Man you guys crack me up

[Duster]

Thread after Thread...Post after Post...All bashing Obama...It's like your afraid a republican is going to vote for him...Do you truely think what you post up here is going to change anyones mind come election time ?

[pentail]

just trying to talk some sense into a few dems that might see the light

[AteUp]

For me it's just the shock that any person in their right mind believes anything that comes out of his mouth, and will vote for him. I'm still in shock that he's a candidate for president of this here United States of America.

[Duster]

just trying to talk some sense into a few dems that might see the light


There is only a handfull that visit this site so for the most part your only preaching to the choir.

[Hammer]

what's amazing to me is how many conservatives (myself included) are on this website, and the other forum I visit most often, is almost entirely liberal where I am in the vast minority. It's much more fun over there, lol, at least when we're talking politics.

[Wildcat]

Thread after Thread...Post after Post...All bashing Obama...It's like your afraid a republican is going to vote for him...Do you truely think what you post up here is going to change anyones mind come election time ?

Sure it's a waste of time on here. Kentucky will not go for Obama so anybody voting for Obama in Kentucky will have wasted time ever voting.

[KYCatBirdHunter]

As an Obama supporter, I'm inspired by the fear and hatred of Barack Obama on this site.

[WildmanWilson]

I just want to know why someone will vote for Obama? "Hope" isn't a reason to vote for someone. He will be the worst thing ever to happen to this country.....bet on it.

[Duster]

I just want to know why someone will vote for Obama? "Hope" isn't a reason to vote for someone. He will be the worst thing ever to happen to this country.....bet on it.

For starters some are sick and tired of Bush politics and don't want to see 4 more years of the same old thing...:D

[Art]

For starters some are sick and tired of Bush politics and don't want to see 4 more years of the same old thing...:D


Well, it will certainly be a change to put someone in office who has ties to former terrorist and racist bigots. Just for kicks, throw in a touch of anti-American sentiment from his wife and a hatred of anything that deals with guns. That won't be the "same old thing" for sure. I can't wait.

I'm not totally closed minded, I'll give him a fair chance, but as a hard working, white, gun owner from a state he wouldn't even campaign in, I don't expect much.

[BigPete]

If G.W. BUSH were running today against the choices we have, I would vote for him again.

I don't like McCain or Obama, however I will vote for the lessor of the two evils,,,,,,,, In this case McCain will get my vote.

[Duster]

One thing that helps make up my mind on ANY federal level election and if you give it some thought it makes sence.


Ask yourself the question....Am I better off than I was last election....if the answer is no then the time has come to place someone else in charge. If the answer is yes then vote to keep the same party in charge. I for one can honestly say I am NOT in better shape when the republicians took the white house so I will be voteing for a change in leadership come fall..good or bad only time will tell.

[maxcam]

As an Obama supporter, I'm inspired by the fear and hatred of Barack Obama on this site.

Okay.....Post up his accomplishments and if it impresses me I might change my mind.....

Take your time and make a complete list. Normally I would do this myself, but I honestly cannot find anything worth considering.........

Please stick to facts and avoid hype. Remember George Bush ran on being a uniter so we both no that is not going to happen in Washington......

[maxcam]

One thing that helps make up my mind on ANY federal level election and if you give it some thought it makes sence.


Ask yourself the question....Am I better off than I was last election....if the answer is no then the time has come to place someone else in charge. If the answer is yes then vote to keep the same party in charge. I for one can honestly say I am NOT in better shape when the republicians took the white house so I will be voteing for a change in leadership come fall..good or bad only time will tell.

Duster I want to thank you for making it clear for all of us now.......I have to honestly say things were better for me before the last national election.

At that time the Republican party was in control of the House and Senate. Since the Democraps have taken control, inflation unemployment and gas prices have gone up and the stock market has come down.....

Good post......Keep up the good work!;)

[Art]

One thing that helps make up my mind on ANY federal level election and if you give it some thought it makes sence.


Ask yourself the question....Am I better off than I was last election....if the answer is no then the time has come to place someone else in charge. If the answer is yes then vote to keep the same party in charge. I for one can honestly say I am NOT in better shape when the republicians took the white house so I will be voteing for a change in leadership come fall..good or bad only time will tell.


