UK vs LSU

[kyslim]

Well if we lose again today, how many of you think we will still go to the big dance? Myself I dont see it happening unless we win today,We might still have a chance if we can beat a ranked team.

[chasinhornsnfans]

i believe it's possible to loose today and still make it. only IF the cats fair well in the sec tourney, ( which i am loosing hope on ). beleive it or not, but right now the cats are a 4.5 point favorite.

[MrHank]

If we don't win today we had better at least make it to the championship game of the tourney for us to get a bid, thats my thoughts at least.

[Redfishman]

This is going to be interesting-very interesting. Granted, LSU is ranked and seems to be pulling a team together finally, there's the aurora of RUPP.. Tigers are 5-3 on away games.The Cats are 12-4 at home. Coupled with the fact that LSU is on a 9 game winning streak, they're playing at RUPP,AND- the game is being televised on CBS-I think those are to many bumps to clear. Including football, LSU has NEVER won a game when televised by CBS in two years. Bad "Karma"? don't kneaux----but the stats speak for themselves.

I have a double billed cap for this game! Love 'dem Tigers and love 'dem cats!!
The pressure is on LSU to contain Patrick Patterson. Watch Garrett Temple(LSU)! Even tough his scoring stats are not like Patterson's , you cannot get rid of him. He's like we sey"White on rice" does not geaux away. He's are turn over man so we don't have to battle it under the hoop(and lose). Tasmin Mitchell, and I'm telling you now, is deadly when he he gets free with 3-pts shots. His "Gris Gris" has bought the tigers back when they were behind 16-18pts. The tigers are not strong under the hoop.

My take on the game???? 2 overtimes --and I hate to sey the Tiger's will fall 92-89.

Remember LSU doesn't have as much at stake. They have pretty much sown up the SEC west and the CATS are in a street fight for any marbles they can get any way.

[str8 shot]

The cats will pull through today i think...there always hit or miss and the last couple weeks theyve been all miss...this is there game to show that they can still play basketball like they did against TN

[teacher]

How many minutes do you think Stewart will get, or should get?

[chasinhornsnfans]

he should not play. that is unless the story we all know has been a little stretched somehow. but then again this whole situation could make aj come out and play twice as hard.

[7mmx2]

I don't have a great feeling about this game....but I could see Meeks coming out firing and everyone playing D like no other since that last beat down!

[slow-bow]

I sure hope we win but,...............
LSU by 8.
71-63

[Art]

I have not seen LSU play this year, but I saw KY play earlier this week. I have very little confidence in our team at this point. I think UK CAN beat LSU if they play at the upper end of there ability. If they don't, UK gets embarrassed again.

I think UK will play better today then they did vs. USC, but I have my doubts about them pulling out the W. We'll see.

[str8 shot]

From what im seeing already,i think we can beat the in the paint...lets see if we can get some open 3s and get back on D

[bowhunter08]

Looks like they found another way to thorw a win away! Wait they may have just pulled something out of their butt!

[bowhunter08]

Ok now they joked! What a joke!

[headoftheholler]

That's it 73-70 LSU. Again, is UK going to get a big show invite?

[str8 shot]

UK will go to the big show,but they def dont deserve too

[Fat Tony]

This team has no right to get into the NCAA. Resume stinks. Probably will because the Commish of the SEC is the head of the selection committee. What a farce.

Another double digit loss season. Getting used to it. Can we send this hard drinking snake oil salesman back to Texas now?

[maxcam]

This team has no right to get into the NCAA. Resume stinks. Probably will because the Commish of the SEC is the head of the selection committee. What a farce.

Another double digit loss season. Getting used to it. Can we send this hard drinking snake oil salesman back to Texas now?

Hey Fat Tony, get your resume together and apply....In fact why dont you send it to every high school grade school and Upward league and let us know where you land a job.......

G made the adjustments at half that resulted in a 10 point lead and LSU made the plays down the stretch....If you will notice they had 4 guys shooting the ball that couldnt miss when it counted.......So before you go blaming the coach realize they are 18-20 year old kids playing ball and thanks to the former coach are not that highly skilled......Lets face it....There is one guy playing that cant even run over and pick a bouncing ball up.......

[wwarrior]

Hated to see then lose today they played hard.
Can't blame the coach, he has to play with what he's got.
2 players can't beat 5...SEVERAL Wasted schollarships on the team now.
Lets face it several players on the team Billy wouldn't have even tried to recurit!
2-3 years and he'll have UK back on top.
Point Guard Need!!!!

[turk2di]

Hated to see then lose today they played hard.
Can't blame the coach, he has to play with what he's got.
2 players can't beat 5...SEVERAL Wasted schollarships on the team now.
Lets face it several players on the team Billy wouldn't have even tried to recurit!
2-3 years and he'll have UK back on top.
Point Guard Need!!!!

I hope your right b4 North Carolina passes us as the winningest college team!

[Scott7m]

Fat Tony, send them your resume like others said.

Billy made the necessary changes in this game, and played a team that's probably a top 15 team down to the wire. LSU hit some HUGE HUGE shots to boot.

I really like having Galloway on the floor, I could have choked meeks when he dished it off to Ramon under the basket.. He might has well thrown it into the stands. Meeks had to many stupid mistakes and bad shots tonight, it really hurt us.

[beards-n-bone]

I just dont like this guy (Billy G.) too many players leaving/quitting, not to mention his smart a-- attitude with reporters, that makes Kentucky look really bad and he did it twice....to a woman no less. Tom Leech asked him about taking Meeks out in the second half against South Carolina and he responded, "thats not a good question Tom" uh.....yes it is you drunk!! The third leading scorer in the nation is sitting on the bench in the second half, not in foul trouble, and your butt is down 20 pts!!!! Sounds like a great question to me!!! He finally answered and said Meeks missed a "defensive assignment". A certain TV personality in Lexington, who has been on set with Billy G. had very little good to say about this guy. Rude, arrogant, and the personality of a rock. I wont follow blindly this guy to the edge of a cliff, we need a real coach in Lexington before we lose our tradition.

[Art]

I just dont like this guy (Billy G.) too many players leaving/quitting, not to mention his smart a-- attitude with reporters, that makes Kentucky look really bad and he did it twice....to a woman no less. Tom Leech asked him about taking Meeks out in the second half against South Carolina and he responded, "thats not a good question Tom" uh.....yes it is you drunk!! The third leading scorer in the nation is sitting on the bench in the second half, not in foul trouble, and your butt is down 20 pts!!!! Sounds like a great question to me!!! He finally answered and said Meeks missed a "defensive assignment". A certain TV personality in Lexington, who has been on set with Billy G. had very little good to say about this guy. Rude, arrogant, and the personality of a rock. I wont follow blindly this guy to the edge of a cliff, we need a real coach in Lexington before we lose our tradition.

What you are failing to realize is that all we know about the program, the team, and all of it's players is what we see on TV or read in the paper. We don't know 90% of what goes on in practice, in the locker room, in the classroom, in the lodge, or anywhere else.

To assume we know more about the players and situations then BG is foolish IMO. We can sit here an act like we do, but if we did then we'd all be making a couple of million a year. From what I hear, the AJ Stewart situation had absolutely nothing to do with BG.

Hindsight is always 20/20. I love the call-in shows when callers question BG's decisions. Then he asked them what THEY would have done and they ALWAYS look like a fool in the end. It happens every time.

As for the ESPN gal, BG explained that very clearly. He viewed her question as a slight against the rest of the team and he felt very protective of his players. He said he will defend his players any chance he gets, 100% of the time. The question she asked basically said Meeks was THE team. You can imagine how that would have made the players feel had BG taken that bait.

Like always, I'm not saying BG is the perfect guy for the job, he may not be. All I know is that it's hard to judge him at this point with the roster he has. If someone left you a Crayola water color set and told you to paint the house, the outcome would be pretty sad. That's what has been asked of BG at this point. I bet a million to one that you guys who want to run him out of town would be sitting here taking up for Tubby if he was still here and had the same record. You'd be looking at next year, like we did for 9 straight years. It's true and you guys know it.

[mrdux]

Man, I watched the first half then went to Fox to watch Rush Limbaugh. Rush was far more entertaining and inspirational.

I'm ready to see the end of the BCG era at UK.

[Art]

Alright. Let me ask you guys this since you want BG gone.

Who would you get to take the job if you were A.D.? Then assuming you have a better choice, what would be the chances of them taking the job? (We saw last time that the state of the program has deteriorated to the point where people actually said NO) Who is there out there in the coaching world that could turn Stevenson, Porter, Carter, Stewart, and Harris into ballers?

[chasinhornsnfans]

i just wonder, all of you BG haters, or dislikers out there, who would you get as a coach? what coach would take a program knowing that is was going to be a rebuilding few years

reminds me alot of Louisville fan base, ( no offense card fans ) all the years with Crum, not many u of l fans, now that ricky p is there, u of l fans all over. your either a fan or your not

[beards-n-bone]

Not really. I led the Anti-Tubby charge! You could give Tubby 5 blue chip all americans and he would average 60 pts per game and lose 9-10 games per yr. Likewise you could give Tubby 5 dudes off the street and he would avg. 60 pts per game and lose 9-10 games per year. Cant coach talent. Talent began to realize that and quit coming to UK. As far as Billy G, his substitutions make zero sense. His players seem timid and reluctant to take open shots. A player will have a good game then disappear for two. Even sports writers who have followed UK basketball for years are left pulling out their hair over his decisions. If Meeks and Patterson leave they will have a losing season next year.....And Billy G's first class of recruits will be Jrs.

[Scott7m]

I think those of you that want Billy G gone need to man up..... Bunch of sissies, c'mon! He hasn't even had the chance to recruit more than a few good players and your all crying like Obama just raised your taxes 20%...

They did well today! LSU hit some big time shots at the end! No question about it!

How do you think Billy likes to sit around and listen to a bunch of whiney media/fans talk about how he knows the game, when most of them know little about the game and even less of them ever played the game!

He's doing very well for what he has to work with! He found something tonight if he'll go back to it! Galloway, Miller, Meeks, Patterson need to be on the floor more together!

[teacher]

Man, I watched the first half then went to Fox to watch Rush Limbaugh. Rush was far more entertaining and inspirational.

