civilian security force

[Ky'sFinest]

thanks obama supporters!!:)



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[beards-n-bone]

Sounds like Hitlers youth program. He is creating a civilian security force. Unintentionally though.:) Tried finding ammo lately?

[AAAJohn]

Big neighborhood watch program so they can say help is as close as next door and we don't need anything for self defense.

[mrdux]

He will get ACORN to run it so he can keep a bit of separation between it and himself. I personally can't wait for Acorn to start pushing folks around. I bet brown shirts would make good targets. Just like powder blue UN helmets.

This crap is nothing more than their plan to continue to indoctrinate our kids and grandkids into their socialist/communist plan for our country. I, for one, have no intention to stand by and watch my grandkids be turned into good little commies. It may happen but it will be after they pry my last gun from my cold, dead hands!!

[grouser68]

WOW, great story by a seriously unbiased writer!:cool: NOT!http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2007/unruh.html

Seriously though, a little National Service by ALL Americans would'nt be a bad idea.Personally, imo, the draft should have never been abolished.There should also have been some type of Army run organization for all the 4F's to go for 2 years. Some type of program to have helped in support of the military, or community. Just my humble opinion though, largely based on the fact that Dad, and his 5 brothers were all drafted.

[CanisMajor]

Yup, keep drinking that Kool-Aid and ignoring the lessons of history, and history will surely repeat itself. But instead of brown shirts, maybe this iteration will feature rainbow shirts, or green shirts.

"German youth could join the Hitler Youth beginning at the age of 10. The organization was divided into two categories, one for members ages 10-14 and the other for members 14-18. The organizational structure was based on a military model, with squads, platoons, and companies.

Hitler was a firm believer in the need to indoctrinate Nazi ideology early and the power of young people in ensuring the continued vitality of the “Thousand Year Reich.” The Hitler Youth was based on Hitler’s anti-intellectualism, focusing on military training in preparation for becoming a soldier at 18.

Young German women were indoctrinated with the values of obedience, duty, self-sacrifice, discipline and physical self-control. The goal of girls in the BDM was to prepare women for motherhood and raise children who would be educated in the ways of National Socialism. They were indoctrinated with “racial pride” and told to avoid any contact with Jews."
Of course, this is from a biased source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitleryouth.html Dang those pesky Jews...

Was the video of our leader a biased source too?
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded. [applause from the mindless drones]

I guess the video was doctored.

My problem with this speech is that we already have a civilian national security force. It consists of millions upon millions of law-abiding citizens with firearms. Our founders called it the militia.

[Ky'sFinest]

WOW, great story by a seriously unbiased writer!:cool: NOT!http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2007/unruh.html

Seriously though, a little National Service by ALL Americans would'nt be a bad idea.Personally, imo, the draft should have never been abolished.There should also have been some type of Army run organization for all the 4F's to go for 2 years. Some type of program to have helped in support of the military, or community. Just my humble opinion though, largely based on the fact that Dad, and his 5 brothers were all drafted.


forced service sounds like something a free nation would do.:rolleyes: i don't believe in a draft unless the enemy is at our doorstep and it is absolutely needed to the future of this country.

slick wording is how hitler convinced the germans to join the nazis and kill jews. good speeches and polished rhetoric.


thanks obama supporters! cheers to the end!

[Ky'sFinest]

From Dr. Savage:

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=4862


OBAMA’S “VOLUNTEER CORPS”
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS JUST PASSED A PLAN TO SET UP A NEW “VOLUNTEER CORPS” IN THE UNITED STATES. THIS NEW “VOLUNTEER CORPS” WOULD WEAR “UNIFORMS.” IT WOULD BE TRAINED AT “CAMPUSES.” IT WOULD INCLUDE 250,000 “VOLUNTEERS.” DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, OBAMA REFERRED TO THE CREATION OF A “NATIONAL CIVILIAN SECURITY FORCE.” LET’S LISTEN TO HIS OWN WORDS.