Personally, I don't just feel like I'm better off then I was 4 years ago. I know I am, but if I wasn't it would be my fault, not George Bush's. I'm certainly not looking to the goverment, republican or democrat, to make my life better. That just seems like something I should handle on my own.

Do you hold the office of the president as the ONLY facet of goverment responsible for your own well being? What about the democrat controlled congress?

[Duster]

Personally, I don't just feel like I'm better off then I was 4 years ago. I know I am, but if I wasn't it would be my fault, not George Bush's. I'm certainly not looking to the goverment, republican or democrat, to make my life better. That just seems like something I should handle on my own.

Do you hold the office of the president as the ONLY facet of goverment responsible for your own well being? What about the democrat controlled congress?

Art I don't care what party they are if they don't do the job then I will vote against them in hopes the next one may be better. I don't fear a democrat like most on here do..There are good and bad in both partys.

[headoftheholler]

Personally, I don't just feel like I'm better off then I was 4 years ago. I know I am, but if I wasn't it would be my fault, not George Bush's. I'm certainly not looking to the goverment, republican or democrat, to make my life better. That just seems like something I should handle on my own.

Do you hold the office of the president as the ONLY facet of goverment responsible for your own well being? What about the democrat controlled congress?

Art I don't care what party they are if they don't do the job then I will vote against them in hopes the next one may be better. I don't fear a democrat like most on here do..There are good and bad in both partys.
Keep in mind the president (republican) doesnt make laws only congress (democrats) can do that.

[luckydawg]

he's a schmuck!!!!

[Duster]

Keep in mind the president (republican) doesnt make laws only congress (democrats) can do that.

Yes true but they sure can push things thru if they want to.


Maybe if you read on here all the times Clinton when he was president has been blamed for most everything from the war Bush started in Iraq to the price of egg's in China you would understand to some here a republican can do no wrong. There are a lot on here that if anyone with a R before their name made a mud pie they would be braggin how tastey it is....:D

[Al]

Duster, I dont see the gov no matter who runs it, making life better for us.
I vote for less government control of our lives and money.
I AM afraid of Obama because he is for BIG government and using it for social enginering.
What do you expect the gov. to do to make your life better?

[turk2di]

For me it's just the shock that any person in their right mind believes anything that comes out of his mouth, and will vote for him. I'm still in shock that he's a candidate for president of this here United States of America.

Me & you both! The media will do all they can to elect him.

[Duster]

Duster, I dont see the gov no matter who runs it, making life better for us.
I vote for less government control of our lives and money.
I AM afraid of Obama because he is for BIG government and using it for social enginering.
What do you expect the gov. to do to make your life better?

Al not so much for me, I ain't got that many years left. I can't help but wonder what kind of country the USA will be when my grandkids get to adulthood if they live that long. Just how long do you think it will be before we are involved in yet another war this one being with Iran. I forget where I read this at but they predicted Bush will have us involved there before he leaves office. If not him McCain being cut of the same cloth may be the one. The Army is short troops now. Those in charge wanted 2 more brigades in Afgainistan but in order to do that they would have to pull them from Iraq. I will go out on a limb here and say if that prediction comes true you will see a draft reinstated. Maybe you have children that would be called up would that be ok with you ?

I look at the amount of money spent each day in Iraq and look at the country and can see lot's of places it could be used. Heck secure the borders..not just with Mexico but not have free access to this country unless a super duper background check has been made.

[deadaim]

Duster I really cant understand how you can vote for Obama....as a hunter and firearm owner....his lack of experience will have us in a much larger war before it is over. He intends to pretty much distmantle our military and that most of all in these days in times is foolish. I really think alot of you Duster and was glad to get to get to spend a little time around you .....You are a smart guy stop and think this thing thru...........

[Auk1124]

I vote for less government control of our lives and money.


A very worthy goal, and I can understand that being the basis of a vote completely. Only problem is, I don't see anyone on either side of the aisle even pretending to be for small government any more. I don't plan on voting for Obama but I sure don't expect any small government stuff coming from McCain.

Come to think of it, I can't remember a politician who ever ran on a small government platform who ever delivered on their promise. Maybe someone else can think of one.

[deadaim]

A very worthy goal, and I can understand that being the basis of a vote completely. Only problem is, I don't see anyone on either side of the aisle even pretending to be for small government any more. I don't plan on voting for Obama but I sure don't expect any small government stuff coming from McCain.

