Legend Moonshiner takes own life

[headoftheholler]

From FOX 17 Nashville:Widow: Moonshiner took his life to avoid prison
March 18, 2009 23:49 EDT

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- The man who regarded himself as the last of the true hillbillies has been buried after apparently committing suicide rather than going to prison for moonshining.

Marvin "Popcorn" Sutton of Parrottsville, Tenn., was 62. His wife says she came home Monday and found him dead in his old Ford. Authorities suspect carbon monoxide poisoning. Sutton had been ordered to report to federal prison in Georgia to serve 18 months after pleading guilty to illegally producing distilled spirits and being a felon in possession of a gun.

He was buried in his native North Carolina Wednesday in a pine coffin he bought years ago and kept in his bedroom.

Sutton wrote a book called "Me and My Likker," spelled with two "Ks," and recorded videos on how to make moonshine.

He got the knickname "Popcorn" because he once beat up a popcorn machine in a bar with a pool cue.
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/larryslamps/popcorn_sutton_1.jpg
If you are addicted to the History channel as I am you will recognize him. I think this is a real shame. Let the old man make what he wants to. I know technically moonshining is illegal, but don't we have more important issues at hand than cracking down on moonshiners?

[C.L.Button]

Bummer,,,,

I heard about this guy back in the day when I lived in Pike Co. Let's just hope somebody learned his process.

RIP Popcorn. :)

[patiodaddy]

Well, you know the old saying: "Nothing is illegal unless you get caught."

I will have to look for his book becauseI bet it has some good tales in it.

[trust me]

I don't know if he had a special recipe, but the the technique is alive and well.

Don't ask me how I know this.

[Matt722mx]

I saw something on CMT about him a couple of years ago. What a shame.

[KYBOY]

He reminds me a whole lot of my papaw..Same outfit, same weathered look and sunk eyes..Papaw just couldent grow a full beard because he had some much native american blood in both sides of his family..He was very dark skinned, only a little beard on his chin and chops. He was born in 1904, never went to school and made moonshine all thru the depression and later. Farmed on the side :D Papaw was 82 and looked like he was 140 from the life he had lead..
You can tell by that pic that Popcorns 62 years had been rough on him..

[BunnyBuster]

Sounds like he could do the crime but no the time.

[retiredbowhunter]

Sutton had been ordered to report to federal prison in Georgia to serve 18 months after pleading guilty to illegally producing distilled spirits and being a felon in possession of a gun.


http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/larryslamps/popcorn_sutton_1.jpg


No sympathy here....glad we did not have to pay his medical bills while he was being housed at the cross-bar motel in the years to come.

[KAHUNTER]

Wow that sucks!

[headoftheholler]

No sympathy here....glad we did not have to pay his medical bills while he was being housed at the cross-bar motel in the years to come.

If you knew anything at all about moonshiners, no doubt popcorn's "felony" was for shining and carrying a gun is a way of life in the mountains. I would rather my tax dollars go to paying his medical bills in prison for moonshining than some gangbanger drug dealer. Get a life.

[Kentuck]

It's a shame that his life wasn't worth more than 18 months. He'd probably find some intersting new techniques with distilling in the joint anyhow.

[quackrstackr]

I don't know if he had a special recipe, but the the technique is alive and well.

Don't ask me how I know this.

And you didn't bring any of this knowledge with you back in August? Shame, shame.

I expect a "class" the next time that you are over this way.

[C.L.Button]

I once heard tell that if you age some liquids in a Jim Beam barrel it makes something close to 190 proof Jim Beam ? :D

[Kentuck]

My Dad used to get barrel whiskey from someone. I can remember taking coffee filters and filtering it to get the wood and charcoal out of it.

[buckdroppings]

If you knew anything at all about moonshiners, no doubt popcorn's "felony" was for shining and carrying a gun is a way of life in the mountains. I would rather my tax dollars go to paying his medical bills in prison for moonshining than some gangbanger drug dealer. Get a life.

Really? Alcohol does as much bad to people as drugs from gangbangers. Popcorns legend is no different in the hills than some inner city kids fascination with a dope slinging gangbanger. Your response is hypocritical. I don't want my taxes waisted on law breakers period Popcorn or gangbanger. If you can't see that then you need to get a clue.