CHILLING. BUT EVEN MORE CHILLING ARE SOME OF THE DESCRIPTIONS IN THE BILL ITSELF OF WHAT THIS NEW VOLUNTEER CORPS COULD BE. IT DISCUSSES THE POSSIBILITY THAT ALL INDIVIDUALS IN THE UNITED STATES MAY BE, EXPECTED TO PERFORM NATIONAL SERVICE” OR MAY BE “REQUIRED TO PERFORM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NATIONAL SERVICE." ACCORDING TO THE BILL, THIS WOULD, “STRENGTHEN THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF THE NATION AND OVERCOME CIVIC CHALLENGES BY BRINGING TOGETHER PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE ECONOMIC, ETHNIC, AND EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUNDS."

PERHAPS WHAT OBAMA IS AIMING FOR IS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THE YOUNG PIONEERS IN THE SOVIET UNION. THE YOUNG PIONEERS WERE A “SCOUTING” GROUP WHICH WAS USED TO INDOCTRINATE GENERATIONS OF RUSSIAN CHILDREN INTO COMMUNIST THINKING. OR POSSIBLY, IT’S BEING DESIGNED ALONG THE LINES OF THE NAZI S.A. THE S.A. WAS A POLITICAL ARMY WHICH PROTECTED THE NAZI PARTY LEADERSHIP, BATTLED POLITICAL OPPONENTS, AND TERRORIZED THE JEWS. ERNST ROHM, THE HEAD OF THE S.A. REJECTED CAPITALISM, PUSHED FOR THE NATIONALIZATION OF GERMAN INDUSTRY AND REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. PERHAPS THIS IS WHAT OBAMA HAS IN MIND.

[grouser68]

forced service sounds like something a free nation would do.:rolleyes: i don't believe in a draft unless the enemy is at our doorstep and it is absolutely needed to the future of this country.

slick wording is how hitler convinced the germans to join the nazis and kill jews. good speeches and polished rhetoric.


thanks obama supporters! cheers to the end!Forced service? Well, it was good enough for my Dad, and all my uncles, no complaints from them.So, our youth of today are a bit too good for the draft? They should just have freedom handed to them? What happens when good men, and women stop volunteering for the military? I would'nt be opposed at all to a draft, it would keep a stronger military, and might even help millions of young people to mature and have many life experiences that could help them in their futures.As I recall, Bush asked everyone in one of his State of the Union adrress' to take up the mantle of volunteerism, and do at least 2 years of some sort of community based service if they were'nt joining the Armed Forces!? As for the Obama plan, as with every word he says, your GREATLY exaggerating it again it seems.

[Ky'sFinest]

Forced service? Well, it was good enough for my Dad, and all my uncles, no complaints from them.So, our youth of today are a bit too good for the draft? They should just have freedom handed to them? What happens when good men, and women stop volunteering for the military? I would'nt be opposed at all to a draft, it would keep a stronger military, and might even help millions of young people to mature and have many life experiences that could help them in their futures.As I recall, Bush asked everyone in one of his State of the Union adrress' to take up the mantle of volunteerism, and do at least 2 years of some sort of community based service if they were'nt joining the Armed Forces!? As for the Obama plan, as with every word he says, your GREATLY exaggerating it again it seems.

your opinion. glad you aren't the supreme leader deciding what would be good for everyone else's lives for them.

slavery was good for plantation owners, you didn't hear them complain...

[grouser68]

your opinion. glad you aren't the supreme leader deciding what would be good for everyone else's lives for them.

slavery was good for plantation owners, you didn't hear them complain...I would commend you on a nice analogy, but it's apples and oranges........not even close to being the same!

[mgpatty]

I would commend you on a nice analogy, but it's apples and oranges........not even close to being the same!

