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mwezell
02-28-2009, 08:12 PM
Should UK keep or fire BCG? Come on...I want names. In two years..or less, we can all look back and see who was right and who was wrong about him.;)---Mike Ezell
chasinhornsnfans
02-28-2009, 08:14 PM
keep him, no doubt keep him. he's a great coach thats won some games with 2 players
I assume you mean after this season, 08-09? I think you have to keep him. It's not fair to only give a coach 2 years. Remember how bad people hated Brooks after his second year?
If we are in this same boat 365 days from now, and Meeks and Patterson are still on the team (Meeks will be for certain;)), then we might look to give him the ax.
I do think there needs to be some adjustments made on all sides at the conclusion of this season.
Fat Tony
02-28-2009, 08:23 PM
We are stuck at this point...warts and all. He's ours for 2 more years. Better hope he gets enough players that his coaching and/or drinking doesn't get in the way.
GSPonGrouse
02-28-2009, 08:27 PM
Keep him. This will be another 20 win season and the future is bright. I would like to know what kind of expectations people had for this year. You knew what was coming back and could not have expected the new guys to add that much.
WildmanWilson
02-28-2009, 08:27 PM
I say give him a couple more years....but then the highway if we are in the same boat. From what I see he isnt much of a coach. Too set in his ways. Just like the way he WILL NOT play a zone....ever. With this team there have been many times a zone would have been much better. The only way he's going to look like a great coach is having great players to make him look good. He cant take a fair team and win against subpar competition. Only two offensive plays in his book....drive it into Pat and run Meeks around until he can get the ball and shoot. This isnt going to get it done. I dont like the way he puts the blame on the players everytime we lose. Thats just tacky to me. He's the coach and I say he's the one not doing his job.....
mwezell
02-28-2009, 08:29 PM
I assume you mean after this season, 08-09? I think you have to keep him. It's not fair to only give a coach 2 years. Remember how bad people hated Brooks after his second year?
If we are in this same boat 365 days from now, and Meeks and Patterson are still on the team (Meeks will be for certain;)), then we might look to give him the ax.
I do think there needs to be some adjustments made on all sides at the conclusion of this season.
Art, the poll only has two choices. With all of the talk..good and bad about how he is doing as coach, I want us all to take a position on it. A lot of people feel very strongly one way or the other and this is the chance to see who was right or wrong about him. I set the poll to expire after the 2011 NCAA tourney. That'll give time to see whether the program is headed in the right direction. Don't ride the fence by saying you'd look at things later. Vote what you think of him as of now. This might be fun later on.:)--Mike Ezell
Art, the poll only has two choices. With all of the talk..good and bad about how he is doing as coach, I want us all to take a position on it. A lot of people feel very strongly one way or the other and this is the chance to see who was right or wrong about him. I set the poll to expire after the 2011 NCAA tourney. That'll give time to see whether the program is headed in the right direction. Don't ride the fence by saying you'd look at things later. Vote what you think of him as of now. This might be fun later on.:)--Mike Ezell
There wasn't a poll up when I posted:o So, I say keep him for a while.
Fat Tony
02-28-2009, 08:38 PM
People can't really want him gone after this year, can they? I can't stand him. Didn't like his coaching style at A&M and really don't like his personality quirks and all his off court interests. Also not a fan whatsoever of coaches who think you recruit a bunch of top players and then just roll the ball out there to play man to man and out athlete the other team. Bugs the ever-loving heck out of me. That being said, he leaves now, program is totally screwed.
CSS archer
02-28-2009, 08:40 PM
I say send him back, let the janitor coach a while....
mwezell
02-28-2009, 08:48 PM
There wasn't a poll up when I posted:o So, I say keep him for a while.
UK has a policy that they won't have a BB coach over 70.:D Really! they put it in after Rupp.---Mike Ezell
buckdroppings
02-28-2009, 09:44 PM
I don't like his coaching but I'm willing to give him another year. Unless he gets a decent pointguard or another shooter he don't have a chance.
bowhunter08
02-28-2009, 09:49 PM
Gotta give him another year. If he could get them to play like he did in the 2nd half every game we wouldn't be having the poll. JMO
Scott7m
02-28-2009, 11:16 PM
keep him.............. he'll do well!
duckslayer870
03-01-2009, 12:13 AM
I think He's doing better than LARDY, I mean tubby did, these boys are mostly young and need time under a coach to any good. Tubby couldnt recruit for beans and he really wasnt as great as he was billed to be and we got spoiled with pitino.