[buckdroppings]

I once heard tell that if you age some liquids in a Jim Beam barrel it makes something close to 190 proof Jim Beam ? :D

Barrel whiskey. I've had some and its good stuff. It has a harder flavor but it goes down smooth. Just add water let it sit in the sun making sure you rotate it to draw out of the wood as much as possible.

[Lady Hunter]

over coals too.

Liek someone said, don't ask how I know this!

[Ky'sFinest]

its just moonshine. the only reason the gov hounds it because the government politicians are the biggest thieves we got around here. they want your money to make them and their buddies rich. just like mary jane. never hurt anyone, but the gov can't get their greedy hands on it and control it.

[buckdroppings]

Your right. It boils down to politicians can't make anything on it so they create laws to limit it. That is any law that deals with certain substances.

It just burns me the way some guys on here go on the attack so quickly when someone voices an opposing opinion. Especially when it lends them to be a hypocrite. I like a lot of outlaws and the legends they create. Doesn't make it right especially when judgement can be skewed more by opinion than anything.

its just moonshine to some is, its just weed or coke or meth to someone else. To jump on a guy for his opinion is unnecessary. Debating the issues goes farther than attacking and laying judgement down. Which is the way I read the post.

[trust me]

And you didn't bring any of this knowledge with you back in August? Shame, shame.

I expect a "class" the next time that you are over this way.

We gave a lecture in a bar up in Wisconsin back in October. Took the appropriate study guidewith us, of course. Had one very eager student, a Wisconsin bartender who every year asks for instruction. This time, he got it.

When he said, "My feet are numb," we gave him an A+ and his wife put him to bed.

[gicts]

the price of his book on ebay is amazing. Nothing under $100

[philipfleek]

Thats a shame and hate to hear it.

[mgpatty]

Really? Alcohol does as much bad to people as drugs from gangbangers. Popcorns legend is no different in the hills than some inner city kids fascination with a dope slinging gangbanger. Your response is hypocritical. I don't want my taxes waisted on law breakers period Popcorn or gangbanger. If you can't see that then you need to get a clue.


It's true that the law is the law no matter the crime nor the person. However, I've never seen a gang bangen' moonshiner with his homies rolling in the 'hood. Nor have I ever heard of a driveby shooting because of 'hood disputes and moonshine sales. I've never seen whole neighborhoods go down the toliet because a group of moonshiners have moved in. I've never seen a whole list of victims (robbery, assault, etc) because the user of moonshine couldn't get his next fix. I've never seen women sell themselves so they could buy a shot of moonshine. The list could go on and on.

I believe in the upholding of the law, regardless of persons or intent. However, to say that the impact of the sale of untaxed alcohol is as great of a problem as illegal drug sales and use is to grossly play down the problem and impact of drugs in America.

[philipfleek]

Hang on, i'm gettin' the popcorn!

[corndogggy]

"Do you know how to make a frog drunk? I bet you don't. But I do. I fired my pot up one morning and got it going real good. It had just started running high shots. That is what you call it when it first starts to come out. For so many jugs, then it turns to backins. Anyway here come hopping up to the still a damn big frog. I thought to myself ol' boy I'll make you drunk as hell. I had heard all my life that a frog will absorb things through its skin. So I got me a can lid and caught me some of that high shots and I dropped it slowly on the old frogs back. Real soon its throat started to swell up and then all at once that frog started singing like hell. When he stopped singing he flopped over in the leaves and didn't move till I got done running that likker. I guess he passed out. Anyway when I come back the next morning to sweeten it back he was not there. I guess one good damn drunk taught him a lesson."
-- Popcorn, from his daughter's book

[headoftheholler]

Nice short clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nes5AXdwUWw

[headoftheholler]

Really? Alcohol does as much bad to people as drugs from gangbangers. Popcorns legend is no different in the hills than some inner city kids fascination with a dope slinging gangbanger. Your response is hypocritical. I don't want my taxes waisted on law breakers period Popcorn or gangbanger. If you can't see that then you need to get a clue.

its just moonshine to some is, its just weed or coke or meth to someone else.
Some of the best neighbors, friends, and all around good people I have known were old timer 'shiners. If you haven't lived or spent some time in the mountains you can't fully understand what good people they are. I've lived in the big cities in Georgia and got my full of wannabe gangbangers and crack heads. You really have no clue.