Comparing service to our country in the military and involuntary servitude in a organization that is as well funded, powerful, and strong as our military is like comparing a ham sandwich to a orange. They are completely different. The very notion of a 'national sercurity force' seperate from our military that answers to politically appoionted citizens is not only dangerous, it goes against the very ideals of a free nation that our Founding Fathers envisioned. For that matter, many of the Founding Fathers believed that a standing army in times of peace was a threat to liberty. There are already community organizations that young adults can join if they so wish. What Obama wants to do is leaps and bounds beyond that. In his own words, he wants a National Security Force for Homeland Security that is not only seperate from the military but that is as strong, as powerful, and as well funded as the military. Any student of history or astute citizen should find this not only alarming, but downright absurd.

[maxcam]

Forced service? Well, it was good enough for my Dad, and all my uncles, no complaints from them.So, our youth of today are a bit too good for the draft? They should just have freedom handed to them? What happens when good men, and women stop volunteering for the military? I would'nt be opposed at all to a draft, it would keep a stronger military, and might even help millions of young people to mature and have many life experiences that could help them in their futures.As I recall, Bush asked everyone in one of his State of the Union adrress' to take up the mantle of volunteerism, and do at least 2 years of some sort of community based service if they were'nt joining the Armed Forces!? As for the Obama plan, as with every word he says, your GREATLY exaggerating it again it seems.

I have been into forced service since I was old enough to apply for a workers permit at the age of 15........

I figure for the last 20 years or so I have been indentured to the Federal State and Local governments to well over 50% of what I earn when you include sales tax, federal excise taxes, fuel surcharges and personal property taxes just to name a few......

So don't tell me what was good for one generation should be good for another......

[grouser68]

I have been into forced service since I was old enough to apply for a workers permit at the age of 15........

I figure for the last 20 years or so I have been indentured to the Federal State and Local governments to well over 50% of what I earn when you include sales tax, federal excise taxes, fuel surcharges and personal property taxes just to name a few......

So don't tell me what was good for one generation should be good for another......Far be it from me to ever tell you, or anyone else whats good for you.I would'nt do that, I merely voiced MY OPINION!

[Ky'sFinest]

that's the problem. all you "do gooders" opinions are going to hang us in the end. freedom is choice of whether or not to volunteer. their is no freedom in being made to do something. forced service is slavery, period.

freedom is getting harder to come by.

[Duster]

that's the problem. all you "do gooders" opinions are going to hang us in the end. freedom is choice of whether or not to volunteer. their is no freedom in being made to do something. forced service is slavery, period.

freedom is getting harder to come by.

And it would be a heck of a lot harder to come by without guys like Grouser willing to step up. Let me ask this question...What have you done to insure our freedom ?

[grouser68]

that's the problem. all you "do gooders" opinions are going to hang us in the end. freedom is choice of whether or not to volunteer. their is no freedom in being made to do something. forced service is slavery, period.

freedom is getting harder to come by.My opinions are hanging us? So your thinking maybe we should take your opinions, and carve them in stone for all the ages Obi-Wan?Thank God we still have freedom of speech! BTW- FREEDOM IS'NT FREE!Somebody pays!

[Rat]

I personally believe that all citizens should have to serve a 2 year term in the military once they are 21. I never have done this, but would have gladly served if I hadn't met my wife in college. Now that I have kids, I would not enlist unless there was a war on US soil. A friend of mine asked me why I would have wasted all of that money for college by enlisting when I got out. I asked him how it was a waste to serve for our country and that I wouldn't lose my degree just because I served. Some people don't get it and never will. I'm very proud of all the soldiers and military personnel.

With that being said, I do think that this civilian force is something to be concerned about. Sounds very familiar to the educational camps that Communists run. The military is one thing, but this is a whole different can of worms.

[CUZZIN]

And it would be a heck of a lot harder to come by without guys like Grouser willing to step up. Let me ask this question...What have you done to insure our freedom ?Very good point, I guess Ky,s contribution would be sitting behind the screen bashing others:rolleyes:

[mgpatty]

And it would be a heck of a lot harder to come by without guys like Grouser willing to step up. Let me ask this question...What have you done to insure our freedom ?