I'm ready to see the end of the BCG era at UK.
Then you missed a heck of a second half..

[Scott7m]

what on earth about his substituions don't make sense? someone get's their butt burned on D and he sits them out! let them think about it a minute then there back in!

[Scott7m]

Then you missed a heck of a second half..

Yes he did, I think there for a 12 minute stretch Billly could watch his team and smile for the first time all season! They were playing great at both ends during that time! Played very solid at the end as well, big shots feel for LSU made the difference. Not coaching!

[mrdux]

I heard his post game interview and all he could say is "I don't understand!"

As a UK fan for all of my 50+years, he and Tubby have made UK basketball uninteresting to watch and follow. I had high hopes for him but have been very disappointed. It's now easier to watch something else than to get heartburn watching them play.

I'm ready for football season and the NIT.

[Scott7m]

I heard his post game interview and all he could say is "I don't understand!"

As a UK fan for all of my 50+years, he and Tubby have made UK basketball uninteresting to watch and follow. I had high hopes for him but have been very disappointed. It's now easier to watch something else than to get heartburn watching them play.

I'm ready for football season and the NIT.

So his teams aren't more fun to watch? Are you actually watching the games? He actually lets players score more than 15 ppg! Tubby would get mad if Meeks averaged 25 a game under him! He'd never let that happen i bet!

So you gave him less than 2 seasons using Tubby's crap he left behind and you want him out! You sound like a bleeding heart liberal who didn't like the way Bush ran the war!

You and others admire bush for him staying the course, sticking to his guns, and stuff like that, But when it comes to UK basketball, the coach should change his whole strategy every 3 minutes and make something out of nothing! Kinda crazy if you ask me!

[Art]

Not really. I led the Anti-Tubby charge! You could give Tubby 5 blue chip all americans and he would average 60 pts per game and lose 9-10 games per yr. Likewise you could give Tubby 5 dudes off the street and he would avg. 60 pts per game and lose 9-10 games per year. Cant coach talent. Talent began to realize that and quit coming to UK. As far as Billy G, his substitutions make zero sense. His players seem timid and reluctant to take open shots. A player will have a good game then disappear for two. Even sports writers who have followed UK basketball for years are left pulling out their hair over his decisions. If Meeks and Patterson leave they will have a losing season next year.....And Billy G's first class of recruits will be Jrs.

I agree with most of what you say. However, I can almost call it when a player is coming out of the game. They get burned badly on D or commit a totally ignorant turnover. We have guys who REPEATEDLY make the same stupid mistakes over and over again. I don't understand why Porter starts over Galloway, who is obviously much more gifted. I just assume that I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, because I don't.

I think the reason Meeks sat in the USC game was because he screws up a lot too. I think BG knew we were not going to win that game, Meeks or no Meeks. That was his one chance to show Meeks that just because he's the leading scorer, it doesn't mean his mistakes are meaningless. I think he did it to inspire Meeks to get his head out of his butt in future games. JMO.

[Fat Tony]

Hey Fat Tony, get your resume together and apply....In fact why dont you send it to every high school grade school and Upward league and let us know where you land a job.......

G made the adjustments at half that resulted in a 10 point lead and LSU made the plays down the stretch....If you will notice they had 4 guys shooting the ball that couldnt miss when it counted.......So before you go blaming the coach realize they are 18-20 year old kids playing ball and thanks to the former coach are not that highly skilled......Lets face it....There is one guy playing that cant even run over and pick a bouncing ball up.......

Read this s-l-o-w-l-y so you can comprehend. Goes for Scott as well. When talking NCAA tournament, "resume" means what the team has done to warrant an at-large bid. Got it? If not, I'll add pictures to clarify any problems you have keeping up.

Some of you think Billy Clyde is the shizzle.
I wanted Tubby to move on, but I hated this hire from the start. A drunk, a philanderer, and a bad coach. Recruits like Tarzan, coaches like Jane.

Program is stuck in first gear folks.

[Art]

All it will take next year is the addition on Orton and Pilgrim, and possibly a really good PG and all this crap will be forgotten. You fair weather guys will all be back posting on the Gopher Nation forum again by Christmas next year I predict.

[mrdux]

I didn't ask you Scott. I just expressed my opinion. I've seen one hell of a lot more basketball in my time than you have probably been around. I think that entitles me to have an opinion. I just think that BCG is in over his head and we won't have a chance to change the program and get it back on track if he refuses to make corrections in his personal and game plan as the game progresses. IMO there is no rhyme or reason to anything BCG does with this team.

My opinion of UK basketball doesn't have a damn thing to do with politics or who did what in DC.

[Art]

Did you guys miss post #24?:D

[Scott7m]

Did you guys miss post #24?:D

lol


No one can turn those guys into ballers, but apparently BG is supposed to be able to save them all.......... anyways!

your exactly right, Galloway should be starting over Porter, no questions asked! I wondered how he would handle a high pressure game! He did very well with it tonight, I'd love to see him starting! I hope Billy sees that too! Galloway, Miller, Meeks, Patterson, and Stevenson your starting 5.

[Davidlondon4]

I thought Porter looked his best today during the second half on the bench where he belongs.One thing people need to realize is that the two most experienced teams in the SEC are presently leading their respective divisions of the SEC--LSU and South Carolina.LSU has at least 2 players with Final Four experience.Give LSU credit--they took a hit from us and came back and hit the big shots when it counted.Take away Patterson and Meeks and most teams in the conference have better overall talent than UK does on this roster.You cant play 2 against 5 game in and game out and win very often.I like Galloway, Miller,and at times Liggins.They need time to mature.Harrelson has been a disappointment.Stephenson needs to be fed gunpowder to make him meaner.
Can anyone explain to me Tubby Smiths reasons for ever signing Jared Carter,Shagari Alleyne,Sheray Thomas,Ramon Harris and I am sure there are many others from past years I have thankfully forgotten? BCG needs at least 4 years to right the ship.We went from 1958 I think to 1978 without winning the NCAA championship --20 years.I certainly dont think it will be that long until we win another one.Yes it gets frustrating but no one and I mean no one is going to come in and right the ship if we continue to gripe and change coaches every couple of years when the Cats have a down year.

[maxcam]

Mrdux if you think for one second that Joe B. Hall taught and coached an exciting brand of basketball you need to just stay on the outside and read the posts.......

Gillespie is a great coach and one helluva recruiter......There are several examples of how good he is......We score almost every time we inbound the ball after a time out and he is 19-10 with a team that has one blue chipper on the team......Furthermore he has developed a no name in Jodie Meeks into an All American that is being considered for player of the year........Something Joe B, Ricky P., Eddie Sutton or Tubby never did do!

So before you burn your favorite blue hat with the K on it or through a brick through you TV, do an honest assessment of the situation!

[Fat Tony]

All it will take next year is the addition on Orton and Pilgrim, and possibly a really good PG and all this crap will be forgotten. You fair weather guys will all be back posting on the Gopher Nation forum again by Christmas next year I predict.

Jesus. Anyone has the nerve to criticize bad play/coaching and they must obviously be a Tubby jock sniffer? So predictable.

Lets just keep losing at Rupp. Finishing 4th in the East division in the biggest down year in the SEC in a long time. Its never the coach. He's like a Pope in Lexington. Gotta be that the players suck (he blames them ever post-game afterall). Waste of scholarships. He is rebuilding. Wait till he gets his players....blah blah blah. How about he is not coaching em' up? Cause he aint'.

[maxcam]

Jesus. Anyone has the nerve to criticize bad play/coaching and they must obviously be a Tubby jock sniffer? So predictable.

Lets just keep losing at Rupp. Finishing 4th in the East division in the biggest down year in the SEC in a long time. Its never the coach. He's like a Pope in Lexington. Gotta be that the players suck (he blames them ever post-game afterall). Waste of scholarships. He is rebuilding. Wait till he gets his players....blah blah blah. How about he is not coaching em' up? Cause he aint'.

Well big boy tell us specifically what Gillespie isnt doing....Tell us specifically what you would do.......

[Art]

Jesus. Anyone has the nerve to criticize bad play/coaching and they must obviously be a Tubby jock sniffer? So predictable.

Lets just keep losing at Rupp. Finishing 4th in the East division in the biggest down year in the SEC in a long time. Its never the coach. He's like a Pope in Lexington. Gotta be that the players suck (he blames them ever post-game afterall). Waste of scholarships. He is rebuilding. Wait till he gets his players....blah blah blah. How about he is not coaching em' up? Cause he aint'.

Let me guess, you miss Tubby and the reason you have not posted here much about basketball is because you've been too busy following Minnesota? You are just back to say, "told you so".

Where you complaining when Florida and Vandy were sweeping us like a dirty floor year after year when your hero was still here? Do you actually believe that any player left on this team from Flubby are actually capable D1 players?

[Fat Tony]

First thing I'd do is not go out and get trashed last night. Hangovers are tough to coach through.

[buckdroppings]

I agree with you Tony. Excuses excuses. I want results. Even Tubby got the best out of bad players during game time. BG is not a good coach. He should be able to do more with two obvious all-americans on his team. This is not a rebuilding year. We have youth and talented players just like the rest of the schools out there. This team should not be having the problems and inabilities it has at this point in the season.

[Art]

First thing I'd do is not go out and get trashed last night. Hangovers are tough to coach through.

Do you actually know anything about basketball or do you base ALL of your "knowledge" on rumors?

[bowhunter08]

I think he did it to inspire Meeks to get his head out of his butt in future games. JMO.

Couldn't agree more. I like the line up he started the 2nd half with. IMO that should be his starting line up!

[buckdroppings]

Art Tubby's problem was he couldn't recruit worth a crap. His coaching was fine. He consistently did more with less the problem is I was tired of having less.

BG is the opposite. This team should be doing better than it is. Are they his players? No but if he were a decent coach he would get more out of them in his system. Look at IU They do not have talent but those guys have better flow to a game and do more with less than we have from a team standpoint. UK has plenty of talent it is not being maximized.