Mepperson
03-01-2009, 08:30 AM
I set the poll to expire after the 2011 NCAA tourney. --Mike Ezell
Why? Do you think they ever will get in? I'm beginning to lose faith, not just in the coach but in the players too. But I guess that's the coaches fault too.
raktrakr
03-01-2009, 09:55 AM
All I'm saying is you cant go far with a team relying on two shooters
Scott7m
03-01-2009, 10:24 AM
Why? Do you think they ever will get in? I'm beginning to lose faith, not just in the coach but in the players too. But I guess that's the coaches fault too.
So let me get this straight? All but 3-4 of his players would do well to play at Morehead State? Yet he's supposed to make them look good because he's a coach? A coach can't create talent!
A little off topic, but I can't figure why Galloway and/or Miller doesn't just run the point every game. Not that they are great at it....but seemingly the best we have for now?
I think you keep him for now. He is strapped for experienced talent this year, but its coming. The big men are thin and rebound stats show it and points are just hard to come by....that won't be the case in 9 months I don't think. I'm not seeing improvements from Tubby years, but I am seeing a glimmer in the tunnel that I didn't before. Considering we have one senior that doesn't play, and his recruitment has been fairly impressive....give him more time. At some point if the talent is great and the coaching is not....maybe we re-think.
beard-hunter
03-01-2009, 10:51 AM
I say give him at least two more years then evaluate the program. If he is not bringing in talent and graduating the kids that don't go pro, it's time for a long talk. Barnhardt stated yesterday that he is not on the hot seat.
Fat Tony
03-01-2009, 10:53 AM
Agreed. BTW, anyone else think its curious that he is still holding the contract and has refused to submit a signed copy to the university?
pentail
03-01-2009, 11:06 AM
I say give him at least two more years then evaluate the program. If he is not bringing in talent and graduating the kids that don't go pro, it's time for a long talk. Barnhardt stated yesterday that he is not on the hot seat.
ANY time an AD has to make a public statement that a coach is "not on the hot seat" then the coach is, or there would not be need to make the statement in the first place. I say give him a little time. he could use a few PR lessons though. If he were more likeable on and off the court, the losses might be a little easier to take.
If Mitch couldn't stand up to Tubby for dropping 13 games a year and going consecutive seasons of being swept by multiple SEC teams, I think Gillispie is safe.
Ky'sFinest
03-01-2009, 11:19 AM
i like BCG, but i don't like the idea that harris and porter will be back next year and the thought of them being starters over a certain others on the bench makes me cringe.
porter should not be a starter. < big period
i think billy is statring to learn what it is going to take to win ball games.
Fat Tony
03-01-2009, 11:20 AM
Well that is nice, Art. This will be 13 losses each of the last 2 years, too.
Well that is nice, Art. This will be 13 losses each of the last 2 years, too.
I guess the difference is I understand where and when the trend started, and it wasn't in April of 07 saddled up to the bar at Malone's with a fifth of Bourbon.
BGTURKEYHUNTER
03-02-2009, 05:33 AM
BCG,,,,lets see now...He is a terrible rep for UK. I have rocks in my yard that have better manners than he does. He has let at least 2 players publicly disobey his request as a coach and he backed down to them. I dont know if that shows weakness or stupidty or both. He refuses to play any kind of zone even when his best defensive players constantly get beat off the dribble in the paint. With all that said even the best teams with the best coaches and best preperation still have off nights and get beat. I dont think the losses upset me as much as his smart azzz interviews to the media and how he is always talking about teaching and how you have to compete. Maybe if the team isnt learning the teacher doesnt have the ability to teach??
JMO........Get a coach
yote hunter
03-02-2009, 07:50 AM
keep him around and let him have HIS recruits.how many of you guys where ready to can Brooks after 2 seasons.
ptbrauch
03-02-2009, 09:05 AM
Take a look at all the "firsts" BCG has accomplished so far while at UK and tell me why he should still be the coach.
For example, are you aware that he is the first coach in all 100+ years to have 4 home losses in back to back seasons?
The worst loss by UK in the SEC--didn't we used to own that conference?
patiodaddy
03-02-2009, 09:27 AM
Keep him! He get's a pass until the end of his 4th year. If we could keep Rich Brooks around as long as we have, Billy should get the same opportunity.
turk2di
03-02-2009, 09:54 AM
I assume you mean after this season, 08-09? I think you have to keep him. It's not fair to only give a coach 2 years. Remember how bad people hated Brooks after his second year?
If we are in this same boat 365 days from now, and Meeks and Patterson are still on the team (Meeks will be for certain;)), then we might look to give him the ax.
I do think there needs to be some adjustments made on all sides at the conclusion of this season.