Very good point, I guess Ky,s contribution would be sitting behind the screen bashing others:rolleyes:


Well, according to Joe Biden you're a Patriot if you pay high taxes. That aside, there are many different ways to serve your country than service in the military. There are literally millions of proud Americans who serve their country daily who do not wear a military uniform. These people are also on the frontlines of national security. However, I fail to see what any of this has to do with the concept of a 'National Security Force' that is aside from the military or law enforcement. The topic of this thread was the concept of Indentured Servitude in a political organization (National Security Force) that is as strong, powerful, and well funded as our proud military. Those who support Obama are questionably silent about their thoughts in support of a National Security Force that would seemingly be in conflict with the ideal of a strong military and freedom.

[Ky'sFinest]

Well, according to Joe Biden you're a Patriot if you pay high taxes. That aside, there are many different ways to serve your country than service in the military. There are literally millions of proud Americans who serve their country daily who do not wear a military uniform. These people are also on the frontlines of national security. However, I fail to see what any of this has to do with the concept of a 'National Security Force' that is aside from the military or law enforcement. The topic of this thread was the concept of Indentured Servitude in a political organization (National Security Force) that is as strong, powerful, and well funded as our proud military. Those who support Obama are questionably silent about their thoughts in support of a National Security Force that would seemingly be in conflict with the ideal of a strong military and freedom.

right on.

it cracks me up all the people that think people should have to serve 2 years of military service but turn around to find out they never even volunteered themselves. makes no sense to me.

DUSTER-And it would be a heck of a lot harder to come by without guys like Grouser willing to step up. Let me ask this question...What have you done to insure our freedom ?



i stepped up and signed my name and finished my term of service last year duster. let me ask you a question... what have you done besides talk about grousers sacrifice to insure our freedom? i bet you are one of those that would volunteer other people but not do it yourself.


its more than opinion the fact that when a group of A and B's get together and forces C's to do something its tyrannical. this country was not created to force people to do anything (without a drastic situation at hand). what we are talking about is obama's plan for his secret service not a military draft to go fight.


OBAMA!!!! The Messiah!

[Foam Steak]

On another note, any of you read this article in the Washington Post?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032302830.html

Looks like they want to try and get the power to sieze non-bank financial companies. Taking a page from Hugo Chavez.

[mgpatty]

On another note, any of you read this article in the Washington Post?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032302830.html

Looks like they want to try and get the power to sieze non-bank financial companies. Taking a page from Hugo Chavez.

What do you expect from a Fabian Socialist and his followers. For those unfamiliar with Fabian Socialist ideals, here is a link to a 2008 Forbes commentary.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/03/obama-fabian-socialist-oped-cx_jb_1103bowyer.html

[Rat]

it cracks me up all the people that think people should have to serve 2 years of military service but turn around to find out they never even volunteered themselves. makes no sense to me.

So are you the type of person that has always done the right thing in your eyes? Have you ever not done something that you feel you should have? That is what I meant by saying that everyone should serve, and that I never have but should have. Seeing as I now have 3 kids and a wife that I solely support, it would be wrong for me to enlist. Also, if you look at the requirements, they would not take me because I have 4 dependents.

I also believe that people shouldn't be mean to other people. However, I have not lived up to that expectation myself. Just my thoughts and my beliefs. I'm not mad at you for your comment. Just wanted to explain why I said what I did.

[mgpatty]

A far better ideal is that our Commander-in-Chief should have military experience prior to taking the oath. :cool:

[Ky'sFinest]

So are you the type of person that has always done the right thing in your eyes? Have you ever not done something that you feel you should have? That is what I meant by saying that everyone should serve, and that I never have but should have. Seeing as I now have 3 kids and a wife that I solely support, it would be wrong for me to enlist. Also, if you look at the requirements, they would not take me because I have 4 dependents.