Come to think of it, I can't remember a politician who ever ran on a small government platform who ever delivered on their promise. Maybe someone else can think of one.


Reagan..................:confused:

[Duster]

Duster I really cant understand how you can vote for Obama....as a hunter and firearm owner....his lack of experience will have us in a much larger war before it is over. He intends to pretty much distmantle our military and that most of all in these days in times is foolish. I really think alot of you Duster and was glad to get to get to spend a little time around you .....You are a smart guy stop and think this thing thru...........

Kinda the same way I feel about McCain a much larger war is all we as a country needs. I have not read one thing about dismantle of our military...maybe you can point the Obama plan to do that out to me..:D... as far as being a firearm owner and hunter in the 60+ years I been on this earth and both partys in charge at one time or another not one has limited or tried to limit my hunting or come knocking on my door looking for guns.... That statement is nothing more that playing on fear and old as the hills.

It was good to spend time with you and your family also..just wished that gal of yours would have hung in there with the old man that second day....:D..Tell her hi for me..:D


Oh afwiw I don't care for Obamas wife one bit she is as racist as they come. I didn't vote for him or Clinton in the primary..I'll leave it to you to decide who I voted for...LOL.

Maybe you should do a little research on your signiture statement while your at it that has been proven false...just a republician spin on a entire paragraph.

[Al]

Al not so much for me, I ain't got that many years left. I can't help but wonder what kind of country the USA will be when my grandkids get to adulthood if they live that long. Just how long do you think it will be before we are involved in yet another war this one being with Iran. I forget where I read this at but they predicted Bush will have us involved there before he leaves office. If not him McCain being cut of the same cloth may be the one. The Army is short troops now. Those in charge wanted 2 more brigades in Afgainistan but in order to do that they would have to pull them from Iraq. I will go out on a limb here and say if that prediction comes true you will see a draft reinstated. Maybe you have children that would be called up would that be ok with you ?

I look at the amount of money spent each day in Iraq and look at the country and can see lot's of places it could be used. Heck secure the borders..not just with Mexico but not have free access to this country unless a super duper background check has been made.
I can understand where you are coming from if your concern is having what you percive as war mongers in office leading us to WW3.
As far as the money spend on the war if you do a search you will see what is spent on the war is a very small fraction of what is spent on social programs.
On the other hand Hunter is an admitted socialist and is giddy with Obama. Obama has promised to go after most US industry and he could do alot of damage to our economy that along with weakening our military could put us in a whole heap of trouble.
Did yo hear Obam speak to the Jewish lobbiest group since he got the nom.?
He's already changing his positions on the war and Iraq.

[Duster]

Deadaim I will save you a little time here is the paragraph.


The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

[barney]

For starters some are sick and tired of Bush politics and don't want to see 4 more years of the same old thing...:D
The best I can rememer.........things didn't start getting bad, until we heard the name...Barack Obama .......... then everything started falling apart.;)

[Duster]

The best I can rememer.........things didn't start getting bad, until we heard the name...Barack Obama .......... then everything started falling apart.;)

They were falling apart long before that I am afraid.

[Al]

A very worthy goal, and I can understand that being the basis of a vote completely. Only problem is, I don't see anyone on either side of the aisle even pretending to be for small government any more. I don't plan on voting for Obama but I sure don't expect any small government stuff coming from McCain.

Come to think of it, I can't remember a politician who ever ran on a small government platform who ever delivered on their promise. Maybe someone else can think of one.
Yep, and thats why conservitives are ticked of with the current Reps, the gov has grown under their watch.

There is no such thing as a true cut in gov. Instead of a 7% increase in spending to keep up with inflation they only increase spending 3% and call it a cut.

[KYBOY]

Me, I just DONT think Obamas got the testicular fortitutde to be president. Nor the exprience..He reminds me to much of the spolied little boy who when he dosnt get his way takes his ball and goes home. I think he lacks the stomach to make the hard decisions.

[AteUp]

As an Obama supporter, I'm inspired by the fear and hatred of Barack Obama on this site.

Fear that he may be the next president? YES. Hatred? NOT YET. Check back in a few years though. How you can be "inspired" because the vast majority of your hunting brothers are afraid he may be the next president blows me away. I'm guessing you really aren't one of the hunting brotherhood though. You may hunt, but I doubt you'd fit in with the rest of us, and I'm pretty sure you're damn proud of that fact.