[GSPonGrouse]

First thing I'd do is not go out and get trashed last night. Hangovers are tough to coach through.
That argument is getting old. Do you have any new material?
I haven't heard of any late nights for the old ball coach in awhile.
This team has some problems but a head coach is not one. You also need to remember that his entire staff is new. I am not even sure if he had coached with any of the assistants that he has now. All adds up to growing pains.
Fat Tony what was your expectations for this team? And what would you do differently. To reach those. It is easy to point a finger at the coach almost as easy as pointing a finger at refs. Try to post something other than drunk as a reply this time.

[buckdroppings]

Yeah lay off the drunk thing unless you can back it up. There is plenty else to go after than that?

[Art]

"And under Smith, UK just isn’t delivering it in full.

While this is hardly a disaster, UK shouldn’t have back-to-back 13- and 12- (eventually) loss seasons. It shouldn't have 10-loss seasons in five of the last eight years. It shouldn’t go since 2004 without signing a top 25 recruit. It shouldn’t have the mass transfers it has suffered through the past decade. It shouldn’t have two seasons – last year and 2001-02’s “Team Turmoil” – blown by chemistry issues stemming from recruiting mistakes.

It shouldn’t have Smith cobbling together victories with a hodgepodge roster – some years there are no guards but good big men, some years good guards and no big men – an annual tightrope walk of talent.

It shouldn’t have to rely on prodigal son Randolph Morris’ failure to get drafted last June to bail out its frontcourt this year.

It shouldn’t have to watch kids who were dying to play in Lexington become stars at other, now superior SEC teams. Corey Brewer (Florida) and Chris Lofton (Tennessee) both reportedly wanted to attend UK but were not offered scholarships.

UK doesn’t have a single top 125 recruit signed for next season, which means unless Smith can land either (or both) West Virginia big man Patrick Patterson or Houston guard Jai Lucas, next season could be bleak.

Mostly, Kentucky shouldn’t have to be anything less than Kentucky. It should be a dominating program, the one that used to lay waste to the SEC before being a fearsome draw in the NCAAs. It shouldn’t be one reliant on superior coaching to maximize itself to, maybe, one NCAA tournament victory. Things could be far worse. But they could be better, too.

“We clearly understand the frustration,” Barnhart told the AP. “We’ll work at the end of the year to figure out what we need to do to be better, to get where we want to be. Fourth in our division is not where we want to be. And, you know, eight seeds (are) not probably where Kentucky ’s used to being.”

This is the Big Blue, not some mid-major."
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=dw-tubbysmith031307

[GSPonGrouse]

Does any one else think that a push off should have been called at least 1 of the 2 times it happened on the last defensive possession.

[Art]

Does any one else think that a push off should have been called at least 1 of the 2 times it happened on the last defensive possession.

Yes. He clearly raised his arm.

[bowhunter08]

Does any one else think that a push off should have been called at least 1 of the 2 times it happened on the last defensive possession.

More than once. LSU gotta away with murder on that

[Fat Tony]

That argument is getting old. Do you have any new material?
I haven't heard of any late nights for the old ball coach in awhile.
This team has some problems but a head coach is not one. You also need to remember that his entire staff is new. I am not even sure if he had coached with any of the assistants that he has now. All adds up to growing pains.
Fat Tony what was your expectations for this team? And what would you do differently. To reach those. It is easy to point a finger at the coach almost as easy as pointing a finger at refs. Try to post something other than drunk as a reply this time.

Do eyes count?

[maxcam]

Art Tubby's problem was he couldn't recruit worth a crap. His coaching was fine. He consistently did more with less the problem is I was tired of having less.


Really......Tell me what Tubby did with less?

The worse thing to happen for UK basketball was for the 98 team winning the NC......That bought Tubby 3 or 4 more years.......

He got out coached and out recruited year in and year out......The talent that he did land was wasted....ie Tashuan Prince and Rajon Rondo who are now all stars in the NBA.....

[buckdroppings]

Refs have sucked in several games. Course i am biased when it's UK. I've watched several games this year in several of the other leagues and refereeing has greatly deminished for some reason across the board.

[KYhunter79]

Quick question....

What is the time span that it's acceptable to blame the previous coach for the state of the program?

I need to know for future reference with the Kragthorpe situation.

[maxcam]

Do eyes count?

Im still waiting for you to come up with something that indicates Gillespie doesnt know how to coach.....

Anyone care to speculate where UK would be under flubby?

[Scott7m]

Now now maxcam........ A players talent level can't be the result of a loss, it's obviously the coach just hasn't found the talent :rolleyes: lol

What do we have at UK that seems to be good right now?

Patterson.... Meeks...... Miller..... and starting to think Galloway could be good for us....... Milller is starting to come around, that was a big time shot he knocked down today!

Gillispie is doing the best with what he has to work with, look at their set plays like others said, when they run them right it's money in the bank, thats a good sign, now getting beat off the dribble because your guards are slower than crap, there isn't a whole lot a coach can do about that.

[Scott7m]

More than once. LSU gotta away with murder on that

The push off was obvious, and directly in front of the ref..... it also created the space for him to drive and dish, which created the shot that beat us.

speakin of refs, last night at the elliot county game, a ref was gettin totally wild....... He called 3-4 really horrible calls late in the game, even elliot county fans had to laugh, but the last bad call he made he called a fould on a west carter guard who ran along beside ethan faulkner on the way to the basket... he never jumped, never touched him, didn't try to. he had 4 fouls already and was a crucial player so he knew better than to even try to strip him, soo the ref calls the foul, then takes off running at the west carter guard, "taylor webb" and draws back like he's going to punch him..... and is yelling right in his face! The crowd was about to flip out because taylor webb is one of the most respectable people you'll meet...... it was crazy, the guy was just on a power trip or something

[buckdroppings]

Anyone care to speculate where UK would be under flubby?


Likely not much better.

[Fat Tony]

Coaching was not the reason for the eyes comment.

As far as coaching, you going to defend the way this team plays in the first half of just about every game? Really? If a team plays flat, who is to blame. Not coaches obviously. :rolleyes:

You going to defend his inability to install a zone when you are getting killed on penetration....again?

You going to give him a pass on another year of losing to teams they have no business losing to?

Give this roster to a guy like Buzz Williams (who is doing a hell of lot more with a lot less in his first year) and they win the East. Wonder how Trent Johnson would do with this squad?

[Scott7m]

Coaching was not the reason for the eyes comment.

As far as coaching, you going to defend the way this team plays in the first half of just about every game? Really? If a team plays flat, who is to blame. Not coaches obviously. :rolleyes:

You going to defend his inability to install a zone when you are getting killed on penetration....again?

You going to give him a pass on another year of losing to teams they have no business losing to?

Give this roster to a guy like Buzz Williams (who is doing a hell of lot more with a lot less in his first year) and they win the East. Wonder how Trent Johnson would do with this squad?


UK usually gets beaten by teams knocking down 3 after 3, if you go zone on them to stop the penetration, a simple ball reversal around the top and they have open 3's all night long.......

MAN TO MAN, is the toughest defense there is... but you have to have athletes to play it! he doesn't have that yet....... However TODAY!!! when he played galloway in their with miller, they could defend LSU! Did a very good job at it too.....

[kyquackin]

I am not going to bash BCG just yet, if anyone remembers when he came to UK he said to give him at least 3 years. I do know that i have not missed a game all year, and that for a good while now myself and buddies who watch and my dad have all said that todays second half starters should be our primary line-up. Glad to see it found today, would have liked to seen it sooner. Anyways in an earlier comment someone said something about the head of the sec being on the selection committee. I'm pretty positive he resigned. If so there will be no one from the SEC on the selection committee. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but i'm almost sure this is a fact.

[AteUp]

I have to say that honestly, I think UK has overachieved this year. Everyone thought they were gonna suck bad and they've been respectable for the most part. It's like Pitino said about UL when he took over, "There's Reece Gaines and 4 guys named Harry." Well at UK right now there's Patterson and Meeks and 10 guys named Harry.

[maxcam]

Coaching was not the reason for the eyes comment.

As far as coaching, you going to defend the way this team plays in the first half of just about every game? Really? If a team plays flat, who is to blame. Not coaches obviously. :rolleyes:

You going to defend his inability to install a zone when you are getting killed on penetration....again?

You going to give him a pass on another year of losing to teams they have no business losing to?

Give this roster to a guy like Buzz Williams (who is doing a hell of lot more with a lot less in his first year) and they win the East. Wonder how Trent Johnson would do with this squad?

Zone.....are you kidding me? Name one top 10 team that plays a zone.....

Buzz Williams of Marquette.....The team in the Big East that has 1 freshman and half the team is comprised of Jurnior and Seniors.........

Trent Johnson the coach at LSU that started 3 Sr 1 Jr and Sophmore?

Get real dude......Name someone that shot the ball for Kentucky as good as LSU's worst scorer today......

You need to go turn in the blue and white for some black and red and enjoy yourself....Kentucky prides itself on knowledgable basketball fans!

[AteUp]

You need to go turn in the blue and white for some black and red and enjoy yourself....Kentucky prides itself on knowledgable basketball fans!

Wow, you must not get out much.

[Fat Tony]

Better to not know what you are talking about and keep it secret than type something like that and let the whole world know.

Top 10 teams that play zone? Easy.

PITT, UCONN, Louisville, Memphis, Nova and Marquette all mix in zone. Watched Memphis, UL and UCONN do it in person this year.

[maxcam]

Yeah they all zone on inbounds plays.....How many times did Gillespie score on UofL off the inbound? ALL NIGHT LONG!

[KYhunter79]

Wow, you must not get out much.

lol, you got to it before I did.




Wow.;)

[Fat Tony]

Bet you are surprised to hear that UL is either not in the Top 10 or Pitino does not throw a 2-3 zone at teams.

BTW: his 2-3 zone is one of the best in the nation. But no good teams or good coaches use it, right? :D

[Art]

Pitino is not a great coach. There are very few GREAT coaches. Pitino, like most other coaches on his level can only beat you with talent, not coaching. You can't logically sit here and tell me that Pitino out coached BG in the UK/UL game. His "coaching" and ill advised timeouts almost lost the game for the cards.

[Scott7m]

Pitino is not a great coach. There are very few GREAT coaches. Pitino, like most other coaches on his level can only beat you with talent, not coaching. You can't logically sit here and tell me that Pitino out coached BG in the UK/UL game. His "coaching" and ill advised timeouts almost lost the game for the cards.