I also believe that people shouldn't be mean to other people. However, I have not lived up to that expectation myself. Just my thoughts and my beliefs. I'm not mad at you for your comment. Just wanted to explain why I said what I did.

so if your three kids were enlistment age you would be all for the government taking all three and sending them to Iraq or Afgan? or say we go to war with iran, or a escalating confrontation with china or russia.

i just don't think someone should shoot out opinions for other people to do something that they were not willing to do themselves. makes sense to me.

[Al]

And it would be a heck of a lot harder to come by without guys like Grouser willing to step up. Let me ask this question...What have you done to insure our freedom ?
The military only exhists because of tax payers. Every working citizen insures our freedom.

Why dosent somebody run the idea of a draft buy the dem party and see what happens.

I think that 2 yrs service for kids would build alot of charater and disclipine in them, especially if Grouser got ahold of them, but this Whitehouse wants to cut back the military not build it up.

[steelslinger]

Nation Security Force? Hmm, Maybe we should just keep the National Guard. Thats suppose to be their true role. But we use them like a reserve unit instead. Never understood that. Anyway......time for my rant!

Paying taxes? Are you kidding me?

I'm a combat vet, and I pay taxes also (you even pay them while you are in the armed forces). Should I be exempt from paying taxes because I stepped up to truly serve our country?

I mean, come on!! Paying taxes is considered "serving our country"? What a crock.

2 year manditory enlistment, I'm for it (yes I have children, 3 boys). Maybe get some hogwash crap flushed out of some heads that I'm sure some socialist teacher will put in their head by the time they get out of school (hopefully I can prevent that crap from penetrating the mind of my own children).

Some don't agree with that. It's ok, that's your opinion and you are free to express it. No thanks to the blood of those that gave you that freedom.

But never, ever, ever consider yourself in the same class of service to your country as those that sacrificed their freedom just because you paid taxes.

I don't look down on those that havn't served. They are my fellow countrymen.

All I ask is think before you speak, are you going to honor those that served or discrase them with the abuse of freedoms afforded you because of their sacrifce.

There are more ways to serve your country, but I don't consider paying taxes as one of them. Thats not serving, thats just supporting (willingly or not)

I'm going to shut up now, before I really get in deep.

[Duster]

right on.

it cracks me up all the people that think people should have to serve 2 years of military service but turn around to find out they never even volunteered themselves. makes no sense to me.




i stepped up and signed my name and finished my term of service last year duster. let me ask you a question... what have you done besides talk about grousers sacrifice to insure our freedom? i bet you are one of those that would volunteer other people but not do it yourself.


I left the day of high scool graduation in 1965 for the USAF...Did my time long before you were even thought about.

[Rat]

so if your three kids were enlistment age you would be all for the government taking all three and sending them to Iraq or Afgan? or say we go to war with iran, or a escalating confrontation with china or russia.

i just don't think someone should shoot out opinions for other people to do something that they were not willing to do themselves. makes sense to me.

If my kids were 18 and drafted, you can bet dam# sure that they would be going. If I was drafted I would go as well. I do not tolerate cry babies who say they will flee to Canada if there is a draft. It would tear me up to have my kids go in harms way but as a Proud US citizen I have to accept that it could happen whether it be their choice or the government's.

So have you ever done something that you think people shouldn't do, or not done something you feel people should have done? For instance, most people think that people shouldn't drive under the influence. However, most people have done that at least once. Most people don't believe that a person should have a right to verbally or physically hurt another person unless it is in self defense. I think that all of us have failed here. So if you share these same opinions but have gone against them does that mean you don't have a right to think that they shouldn't be done?

[Ky'sFinest]

I left the day of high scool graduation in 1965 for the USAF...Did my time long before you were even thought about.


oh you got me beat hoss. i just wasn't born yet so that makes you quicker and more patriotic than me.:rolleyes:

im not going to get in a p******g contest with you guys.