[KYCatBirdHunter]

well I don't know what this "hunting brotherhood" that you speak of is, so I'm obviously not a part of it. I do hunt. And I hold dear the values and traditions of sportsmanship. I just fail to see how any of that factors into partisan politics.

[DearDoctor]

I just want to know why someone will vote for Obama? "Hope" isn't a reason to vote for someone. He will be the worst thing ever to happen to this country.....bet on it.

What about "Change you can believe in", is that a reason to vote for someone?

[DearDoctor]

well I don't know what this "hunting brotherhood" that you speak of is, so I'm obviously not a part of it. I do hunt. And I hold dear the values and traditions of sportsmanship. I just fail to see how any of that factors into partisan politics.

It's not just partisan politics from this site. We all have guns on this site and most of us as far as I can tell are Christian, so when he made his famous speach about "guns and religion" he made alot of enemies on this site!:mad:

[Duster]

Fear that he may be the next president? YES. Hatred? NOT YET. Check back in a few years though. How you can be "inspired" because the vast majority of your hunting brothers are afraid he may be the next president blows me away. I'm guessing you really aren't one of the hunting brotherhood though. You may hunt, but I doubt you'd fit in with the rest of us, and I'm pretty sure you're damn proud of that fact.

Did you not say long ago you were a registered Democrat ?

[skin_dog1]

I skipped the last couple pages because I've heard most of it before...... So how about a few questions - Since when did it become our goverments job to make our lives better? When did personal responsibility go away? I thought it was our governments job to protect us. The problem with our country is that the goverment has been trying to hard over the years to improve our lives and all they can do is screw it up. If anyone thinks Obama's socialist ideas will make your life better then by all means vote for him. But I'm here to tell you that you got another thing coming. Add in the total lack of experience and my vote would be better spent on spongebob squarepants! I for one feel safer now than when bush first took office. That was his job, too bad the goverment has their fingures in every aspect of our lives now and people place their vote on the man that can do the most for them personally.

[AteUp]

Did you not say long ago you were a registered Democrat ?

Yep, registered that way when I was naive, idealistic and 18. I was just another young dumbass duped into thinking that the democrats were for the working man. Never have got around to changing my affiliation since I learned better.

[weedwalker]

..... as far as being a firearm owner and hunter in the 60+ years I been on this earth and both partys in charge at one time or another not one has limited or tried to limit my hunting or come knocking on my door looking for guns.... That statement is nothing more that playing on fear and old as the hills.

The Brady bill passed during Clintons term limited or banned several types of firearms. :cool:
The second amendment isn't about hunting. It's about having the firepower to protect yourself, your family, your country from an overbearing government.

[Wildcat]

Al not so much for me, I ain't got that many years left. I can't help but wonder what kind of country the USA will be when my grandkids get to adulthood if they live that long. Just how long do you think it will be before we are involved in yet another war this one being with Iran. I forget where I read this at but they predicted Bush will have us involved there before he leaves office. If not him McCain being cut of the same cloth may be the one. The Army is short troops now. Those in charge wanted 2 more brigades in Afgainistan but in order to do that they would have to pull them from Iraq. I will go out on a limb here and say if that prediction comes true you will see a draft reinstated. Maybe you have children that would be called up would that be ok with you ?

I look at the amount of money spent each day in Iraq and look at the country and can see lot's of places it could be used. Heck secure the borders..not just with Mexico but not have free access to this country unless a super duper background check has been made.


It wasn't that long ago when you posted on here several times that the next preisdent should have serviced in the US military or something like that. Either way we can bring the posts up.

I read on this forum somewhere that McCain wants to "fight" the war for another 100 years, that's not true and he never said that. McCain knows what it's like better than anyone since he was a POW for years. Plus his two sons ARE and HAVE been in the war over there.

Israel sees Obama as a threat to them and if Iran is allowed to keep building nuclear weapons Israel will have no choice but to take them out and that will get Iran to try to close the Strait of Hormuz cutting off all the oil from the world. That will bring in the US Navy in a war with Iran to try to keep it open.

[Duster]

It wasn't that long ago when you posted on here several times that the next preisdent should have serviced in the US military or something like that. Either way we can bring the posts up.

