Live Coons

[Tyler Hart]

Does anyone know where I could get some live coons to turn out in front of some young dogs? If so where and how much?

Thanks

[Multidigits]

They're free, if you can climb. Just wait till spring and you'll be able to catch a few. Be warned, even the little ones are mean as hell,

[ulysesj]

Live trap them, when you turn it loose though, don't let the hound catch him, might hurt the dog,and scare him.

Uj

[warden310]

Don't be carrying live or dead coons around, now that the season is over.

[Feedman]

TH,
What county do you live in. I have heard of live coons selling for $10.00.

It ain't braggin, if you can back it up.

[Tyler Hart]

Feedman, I live in Whitley Co. (southeast)

I am not sure of the laws regarding purchasing and transporting live coons. Is anyone here familiar with these laws.

Thanks

Tyler Hart

[KYhunter79]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tyler Hart</i>
<br />Feedman, I live in Whitley Co. (southeast)

I am not sure of the laws regarding purchasing and transporting live coons. Is anyone here familiar with these laws.

Thanks

Tyler Hart
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You can't transport them across state lines, thats all I know...

[Valley Station]

Gentlemen,
For those who were not listening.[:)][;)]
There may be a "clue" in regards to the law of transporting live raccoons "out of season" in Warden310's previous post.

[Tyler Hart]

I know as a former quail hunter that you can buy and transport quail at anytime during the year. I did not know if there was a similar law for coons.

[GSP]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by warden310</i>
<br />Don't be carrying live or dead coons around, now that the season is over.
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[Valley Station]

Tyler,
Actually the way the law is written, <u>it is illegal to have pen raised quail in your possession without a permit issued from KDFWR</u>.Most officers do not enforce that regulation, but could legally issue a citation for illegal possession of quail.[V][B)]
Kentucky needs to write some new regulations pertaining to this.[8]

[Feedman]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Valley Station</i>
<br />Gentlemen,
For those who were not listening.[:)][;)]
There may be a "clue" in regards to the law of transporting live raccoons "out of season" in Warden310's previous post.
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Isn't it also illegal to drive over the speed limit??? How many people do it and don't get caught.

It ain't braggin, if you can back it up.

[Finn209]

In order to do it legally, you would need to get the non-commercial permit in advance, and then buy your coon from someone with a commericial permit, as long you both are in Ky. Live wildlife crossing state lines require other permits. Here's a section of the regulation -


Section 3. Taking and Possessing Native Wildlife. (1) A person shall not hold native wildlife in captivity that was not legally taken or possessed.

(2) Except as specified in subsections (6) and (7) of this section, a person holding native wildlife in captivity shall apply for and obtain a permit prior to acquiring wildlife.

(3) A person permitted to rehabilitate native wildlife as specified in 301 KAR 2:075 shall not be issued a commercial or noncommercial captive wildlife permit.

(4) Commercial captive wildlife permit.

(a) A commercial captive wildlife permit shall be required for persons wishing to sell, offer to sell, trade, or barter native wildlife. A person shall not sell, offer to sell, trade, or barter native wildlife or parts thereof, obtained from the wild.

(b) A commercial captive wildlife permit shall be renewable annually from the date of issue.

(c) The commercial captive wildlife permit fee shall be $100 a year.

(5) Noncommercial captive wildlife permits.

(a) A noncommercial captive wildlife permit is required for persons wishing to possess native wildlife, but do not intend to sell, offer for sale, trade or barter animals.

(b) A noncommercial captive wildlife permit fee shall be seventy-five (75) dollars and be renewable three (3) years from date of issue.


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[Tyler Hart]

Finn209,

Thanks for the info. That is what I was wanting to know. Do you know where I could find a listing of people who hold a commercial captive wildlife permit.

Thanks
Tyler Hart

[Finn209]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tyler Hart</i>
<br />Finn209,

Thanks for the info. That is what I was wanting to know. Do you know where I could find a listing of people who hold a commercial captive wildlife permit.