[cornbread]

They can take their 2 years and shove it. I don't owe anybody anything. When Regan was President I would've gladly signed up. But with the direction that this country is headed aint no way I would put myself in harms way for the curent administration.

[RUTNUT]

What obama is trying to do is get around the posse cumitatous act of 1878 which keeps any of the four branches of the military from enforcing civilian law in the u.s.

[ben hunting]

What obama is trying to do is get around the posse cumitatous act of 1878 which keeps any of the four branches of the military from enforcing civilian law in the u.s.

amen brother!
they know the people are getting tired of this garbage.:mad:

[Ky'sFinest]

They can take their 2 years and shove it. I don't owe anybody anything. When Regan was President I would've gladly signed up. But with the direction that this country is headed aint no way I would put myself in harms way for the curent administration.


exactly. obama lovers think everybody should serve the great leader. two year mandatory service sounds like something North Korea does.


i bet if bush came up with something like this they would be on the other side of the issue.:cool:

[steelslinger]

exactly. obama lovers think everybody should serve the great leader. two year mandatory service sounds like something North Korea does.


i bet if bush came up with something like this they would be on the other side of the issue.:cool:

Actully, there are many countries that require 2 years service (may not be a complete list) some are considered very respectible countries (some are not)

Albania
Armenia
Austria
Belarus
Bermuda
Brazil
China (PRC)
Colombia
Cyprus
Denmark
Egypt
Finland
Germany
Greece
Iran
Israel
South Korea
Mexico
Norway
Russia
Serbia
Singapore
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan (ROC)
Turkey
Ukraine

[mgpatty]

Actully, there are many countries that require 2 years service (may not be a complete list) some are considered very respectible countries (some are not)

Albania
Armenia
Austria
Belarus
Bermuda
Brazil
China (PRC)
Colombia
Cyprus
Denmark
Egypt
Finland
Germany
Greece
Iran
Israel
South Korea
Mexico
Norway
Russia
Serbia
Singapore
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan (ROC)
Turkey
Ukraine

What these countries mandate their citizens to do and what Obama wants our youth to do are totally different. Obama isn't wanting all young adults to serve in our military. He wants to require all youths to serve in a 'civilian' force that is as 'well funded, powerful, and as strong' as our military. Those are his words and his goal. National service in defense of your country in a branch of the military is one thing. Indentured Servitude in a 'civilian' force is something completely different.

[Ky'sFinest]

Actully, there are many countries that require 2 years service (may not be a complete list) some are considered very respectible countries (some are not)

Albania
Armenia
Austria
Belarus
Bermuda
Brazil
China (PRC)
Colombia
Cyprus
Denmark
Egypt
Finland
Germany
Greece
Iran
Israel
South Korea
Mexico
Norway
Russia
Serbia
Singapore
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan (ROC)
Turkey
Ukraine


thank god i live in america. where i am a not as free as we once were but still more free than most!

[Al]

thank god i live in america. where i am a not as free as we once were but still more free than most!
Ditto to that. I heard a conservative congresswoman on hannitys radio show saying that the fear the conservative minority in congress has now is that Obama is starting to signal that he is willing to make pacts with other countries to globalize our financial system.

Yesterday he said he wants to have the power to take over any business that he feels threatens our economic system.

Scary stuff this guy wants to do.

Europe is really ragging on us now because of what Obama is doing to the value of dollar and the central bank of China yesterday called for the end of the dollar.

Obama is very close to bankrupting us.

He wants to remove tax deductioins for charitable contributions and home mortgage intrest deductions.

Tyrany is knocking at our door in the form of over regulation and taxation to keep our liberty we have to remain informed and active.

[patiodaddy]

You know it only takes a spark to ignite a fire. I am wondering what will be the spark that ignites the fire that we make a move to get rid of Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Barney Fwank and the rest of the Lefty Bunch in this government and the country for that matter?

[Ky'sFinest]

more on the reeducation camps.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Expanded-Americorps-has-an-authoritarian-feel-41889742.html