I think Pitino is a good coach.

But what you said is a good example. He has a lot more talent than UK but UK still played them close, does that mean Billy G out-coached him?

[Art]

I think Pitino is a good coach.

But what you said is a good example. He has a lot more talent than UK but UK still played them close, does that mean Billy G out-coached him?

I wouldn't say that he "out coached" him unless you simply look at who won and who lost. Any normal person understand that is not an indicator. I disagree that it is fundamentally wrong to not use a zone defense. I think it has to do more with understanding your players and the other teams offenses and players. To say that a coach is bad coach because he prefers a particular defense over another one is silly IMO.

[Fat Tony]

Pitino is not a great coach. There are very few GREAT coaches. Pitino, like most other coaches on his level can only beat you with talent, not coaching. You can't logically sit here and tell me that Pitino out coached BG in the UK/UL game. His "coaching" and ill advised timeouts almost lost the game for the cards.

You are either officially nuts or incapable of objectivity.

Some fans have gotten to the point of qualifying losses as either good tries or not. Nice.

[Art]

You are officially nuts.

Do you have any proof that I'm wrong. Are you saying that Pitino has overachieved since being at UL considering the level of talent he has?

Has Pitino duplicated his success at UL that he had at UK? No. Has he had the talent he had while he was at UK? No. Has his coaching skill taken him as far with less talented teams since he left UK. No. What is the one ingredient that Pitino has been missing since 1997? Overwhelming talent.;)

[Fat Tony]

If Rick was still here, you'd be the all time champion of the bash anyone who criticizes CRP brigade and you know it.

[Art]

If Rick was still here, you'd be the all time champion of the bash anyone who criticizes CRP brigade and you know it.

Who would bash him had he continued his ways at UK, other than you jealous UL fans? You guys should LOVE BG, because we all know Tubby had your number. Still does apparently.;)

My point is that great talent is what makes great teams. You are implying that BG (and unfounded rumors about him) is the cause of UK's sorry state of affairs. Pitino couldn't do any better with this team. With the exception of his Final Four team, I'd have to say that Pitino has been a big disappointment. Well, I think UK fans see it that way, but I guess UL fans see him as being wildly successful considering it's been nearly a quarter century since you've cut down the nets.

[Fat Tony]

#1, I hope UL never wins a game again. So you sound like a dork saying that. Understand, there are ticket holders at Rupp that actually can be critical of the coach. Mind boggling concept for you, I know.

#2, anyone that thinks Pitino is not one of the better coaches in college basketball needs to turn in their sports fan card, cause they don't have a clue.

[Art]

#1, I hope UL never wins a game again. So you sound like a dork saying that. Understand, there are ticket holders at Rupp that actually can be critical of the coach. Mind boggling concept for you, I know.

#2, anyone that thinks Pitino is not one of the better coaches in college basketball needs to turn in their sports fan card, cause they don't have a clue.

Sorry. I didn't realize you were a UK fan, it's impossible to tell by reading your diatribes.

[Tim T]

Yeah they all zone on inbounds plays.....How many times did Gillespie score on UofL off the inbound? ALL NIGHT LONG!

Doug, Louisville plays a zone about 80 percent of the time. Even when they full court press, once the ball gets across the timeline they will drop back into a 2-3 match up zone. It usually works well because of the length and athleticism on the wings with Williams and Clark.

[Scott7m]

Doug, Louisville plays a zone about 80 percent of the time. Even when they full court press, once the ball gets across the timeline they will drop back into a 2-3 match up zone. It usually works well because of the length and athleticism on the wings with Williams and Clark.

your right tim, try that defense when you don't have that athleticism on those wings and your going to get burned

[Fat Tony]

UK undergrad and UK Law.

A team doesn't need a bunch of great players to play well. This coach does and always has. He rolls the ball out and lets them try to out playground the other squad. Did the exact same thing at A&M and I got chastised for being one of the few who complained when his name was mentioned for the coaching gig here. Forget his terrible PR performances or the drinking, or the DUI's (sorry...they got 2 bumped down), or the failed marriages because of chasing college girls around campus.

His style works when your guy like Meeks or Acie Law goes off or they play against bad teams. Stinks when you actually have to coach the other guys up to have a shot against middle of the road or better programs.

Another 13 loss year coming up with a bunch of losses against teams they have no business losing to. Mississippi stinks. Mississippi State stinks. VMI....really? Vandy - no business losing to them either. Getting run out of the gym in the first half against Miami. Actually, now that I mention it, getting tired in general of watching this team lay an egg in the first half most games. I should get my $$ back for some of these home game performances I've sat through.

[Art]

UK undergrad and UK Law.

A team doesn't need a bunch of great players to play well. This coach does and always has. He rolls the ball out and lets them try to out playground the other squad. Did the exact same thing at A&M and I got chastised for being one of the few who complained when his name was mentioned for the coaching gig here. Forget his terrible PR performances or the drinking, or the DUI's (sorry...they got 2 bumped down), or the failed marriages because of chasing college girls around campus.

His style works when your guy like Meeks or Acie Law goes off or they play against bad teams. Stinks when you actually have to coach the other guys up to have a shot against middle of the road or better programs.

Another 13 loss year coming up with a bunch of losses against teams they have no business losing to. Mississippi stinks. Mississippi State stinks. VMI....really? Vandy - no business losing to them either. Getting run out of the gym in the first half against Miami. Actually, now that I mention it, getting tired in general of watching this team lay an egg in the first half most games. I should get my $$ back for some of these home game performances I've sat through.


So, obviously you feel that Tubby was a much better coach. I think it's safe to say that Tubby had more talent overall on his teams. What is your excuse for him? Do you have the inside track that he liked child porn or maybe scammed people out of their savings that may have led to his demise here? Afterall, he was supposedly a man of character, an outstanding coach, and had what most considered very talented players, although they never really took off until they left the program, whether it be to the NBA or Villanova.:D

[Fat Tony]

Nope. I believe we hired the wrong guy.

[Art]

Nope. I believe we hired the wrong guy.

Ok then. Who SHOULD we have hired? I've been waiting for this answer from ANYONE for several pages now. As I recall, BCG was #3 or #4 on the list. The list wasn't that impressive and most who were on it had little or no interest in the job. Maybe John Pelphrey? Boy, he's really tearing it up.

Aside from that, I don't see any point in floating rumors about the coach that have not been proven to bolster your point. I live down the road from BG. We shop at the same stores, we eat at the same restaurants. If he's a rabid, womanizing drunk then I have not seen or heard any concrete evidence to back any of that up. I hear all the rumors, but in this day and age of video phones and Youtube, these rumors would have some backbone if true.

[Fat Tony]

your right tim, try that defense when you don't have that athleticism on those wings and your going to get burned

Not true. Athletes sure help any D, but the matchup 2-3 zone is a D that you can run very well without great athletes if they are coached well and the kids have the "want to" to play D. Its becoming a must have in a coaches arsenal in today's game for any team that thinks D is important. Even guys like Bob Huggins and Jim Calhoun who made their names on hard nosed in your face man to man are now using it about half the time.

In addition to PITT, UCONN, Nova, Memphis, UL that I mentioned before to totally debunk that silly comment about what Top 10 teams run it, other teams in the Top 25 that use it include Wake, Arizona State, Kansas, Clemson, Purdue, Xavier, UCLA, and Butler. There may be others, but those are the ones I have seen run it this season or ones that I have met coaches at clinics that were teaching the principles of it.

[Fat Tony]

Ok then. Who SHOULD we have hired? I've been waiting for this answer from ANYONE for several pages now. As I recall, BCG was #3 or #4 on the list. The list wasn't that impressive and most who were on it had little or no interest in the job. Maybe John Pelphrey? Boy, he's really tearing it up.

Aside from that, I don't see any point in floating rumors about the coach that have not been proven to bolster your point. I live down the road from BG. We shop at the same stores, we eat at the same restaurants. If he's a rabid, womanizing drunk then I have not seen or heard any concrete evidence to back any of that up. I hear all the rumors, but in this day and age of video phones and Youtube, these rumors would have some backbone if true.

Rumors? Get your head out of the sand.

[Art]

Rumors? Get your head out of the sand.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rumor

[maxcam]

Fat Tony is a blaring example of why Rupp Arena sounds like a morgue on game day........

He sits on his backside and complains about the coach instead of cheering for the team.........

Gillespie is a good coach..... You can see the evidence everytime there is a time out or an inbounds play......

Gillespie cannot not do anything about Porter dribbling down the court allowing someone come up from behind to back tip the ball away.....

Gillespie cannot help Stevenson walk and chew gum at the same time.....

Gillespie cannot prevent Meeks from forcing at least a half dozen shots yesterday........

Gillespie cannot make his front line guys move when Patterson get the ball on the blocks and then get double or triple teamed.....

What Gillespie can do is recruit players that he needs that can compete on a national level. He has no point gaurd. He has no center and he has no small forward. He is doing a pretty darn good job so far. Miller is going to be a good player, he plays intelligently and is improving every game. Liggins is a wreck waiting to happen, but he has the potential and its a lot easier to pull the reins back on too much horse instead of relying on a nag that has no business out there to begin with.

When fans like you start mumbling about how upset you are about the coach, that causes unrest with a potential 5 Star recruit that is considering UK.

Art and I both stated a couple of years ago it was going to take awhile to get the program back to where it belongs when we had the Flubster.....You supported Flubby.......You were wrong then just like you are now about BG.

[Art]

I heard Tubby got into bestiality around the time we started losing 10+ games a year. Just take my word for it, I can't give you the details though..

[Art]

In case you guys are wondering, I STILL want to know who we should have hired.

[Fat Tony]

Pay me the $35,000 MB should have paid for a full scale executive search firm to gather background info rather than blundering into it blindly (like most top programs do) and I'll gladly give you a list.

BTW: according to attorneys involved with it that I know, the reason he hasn't signed the contract is he doesn't like the for cause firing clause that is standard in every coaching contract. Wonder why that is?

[Davidlondon4]

maxcam A+ for your comments in post #91.

[Fat Tony]

And in response....