It's true that the law is the law no matter the crime nor the person. However, I've never seen a gang bangen' moonshiner with his homies rolling in the 'hood. Nor have I ever heard of a driveby shooting because of 'hood disputes and moonshine sales. I've never seen whole neighborhoods go down the toliet because a group of moonshiners have moved in. I've never seen a whole list of victims (robbery, assault, etc) because the user of moonshine couldn't get his next fix. I've never seen women sell themselves so they could buy a shot of moonshine. The list could go on and on.

I believe in the upholding of the law, regardless of persons or intent. However, to say that the impact of the sale of untaxed alcohol is as great of a problem as illegal drug sales and use is to grossly play down the problem and impact of drugs in America.
Great points!

[buckdroppings]

Alcohol is a drug too. As a member of a family that it helped destroy YOU don't have a clue. It has destroyed as many or more lives as drugs maybe not as violently in modern times, but just as many.

Popcorn was a criminal. May have been a nice guy along with many others like him but he was a criminal. He also was a cowherd for taking the easy way out instead of serving his time. I don't know about moonshining but if he was making it illegally and making it for a profit then he was a drug dealer to me. Was he selling it to drunks and alcoholics? Did those drunks and alcoholics have families? Did teenagers get the stuff and get loaded up on the weekends? Were those families negatively impacted by the sell of that alcohol he furnished. If he was cookin' for his personal use then fine he ain't hurting no one but himself, don't make it right but its just him. I find that hard to believe.

Substance abuse is the same across the board. I've spent most of my life cleaning up after people that have these problems. City and country folk. MGPatty you are right about what you have NEVER seen, to a point. But alcohol, not moonshiners, in many cases is the match to the gasoline that starts most substance abuse. Legal or illegal. Every drunk driving fatality comes from a moonshiner, legal made or not!

[buckdroppings]

Oh and about not knowing or spending time in the mountains to know those folks. My family like many on here are ridgerunners and briarhoppers from the top of the hills on down. I know the people you speak of and they are good folk. don't mean they are without fault though. Especially when somebody stupid gets hold of this stuff and does harm.

[Haves]

its just moonshine. the only reason the gov hounds it because the government politicians are the biggest thieves we got around here. they want your money to make them and their buddies rich. just like mary jane. never hurt anyone, but the gov can't get their greedy hands on it and control it.


That and if it's made wrong it can kill you or make you blind...anyhow...carry on.

[lymanl3]

RIP popcorn...must have been a golfer too!

[KYhunter79]

Comparing alcohol to crack is apples to oranges. Alcohol is more harmful to our society and families than marijuana though. Substance abuse is not all created equal, imo.

[mgpatty]

Alcohol is a drug too. As a member of a family that it helped destroy YOU don't have a clue. It has destroyed as many or more lives as drugs maybe not as violently in modern times, but just as many.

Popcorn was a criminal. May have been a nice guy along with many others like him but he was a criminal. He also was a cowherd for taking the easy way out instead of serving his time. I don't know about moonshining but if he was making it illegally and making it for a profit then he was a drug dealer to me. Was he selling it to drunks and alcoholics? Did those drunks and alcoholics have families? Did teenagers get the stuff and get loaded up on the weekends? Were those families negatively impacted by the sell of that alcohol he furnished. If he was cookin' for his personal use then fine he ain't hurting no one but himself, don't make it right but its just him. I find that hard to believe.

Substance abuse is the same across the board. I've spent most of my life cleaning up after people that have these problems. City and country folk. MGPatty you are right about what you have NEVER seen, to a point. But alcohol, not moonshiners, in many cases is the match to the gasoline that starts most substance abuse. Legal or illegal. Every drunk driving fatality comes from a moonshiner, legal made or not!

