where still photography or video was used.

Any class / teacher intentionally photographing certain body parts of kids... sorta weird.
What if the kids have repeatedly, asked this teacher to STOP taking these pics but the teacher refuses. What if a cell phone recording has emerged of the teacher defending the right to take pictures of their butts?

[barney]

Not sure where this is going, but if my child, or another child i knew was being singled out in class/in front of the class, i would either A) contact the superintendant, or B) Id be in someones "arse" over it. Could possibly seek legal action.....
Say the principal calls one of the kids to the office who has been repeatedly photographed,over the last several months....... and tells them to "stop stiring the pot, drop this issue now, before something gets out of hand"

[etownhunter]

Call the heavy hitter! Lol 4581000!

[etownhunter]

Say the principal calls one of the kids to the office who has been repeatedly photographed,over the last several months....... and tells them to "stop stiring the pot, drop this issue now, before something gets out of hand"
Ok barney, spill the beans, whats going on? The principal said that cause if word got out, that would be bad news for the school!

[kyslim]

Ok this one those that i will probably wish I had left alone but coming from a family of teachers I would first ask , Is the child wearing the (way to popular) "south wigs" or the really baggy pants? If he or she is and they are showing thier rears all day then I would say Thats Fine because maybe they are trying to prove a point and get this type of dress banned from public schools. But if this is not the case then I would have to say its probably not right and if it were my kid I would be on here looking for advice to get out of legal trouble and not if this behavior was ok!

[barney]

Ok barney, spill the beans, whats going on? The principal said that cause if word got out, that would be bad news for the school!
Stay tuned, you may see me on the news.;)

[etownhunter]

If your gonna go out, go out with a bang, and when you get your settlement, remember im the one that told you to call the heavy hitter!:D

[barney]

Ok this one those that i will probably wish I had left alone but coming from a family of teachers I would first ask , Is the child wearing the (way to popular) "south wigs" or the really baggy pants? If he or she is and they are showing thier rears all day then I would say Thats Fine because maybe they are trying to prove a point and get this type of dress banned from public schools. But if this is not the case then I would have to say its probably not right and if it were my kid I would be on here looking for advice to get out of legal trouble and not if this behavior was ok!
There is no dress code at this public school. I'm also fine with set rules............ but, one teacher singling certain kids out, taking questionable photos, and degrading them.......I'm not!

[barney]

if your gonna go out, go out with a bang, and when you get your settlement, remember im the one that told you to call the heavy hitter!:d
lol..........:d

[etownhunter]

if you got all your facts straight, and you can back up everything you say, go straight to the press!:D:D

[mgpatty]

Sexual harassment, or the least harassment, comes to mind if he only singles out certain students. It is worse if these children are 'publically' harassed in front of other students. Does the teacher make any type of comments that could be considered imappropriate about the children he photographs? Does the children feel intimidated by the teachers actions? Is it affecting the children's school work? If the photographs focus on certain body parts only it would seem to almost fall under some type of 'voyeurism' law. However, I'm not sure what the laws are in Kentucky regarding voyeurism. I would most definately contact a good attorney (outside the county, without any ties to the educational system) if any of the above mentioned scenarios are true. If the teacher is relatively new to the school, I would be especially concerned.

[mgpatty]

Ok this one those that i will probably wish I had left alone but coming from a family of teachers I would first ask , Is the child wearing the (way to popular) "south wigs" or the really baggy pants? If he or she is and they are showing thier rears all day then I would say Thats Fine because maybe they are trying to prove a point and get this type of dress banned from public schools. But if this is not the case then I would have to say its probably not right and if it were my kid I would be on here looking for advice to get out of legal trouble and not if this behavior was ok!

While I agree that inappropriate clothing (i.e revealing) has no place in a school sytem, there are much better ways to get a point across than photographing students. If this is indeed the case, it shows very poor judgement on the part of the teacher.

[therron258]

male or female teacher? if its a female, hold on tight, women are never at fault...:)

[barney]

Sexual harassment, or the least harassment, comes to mind if he only singles out certain students. It is worse if these children are 'publically' harassed in front of other students. Does the teacher make any type of comments that could be considered imappropriate about the children he photographs? Does the children feel intimidated by the teachers actions? Is it affecting the children's school work? If the photographs focus on certain body parts only it would seem to almost fall under some type of 'voyeurism' law. However, I'm not sure what the laws are in Kentucky regarding voyeurism. I would most definately contact a good attorney (outside the county, without any ties to the educational system) if any of the above mentioned scenarios are true. If the teacher is relatively new to the school, I would be especially concerned.
All of the things you brought up are true, I have proof!