Fat Tony is a blaring example of why Rupp Arena sounds like a morgue on game day........If its a morgue its because in person its much clearer how poorly this team is coached up

He sits on his backside and complains about the coach instead of cheering for the team.........Do plenty of cheering, thank you very much

Gillespie is a good coach..... You can see the evidence everytime there is a time out or an inbounds play......Its the stuff that happens between timeouts and out of bounds plays that is so infuriating

Gillespie cannot not do anything about Porter dribbling down the court allowing someone come up from behind to back tip the ball away.....Yes he can

Gillespie cannot help Stevenson walk and chew gum at the same time.....If he can't he needs to attend some coaches clinics

Gillespie cannot prevent Meeks from forcing at least a half dozen shots yesterday........He tells him to chuck it up...its one of 2 offensive plays he has installed

Gillespie cannot make his front line guys move when Patterson get the ball on the blocks and then get double or triple teamed.....Refer to above and ammend to he better figure it out or he is in the wrong line of work

What Gillespie can do is recruit players that he needs that can compete on a national level. He has no point gaurd. He has no center and he has no small forward. He is doing a pretty darn good job so far. Miller is going to be a good player, he plays intelligently and is improving every game. Liggins is a wreck waiting to happen, but he has the potential and its a lot easier to pull the reins back on too much horse instead of relying on a nag that has no business out there to begin with. Recruits like Tarzan, coaches like Jane

When fans like you start mumbling about how upset you are about the coach, that causes unrest with a potential 5 Star recruit that is considering UK. Must have been the fans' fault Tubby did not bring in the recruits then?

Art and I both stated a couple of years ago it was going to take awhile to get the program back to where it belongs when we had the Flubster.....You supported Flubby.......You were wrong then just like you are now about BG.Was not a fan of Tubby either, but thanks for trying. On the upside, the bar is low for Billy to reach.

[buckdroppings]

Should have hired someone with the heart of a teacher. Don't know who that is, I wasn't doing the interviews.

Even bad ball players can be taught to play good basketball consistently. Poor leadership from the coach leads to inconsistency and dysfunction on and off the court.

Looks like Bozich is coming around to that very point
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090301/COLUMNISTS01/903010489/1002/SPORTS

[buckdroppings]

Gillespie cannot not do anything about Porter dribbling down the court allowing someone come up from behind to back tip the ball away.....

Gillespie cannot help Stevenson walk and chew gum at the same time.....

Gillespie cannot prevent Meeks from forcing at least a half dozen shots yesterday........

Gillespie cannot make his front line guys move when Patterson get the ball on the blocks and then get double or triple teamed.....

If he can't do this he is not coaching.

recruiting is not coaching, it's recruiting. Not one kid playing in the NCAA toady came out of high school playing the way they play today. Their coach trained them to play the way they play today.

[KY_Fried]

There seems to be a running theme here, and that's "Gilllespie cannot." So what exactly can he do? I agree that a lot of KY fans have unrealistic expectations but come on. Other then his past reputation I'm just not seeing much light at the end of the tunnel with Gillespie. As for who we should have got, I'm not sure, Huggins maybe? I think he was available at the time and has done a lot more with a lot less at WV.

[Scott7m]

Pay me the $35,000 MB should have paid for a full scale executive search firm to gather background info rather than blundering into it blindly (like most top programs do) and I'll gladly give you a list.

BTW: according to attorneys involved with it that I know, the reason he hasn't signed the contract is he doesn't like the for cause firing clause that is standard in every coaching contract. Wonder why that is?


lol you know a few supposivley "smart people" and you think they know all! who cares!

Man! you even think it doesn't help that much to have great athleticism!

We have no point guard, we have 1 big man thats worth anything, no center to speak of, 1 shooting guard, and well........... thats about it, miller is starting to look better as is galloway, but with really only 2 players out there it's hard to do anything.

These other players like Ramon Harris don't belong at UK, they belong at places like Murray State or Morehead State, Not a division 1 powerhouse! But you can think your good buddy Tubby for bringing that crap in!

[maxcam]

Billy Donovan.....won a couple championships just before Gillespie landed in Kentucky......Im watching him with nearly the exact same record as Kentucky.....I suppose he cant coach either....

Bruce Pearl......You know the coach that everybody thought was the second coming....He is suffering from amnesia because he has forgotten how to coach as well........

[Fat Tony]

Should have hired someone with the heart of a teacher. Don't know who that is, I wasn't doing the interviews.

Even bad ball players can be taught to play good basketball consistently. Poor leadership from the coach leads to inconsistency and dysfunction on and off the court.

Looks like Bozich is coming around to that very point
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090301/COLUMNISTS01/903010489/1002/SPORTS

Bozich and droves of folks at Rupp get it and Billy has the smarts and the guts to admit that this team should be playing much better than it is.

Kentucky lost a game it should have won, and needed to win, against Louisiana State 73-70 in Rupp Arena yesterday. UK coach Billy Gillispie said the loss was 100 percent his responsibility.

And yet for some the band keeps playing on the deck of the Titanic.

[maxcam]

Bozich and droves of folks at Rupp get it


Hopefully they will dump their season tickets! Then we can again have a home court advantage.........

[ryan hickey]

what a classy news conference. first thing he does is accept responsibility for the loss. THEN, blames a player, WOW, can't remember the last time i've seen this happen - mind boggling really.

maxcam's post just really blew me away. i mean if he can't teach, then he can't coach - its really JUST THAT SIMPLE. i could see sticking up for the guy if he possessed an OUNCE of class, but this guy is a jerk ya'll. like i said before, so was pitino, BUT HE COULD COACH. this cat has to go....

[maxcam]

what a classy news conference. first thing he does is accept responsibility for the loss. THEN, blames a player, WOW, can't remember the last time i've seen this happen - mind boggling really.

maxcam's post just really blew me away. i mean if he can't teach, then he can't coach - its really JUST THAT SIMPLE. i could see sticking up for the guy if he possessed an OUNCE of class, but this guy is a jerk ya'll. like i said before, so was pitino, BUT HE COULD COACH. this cat has to go....

Ryan did you ever stop to think that if he would have picked another player than the one he did then things might have turned out differently.....Thus it was his fault.........Of course not......That would be to literal of an interpretation for you wouldnt it?

As to your second comment......Have you ever played college ball? I have!

You cannot teach instinct.....You cannot teach coordination or agility speed or strength.....You cannot teach athleticism.......You cannot teach heart and desire.....All those things are god given talents......You can improve them only a fraction......That is why not every kid that puts on a uniform plays college sports........

Those players should never been brought in to play at the University of Kentucky to begin with.

Florida gets Corey Brewer
Tennessee gets Chris Lofton
Uk gets Jared Carter........

Get the picture?

[Art]

This thread is getting funny. People hate Gillispie because he is (allegedly) a drunk, but claim we should have brought in Huggins? ROTFL! Didn't we beat Huggins and WV this year? Seems like we did.

The bottom line is that Gillispie has been the coach of the year in every conference he's coached in, including the SEC. To me, that says a whole lot more then the opinions of the haters here or in the papers who are still angry that Tubby left.

I still don't see any credible opinions about who we should have hired. It's pretty sad that not even 1 name can be posted up that would have been a better choice at that time, or now. UK should never have to hire a search firm to find them a coach, we should have carte blanch. Wonder why we didn't?

For those of you that think there are no kids that come out of High school who are not stars when they arrive and are coached to be one, please do not make me list hundreds of names that totally debunk that theory. Some kids can't dribble when they leave high school, some can dominate the NBA. Some can be improved in college, others can't. That doesn't mean that a good coach can turn any kid into a star. Porter was not, nor ever will be a good player. He was not a PG then or now. Let him transfer to UNC and see if Roy Williams can make him better. I'm betting he can't.

[Art]

what a classy news conference. first thing he does is accept responsibility for the loss. THEN, blames a player, WOW, can't remember the last time i've seen this happen - mind boggling really.

maxcam's post just really blew me away. i mean if he can't teach, then he can't coach - its really JUST THAT SIMPLE. i could see sticking up for the guy if he possessed an OUNCE of class, but this guy is a jerk ya'll. like i said before, so was pitino, BUT HE COULD COACH. this cat has to go....

Stewarts help defense on the last play came way too late, obviously. I think BG was eluding to that fact. What's wrong with saying your player screwed up? Was it the coaches fault when Chris Weber called a TO in the FF in 93? Would it be wrong to say he screwed up?

[ryan hickey]

Ryan did you ever stop to think that if he would have picked another player than the one he did then things might have turned out differently.....Thus it was his fault.........Of course not......That would be to literal of an interpretation for you wouldnt it?

As to your second comment......Have you ever played college ball? I have!

You cannot teach instinct.....You cannot teach coordination or agility speed or strength.....You cannot teach athleticism.......You cannot teach heart and desire.....All those things are god given talents......You can improve them only a fraction......That is why not every kid that puts on a uniform plays college sports........

Those players should never been brought in to play at the University of Kentucky to begin with.

Florida gets Corey Brewer
Tennessee gets Chris Lofton
Uk gets Jared Carter........

Get the picture?


i got the picture max, u played for an idiot coach who couldn't teach either it it seems. was he a jerk like billyG as well? u wanna tell me what kind of coach in this day and age just tosses a kid under the bus like that in a press conference?! maybe u rip the kid a new one in the locker room in front of his teammates, BUT THAT IS WHERE IT ENDS man. u don't go draggin that crap out to the media, we're talkin about a KID man. either man up and take responsibility or don't - don't say it was my fault, then proceed to blame it on some kid who busts his tail for you. i'm embarassed for billy, what a pitiful display of classlessness. ever think roy williams would do something like that? this university deserves better period.

[maxcam]

what a classy news conference. first thing he does is accept responsibility for the loss. THEN, blames a player, WOW, can't remember the last time i've seen this happen - mind boggling really.

maxcam's post just really blew me away. i mean if he can't teach, then he can't coach - its really JUST THAT SIMPLE. i could see sticking up for the guy if he possessed an OUNCE of class, but this guy is a jerk ya'll. like i said before, so was pitino, BUT HE COULD COACH. this cat has to go....