I read on this forum somewhere that McCain wants to "fight" the war for another 100 years, that's not true and he never said that. McCain knows what it's like better than anyone since he was a POW for years. Plus his two sons ARE and HAVE been in the war over there.

Israel sees Obama as a threat to them and if Iran is allowed to keep building nuclear weapons Israel will have no choice but to take them out and that will get Iran to try to close the Strait of Hormuz cutting off all the oil from the world. That will bring in the US Navy in a war with Iran to try to keep it open.


Why don't you post those up ??? I believe what I said about the military is..If your a able bodyed male under the age of 42 and believe in this Iraq war so much then you should join the military rather than be armchair quarterback. As far as the 100 years...McCain did say that...Maybe you just have selective hearing.

Your last thing is on Iran....Heck if Bush was willing to invade Iraq for the unfounded reasons he gave the american people it's a suprise to me the country has not attacked Iran already.

[Wildcat]

Why don't you post those up ??? I believe what I said about the military is..If your a able bodyed male under the age of 42 and believe in this Iraq war so much then you should join the military rather than be armchair quarterback. As far as the 100 years...McCain did say that...Maybe you just have selective hearing.

Your last thing is on Iran....Heck if Bush was willing to invade Iraq for the unfounded reasons he gave the american people it's a suprise to me the country has not attacked Iran already.

I'll find them.

As for my hearing maybe you have selective reading and need some new glasses badly. I've posted on here several times I'm deaf and have been since I was 6.

You are doing the same thing here you accure the republicans of doing about that staements Obama made in his book.

McCain said there could be BASES in Iraq not "fighting" like some tried to say. Ever Obama backed off the 100 years statement.

As for your statements , you are talking about a different post, not the one about the president requirments.

[Al]

well I don't know what this "hunting brotherhood" that you speak of is, so I'm obviously not a part of it. I do hunt. And I hold dear the values and traditions of sportsmanship. I just fail to see how any of that factors into partisan politics.
Hunter, you posted about how very important civil rights are to you and you emphasized very.
That seems odd to me because that is an issue that blacks or other minorities, and gays are passionate about. Not your normal single white male.
I know you are not black. Are you gay?

[KYCatBirdHunter]

Hunter, you posted about how very important civil rights are to you and you emphasized very.
That seems odd to me because that is an issue that blacks or other minorities, and gays are passionate about. Not your normal single white male.
I know you are not black. Are you gay?

No. I'm compassionate. You right wingers should try it some time.

[BadDuck]

well I don't know what this "hunting brotherhood" that you speak of is, so I'm obviously not a part of it. I do hunt. And I hold dear the values and traditions of sportsmanship. I just fail to see how any of that factors into partisan politics.


Your really not that blind are you?

[BadDuck]

The Brady bill passed during Clintons term limited or banned several types of firearms. :cool:
The second amendment isn't about hunting. It's about having the firepower to protect yourself, your family, your country from an overbearing government.


BINGO!!!!!!!!!! We have a winner.

[maxcam]

No. I'm compassionate. You right wingers should try it some time.

Who do you think generates all the tax revenue to fund all your social programs? ;)

[AteUp]

No. I'm compassionate.

Yeah, I could tell by your posts on here that you're oozing with compassion :rolleyes:

[kytrapper]

I suspect a lot of the dems on here are either drawing a check or wanting to. Any working man that knows what's going on knows he's the one who is paying for all these social programs and welfare. If Obama were to get in it would be the likes of things we've never seen. I pay for insurance at work, a 600.00 yearly copay and still have to pay out of pocket when me or my family have something done. These check drawers around here pay nothing and use the hospital emergency room for a doctors office and a lot of them are walking around on pain pills. They definitely are not conservatives. I'm sick of keeping my family and these dead weight check drawers up all month. Obama would make giant leaps to further this social agenda. It can't go on guys.

[thunderchicken09]

I dont want to make any one mad but like ive said before the only reason they like Obama is because hes black. People think we owe african americans somethiming because of slavery 200 and some years ago. And what is it Obama is wanting to change?

[AteUp]

And what is it Obama is wanting to change?

First and foremost he wants to change his address to Pennsylvania Ave.:eek: Everything else is secondary to him.

