Listing Obama's Senatorial Accomplishments...

[Willie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

[deadaim]

That happens everytime I ask an obama supporter the same question usually I get an answer like Change blah blah blah Change.......................

[killinmammals]

That happens everytime I ask an obama supporter the same question usually I get an answer like Change blah blah blah Change.......................
same here..."he is gonna change this country, and he is the one who knows what needs to be done"...me."ok, how do you figure"...them."well, he has good ideas, he wants to actually make a difference"

[pearsonbowhunter]

Obama cant and will not Change CRAP you watch and see
i myself dont see him in the white house i think that the "KKK"
will make sure of it i dont want to see anyone killed but its not
time to put a Black man or a women in the white house and we sure
dont need Macain in the white house hes another George W. Bush
so where screwed no matter who gets in ,i will not VOTE this year.

[MsgMills]

Obama cant and will not Change **** you watch and see
we sure
dont need Macain in the white house hes another George W. Bush
so where screwed no matter who gets in ,i will not VOTE this year.

Just what makes you and every other voter out in the world think that John McCain is another George Bush? I don't see him as a George Bush at all, every man is his own person and has their own idea's as to what will work and help solve this Country's problems.

It's not George Bush's fault that the Oil is sky rocketing out of sight....It's not George Bush's fault that 9/11 happened....It's not George Bush's fault that the American dollar has plummeted so bad against the Euro....

John McCain has enough experience and savvy to use his years of knowledge to help the Country get back on it's feet. It's not going to be an overnight thing to take place, But at least I will feel better and sleep a lot sounder if he wins the Election over Obama....If Obama wins , this Country will be a third Class Country in less than two years mark my words peeps....:(

[nwest]

,i will not VOTE this year.


you are entitled to do this but if you do not vote..... SHUT UP!! because you have denounced you rite to complain!

[Willie]

My three biggest reasons to vote for McCain is:

1) He is not Obama

2)The next president will more than likely appoint two supreme court justices.

3) The dems will more than likely keep control of the congress and senate. That is triple scary with a dem president. A lot will be shoved down our throuts if that happens.


Stay home but don't gripe afterwards..

[Landguy]

WOW!!!! Talk about embarassing!!! Going on national television to support your candidate and not being able to say ANYTHING good about him except that he's inspiring. Lance Armstrong is inspiring. That kid with one leg playing baseball in the paper the other day is inspiring but I don't think I want either of them in the oval office. On second thought, I'd rather have the kid than most politicians.

[McBuck]

My three biggest reasons to vote for McCain is:

1) He is not Obama

2)The next president will more than likely appoint two supreme court justices.

3) The dems will more than likely keep control of the congress and senate. That is triple scary with a dem president. A lot will be shoved down our throuts if that happens.


Stay home but don't gripe afterwards..
You are in the 10 ring with all three of those shots. The only other choice is Bob Barr. Barr is a true conservative but should have declared on the GOP ticket all those months ago.....Libertarians just don't have enough gas in the tank to get a serious consideration in the general and at best will take votes away from McCain. McCain isn no doubt NOT my pick, but I had rather have any port in storm than no port at all.

[killinmammals]

Obama cant and will not Change **** you watch and see
i myself dont see him in the white house i think that the "KKK"
will make sure of it i dont want to see anyone killed but its not
time to put a Black man or a women in the white house and we sure
dont need Macain in the white house hes another George W. Bush
so where screwed no matter who gets in ,i will not VOTE this year.
Yeah, well if you don't vote how can you complain. You don't like Obama, then vote against him or if he wins you did nothing to try and help somebody beat him.

[Old Oak]

On the Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama!

Friday, June 06, 2008

The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.

FACT: Barack Obama supports requiring law-abiding gun owners to register their firearms.

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama wants to eliminate your Right to Carry.

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.