And on a side note about class......Did you watch the memorial service for Bill Keightley? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31yzD2uKJ1w&feature=related

Or how about the woman in Lincoln County BG helped out? http://www.wkyt.com/sports/headlines/15741667.html

Now you want to get on here and say he doesnt have any class.....?

[ryan hickey]

Stewarts help defense on the last play came way too late, obviously. I think BG was eluding to that fact. What's wrong with saying your player screwed up? Was it the coaches fault when Chris Weber called a TO in the FF in 93? Would it be wrong to say he screwed up?


ummmmm yeah, what a dumb question. if u are the coach, u DON'T BLAME ANYBODY but yourself. on the last play, they were supposed to switch, so it wasn't stewart's fault, but rather galloway's that billy was referring to (fyi).


did the webber's coach in '93 get up in the press conference and blame the loss on webber? case closed. can't believe we're arguin about this.

[ryan hickey]

And on a side note about class......Did you watch the memorial service for Bill Keightley? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31yzD2uKJ1w&feature=related

Or how about the woman in Lincoln County BG helped out? http://www.wkyt.com/sports/headlines/15741667.html

Now you want to get on here and say he doesnt have any class.....?


PLEASE try to stay on topic, this ain't about some poor woman he helped out or bill keightley either - i think u know that. who cares how many folks he helps out if continues to throw his own players under the bus. how many coaches who recruit against us will show that speech to kids we're trying to recruit? i know if i was recruiting against billyG i would bring up at every oppurtunity.


still stickin to my guns max - no class.

[maxcam]

i got the picture max, u played for an idiot coach who couldn't teach either it it seems.

Yeah....they were all idiots.....In the 80's our hs had the highest winning percentage in public schools statewide in 4A. I never lost to Trinity or St X. Still the only public school to own St X three years in a row! :D

Then went to college and played for a guy by the name of Feix....Ever heard of him....Legendary to the program, oh and did I mention he produced 3 NFL coaches from his staffs......Joe Bugel, Jerry Glanville and Romeo Crennell......I guess he was an idiot too.......

[ryan hickey]

Yeah....they were all idiots.....In the 80's our hs had the highest winning percentage in public schools statewide in 4A. I never lost to Trinity or St X. Still the only public school to own St X three years in a row! :D

Then went to college and played for a guy by the name of Feix....Ever heard of him....Legendary to the program, oh and did I mention he produced 3 NFL coaches from his staffs......Joe Bugel, Jerry Glanville and Romeo Crennell......I guess he was an idiot too.......


so you're a 'legendary' football player telling me how to play basketball? NOW, i'm impressed!!:rolleyes:

[Scott7m]

Some say billy has no class, I say to heck with class..... I get tired of seeing these politically correct butt kissers brown nosing anyone willing to give them a sniff!

he has a job where he is held on a higher standard than any of us here, what makes that fair? His private life needs to remain private as far as that is concerned.

[KYHUNTER14]

Class is only being brought up in this conversation because UK is not living up to expectations. If we were 25-4 instead of 19-10, noone would care about how big of a jerk Billy is.

It would set the program back quite a bit to get rid of Billy in less than 4 years. I figure he deserves a chance to coach his own players. Personally, I dont think he is much of a coach. Have seen in person him be terribly outcoached. Whether he is not smart enough to make adjustments or just too stubborn to change his ways, I do not know. I hope he turns it around.

[Art]

ummmmm yeah, what a dumb question. if u are the coach, u DON'T BLAME ANYBODY but yourself. on the last play, they were supposed to switch, so it wasn't stewart's fault, but rather galloway's that billy was referring to (fyi).


did the webber's coach in '93 get up in the press conference and blame the loss on webber? case closed. can't believe we're arguin about this.

All I know is that had tubby been the coach, it would have been the players fault. Since BG is our coach now, it's his. There's a limit to what a coach can accomplish from the bench and what production he can get from untalented players. Yours and Fat Tony's opinions are based on your dislike of the coach first and foremost, and reality second.

The fact that we are even having this conversation 1.5 years into his tenure is ridiculous. You were sticking up for Tubby until the day he bailed. Why are you so quick to call for BG's head? Afterall, a good portion of this team is still the foundation Tubby left us with.

[maxcam]

so you're a 'legendary' football player telling me how to play basketball? NOW, i'm impressed!!:rolleyes:

At least im legendary in something......Whats your excuse.....?

[maxcam]

All I know is that had tubby been the coach, it would have been the players fault. Since BG is our coach now, it's his. There's a limit to what a coach can accomplish from the bench and what production he can get from untalented players. Yours and Fat Tony's opinions are based on your dislike of the coach first and foremost, and reality second.

The fact that we are even having this conversation 1.5 years into his tenure is ridiculous. You were sticking up for Tubby until the day he bailed. Why are you so quick to call for BG's head? Afterall, a good portion of this team is still the foundation Tubby left us with.

No doubt......Tubby would have gotten another pass to fail miserably at recruiting and having the most inept offense in america.....

[Art]

No doubt......Tubby would have gotten another pass to fail miserably at recruiting and having the most inept offense in america.....

Because he was the nicest guy...:rolleyes:

[superrman77]

I agree with Art and many others on this. I can not believe we are having this discussion about Billy 1 1/2 years in to the job.

[Ky'sFinest]

The fact that we are even having this conversation 1.5 years into his tenure is ridiculous.


a good portion of this team is still the foundation Tubby left us with.


ding ding ding ding ding din, we have a winner. TKO.

gillispie is still trying to make something of tubby's lazy leftovers. give him some slack. when tubby couldn't get the guys to cooperate he hired a freakin psychiatrist to come to practices and games.

wait until we get a gillespie team playing gillespie ball. all the good stuff you seen with joe crawford and ramel bradley and meeks isn't tubby's creation.

[Art]

My biggest complaint (to be fair) about BG is the fact that he's stuck with Tubby's players for far too long. It's time to glue the arses of Harris, Porter, Stewart, and possibly Stevenson to the bench until their senior night. They represent the past of this program, not the future.

[buckdroppings]

More fuel:D

http://www.state-journal.com/news/article/4536719

[maxcam]

Yeah nothing like a liberal reporter to bring you the facts.......How many relied on them to get the skinny on Brotha Barry?

[Fat Tony]

More fuel:D

http://www.state-journal.com/news/article/4536719

For those with the stomach to read someone with the gall to question the King of Lexington...


Has Gillispie thrown away season?

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By BRIAN RICKERD/State Journal Sports Writer
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LEXINGTON - I'm not going to suggest that University of Kentucky officials fire Coach Billy Gillispie for throwing away this basketball season " which A. He has and B. Some fans are.
Though, now that I mention it, would it be considered a "firing" when your coach doesn't have a contract with the university he allegedly works for?
But that's drifting off subject. My point is, I would have to see Gillispie's wacky moves and bouts of classless behavior with the media (it's true that you see a person's class much more clearly in hard times then you do in good times) continue another year or two to the point that you could call it a trend, as opposed to what it is right now " a waste of one season.
That waste continued Saturday as the Wildcats wasted a wonderful second-half effort in losing a crucial SEC game to LSU, 73-70, at Rupp Arena....

[AteUp]

Yeah....they were all idiots.....In the 80's our hs had the highest winning percentage in public schools statewide in 4A. I never lost to Trinity or St X. Still the only public school to own St X three years in a row! :D


Congrats on owning St X for 3 years in a row in the 80's. Question: How far did X go in the playoffs those years that you beat them in the regular season? Tried to look it up, but it was before the internet and I don't have access to the dead sea scrolls to verify for accuracy.

[maxcam]

Congrats on owning St X for 3 years in a row in the 80's. Question: How far did X go in the playoffs those years that you beat them in the regular season? Tried to look it up, but it was before the internet and I don't have access to the dead sea scrolls to verify for accuracy.

We played them the season opener all three years....

80-81 we beat them at the fairgrounds 14-0
81-82 we beat them again at the fairgrounds 27-14
82-83 we beat them again at Southern and I think it was 28-13

After the physical pounding we put on em I don't remember them making it in the playoffs......

I think BD played for the championship in 80-81
DeSales played in it 81-82
and we played in it 82-83

Beat Trinity in the county championship in 82-83 17-16........

[Ky'sFinest]

My biggest complaint (to be fair) about BG is the fact that he's stuck with Tubby's players for far too long. It's time to glue the arses of Harris, Porter, Stewart, and possibly Stevenson to the bench until their senior night. They represent the past of this program, not the future.


i completely agree.

[Big_country]

I dont know what you all are so upset over! Did you really think BG was gonna take a group of young un-seasoned players and win the national championship or something. i mean sure he is an A$# infront of the media, but he has done some good things this yr. he beat florida, swept a Tenn team that was picked to dominate the SEC and beat Marquette and Georgetown at the beggining of the yr. they played LSU close , and granted i think he could have been smarter about holding on to that second half lead.. but dang. You Ky fans aint gonna be happy with nobody that aint winning championships every single yr..:rolleyes:

[ukyager]

Seems to me that the day Tubby left, most people on this board were under the same thought that it would take about 3 years before UK would be headed down the right path no matter who we hired. That being said, it is only natural to figure out where to point the finger as to what is UK's biggest problem, IMO we have a lot of them, mostly no true talent on the court (not counting P.P. and J.M.) nor is there anyone that can step in and give UK any good min. off the bench ( no valuable upper class men). Does BCG make some questionable choices on the floor, yes but look at who he has to use to make those choices come to light. As far as class goes BCG is no worse than Pitino, Knight, Huggins, etc. All of these coach's have either been jerks on the floor or at a press conf., or had off court issues, but these guys had built there resumes, BCG is just now building his whether it's good or bad is yet to be determined.
Lets give it time to play out, If we can give Tubby 10 years, we can give BCG 3 at least!