[raven_over_easy]

:DI suspect a lot of the dems on here are either drawing a check or wanting to. Any working man that knows what's going on knows he's the one who is paying for all these social programs and welfare. If Obama were to get in it would be the likes of things we've never seen. I pay for insurance at work, a 600.00 yearly copay and still have to pay out of pocket when me or my family have something done. These check drawers around here pay nothing and use the hospital emergency room for a doctors office and a lot of them are walking around on pain pills. They definitely are not conservatives. I'm sick of keeping my family and these dead weight check drawers up all month. Obama would make giant leaps to further this social agenda. It can't go on guys.

I'm sure most republicans on here want to do away with union wages, Downsize their corporation and outsource the jobs to China or India. Thank you very much.:rolleyes::D

[AteUp]

:D

I'm sure most republicans on here want to do away with union wages, Downsize their corporation and outsource the jobs to China or India. Thank you very much.:rolleyes::D

What good is a union wage if the company goes under? I bet Ford and GM's foreign (NON-UNION) plants aren't on the chopping block.

[BadDuck]

:D

I'm sure most republicans on here want to do away with union wages, Downsize their corporation and outsource the jobs to China or India. Thank you very much.:rolleyes::D

I must disagree with this. I am Union! I am a republican! Sorry, But I wont sacrafice my values or beliefs because some lame a$$ democrat has brainwashed a bunch of people into believing that they are for the working class.

[Auk1124]

I suspect a lot of the dems on here are either drawing a check or wanting to.

Better think about that one again. There never has been a thread directly on the subject that i know of, but it has been mentioned in passing by several people on here before, and i don't remeber any of the dems mentioning being on the draw.

And I live in a Repub enclave in southern KY, and it is the SS disability capital of the state and probably the country. Neither politcal party has the right to be holier-than-thou when it comes to who is working and who is sponging.

[raven_over_easy]

I must disagree with this. I am Union! I am a republican! Sorry, But I wont sacrafice my values or beliefs because some lame a$$ democrat has brainwashed a bunch of people into believing that they are for the working class.

I am Union as well! The republican party is Anti union - Represents in large corporate America. I Am a member of NRA, RMEF and assorted other conservation organizations and a Democrat (Guess you would LABEL me a Moderate). I voted for Bush in the last 2 elections.:rolleyes::D
-Reagan, fired ALL of the air traffic controllers on strike. Tell me that is pro union.

I BUY American cause it only cost a little more to go first class!

[raven_over_easy]

Better think about that one again. There never has been a thread directly on the subject that i know of, but it has been mentioned in passing by several people on here before, and i don't remeber any of the dems mentioning being on the draw.

And I live in a Repub enclave in southern KY, and it is the SS disability capital of the state and probably the country. Neither politcal party has the right to be holier-than-thou when it comes to who is working and who is sponging.

I wonder how many of the excecs at ENRON were sponging?

[Al]

I suspect a lot of the dems on here are either drawing a check or wanting to. Any working man that knows what's going on knows he's the one who is paying for all these social programs and welfare. If Obama were to get in it would be the likes of things we've never seen. I pay for insurance at work, a 600.00 yearly copay and still have to pay out of pocket when me or my family have something done. These check drawers around here pay nothing and use the hospital emergency room for a doctors office and a lot of them are walking around on pain pills. They definitely are not conservatives. I'm sick of keeping my family and these dead weight check drawers up all month. Obama would make giant leaps to further this social agenda. It can't go on guys.
Most dems on these forums are not on the public dole, but they are state and local government employees.
They vote for dem candidates because they feel threatend that the reps. will downsize the size of gov and possibly cut their jobs.
The dems promise higher taxes and more social projects creating more gov jobs and more opportunity for them and their paychecks.
The dem party is the party of gov employees.
They think that a vote for the dems is a vote for a pay raise.

[Duster]

What good is a union wage if the company goes under? I bet Ford and GM's foreign (NON-UNION) plants aren't on the chopping block. I don't think all the plants to be shut down are union. Is the plant in Mexico to be shut down union ? Is it the desire of republician's to bring back child labor and sweat shop's to the USA ? Like some of those companys that have moved their operations oversea's but are still subsidized with our tax $.

[Fat Tony]

Thread after Thread...Post after Post...All bashing Obama...It's like your afraid a republican is going to vote for him...Do you truely think what you post up here is going to change anyones mind come election time ?