I agree on the 2 years. I was amazed at the people calling for Brooks head so early on. You have to give a coach 3-5 years in my opinion. Im not happy with BG. I didn't vote in the poll because i feel you have to give him at least another year, but i don't feel we are on the right track!
Ky'sFinest
03-02-2009, 12:48 PM
Take a look at all the "firsts" BCG has accomplished so far while at UK and tell me why he should still be the coach.
For example, are you aware that he is the first coach in all 100+ years to have 4 home losses in back to back seasons?
The worst loss by UK in the SEC--didn't we used to own that conference?
why don't you check out tubby's firsts. not just the good ones. pitino was one of the best coaches at uk and he took more than 1.5 seasons to do it. talk about unreal expectations. no wonder all of america thinks uk's fan are ridiculous.
who do you think should be coaching uk right now or next year?
maxcam
03-02-2009, 01:56 PM
All I can say is that BG has better numbers than Obama and that is good enough for me!
treed in ky
03-02-2009, 06:07 PM
Keep im' it is going to be a 20 win season which is better than last years record which means an improvement happen. I would like to see some tougher teams played and not the wimpy teams like FAU.
Shiz-Nit
03-02-2009, 06:22 PM
Keep him. The guy does not even have all of his own players. Most of the team is Tubby left over’s.
slickhead slayer
03-02-2009, 07:03 PM
Take a look at all the "firsts" BCG has accomplished so far while at UK and tell me why he should still be the coach.
For example, are you aware that he is the first coach in all 100+ years to have 4 home losses in back to back seasons?
The worst loss by UK in the SEC--didn't we used to own that conference?
The guy has recruited more 5 star players in a year and a half than Tubby did in 10 years.
Gillispie has recruited
Liggins
Patterson
Hood
Orton
Legion
Ferguson
All were or have been 5 stars at some point. Thats pretty amazing for such a short time.
Most fans are casual fans, and to the casual fan, I can see why you would be upset. But if you follow recruiting, you would know a better story. We have Orton coming in next year, who is a Top 5 player in the nation, Pilgrim who is a beast, Hood who is a top 25 player nationally, GJ Villarino who is a PG, and they are still recruiting.
The bad news, thats 4 new players, and there may be more. But we only lose 1 player, and thats Jared Carter. So where do the Schollys come from? It means some guys won't be here. No doubt Williams is either gone or goes to a walk-on status, and I would be shocked if AJ Stewart is still here next year. Speculation that Porter could go to an acedemic scholly. That means at least 2 more players may be gone.
Almost all good college teams have good JR and SR classes. Our JR and SR classes SUCK. If you don't believe me, wait 2 more days until UK's SR day, and see who runs through that hoop. I will give you a hint, there is just 1 SR and his name is Jared Carter.:(
We all knew the cupboard was bare when Tubby left. So all you could hope for when a new coach came in was to restock it. I don't think any coach in the nation could be getting any better talent, any quicker than Gillispie.
The guy has recruited more 5 star players in a year and a half than Tubby did in 10 years.
Gillispie has recruited
Liggins
Patterson
Hood
Orton
Legion
Ferguson
All were or have been 5 stars at some point. Thats pretty amazing for such a short time.
Most fans are casual fans, and to the casual fan, I can see why you would be upset. But if you follow recruiting, you would know a better story. We have Orton coming in next year, who is a Top 5 player in the nation, Pilgrim who is a beast, Hood who is a top 25 player nationally, GJ Villarino who is a PG, and they are still recruiting.
The bad news, thats 4 new players, and there may be more. But we only lose 1 player, and thats Jared Carter. So where do the Schollys come from? It means some guys won't be here. No doubt Williams is either gone or goes to a walk-on status, and I would be shocked if AJ Stewart is still here next year. Speculation that Porter could go to an acedemic scholly. That means at least 2 more players may be gone.
Almost all good college teams have good JR and SR classes. Our JR and SR classes SUCK. If you don't believe me, wait 2 more days until UK's SR day, and see who runs through that hoop. I will give you a hint, there is just 1 SR and his name is Jared Carter.:(
We all knew the cupboard was bare when Tubby left. So all you could hope for when a new coach came in was to restock it. I don't think any coach in the nation could be getting any better talent, any quicker than Gillispie.
Ditto......what he said.
buschog
03-02-2009, 11:17 PM
Keep him thing's have got to get better!:D
Ky'sFinest
03-03-2009, 03:42 AM
The guy has recruited more 5 star players in a year and a half than Tubby did in 10 years.
Gillispie has recruited
Liggins
Patterson
Hood
Orton
Legion
Ferguson
All were or have been 5 stars at some point. Thats pretty amazing for such a short time.