[barney]

male or female teacher? if its a female, hold on tight, women are never at fault...:)
this female teacher is gonna be, and maybe a male principal too!;)

[kyslim]

If you do feel like your child has been singled out or harrased and have legitimate means of proving it I can tell you that the school system will try to keep it very hush hush and you will never go to court! It will be settled out of court and you will get some hush money. Trust me I have seen this happen before! I hope everything turns out allright for you.

[12 pointer]

If you do feel like your child has been singled out or harrased and have legitimate means of proving it I can tell you that the school system will try to keep it very hush hush and you will never go to court! It will be settled out of court and you will get some hush money. Trust me I have seen this happen before! I hope everything turns out allright for you.

Piss on hush money. Bring them out in the wide open!!! They deserve to be made public perverts. Degrading a child is the cruelest thing to do. Hang'em from the first banaster you can find. I wanna watch.

[nwest]

Give em hell Barney

[fredrock]

Sexual harassment, or the least harassment, comes to mind if he only singles out certain students. It is worse if these children are 'publically' harassed in front of other students. Does the teacher make any type of comments that could be considered imappropriate about the children he photographs? Does the children feel intimidated by the teachers actions? Is it affecting the children's school work? If the photographs focus on certain body parts only it would seem to almost fall under some type of 'voyeurism' law. However, I'm not sure what the laws are in Kentucky regarding voyeurism. I would most definately contact a good attorney (outside the county, without any ties to the educational system) if any of the above mentioned scenarios are true. If the teacher is relatively new to the school, I would be especially concerned.From what you have told me barney the teacher has singled out certain students during class, which makes it public and also has made certain derogatory comments regarding this issue.Sounds like Voyeurism to me.Go get em barny!!!

[treerat]

barney if i was in that situation then i would go over the principles head and straight to the school board mentioning too that the principle is trying to brush it under the rug,,,,,,legally it is wrong to because of the teacher and principle being in power of the student,,,,,,,there can be serious consequences for the teacher and principle,,,,,but me,,,i would not let it go a bit,,, like nwest said,,,give them hell

[grouser68]

Hows it coming along Barney, any new info? May I ask what county your talking about, I may have kids there.

[duckslayer870]

Mini recorders are great for gathering Info epsecially if you have another face to face with the pricipal that tries to shut you down again. Just hit record and slip it into a jacket pocket.

[barney]

Hows it coming along Barney, any new info? May I ask what county your talking about, I may have kids there.
I had a meeting with the principals this morning, and requested my son be removed from the class. I also told them how I felt about this situation, and they did not deny any of my allegations. The beef I have with the principals is, I feel they have known about this for a while....and it was in the process of being covered up, my allegations of them knowing this was going on.... is the only thing they denied.

I do know, according to my son, 2 other students told a counselor about this teachers behavior 2 weeks ago, nothing was done. That is when the students took the matter into their own hands. They set up a sting last week and got proof of the teachers actions. When the teacher took a pic of one of the boys rears........they jumped up and questioned the legality of taking pic of their behinds....the heated conversation with the teacher was secretly being recorded on a cell phone... The boy that recorded it then sent it to all of the boys involved, just in case his phone was taken.....I have that disturbing conversation, and it leaves no doubt my son, and other kids were violated.

[grouser68]

I had a meeting with the principals this morning, and requested my son be removed from the class. I also told them how I felt about this situation, and they did not deny any of my allegations. The beef I have with the principals is, I feel they have known about this for a while....and it was in the process of being covered up, my allegations of them knowing this was going on.... is the only thing they denied.