Er...people bash him because he does not have the experience or resume to warrant the job. In fact his resume should not have even gotten him an interview for this job. Its laughable. Can you point to anything he has done while in office? Neither can his supporters. No matter...

People bash him because he has run his entire campaing on "change" and "bipartisanship" when he has accomplished neither in his career and has absolutely no experience doing either. Once again, show me the bipartisan legislation he has been involved with (crickets chirping). I can give you a half dozen from McCain just off the top of my head.

People bash him because no matter what he says so eloquently in his prepared speeches he reads off of teleprompters, he is the most liberal, high tax, anti-gun, Senator in the U.S. Thats a fact, Jack.

People who bash him are often the ones who took the time to research this nut-job rather than just accept the sound bites and commercials as a basis for supporting him.

Being handsome, having Oprah like you, and being able to read cleverly worded speeches in front of rallies your campaign stages is not a basis for elective office.

[BadDuck]

I am Union as well! The republican party is Anti union - Represents in large corporate America. I Am a member of NRA, RMEF and assorted other conservation organizations and a Democrat (Guess you would LABEL me a Moderate). I voted for Bush in the last 2 elections.:rolleyes::D
-Reagan, fired ALL of the air traffic controllers on strike. Tell me that is pro union.

I BUY American cause it only cost a little more to go first class!

Have you heard of NAFTA? Signed by DEMOCRAT Bill Clinton. Tell me that is Pro Union.

I cannot help what Reagan did 25 years ago. What I can do is vote my values. I do not believe either party is out to help me more than the other.

On that note, the Democratic party does not represent me what so ever. I do not believe in abortion or gay marriage. I stand firm in my 2nd amendment rights. I could go on, but I think you get the point.

[rgb62]

The dem party is the party of gov employees.
They think that a vote for the dems is a vote for a pay raise.


That hasn't worked out so well for state employees with this administration. My better half has worked for the state for 18 years and is getting the lowest pay increment ever this year!

[deadaim]

Kinda the same way I feel about McCain a much larger war is all we as a country needs. I have not read one thing about dismantle of our military...maybe you can point the Obama plan to do that out to me..:D... as far as being a firearm owner and hunter in the 60+ years I been on this earth and both partys in charge at one time or another not one has limited or tried to limit my hunting or come knocking on my door looking for guns.... That statement is nothing more that playing on fear and old as the hills.

It was good to spend time with you and your family also..just wished that gal of yours would have hung in there with the old man that second day....:D..Tell her hi for me..:D


Oh afwiw I don't care for Obamas wife one bit she is as racist as they come. I didn't vote for him or Clinton in the primary..I'll leave it to you to decide who I voted for...LOL.

Maybe you should do a little research on your signiture statement while your at it that has been proven false...just a republician spin on a entire
paragraph.