Thanks
Tyler Hart
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Tyler,
Yes, call Carrie Chappell, Comm. Lic.
at 1-800-858-1549 ext. number 441



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[mossybottoms]

finn that number went to a person in the disibility license dept--you need a updated sheet!!!

[Finn209]

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<br />finn that number went to a person in the disibility license dept--you need a updated sheet!!!
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sorry, seems like they change those often.......I'll try to find an updated one

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[snareman]

Tyler Hart,

$10.00 sounds cheap. Where are you located, they go for 15.00-20.00 in west ky.

[Tyler Hart]

Snareman

I have not been able to locate anyone around that will sell them for any price around Whitley County.

[Birdman]

Finn or anyone else that may know the answer. Didn't the commission change the regs on keeping quail and transporting them. I think this happened last fall.

[theck]

How about this one?
http://www.hunt101.com/img/135406.jpg

[Finn209]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Birdman</i>
<br />Finn or anyone else that may know the answer. Didn't the commission change the regs on keeping quail and transporting them. I think this happened last fall.
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Birdman, here's the current reg.......looks like it was changed
on 1-5-04


301 KAR 2:081. Transportation and holding of native wildlife.


RELATES TO: KRS 150.015, 150.180, 150.280, 150.290, 150.305, 150.320, 150.330, 150.360, 150.370

STATUTORY AUTHORITY: KRS 150.025, 150.180, 150.280

NECESSITY, FUNCTION, AND CONFORMITY: KRS 150.280 authorizes the department to promulgate administrative regulations to establish the procedures for the propagation and holding of protected wildlife. This administrative regulation is necessary to control the indiscriminate possession of wildlife and to insure that wildlife is humanely and properly cared for, to protect the public and native wildlife from wildlife-borne diseases, and to prevent the introduction of wildlife that might be detrimental to native fauna and flora.


Section 1. Definitions. (1) "Circus" means a traveling public entertainment show consisting of acrobats, clowns, and trained animals, but shall not include a show including wrestling bears or other direct contact between members of the public and inherently-dangerous animals.

(2) "Native wildlife" means wildlife which have historically existed or currently exist in the wild in Kentucky without introduction by man, not including naturalized introduced species such as starlings, house sparrows and Eurasian collared doves.


Section 2. (1) Except as specified in subsection (2) of this section, a person shall not import or possess:

(a) Alligator snapping turtle (Macrochelys temminckii);

(b) Black bear (Ursus americanus);

(c) Copperbelly water snake (Nerodia erythrogaster neglecta);

(d) Cougar or mountain lion (Felis concolor);

(e) Any federally threatened or endangered species;

(f) Wild turkey (Meleagris gallapovo); or

(g) Wolf (Canis lupus).

(2) The commissioner may allow the importation or possession of the species listed in subsection (1) of this section by circuses or for legitimate scientific or educational purposes by:

(a) A zoo that is:

1. A member of the American Zoo and Aquarium Association; or

2. Designated as the official zoo of a municipality.

(b) A government agency;

(c) A college or university; or

(d) A similar educational or research institution.


Section 3. Taking and Possessing Native Wildlife. (1) A person shall not hold native wildlife in captivity that was not legally taken or possessed.

(2) Except as specified in subsections (6) and (7) of this section, a person holding native wildlife in captivity shall apply for and obtain a permit prior to acquiring wildlife.

(3) A person permitted to rehabilitate native wildlife as specified in 301 KAR 2:075 shall not be issued a commercial or noncommercial captive wildlife permit.

(4) Commercial captive wildlife permit.

(a) A commercial captive wildlife permit shall be required for persons wishing to sell, offer to sell, trade, or barter native wildlife. A person shall not sell, offer to sell, trade, or barter native wildlife or parts thereof, obtained from the wild.

(b) A commercial captive wildlife permit shall be renewable annually from the date of issue.

(c) The commercial captive wildlife permit fee shall be $100 a year.