Most fans are casual fans, and to the casual fan, I can see why you would be upset. But if you follow recruiting, you would know a better story. We have Orton coming in next year, who is a Top 5 player in the nation, Pilgrim who is a beast, Hood who is a top 25 player nationally, GJ Villarino who is a PG, and they are still recruiting.
The bad news, thats 4 new players, and there may be more. But we only lose 1 player, and thats Jared Carter. So where do the Schollys come from? It means some guys won't be here. No doubt Williams is either gone or goes to a walk-on status, and I would be shocked if AJ Stewart is still here next year. Speculation that Porter could go to an acedemic scholly. That means at least 2 more players may be gone.
Almost all good college teams have good JR and SR classes. Our JR and SR classes SUCK. If you don't believe me, wait 2 more days until UK's SR day, and see who runs through that hoop. I will give you a hint, there is just 1 SR and his name is Jared Carter.:(
We all knew the cupboard was bare when Tubby left. So all you could hope for when a new coach came in was to restock it. I don't think any coach in the nation could be getting any better talent, any quicker than Gillispie.
tubby left us in shambles. tubby is to uk b-ball what obama is to america.
ptbrauch
03-03-2009, 07:25 AM
why don't you check out tubby's firsts. not just the good ones. pitino was one of the best coaches at uk and he took more than 1.5 seasons to do it. talk about unreal expectations. no wonder all of america thinks uk's fan are ridiculous.
who do you think should be coaching uk right now or next year?
Of course they think we're ridiculous. If all you could hope for your team was a few wins and maybe an invite to the Tournament, and its alway been that way for you, you would think its ridiculous for someone to expect their team to contend for a championship every year. Why is it bad to expect only the best? Heck, for the football team, we're ecstatic just when they finish with a non-losing record. But when it comes to basketball, this excerpt from Wikipedia kind of sums it up:
The University of Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kentucky) men's basketball team is considered to be among the most elite NCAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association) basketball programs, having earned a total of seven NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Championship). Its seven titles were won by four different coaches - Adolph Rupp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Rupp) in 1948, 1949, 1951 and 1958; Joe B. Hall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_B._Hall) in 1978; Rick Pitino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Pitino) in 1996; and Tubby Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubby_Smith) in 1998. Kentucky is second only to UCLA, which has 11 National Championships. UK is also the winningest men's college basketball program in the nation. Through the completion of the 2008 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament ) on April 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_7), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008), Kentucky now has a total of 1966 all-time wins (North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels_men%27s_basketball) is second with 1950 wins, and Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_Jayhawks_men%27s_basketball) is third with 1943 wins). Kentucky also leads all NCAA schools in all-time winning percentage. (UK's all-time record: 1966-621; UK's all-time winning percentage: .760)
Ky'sFinest
03-03-2009, 02:02 PM
Of course they think we're ridiculous. If all you could hope for your team was a few wins and maybe an invite to the Tournament, and its alway been that way for you, you would think its ridiculous for someone to expect their team to contend for a championship every year. Why is it bad to expect only the best? Heck, for the football team, we're ecstatic just when they finish with a non-losing record. But when it comes to basketball, this excerpt from Wikipedia kind of sums it up:
The University of Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kentucky) men's basketball team is considered to be among the most elite NCAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association) basketball programs, having earned a total of seven NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Championship). Its seven titles were won by four different coaches - Adolph Rupp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Rupp) in 1948, 1949, 1951 and 1958; Joe B. Hall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_B._Hall) in 1978; Rick Pitino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Pitino) in 1996; and Tubby Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubby_Smith) in 1998. Kentucky is second only to UCLA, which has 11 National Championships. UK is also the winningest men's college basketball program in the nation. Through the completion of the 2008 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament ) on April 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_7), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008), Kentucky now has a total of 1966 all-time wins (North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels_men%27s_basketball) is second with 1950 wins, and Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_Jayhawks_men%27s_basketball) is third with 1943 wins). Kentucky also leads all NCAA schools in all-time winning percentage. (UK's all-time record: 1966-621; UK's all-time winning percentage: .760)
if not bcg than who should be here?
tubby inherited a good team, bcg inherited a lazy team. its that simple.
mwezell
03-05-2009, 08:27 AM
Anyone want to vote in this poll after the UGA game last night?
mwezell
03-08-2009, 10:48 AM
Looks like mods shut the poll down, or maybe just went to a default timeline. I set it to run until after the NCAA tourney in 2011. Did that to give BCG and UK time to do whatever he can to turn things around. Looks like there are some that are critical of BCG that haven't voted. ---Mike
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