[BIGDAWG]

1985 Trinity (Louisville) Dennis Lampley 28-7 Lafayette Tom Fee KFEC Cardinal Stadium, Louisville
1984 Christian County Dan Goble 14-10 Ballard Bob Redman KFEC Cardinal Stadium, Louisville
1983 Trinity (Louisville) Roger Gruneisen 26-7\ Owensboro Larry Moore KFEC Cardinal Stadium, Louisville
1982 Christian County Dan Goble 10-3 Southern Danny Dohn KFEC Cardinal Stadium, Louisville
1981 Henry Clay Jake Bell 20-7 DeSales Ron Madrick KFEC Cardinal Stadium, Louisville
1980 Trinity (Louisville) Roger Gruneisen 31-8 Paducah Tilghman Dan Haley KFEC Cardinal Stadium, Louisville
1979 Butler Joe Hood 21-7 Henry Clay Jake Bell KFEC Cardinal Stadium, Louisville
1978 St. Xavier Mike Stewart 42-21 Tates Creek Roy Walton KFEC Cardinal Stadium, Louisville
1977 Trinity (Louisville) Dave Moore 28-7 Greenup County Bill Trent KFEC Cardinal Stadium, Louisville
1976 Trinity (Louisville) Dave Moore 28-24 Henderson

[deadaim]

ding ding ding ding ding din, we have a winner. TKO.

gillispie is still trying to make something of tubby's lazy leftovers. give him some slack. when tubby couldn't get the guys to cooperate he hired a freakin psychiatrist to come to practices and games.

wait until we get a gillespie team playing gillespie ball. all the good stuff you seen with joe crawford and ramel bradley and meeks isn't tubby's creation.

UK is arguably playing in one of the weakest SEC leagues in many a year.....only LSU a ranked team.
No, UK doesn't have final 4 talent....or top ten talent, but I fully expected this team to be ranked in the top 25 by season's end. IMO, this Kentucky team has underachieved this season and it is the coach's responsibility to motivate, teach and put his players in the best position to win. Continuing to start Porter and Harris over Galloway and Miller makes no sense to me. In addition, a coach who continues to play man to man while his team is getting sliced and diced by quicker guards makes no sense to me. I know some posters say forget the zone...he won't play it ever. Well, a zone defense was played by Rupp, Hall, Sutton, Pitino, and Tubby and there were many games that a zone won games! I will never defend a coach who refuses to ever change his defense even when it is costing his team the game.
There are many variations of the zone defense...1-3-1...2-3....3-2.....2-2-1...etc. Billy has bet the farm on always playing a man to man and IMO, it has cost UK several games. Any coach who would play a man to man 100% or a zone 100% is going to cost his team games!

UK is 37-23 under Gillispie so far with 9 home losses at Rupp arena.....plus 8-6 in a very weak SEC. Count me among those that is disappointed in this season.

Coach Gillispie deserves at least 4 seasons at UK and next season will be extremely important. I like Coach Gillispie and I'm pulling for him to succeed, but, quite frankly, I'm less confident in his ability to turn this program around. I hope I'm wrong.

Lastly, let me say that I've noticed posters who esentially give Gillispie a pass on everything and those who want to throw him under the bus. I am neither.....just a very concerned UK fan that feels this season should have been much better and that this team has underachieved.

[Ky'sFinest]

UK is arguably playing in one of the weakest SEC leagues in many a year.....only LSU a ranked team.
No, UK doesn't have final 4 talent....or top ten talent, but I fully expected this team to be ranked in the top 25 by season's end. IMO, this Kentucky team has underachieved this season and it is the coach's responsibility to motivate, teach and put his players in the best position to win. Continuing to start Porter and Harris over Galloway and Miller makes no sense to me. In addition, a coach who continues to play man to man while his team is getting sliced and diced by quicker guards makes no sense to me. I know some posters say forget the zone...he won't play it ever. Well, a zone defense was played by Rupp, Hall, Sutton, Pitino, and Tubby and there were many games that a zone won games! I will never defend a coach who refuses to ever change his defense even when it is costing his team the game.
There are many variations of the zone defense...1-3-1...2-3....3-2.....2-2-1...etc. Billy has bet the farm on always playing a man to man and IMO, it has cost UK several games. Any coach who would play a man to man 100% or a zone 100% is going to cost his team games!

UK is 37-23 under Gillispie so far with 9 home losses at Rupp arena.....plus 8-6 in a very weak SEC. Count me among those that is disappointed in this season.

Coach Gillispie deserves at least 4 seasons at UK and next season will be extremely important. I like Coach Gillispie and I'm pulling for him to succeed, but, quite frankly, I'm less confident in his ability to turn this program around. I hope I'm wrong.

Lastly, let me say that I've noticed posters who esentially give Gillispie a pass on everything and those who want to throw him under the bus. I am neither.....just a very concerned UK fan that feels this season should have been much better and that this team has underachieved.


i am no future reader but when i listen to BCG on the radio i get a sense that he knows more than he gets credited for. i say ol billy has got it figured out. if coaching was easy as the fans act like bcg wouldn't be making such good money.

[Art]

i am no future reader but when i listen to BCG on the radio i get a sense that he knows more than he gets credited for. i say ol billy has got it figured out. if coaching was easy as the fans act like bcg wouldn't be making such good money.

I agree. The man knows his basketball and it's predictable who's going to end up looking like a fool when they challenge him. The ONLY thing I wish BG would do is maybe throw a zone at other teams a couple of times a game. Not because I think the zone is a better D, but I think the switch could throw a team off for a few minutes.

I don't know if any of you listened to the BG call in show yesterday or not. One caller called in and just slammed Porter, Stevenson, and Harris, saying that they sucked. He said they had no business in a UK uniform and should be playing at Georgetown college because they were doing nothing here. Now even though I agree with the guy word for word, that's not something you should say to BG and expect him to agree with, even though we all know he probably does.

There was a long, quiet pause and BG just slammed the guy. He told him that wasn't a question, it was a statement and that when someone says something bad about ANY of his players, he takes it personal. The audience there just erupted. I thought it was a class move on his part, and it was the same reaction the the ESPN gal got before halftime. You will not hear him disrespect ANY of his players and I respect that.

[buckdroppings]

Expectations are sullied for more that just the squeamish.

http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=9933097&nav=menu203_4

Thank you Mr. Casey

[slickhead slayer]

Expectations are sullied for more that just the squeamish.

http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=9933097&nav=menu203_4

Thank you Mr. Casey

This Mike Casey stuff is getting alot of press. I know Mike, his daughter and his whole family. The guy was one of the greatest players ever at UK, no doubt. But why do so many people believe that makes him the final opinion when it comes to coaching? Gillispie has been coaching for 20 years, whats Mike been doing for the last 20 years? Well, I will tell you. He has been a salesman for Balfour, selling highschool class rings. Thats no knock on Mike, because Mike is a good guy. I just don't know why so many are taking the word of a ring salesman over a veteran college coach.

[buckdroppings]

I don't think you need to be a coach just to recognize when a team is not living up to standards. Though talent, and BG vs Tubby have been beat to death here, a lot has to be said for the lack of fire in this team. To me that falls back on no one but the coach and his program.

20 years of coaching(most as an assistant) doesn't give you credibility over the obvious. Ring salesman or ball player, fans/students of the most storied program in basketball have legitimate expectations which aren't being met. We can argue and disagree over why they aren't being met but it doesn't change the reality we are not as good as we could be. Whether he gets 2 years or 5 from what I've seen out of him this far, he is not the coach who will lead us back to prominence.

[GSPonGrouse]

I don't think you need to be a coach just to recognize when a team is not living up to standards. Though talent, and BG vs Tubby have been beat to death here, a lot has to be said for the lack of fire in this team. To me that falls back on no one but the coach and his program.

20 years of coaching(most as an assistant) doesn't give you credibility over the obvious. Ring salesman or ball player, fans/students of the most storied program in basketball have legitimate expectations which aren't being met. We can argue and disagree over why they aren't being met but it doesn't change the reality we are not as good as we could be. Whether he gets 2 years or 5 from what I've seen out of him this far, he is not the coach who will lead us back to prominence.
What "legitimate expectations which aren't being met" Are you speaking of? What where your expectations for this team? Just how good did you expect them to be? The rest of the world picked them 3rd or 4th in the SEC East. This a team returning 1 Senior. A group of Juniors that only 1 of which is a legitimate starter.( and he didn't play most of his previous year) 1 Good Soph, a couple JUCO transfers and a couple of promising freshman.
Just how high was your expectations.
Now the Point MP, DL, & KG Only 1 of which has even been through BCG's warm up drills. For the other 2 this is all new. So Porter at point. Or a freshman or a JUCO transfer. How high are those expectations again.
Not to mention the fact that the coaching. This is just there 2nd year together. There is no upper class men to be team leaders. No battle hardened back court to help calm things down and get that bucket to stop the bleeding. Even Meeks is a Soph if you figure games played.
Did you watch last season? The one where 2 Seniors in the back court over achieved for the first time in there career. And BCG got co-coach of the year. Look at who returned from that team and tell me how much better you thought they would do this year. Look at our starters and the next few off the bench. Leave out JM and PP and tell me who could start or even see minutes for 1 team in the top 25. I'll help you. NOT ONE! And this is the same team that we knew we had from the end of last year. All summer long the question was who will be at point. And it is the problem now. Its not BCG fault, he went and signed the best available guy as in-coming freshman and as a JUCO transfers to help.
So just how overly exaggerated was your expectations for this team again?
Yes this is UK and yes we have a great tradition and expect a lot from the BB team. But there is no magic potion in the water bottles that will turn Harrelson into Bird, Liggins into Magic or even Carter into Rob Lock.

[buckdroppings]

My expectations are not measured with the victories they are measured with the progression of the "team". Did I think they would win more than last year, not necessarily. I do expect this team to be better now than it was at the beginning of the season which in my opinion it isn't. Experience that you list has less to do with it than it used too. Many other teams are more successful with the same experienced players.

I expect that a coach can see that Porter is horrible and the two freshmen he brought in are at a minimum his equal at the beginning of the season. So why not play them all season so that at least by now they would have more experience and better off for next year or tourny time. Why only have the same tired offensive set that keeps getting two of the best players in college spanked defensively. That is not fair to them or the team. He keeps doing the same crap over and over. The first half of the season all you heard was feed Patterson and Meeks had the green light. Well of course no one else can do anything but pass by now. That is all there allowed to do.

Better coaching with this team in my opinion would lead to more victories. Even if it didn't losing to a better team is better than watching them beat themselves.