Not to belittle what you have experienced, but I too have seen first hand the problems that substance abuse has caused. But to say that untaxed alcohol and it's abuse is as bad as the illegal drug trade and use in America is just about laughable. I have first hand experience with the some of the worst drug dealers that America has to offer. I have also seen the occasional 'moonshiner' as well. Without question, the dope pushers are far worse when it comes to violent crime. They, without exception, have had previous, more serious charges against them (some proven, others not). They literally rape their neighborhoods of prosperity thru their illegal trade. Whole neighborhoods become little more than war zones once the pushers and gangbangers (They go hand and hand. Where you find one you'll find the other) get their claws into them. I have yet to see 'moonshiners' who fit the criteria to which I have described. In today's culture, the typical 'moonshiner' doesn't make the product to sell. There is no reason to, as there are literally dozens of legal liquor stores throughout SmalltownUSA. Most (more than likely so was 'Popcorn') make moonshine for personal consumption. The literal 'crime' being committed is that the end product is untaxed. If it were taxed in accordance with Federal Statue, the 'moonshiner' would be no be a criminal than the distillers throughout Kentucky and Tennsessee. The same cannot be said about the drug pushers. What about the folks who like to make wine for personal consumption? Are they criminals in your eyes? What about those who like to make beer at home for personal comsuption? Are they criminals as well?
As far as if he was making it for his own use or not, you do not have a clue. You admit as much.
Buckdropping, you seem to be talking about the end user of illegal products. I am referring to the the pushers of the illegal product. Those who push illegal drugs are far more dangerous to our society than a moonshiner like Popcorn. Both are illegal, however both crimes are not the same in that the impact of one is MUCH greater than the other.

[buckdroppings]

Not to belittle what you have experienced, but I too have seen first hand the problems that substance abuse has caused. But to say that untaxed alcohol and it's abuse is as bad as the illegal drug trade and use in America is just about laughable. I have first hand experience with the some of the worst drug dealers that America has to offer. I have also seen the occasional 'moonshiner' as well. Without question, the dope pushers are far worse when it comes to violent crime. They, without exception, have had previous, more serious charges against them (some proven, others not). They literally rape their neighborhoods of prosperity thru their illegal trade. Whole neighborhoods become little more than war zones once the pushers and gangbangers (They go hand and hand. Where you find one you'll find the other) get their claws into them. I have yet to see 'moonshiners' who fit the criteria to which I have described. In today's culture, the typical 'moonshiner' doesn't make the product to sell. There is no reason to, as there are literally dozens of legal liquor stores throughout SmalltownUSA. Most (more than likely so was 'Popcorn') make moonshine for personal consumption. The literal 'crime' being committed is that the end product is untaxed. If it were taxed in accordance with Federal Statue, the 'moonshiner' would be no be a criminal than the distillers throughout Kentucky and Tennsessee. The same cannot be said about the drug pushers. What about the folks who like to make wine for personal consumption? Are they criminals in your eyes? What about those who like to make beer at home for personal comsuption? Are they criminals as well?
As far as if he was making it for his own use or not, you do not have a clue. You admit as much.
Buckdropping, you seem to be talking about the end user of illegal products. I am referring to the the pushers of the illegal product. Those who push illegal drugs are far more dangerous to our society than a moonshiner like Popcorn. Both are illegal, however both crimes are not the same in that the impact of one is MUCH greater than the other.

I agree with these points. You are right it is not a fair and equal comparison. My argument got off the beaten path by trying to argue an inaccurate comparison. The original snide remarks came when a guy posted he was glad popcorn saved us the tax money, harsh to say the least.

such is life and to each their own.

[matewsq2]

well i'd rather see my kids drink a little shine as useing meth with fertilizer an draino in it myself but thats m.o..now my ?is where i'm i gonna get my shine now ?

[barney]

This is one of the still sites here on the farm....there are 2 that I have found through the years. This site has a story though.

We had a neighbor who made shine to support his family, back in the late 40's and early 50's, and this is the very site where he almost got caught by the G-men. Seems him, and his partner were running a batch here, where the photo was taken. He bent over to put more wood in the furnace, and as he did he saw legs through the under brush, at that very instant he ran up the hill with everything he had in him. He ran up the mountain as hard as he could go with a G-man right on his tail. He said the guy almost had him once on a steep slope, but he stratled a hoe handled sized hickory pushing it to the ground. When he cleared it......it sprung back slapping the law man in the face, and he got away. He said he continued to the top of the mountain, where he sat and watched the G-men load his partner into their car. When he went back to the still, it had been destroyed with an axe and the "worm" was gone.