(5) Noncommercial captive wildlife permits.

(a) A noncommercial captive wildlife permit is required for persons wishing to possess native wildlife, but do not intend to sell, offer for sale, trade or barter animals.

(b) A noncommercial captive wildlife permit fee shall be seventy-five (75) dollars and be renewable three (3) years from date of issue.

(6) Bobwhite quail.

(a) Fifty (50) or fewer bobwhite quail may be possessed for personal use without a permit, provided the birds are not propagated or sold.

(b) Proof of purchase should be retained as permission to possess.

(7) Amphibians and reptiles.

(a) Except as provided for in Section 2(1) of this administrative regulation, captive wildlife permits are not required for persons taking or possessing up to five (5) individuals of each species of a native reptile or amphibian.

(b) There shall not be a limit on the number of individuals of each species possessed by a commercial or noncommercial captive wildlife permit holder, provided the permit holder does not possess more than five (5) wild-caught individuals of each species of amphibian or reptile.

(c) A captive wildlife permit shall not be required to hold reptiles with a color morphology that is distinctly different from the wild type of the same species of reptile.

(d) All commercial and noncommercial captive wildlife permit holders keeping native amphibians and reptiles shall retain:

1. A certificate of origin;

2. A bill of sale;

3. Receipted invoice; or

4. Other evidence of lawful acquisition of each individual of any taxa captively produced or legally obtained from out of state.

(e) Accurate records for animals, including wild-captured, shall be maintained for five (5) years by the permit holder and be available for inspection by a department representative at a reasonable hour. Records shall include:

1. Common and scientific names;

2. Number of reptiles or amphibians received or sold;

3. The birth dates of captive born animals;

4. The date, location and length of all wild-captured taxa; and

5. Date of all transactions including the complete name, address and phone number of the person from whom an animal was purchased, including the seller’s permit number, or to whom the animal was sold, traded, bartered, or given as a gift.

(8) Transportation permits and certificate of veterinary inspection.

(a) Prior to entry into Kentucky, a transportation permit shall be obtained for all shipments of wildlife (native and exotic). A person shall be responsible for applying for a transportation permit if he or she:

1. Receives a shipment of wildlife;

2. Imports wildlife for his or her own use or possession; or

3. Transports wildlife into and through the state to a destination outside Kentucky.

(b) A copy of a valid transportation permit shall accompany all shipments of wildlife into Kentucky.

(c) Individual transportation permits shall be valid for one (1) shipment of wildlife.

(d) Annual transportation permits shall be valid for multiple wildlife shipments for one (1) year from the date of issue. Annual transportation permit holders shall:

1. Notify the department in writing of any changes or additions subsequent to the original application so that the permit may be amended prior to future wildlife importation; and

2. Notify the department by telephone Monday though Friday between 8 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. at least forty-eight (48) hours prior to each shipment of wildlife of the date of expected shipment, source of the shipment and the species and number being shipped.

(e) All shipments of wildlife, except for amphibians and reptiles, shall be accompanied by a certificate of veterinary inspection stating that the wildlife is free of symptoms of disease. A federal quarantine certificate may be substituted for the certificate of veterinarian inspection.

(f) Fees.

1. The individual transportation permit fee shall be twenty-five (25) dollars.

2. The annual transportation permit fee shall be $250.


Section 4. Applying for Permits. (1) Applications for captive wildlife and transportation permits shall be made on standard forms.

(2) The applicant shall indicate the source of supply of the wildlife.

(3) After the permit is issued, the permit holder shall retain a bill of sale or other written proof to show that the wildlife was obtained from a legal source.

(4) A permit holder shall show this written proof to a conservation officer upon request.

(5) Applicants shall construct holding facilities that meet or exceed the enclosure specifications established in Sections 5 and 6 of this administrative regulation for each listed species to be acquired before submitting the captive wildlife application.

(6) Applicants shall possess an approved permit before acquiring animals.