Here is your Obama on the Military

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0du8wMLzEY&feature=related

Astonishing Obama Video: “I Will Slow Development of Future Combat Systems”
In Video Statement, Senator Obama Inexplicably Pledges to Unilaterally Jeopardize American Military Superiority
When you find yourself in a hole, just keep digging.
That appears to be the logic of Senator Barack Obama, who already finds himself in the proverbial hole on defense and national security issues. At this pace, he’ll reach China by November.
In a strange video address intended to somehow reassure American voters regarding his military bona fides, Senator Obama ends up doing just the opposite.
Among other things, he promises to cut “tens of billions of dollars” from the military budget, at a time when our armed forces are already stretched and in need of new weapon technologies and armor; to “cut investments in unproven missile defense systems,” which in reality have already proven remarkably effective; that he “will not weaponize space” even though other nations such as China do exactly that; to terminate the Iraq war just as the surge proves itself remarkably successful; and he rails against what he calls “unnecessary” military spending. He concludes by promising to remove our inter-continental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) from what he calls a “hair-trigger alert,” embarrassing himself via his ignorance regarding our deliberate targeting and launch protocol.
Most alarmingly, however, Senator Obama literally promises to “slow development of future combat systems.”
Think about the frightening implications of this pledge for a moment.
Future combat systems are the cornerstone of American military modernization and superiority. As America fights the war on terror and deters potential military aggression by rogue nations cross the world, advanced combat systems provide us with better equipment, unmatched situational awareness and communication systems that result in American battlefield domination. Other ascendant nations such as China and Russia seek to match our prowess, but we continue to outpace them.
Current examples include constantly-evolving satellite technology that allows us to pinpoint and eliminate the enemy, unmanned drones that promise amazing advances in battlefield safety and effectiveness, bunker-buster weapons that penetrate deep into the caves in which remote terrorists hide and communications systems that allow lightning-quick troop deployment and rescue missions. Not only do these cutting-edge combat systems allow us to prevail against our enemies, they ultimately protect the lives and health of our troops, just as they protect us.
Despite this, Senator Obama bizarrely pledges to jeopardize our battlefield superiority.
Imagine previous Presidents pledging, as Senator Obama foolishly does, to “slow development of future combat systems.” No more stealth aircraft, which allowed our pilots to penetrate Saddam Hussein’s complex air defense systems with near-impunity. No more precision-guided weaponry, which provide extreme precision and greatly reduce harm to non-combatants. No more Strategic Defense Initiative, which forced Mikhail Gorbachev’s negotiating hand and helped end the Cold War. None of the advanced naval systems that have allowed America’s navy to rule the seas for decades. No P-51 Mustangs or B-29 Superfortresses, which resulted in American air superiority that crippled Germany and Japan during World War II. The examples are endless.
In what realm does Senator Obama’s ideology dwell, that he would expect his promises to somehow endear him to American swing voters?
What makes Senator Obama’s statement most perplexing is the fact that he already faces an uphill battle to convince American voters that he won’t be the second coming of Jimmy Carter in undermining our military forces. It also follows a series of embarrassing gaffes, which undermine Americans’ faith in his ability and commitment to protect the country and our military superiority.
For instance, he promises to meet the leader of Iran, which provides weapons that kill American troops, without preconditions. He extends that same promise of unconditional meetings to North Korea, Cuba, Syria and Venezuela as well, yet rebuffs Colombia, which is a critical ally fighting narco-terrorists.
Senator Obama’s statement also follows such eyebrow-raising fiascos as his twenty-year relationship with America-damning Reverend Jeremiah Wright, his association with anti-American domestic terrorist William Ayers and his offensive flag pin comments. Readers will recall that Senator Obama refused in October 2007 to wear an American flag lapel pin because he considered it “a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues.” Asked to explain, his staff replied that “Senator Obama believes that being a patriot is about more than a symbol.” Just like that, he thus dismissed reverence to the American flag, to which children pledge allegiance in school, and which draws tears from veterans and everyday citizens during memorial events and sporting events.
Once again, Senator Obama has raised questions about his commitment to defend America and maintain military superiority. Stay tuned to see how he might top this.

[deadaim]

As far as my signature goes I know the paragraph it comes from and cant see why it makes you feel any better ? I dont remember alot of muslums coming out against 911?
If they get profiled it breaks my heart......If a couple of good ol boys would have flown the planes into the towers I would expect the same.

And Alyssa said hello :)

You will come around by election time :) Im not real happy about the alternative to Obama but would feel better with Mcain running the military if my son was serving.....

[kycowboy]

I thought they said no more obama threads they deleted mine I guess it matters who wrote it huh

[maxcam]

When any union poses a threat to the security of the citizens of this county or can cause huge damage to the national economy then I think the President of the US has every right and is well within his duty to bust them up........

Travel is the largest segment of not only this countries economy but the worlds, representing over 7 TRILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY. It reperesents near 1.5 TRILLION DOLLARS of the economy in this country alone. It is bigger than oil and gas, its bigger than financial services and telecommunications combined. Reagan didnt wake up one morning and decide to bust the air traffic controllers union.......Mediation was ordered and one side didnt want to participate in good faith......They messed with the bull and got the horns.......

[deadaim]

I thought they said no more obama threads they deleted mine I guess it matters who wrote it huh

Yes mine did too I guess Duster is in with the mods :D

Quackstacker probobly just took the weekend off;)

The intent is to join a thread in progress instead of starting a new one. This is the only thing to do until the action starts. I mean you can only respond to so many black cat threads:D

[Duster]

Guys I started this thread as a light hearted poke at some on here just because like I said in the first post. Lot's of preaching to the choir going on and I do find that amuseing. The Mod's can lock or delete this thread at anytime and to tell the truth I have almost requested it be done away with myself.