I do know, according to my son, 2 other students told a counselor about this teachers behavior 2 weeks ago, nothing was done. That is when the students took the matter into their own hands. They set up a sting last week and got proof of the teachers actions. When the teacher took a pic of one of the boys rears........they jumped up and questioned the legality of taking pic of their behinds....the heated conversation with the teacher was secretly being recorded on a cell phone... The boy that recorded it then sent it to all of the boys involved, just in case his phone was taken.....I have that disturbing conversation, and it leaves no doubt my son, and other kids were violated.Thats some pretty serious stuff going on Barney!Just me thinking out loud, but you may want to break this story wide open to the law, and media before the "cover-up" hits high gear, if it has'nt already. But, It sounds like you have some pretty telling evidence already.I can understand why you would'nt want to release the info on where this is taking place, and I personally have'nt heard anything from here, but I am pretty sure we are from around the same area, so I do have concerns for my children.Due to certain members, I am not at liberty to say exactely where I live, but, if my children were in school at Rowan, Bath, Menifee, Nicholas,Powell,or Montgomery counties, should I have reason to worry? You can pm me the answer if you like. Dang, I hope everything works out well for your children, and I have a good feeling you may just be the one to ensure a positive outcome!

[Mepperson]

I've been watching this post wondering where it was headed because I teach middle school. Although kids clothing choices are a little out of whack today, it seems like the teacher is way out of line. On the other hand it is very frustrating to have kids that sag every day even though you correct them 2-3 times a day. If sent to the office, they just pull their pants up on the way and nothing much is done about it. I really don't like seeing students underwear sticking out of the jeans/shorts that are so low the crotch is below the knees. Even still, taking pictures of these students is crossing the line. There's much better ways of handling these things but that's not the way it should be handled. If everything that was said is true, it looks like we'll be hearing more about it sooner or later. Too bad this kind of thing happens, where are the priorities?

[killinmammals]

I'd have an lawyer listen, then the news listen, then hang them and listen to the bank account grow....even though I can understand where you wouldn't be worried about that. Plan and simple what they did was NOT right and I would make sure it wasn't kept on the hush...because if it is, this won't be the last time it happens...more children down the road might be subjected to the same treatment and what is to say they will speak out and be heard. You have the proof you need...be heard

[MsgMills]

I agree, if you keep it hush hush like the principle wants you to do. Then you in my opinion are just as guilty as the teacher taking the photo's.....

Let the entire world know what's going on so it can be stopped...Any Principle who would want to cover up the situation, does not have the welfare of the children as priority # 1...She / He seems to be trying to look out for themselves and no one else, especially since the school year is so close to an end.

[7mmx2]

I agree, if you keep it hush hush like the principle wants you to do. Then you in my opinion are just as guilty as the teacher taking the photo's.....

Let the entire world know what's going on so it can be stopped...Any Principle who would want to cover up the situation, does not have the welfare of the children as priority # 1...She / He seems to be trying to look out for themselves and no one else, especially since the school year is so close to an end.


I second that!!

[mason0366]

I would not care about hush money!!!!!! I would want everyone to know about it so it would not happen again! I think if the principal is covering it up the both should loose their jobs!!!!! They should not be allowed to teach anywhere!

[raven_over_easy]

If you cant get anywhere with the principal you may contact:
The Education Professional Standards Board (EPSB) is responsible for investigating and prosecuting all cases of educator misconduct. Kentucky statute KRS 161.028 stipulates that the EPSB has the authority to suspend or revoke the certificates of educators that engage in misconduct, or impose other conditions that protect the safety of students, and the integrity of the profession. EPSB annually processes more than 300 disciplinary cases and 250 character and fitness cases.

100 Airport Road, 3rd Floor
Frankfort, Kentucky 40601
Phone: (502) 564-4606
Fax: (502) 564-7080
Toll Free: (888) 598-7667
Contact the Division of Legal Services
http://www.kyepsb.net/legal/index.asp

[barney]

If you cant get anywhere with the principal you may contact:
The Education Professional Standards Board (EPSB) is responsible for investigating and prosecuting all cases of educator misconduct. Kentucky statute KRS 161.028 stipulates that the EPSB has the authority to suspend or revoke the certificates of educators that engage in misconduct, or impose other conditions that protect the safety of students, and the integrity of the profession. EPSB annually processes more than 300 disciplinary cases and 250 character and fitness cases.

100 Airport Road, 3rd Floor
Frankfort, Kentucky 40601
Phone: (502) 564-4606
Fax: (502) 564-7080
Toll Free: (888) 598-7667
Contact the Division of Legal Services
http://www.kyepsb.net/legal/index.asp
Thanks for that link raven, I knew they were out there, but didn't have a name or know how to contact them.