(7) Failure to provide accurate, truthful and complete information on the application form shall result in:

(a) Immediate withdrawal or revocation of the permit; and

(b) Confiscation of the wildlife imported under the permit.


Section 5. Confining Facilities. (1) Cages, pens, or other enclosures for confining native wildlife shall be of sufficient structural strength to:

(a) Prevent the escape of the captive animals;

(b) Protect the caged animal from injury and predators; and

(c) Prevent the entrance of free individuals of the same species.

(2) Wing-clipped and pinioned birds may be kept in suitable unroofed enclosures even though wild birds of the same species may enter the enclosure.

(3) A person shall not maintain any native wildlife in captivity in an unsanitary or unsafe condition or in a manner that results in the maltreatment or neglect of such wildlife.

(4) Native wildlife shall not be confined in any cage or enclosure that does not meet the cage specifications in Section 6 of this administrative regulation.

(5) Cages and enclosures in which native wildlife is held in captivity shall be maintained as follows:

(a) Clean drinking water shall be provided daily in clean containers;

(b) Swimming or wading pools shall be cleaned as needed to ensure good water quality;

(c) Enclosures shall provide adequate drainage of surface water;

(d) Captive mammals and birds shall be fed daily;

(e) Food shall be of a type and quantity that meets the nutritional requirements for the particular species and shall be provided in an unspoiled and uncontaminated condition;

(f) Feeding containers shall be kept clean, and uneaten food removed within a reasonable time;

(g) A shelter shall be provided for security and protection from inclement weather;

(h) Shade or an overhead structure shall be provided in warm seasons;

(i) Fecal and food wastes shall be removed from cages daily and stored or disposed of in a manner that prevents noxious odors or insect pests;

(j) Cage and enclosures shall be ventilated to prevent noxious odors;

(k) Hard floors within cages or enclosures shall be cleaned a minimum of once weekly;

(l) Cages or enclosures with dirt floors shall be raked a minimum of once every three (3) days and the waste removed;

(m) Animals that are compatible with one (1) another may be held in the same enclosure if the required floor space is provided; and

(n) Common walls shall be constructed between animals that are not compatible so the animals cannot interact.


Section 6. Minimum Enclosure Sizes and Associated Requirements for Stationary Facilities. (1) Birds.

(a) Bobwhite quail older than fourteen (14) weeks shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. A single bobwhite quail enclosure shall be a minimum of 100 square feet.

2. There shall be an increase in one (1) square foot per additional bobwhite quail.

3. Bobwhite quail may be held in smaller breeding pens during the breeding season.

(b) Ducks shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. There shall be no more than two (2) pairs or one (1) pair and their offspring confined to an area smaller than 100 square feet;

2. There shall be at least ten (10) square feet of water that is one (1) foot or greater in depth; and

3. There shall be at least twenty (20) square feet of additional land space and five (5) square feet of water surface for each additional adult duck.

(c) Geese shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. There shall be no more than two (2) pair or one (1) pair and their offspring confined to an area smaller than 500 square feet;

2. There shall be a minimum of fifty (50) square feet of water that is two (2) feet or greater in depth; and

3. There shall be at least 100 square feet of land and twenty-five (25) square feet of water surface for each additional adult goose.

(d) Ruffed grouse shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. 200 square feet of floor space for five (5) or fewer birds with a height of at least six (6) feet; and

2. There shall be an additional twenty (20) square feet of floor space for each additional bird.

(2) Mammals.

(a) Bats shall be kept in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. Little browns, long-eared and pipistrelles shall be kept in an enclosure that is at least 6 ft. x 6 ft. x 6 ft.