[GSPonGrouse]

My expectations are not measured with the victories they are measured with the progression of the "team". Did I think they would win more than last year, not necessarily. I do expect this team to be better now than it was at the beginning of the season which in my opinion it isn't. Experience that you list has less to do with it than it used too. Many other teams are more successful with the same experienced players.

I expect that a coach can see that Porter is horrible and the two freshmen he brought in are at a minimum his equal at the beginning of the season. So why not play them all season so that at least by now they would have more experience and better off for next year or tourny time. Why only have the same tired offensive set that keeps getting two of the best players in college spanked defensively. That is not fair to them or the team. He keeps doing the same crap over and over. The first half of the season all you heard was feed Patterson and Meeks had the green light. Well of course no one else can do anything but pass by now. That is all there allowed to do.

Better coaching with this team in my opinion would lead to more victories. Even if it didn't losing to a better team is better than watching them beat themselves.

With the worst team talent wise that I can remember. No upper class men that can or will step up. (JM is excluded) No point guard. No bench. and the list goes on and on.
Vandy has a more talented team top to bottom than we do. Yes I said it. Vandy has a more talented team than UK. VANDY! If that doesn't make you want to puke? And who's fault is it? It sure isn't BCG.
BUT
19 wins, 2 away from securing a spot in the NCAA tourney. This will be a 20+ win season. And most likely a tourney bid. (Is Vandy even on the bubble?) Has it all been candy and nuts? No, but based on what he has to work with I say nice job coach.
Add on next years class and the future looks brighter than it has in the 10 years. And that is progress.
"Experience that you list has less to do with it than it used too."
Are you delusional? go back and look at the teams that made us look bad. Look at there back courts and how much experience they have.
Just look at LSU, best team in the SEC. There top 5 in minutes played 3 Seniors a junior and a Soph. There bottom 5 in min played 4 freshman (They only have 4) and a junior They only dress 12, 5 of which are Seniors.
VMI top 5 minutes played. 3 seniors
Miami top 5 in minutes played. 3 seniors 2 juniors
USC 1 senior 3 juniors and a soph
Should I keep going?
Oh yeah Vandy the team with more "Talent" but not even on the bubble. 0 seniors and 3 juniors on the whole team.
Sounds like Uk 0 seniors that play and a junior that can play but has the game time of a Soph. The other juniors get playing time because of experience only and yet we have a better than good chance at the NCAA.
That is poor coaching.:rolleyes:

[Art]

At least BG stopped Vandy from sweeping us year after year.

[Feedman]

Derrick Jasper would have made a huge difference in this team this year. The next couple of years BCG will load the roster with his players. We are still going to be a young team. Hopefully no one will transfer or quit the team. If PP leaves early, it will leave a hugh void.
We need some outside shooters coming in at both the forward spot and guard position. Take pressure off of the center (PP) and Shooting guard (JM).
What would you give to have Joe Crawford back this year!!!

[Art]

Derrick Jasper would have made a huge difference in this team this year. The next couple of years BCG will load the roster with his players. We are still going to be a young team. Hopefully no one will transfer or quit the team. If PP leaves early, it will leave a hugh void.
We need some outside shooters coming in at both the forward spot and guard position. Take pressure off of the center (PP) and Shooting guard (JM).
What would you give to have Joe Crawford back this year!!!

That really is the biggest problem with this team, no PG. Legion and Jasper leaving really hurt us, but hey, we don't need weak kids on the team. I would think that there would be a very talented PG out there looking at UK and thinking it would be the best school to come to get immediate playing time.

If I was John Wall, I'd be wanting to know if PP is coming back next year. Meeks already is.;) If so, he could come here and play with some really good players next year and just be explosive. Why would he go to some other school that already has other PG's that he will compete with for PT? I would hope that BG is really focusing on getting an outstanding PG in here by next season. If he doesn't, he'll be coaching at Minnesota in a couple of years.

[Blood River]

Im like alot of people on this thread and think that we should give BG four years. I have questioned his starting rotation this year but like ART has said im not at practice ect. He has brought in some good talent Be patient guys.

I heard we gave the shaft to Jasper last year by having him play with his ankle not being 100%. Also heard he has not played much at all if any this year.

Cant we make it to the big dance if we win the SEC Tournament?

[buckdroppings]

We are not going to get anywhere trying to convince each other. Only time will tell. I hope you guys are right and I am proven wrong. I am generally optimistic but when I see guys, who have talent or not, make stupid plays because of bad fundamentals it concerns me.

Is it wrong to expect certain things like; passes to the post made from the wing(high percentage) and not over the top from the top of the key(low percentage). Passes made not being consistently lazy and telegraphed from the top of the key. Double and triple teamed players finding the open man to pass to. Guys who obviously don't have the range to shoot a 3 position themselves for medium range jumpers. At least attempting a zone defense to help out slower defenders. A motion offense that opens guys up rather than counts every time on Meeks coming off the screen covered up for a three.

I know that some things are chalked up to bad talent but some of the things I listed are and can be taught.

[superrman77]

That really is the biggest problem with this team, no PG. Legion and Jasper leaving really hurt us, but hey, we don't need weak kids on the team. I would think that there would be a very talented PG out there looking at UK and thinking it would be the best school to come to get immediate playing time.

If I was John Wall, I'd be wanting to know if PP is coming back next year. Meeks already is.;) If so, he could come here and play with some really good players next year and just be explosive. Why would he go to some other school that already has other PG's that he will compete with for PT? I would hope that BG is really focusing on getting an outstanding PG in here by next season. If he doesn't, he'll be coaching at Minnesota in a couple of years.

I think Patterson will get owned if he goes pro right now. He is not big enough to be a big man in the NBA. He will most likely be a forward. He needs to find a jump shot. If he could hit jumpers consistently he wold be a threat for sure.

[buckdroppings]

I think Patterson will get owned if he goes pro right now. He is not big enough to be a big man in the NBA. He will most likely be a forward. He needs to find a jump shot. If he could hit jumpers consistently he wold be a threat for sure.

completely agree. he needs to develop little more outside the lane.

[Fat Tony]

At least BG stopped Vandy from sweeping us year after year.
Too bad he started a new trend with South Carolinia.

[Art]

Too bad he started a new trend with South Carolinia.

One team is better than three.;)

[Fat Tony]

One team is better than three.;)

Might as well add dreadful Georgia to the list of teams that get well in a hurry at Rupp. Great x's and o's game Billy, you fraud.

[Ky'sFinest]

completely agree. he needs to develop little more outside the lane.


PP wasn't a true center anyways. he was a power forward put into a center position because your boy left us with the only big man by the name of J Carter.

yall wait and see what i have been sayin in a few years when PP is a senior and we got BG recruits with experience.

next year if we keep all players and receive orton who will play center, you just watch PP than. he will open your eyes.

[maxcam]

Might as well add dreadful Georgia to the list of teams that get well in a hurry at Rupp. Great x's and o's game Billy, you fraud.

Tony you did an awesome job leading the cheers tonight......Ive heard more noise at a funeral home.....Turn your tickets in so a real fan can enjoy the Cats.......

[GSPonGrouse]

Tony you did an awesome job leading the cheers tonight......Ive heard more noise at a funeral home.....Turn your tickets in so a real fan can enjoy the Cats.......
Great Post!!!

[Fat Tony]

Tony you did an awesome job leading the cheers tonight......Ive heard more noise at a funeral home.....Turn your tickets in so a real fan can enjoy the Cats.......

Spend a few bucks and make the drive to Rupp for the game rather than sitting on your duff and pointing fingers at the folks at Rupp. Come lead your own cheers. You can start up your very own CBG fan section. And there was plenty of noise at the end of the game when thousands were yelling at Billy Clyde to get the hell of the court for good.

[GSPonGrouse]

Spend a few bucks and make the drive to Rupp for the game rather than sitting on your duff and pointing fingers at the folks at Rupp. Come lead your own cheers. You can start up your very own CBG fan section. And there was plenty of noise at the end of the game when thousands were yelling at Billy Clyde to get the hell of the court for good.
I have been to my share of games over the years. I lived a couple blocks from Rupp and walked there for the games. Had a "Ticket guy" on speed dial. I hated Tubby as a coach. But I stood and clapped every game. Win or loose. I may have cussed all the way home and for the rest of the night. But I and any True fan would never BOO or trow bottles at the team or head coach IN RUPP. YOU WANT TO TALK TRADITION AND THEN CONDONE AND TAKE PART IN THAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR, IN RUPP NO LESS. :mad:

[Fat Tony]

If I'm CBC, the scariest part of who was on their feet screaming at him where the bottles seemed to be coming from is that it seemed to be from the high rent district seats. Guessing Mitch is getting some calls from dudes in high tax brackets asking why the heck they should write checks to the school right about now.

[buckdroppings]

PP wasn't a true center anyways. he was a power forward put into a center position because your boy left us with the only big man by the name of J Carter.

yall wait and see what i have been sayin in a few years when PP is a senior and we got BG recruits with experience.

next year if we keep all players and receive orton who will play center, you just watch PP than. he will open your eyes.

I don't doubt that. He has done extremely well with what he has been give and the role the team needs him at

[Tim T]

In case you guys are wondering, I STILL want to know who we should have hired.


I would say Travis Ford. The guy has won everywhere he has been. Campbellsville College, EKU to the NCAA tournament, UMass beat U of L in freedom Hall and took them to the tourney. In his first season at Oklahoma St. he is 20-9, 9-6 in conference and in fourth place. Plus, he is doing a good job of recruiting.

[Fat Tony]

Don't know if I'd want to hire him or not, but Travis Ford has done a very nice job with an incredibly limited roster in a conference that is a lot tougher than this year's SEC.

[Tim T]

Don't know if I'd want to hire him or not, but Travis Ford has done a very nice job with an incredibly limited roster in a conference that is a lot tougher than this year's SEC.

Tony, why are you not sure if he would be a good hire? he is a Kentucky boy, who understands what it is to wear the uniform. He is from a coaching family. Played under a very good coach. Has been successful at each stop. What would be the drawbacks in your opinion?

[Fat Tony]

I say I'm not sure only because I have not really looked into him other than watching his team play 3 times this season. But I have been impressed with what he has done this year with a short bench and after his best PF quit the team in December.