FACT: Barack Obama supports “one-gun-a-month” sales restrictions.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=3991

[raktrakr]

And just think, a majority of "Rural folks and Gun owners" in the exit polls supported OSAMA last Tuesday in the Montana Primary. It just goes to show,tell them what they want to hear and they'll come

[Hammer]

wow, who was that imposter dressed up like Chris Matthews?? That couldn't have been him??

[kytrapper]

It wasn't the uncle he used to know though. :p

[maxcam]

Maybe its time for those unhappy backwoods types that like guns to get a little pissed off and send Barrack Obama back to Illinois......

[deadaim]

Notice not one of our resident Obama supporters has joined the thread to list anything the hope and change guru has done........come debate time if Mccain has any guts at all he will rip him to shreads on his " Experience "

[KYCatBirdHunter]

Go to this page if you want his Senatorial Accomplishments listed. As of right now nearly all of his bills seem to be stuck in committee. Of course, this list is only for the 2007-2008 legislative body.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?tab=bills&id=400629

[maxcam]

Looks to me like Hussein doesnt have much stroke......

But hey we now have July 12th as National Summer Learning Day.....Boy I bet that was a tough debate to get through......Sounds like Hussein should be ready to settle peace in the middle east just as soon as he takes office!

[kytrapper]

It still amazes me that anyone that posts on a hunting forum can support a Marxist. They walk among us like "The Invaders" on that sixties tv show.

[WildmanWilson]

The sad truth is most people go to the pole not knowing much about the person they vote for. They see a commercial or two and maybe a debate or two and then pick someone. Some will vote for Obama because he's a democrat. If they would only seek the truth they may vote different.

[daking]

Must be some pretty weak legislation. He's the presidential candidate of the majority party and his colleagues (the committee chairs and vice chairs being dems) are keeping his legislation bottled up. Maybe the people that know him the best are telling us that they don't trust his judgement.

[Willie]

Must be some pretty weak legislation. He's the presidential candidate of the majority party and his colleagues (the committee chairs and vice chairs being dems) are keeping his legislation bottled up. Maybe the people that know him the best are telling us that they don't trust his judgement.

I also understand that quite few of those "bills" were hand me downs from other Democrat senators in order to make Obama look good.

[maxcam]

I also understand that quite few of those "bills" were hand me downs from other Democrat senators in order to make Obama look good.

Im not surprised he is in the DNC entitlements program after all.............

[MsgMills]

Passing on some words of advice from Mr. Blackwell......

Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun "States"

It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.

We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender.

Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.

The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him.
Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.
Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate.

He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a presid ential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.
Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant.. Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America . But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty.."

Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Isra el and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s.

Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.

Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago.

Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich.." How to fix S ocial Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes

His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.
Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois , he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood , and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.

The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches.

His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.

But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American m ainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.

It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war.

Kind of scary, wouldn't you think

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is:

The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal...the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA??

If you think I am crazy,. I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate.

[KYCatBirdHunter]

I would've accepted that as an intelligent post, until it ended with the (extremely false) bit of ideas from Revelation about the anti-christ.

Then it became just another laughable attempt to discredit him.

[Willie]

Ken Blackwell did not have the last paragraph or two of this in his column. It has been added on by someone that had forwarded it via email


see...

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/02/14/the_real_obama?page=full&comments=true



Kind of scary, wouldn't you think

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is:

The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal...the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA??

If you think I am crazy,. I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[maxcam]

Young Hunter Im still waiting to see something from you on what makes Hussein a viable candidate. Give me some of your insight as to why you think Hussein should be the next president of the greatest nation on earth........

[KYCatBirdHunter]

there's no point trying to convince you Old Maxcam, as long as you refer to him only as Hussein, your mind is already obviously made up and apparently based on prejudice.

I've had enough experience arguing against the fear and ignorance of bigotry to know that it's useless.

[KYCatBirdHunter]

and by the way, we USED to be the greatest nation on earth. As soon as we adopted a policy of pre-emptive strikes and began a war against our own citizens, we lost that mantle.