2. Evening and red bats shall be kept in an enclosure that is at least 8 ft. x 12 ft. x 8 ft.

3. Big browns and hoary bats shall be kept in an enclosure that is at least 10 ft. x 20 ft. x 8 ft.

(b) Foxes, bobcats and raccoons shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. A single animal enclosure shall be 8 ft. x 8 ft. x 6 ft. width; and

2. There shall be thirty (30) square feet floor space for each additional animal.

(c) Coyotes shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. A single animal enclosure shall be 8 ft. x 8 ft. x 6 ft. width; and

2. There shall be twenty-five (25) square feet floor space for each additional animal.

(d) Beaver and otter shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. A single animal enclosure shall be 8 ft. x 12 ft. x 6 ft. with a 4 ft. x 6 ft. pool that is three (3) feet deep at one (1) end;

2. There shall be an increase in horizontal cage size and pool size by eight (8) square feet for each additional animal.

3. Otters shall have a slide and a dry place for sleeping and retreat; and

4. Beavers shall be supplied with gnawing logs and a dry place for sleeping and retreat.

(e) Muskrat and mink shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. A single animal enclosure shall be 6 ft. x 4 ft. x 3 ft. with a 2 ft. x 4 ft. pool which is two (2) feet deep at one (1) end;

2. There shall be an increase in horizontal cage size by eight (8) square feet and a pool size of two (2) square feet; and

3. Muskrats shall have gnawing material.

(f) Gray squirrels and fox squirrels shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. A single animal enclosure shall be 4 ft. x 4 ft. x 8 ft.; and

2. There shall be an increase in floor space by two (2) square feet for each additional animal.

(g) Skunk, opossum, rabbit and woodchuck shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. A single animal enclosure shall be 6 ft. x 8 ft. x 8 ft.;

2. There shall be an increase in floor space by four (4) square feet for each additional animal; and

3. Woodchucks shall have several gnawing logs approximately six (6) inches in diameter.

(h) Weasel shall be held in an enclosure with the following minimum specifications:

1. A single animal enclosure shall be 3 ft. x 3 ft. x 3 ft.; and

2. There shall be an increase in floor space by three (3) square feet for each additional animal.


Section 7. Mobile Facilities. Mobile facilities used in transporting native wildlife shall comply with the following requirements:

(1) Facilities shall be equipped to provide fresh air without injurious drafts and adequate protection from the elements;

(2) The animal housing area shall be free of engine exhaust fumes;

(3) Cages shall be large enough to ensure that each animal has sufficient room to stand erect and lay naturally;

(4) The structural strength of the enclosure shall be sufficient to contain the live animals and to withstand the normal rigors of transportation; and

(5) Wildlife transported in the same cage area shall be in compatible groups.


Section 8. Temporary Facilities. Native wildlife housed in temporary facilities or exhibits shall be housed in cages that meet the minimum cage specifications as provided in Section 6 of this administrative regulation when wildlife are present in any geographical location for more than ten (10) days.


Section 9. Inspections. (1) The holder of a captive wildlife permit shall allow a conservation officer to inspect the facilities at any reasonable time.

(2) The conservation officer shall immediately notify the permit holder and the commissioner if his inspection reveals that wildlife is being kept in unsanitary or inhumane conditions.

(3) The captive wildlife permit shall be revoked and all captive wildlife confiscated if the unsatisfactory conditions are not corrected within ten (10) days of the initial inspection.

(4) The captive wildlife permit shall be revoked and all captive wildlife confiscated if an application was not made in good faith or if the permit holder is convicted of any law violation concerning the species for which he holds the permit.

(5) Fees shall not be refunded for permits that are revoked.


Section 10. Incorporation by Reference. (1) The following material is incorporated by reference:

(a) "The Commercial and Noncommercial Captive Wildlife Permit Application, 2003 edition";

(b) "The Annual Transportation Permit Application, July 2003 edition"; and

(c) "The Individual Transportation Permit Application, July 2003 edition".

(2) This material may be inspected, copied, or obtained, subject to applicable copyright law, at the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources, #1 Game Farm Road, Frankfort, Kentucky, Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. (20 Ky.R. 2926; eff. 6-2-94; Am. 29 Ky.R. 1015; 1529; eff. 12-18-2002; 30 Ky.R. 691; 1302; eff. 1-5-04.)


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