My plot

[Lewis]

Ok...Finally got some of my plot sewed. Red clover, White clover, wheat mix in one field and some orchard grass up the hollow. I got it all out last weekend so this rain should help. What type of results should I see this fall as far as how much should come up? What will the orchard grass and clover do durring this winter? My other plots are in places that have to be dry before I can get the tractor to them so I have not got to do anything to those. I was planning on disking one old small pasture and sewing some ladino clover in it. Is it to late to do that now? If not how long do I have? Thanks for the help....

[Multidigits]

Shouldn't have planted orchard grass, but it's too late now. Your wheat should spout in about a week, as ground moisture is good.

Your late on the other plots. I'd plant some winter hardy oats or more wheat and frost seed the clover in Feb. You can plant those till the end of Oct. (depending on the season).

[Lewis]

What is wrong with the orchard grass? I read that it is considered a native grass and it grows in clumps. I thought this was a good thing. Will the clover that I planted be ok? What is frost seed? Thank you for your help multi

[KYhunter]

I'm with Multi on that orchard grass. We sowed it in one plot a couple years back and it took over and the deer really never used it as a food source. Kinda hard to get rid of- won't make that mistake again.

[Multidigits]

That's right, it will eventually over take your patch. Deer don't eat grass much. For now, let it go a year or two, then plow it up and re-do it with something. The clover you planted now will do OK. Fertilize with 0-19-19 or something without Nitrogen. Your PH should be over a 6 for best results.

To frosty seed, just sow your clover on the ground on a frosty morning before the frost melts. The freezing and thawing action in Feburary will take the seed into the ground. Clover only needs to be in contact with the soil and no more than 1/4" deep. Your wheat will be thin until spring, but will finish out good by turkey season.

[mossyhorns]

I planted wheat and Ladino last week with a no-till grass drill and it came up in 3 days. Drilled it right into standing weeds and fescue. Sprayed some of the fescue with roundup. After frost, everything else will stop growing except the wheat. In the spring if I keep the plots mowed, the clover should stay ahead of what fescue is left.

Wheat and clover are about as cheap and easy a food plot as you can make. The wheat will grow during the winter and deer love it. Come spring, the clover will kick in and take them through summer. I'd go ahead and sow your clover and put some wheat with it. Then, as Multi said, sow more clover over the top in February. As the old timers would say, "you can't get a stand of grass if you don't sow the seed."

[Lewis]

My wheat and clover have both already came up. The orchard grass that I sewed is in the bottom of the holler. It lays kind of wet in places and does not see a whole lot of sun. I did not think that anything else would grow very good there so that was my reasoning behind it. can I fertilize and lime this winter sometime? Will it hurt the stuff that has came up?

[Multidigits]

You can lime anytime. Fertilize now. Just don't go crazy with it or you'll burn it. Use a low or no nitrogen varity such as 0-20-20 or 0-19-19. Clover doesn't get nitrogen from the soil.

[Lewis]

Ok...I hope I am not wearing you out over this but could you please tell me how many pounds of fert per acre I need. Thank you so much for your help.

[Lewis]

Never mind on the Lbs per acre, I searched around a little and found out. About 200 right? Now. I have called all the local farm supplys and none of them have any fert without nitrogen. Closest thing I could find was 6-24-24. Will this work?

[Multidigits]

That'll work OK.

[perry_max]

If you want to have deer attracted to a field to hunt wheat works best.If you want healthy deer ladino clover is great.Deer don't much care for the clover after 1st frost.It will get limp and soggy,wheat will stay attractive,even after snow melts.