Scared, but not to be out done, he ordered another coil of copper for another worm. He said he stayed close to home for 2 weeks, waiting on the mailman to deliver the copper coil, so he could secretly get it out of sight. He said his wife had been nagging him for a week to go to town, so he thought he would rush her to town, and get back before the mailman came. He said as rounded the curve and his house was in sight....so was the glow on that big coil of copper hanging on his mail box......

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff95/barney097/propertyline040.jpg

[scratch]

Cool story barney

[droopy]

i know a man in the mountain's i get a jar from every now and then,early 90's,nice as can be.when i go over his wife insists i stay for supper as i've known them for several years.he is a retired miner,does'nt need the money now just makes a little for certain friends but during the depression he said if it was'nt for moonshine him and his family would have starved to death.

[JDMiller]

Barney...seeing your pics.. we have an old still site on our place. Pieces of the steel barrels are still there complete with axe marks where the site was busted up. Also several rings from wooden barrels laying around.

I'm heading to the farm tomorrow to do a little yote hunting. I may slip down there and take a few pics. It was situated in a cedar thicket with a year round spring. The position of this site was good... had a good get-away route but yet no one could slip up on it without the still operators seeing you coming.

[Ky'sFinest]

blaming alcohol abusers problems on alcohol is like blaming gun violence on guns.

[trust me]

i know a man in the mountain's i get a jar from every now and then,early 90's,nice as can be.when i go over his wife insists i stay for supper as i've known them for several years.he is a retired miner,does'nt need the money now just makes a little for certain friends but during the depression he said if it was'nt for moonshine him and his family would have starved to death.

That was true for a lot of Depression-era people. My mother had an uncle that would load up his team of mules and all his supplies and head into the hills for a week or two, ever how long it took to run his batches. When he would come out, his jars of whiskey would be lined up in the wagon, padded with straw. He would be pretty ripe after a all that work, so he would pay my mother a quarter to boil his clothes with lye soap in the big pot outside. Mom said it would gag her, but a quarter was a quarter, so she did it.

Uncle Bill stayed with Mom's family and he paid his room and board, plus some, by selling his whiskey locally. Mom said people would arrive from far and near, asking specifically if Uncle Bill had made the product. They knew he wasn't running his liquor through an old radiator or oil drum.

He was known to run the cleanest still around. He had to. He had a famously weak stomach, and if anything nasty got around his presence he would throw his guts up. He once saw a man take his false teeth out and rinse them off under the well pump. Uncle Bill immediately turned around and hurled in the flower bed. "I saw them tushes, and lost ever bit of that good whiskey I just had drunk," he said.

My father's brother also made whiskey in Lincoln Co in the 50's, in sight of Crab Orchard. He made good whiskey too, so I hear, but I rather suspect he drank more than he sold. By that time work was readily available and you didn't have to depend on whiskey to feed your family.

[JDMiller]

Heres a few pics I took today of the still that was on our place. Dont know any of the history behind it except when it was raided... they didnt catch anyone.

I thought about cleaning this mess up...but just could'nt bring mysef to do it. Neat little piece of history.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/JDMiller1967/still4.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/JDMiller1967/still3.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/JDMiller1967/still2.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/JDMiller1967/still5.jpg

[KYBOY]

My papaw hid his last one inside a double wall in a big smoke house. The smoke was easily explained by the hanging meat ;) . He was the real deal. :cool: The one before that was in a big dug hole.He ran it at night so you couldent see the smoke..
There are still several shine makers in eastern,kentucky..Its not like it used to be though.Not just anyone can go buy it. They really dont do it for money. Mostly to keep the radition alive. Thats why you have to be family or a friend to get it.

[barney]

Heres a few pics I took today of the still that was on our place. Dont know any of the history behind it except when it was raided... they didnt catch anyone.

I thought about cleaning this mess up...but just could'nt bring mysef to do it. Neat little piece of history.
Thanks JD, Those picks bring back memories of bygone days. The people in the know........ say the tradition is still flurishing around these parts. But, like KYBOY says, its hidden behind walls instead of behind trees.

[luvstohunt45]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inbmJy0xJgk&feature=channel

[rcurry]

I don’t condone "abuse" of alcohol, but a little use can be good for you and I don’t believe will send ya to hell. I am very sorry to hear of this latest sad episode in Popcorn’s life.
As for Popcorn being considered such a terrible person by some of you, well your entitled to your opinion same as I am. I feel that it wasn’t such a bad crime as far as making moonshine goes. Alcohol IS legal (while crack is not). Our Government seems to get upset over the shiners making money off of their product and not paying taxing on it. As far as I can tell when the ingredients and various supplies to make it are purchased taxes ARE paid.

[coorsdrifter1]

Saw him in his truck one time while I was traveling thru that area.Had "Pop corn and Ma' corn" written on a little sign sitting in the window.

[Xi Bowhunter]

That is a sad thing to take your own life over. Moonshine is a way of life for some people, but they have to realize at some point it is a crime. He should have know the risks all along, but I can't help to feel sad for the guy taking his life over 18 months in jail.

[barney]

That is a sad thing to take your own life over. Moonshine is a way of life for some people, but they have to realize at some point it is a crime. He should have know the risks all along, but I can't help to feel sad for the guy taking his life over 18 months in jail.
He was a free spirit.......ain't many left!;)

[Ky'sFinest]

He was a free spirit.......ain't many left!;)


ain't that the truth!;)

[Kybowhunter2]

I personally would like to hear more storys and see more pics on moonshining. I think it's pretty cool to hear and see them pics. I don't know I guess it's just neat to imagine what it was like.

[brickmaster1248]

He was a free spirit.......ain't many left!;)

thats right! He basically gave the Feds a big middle finger his whole life. At least he can say that he died a free man doing what he had every right to do that a govement legislated him out of.

[retiredbowhunter]

thats right! He basically gave the Feds a big middle finger his whole life. At least he can say that he died a free man doing what he had every right to do that a govement legislated him out of.


He either plead guilty....or was convicted by a jury of his peers....he was CRIMINAL just the same. :D

[Split_Ear]

No sympathy here....glad we did not have to pay his medical bills while he was being housed at the cross-bar motel in the years to come.

He either plead guilty....or was convicted by a jury of his peers....he was CRIMINAL just the same. :D

you must be a cop.

[philipfleek]

He either plead guilty....or was convicted by a jury of his peers....he was CRIMINAL just the same. :D

I posted this awhile ago for retired bowhunter and it still stands...http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/philipfleek/Bigbaby.jpg






And he is a cop! (retired)

cry baby!

[headoftheholler]

I posted this awhile ago for retired bowhunter and it still stands...http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/philipfleek/Bigbaby.jpg


Quote:
Originally Posted by retiredbowhunter http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/showthread.php?p=740348#post740348)
No sympathy here....glad we did not have to pay his medical bills while he was being housed at the cross-bar motel in the years to come.

Quote:
Originally Posted by retiredbowhunter http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/showthread.php?p=741283#post741283)
He either plead guilty....or was convicted by a jury of his peers....he was CRIMINAL just the same. :D





And he is a cop! (retired)

cry baby!
Typical overzealous, alpha male, GI Joe LEO.

[retiredbowhunter]

Come on guys...Can't you do better than that??

[philipfleek]

Come on guys...Can't you do better than that??

Can... BUt it works the way ya do!:p:p

[brickmaster1248]

He either plead guilty....or was convicted by a jury of his peers....he was CRIMINAL just the same. :D

He was only a criminal due to the stroke of a mans pen and his refusal of unfair taxation. A society made criminal.....As well as we all will be before much longer unless one wants to live as a slave with the sheep.

[turkeytalker]

Come on guys...Can't you do better than that??


I could but i reserve my anti posts for the one who continues to brag about being able to carry anywhere anytime. To my knowledge you don't shove your plight down everyone's throat as much as

[Ky'sFinest]

He was only a criminal due to the stroke of a mans pen and his refusal of unfair taxation. A society made criminal.....As well as we all will be before much longer unless one wants to live as a slave with the sheep.


if it wasn't for guys like him we wouldn't even have what little of the country we have left. if was guys like him that broke the allegiance to the crown.

[Huntinis4me]

Wish I could of got hold of his recipe. My grandfather used to run some off
years ago. And it was GOOD, clear, liquor from what I was told. I would like to try to make some, just to see how it would turn out. To me, the only thing illegal about it, is the goverment can't get their meat-hooks in it
to get their tax dollars. " Untaxed liquor" is what is all about.