[Willie]

and by the way, we USED to be the greatest nation on earth. As soon as we adopted a policy of pre-emptive strikes and began a war against our own citizens, we lost that mantle.

You want to name one that is better?

[yote hunter]

You want to name one that is better?

better than that why dont you move there if you like it so much.

[turkeytalker]

Could i get a liberal,socialist,fascist, or muslim to translate this for me?

Obama the second coming of Bush?:rolleyes: This kid is lost, can't wait for the town hall's against McCain.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nsJLdE9DELs

[daking]

The real problem is that this election is shaping up to be more of an American Idol selection than a debate on the issues and the candidates' stance.

Without resorting to the white-hot rhetoric on both sides, the important thing is to look at the issues.

In the case of national defense, I think it's pretty clear that McCain will be better than than Obama. While there are those among us who will debate the fine points of the execution of the present police action in Iraq and Afganistan, it's pretty clear that we've foiled attacks any more attacks on us. That's a good thing. We're wiping out the Taliban. That's a good thing. We are not selling out Israel, another good thing. Obama has taken a stance against doing these things...not the fine points over which some controverse, but AGAINST doing the things that kept those who want us dead from making another attack. I don't think McCain could be accused of doing that.

Diplomacy? Obama seems to be willing to take the arrows out of the Eagle's talon and filling both of them with olive branches. Does anyone really think that without Ineedajob and his ilk would ever take seriously any negotiations that weren't underlaid with the ability to make them stick? Do you really trust those guys? Apparently Obama believes he can use the same silver-tongued blarney to convince a bunch of goofballs whose reality is reality television will convince people whose reality is a blind dedication to wiping us out. It will not. McCain understands the wisdom of the Roman general Flavious..."to ensure peace, prepare for war".

The economy? As correctly stated before, Obama's solution to every problem in the nation is to raise taxes. He couches it as raising taxes on the rich. That, of course, begs the question of what constitutes rich? The median household income in Jefferson County is $37,500 per year. A four member household with that income not only pays no income taxes, they get $1,500 in earned income credits. Who's paying that? People who make more. Is rich a million a year? Is it $250,000 a year? Is it a hundred K a year? That's an important question. If dad's a cop, a fireman, a factory worker or a skilled tradesman and mom has a similar decent job, that household income starts to scratch right up to a hundred grand. Don't for a minute think that the level of income considered wealth isn't a moving target and that many of you will have that target blazed on your chest should he get his hand on the tiller. McCain has spoken for lower taxes.

There's another thing to consider. Whether you're making that median 37K or a million, don't you manage your money a little better than Uncle Sam?

Let's talk about oil for a minute. Both of 'em are boneheads. Excess profit taxes on oil? If they start putting the screws to "big oil" did you stop to think that "big oil" might think that it's not worth it to produce and distribute at the present level? Why should they work and risk if their profits are confiscated. The only way that works is if you're Hugo Chavez and you use the army to take over the oil fields. Neither one has articulated a sound policy for exploiting our massive recoverable reserves. On this count, they both fail. One thing's for sure. Every time they add another dime to the price of oil, the American public's desire to tap our own oil keg gets stronger.

Religion? In politics, it's the last refuge of scoundrals. Either one will say whatever it takes to get the votes. Live your own life in a manner that corresponds with the religion of your choosing. Raise your children by that religion's tenents and work hard to live by the golden rule (which is the basis of Confucisism. May the God of your choosing bless you.

Guns? The plain meaning of the Second Amendment is what it is. Obama disagrees with that. He will work to outlaw them. He likes the Australian model, which is take just about everything but bolt rifles and double barrel shotguns. Hell, he doesn't even like them.

It is my hope (and belief) that the American Idol campaign that he's now running will not work. As this campaign season grinds through and he doesn't have a teleprompter and he can't spout platitudes to cheering crowds but he has to start answering hard questions, he's going to have a problem. No, maybe we do want the American Idol campaign. What has happened to all of those no-talent screwballs who forget the lyrics or sing off key. Let's hope that we are a nation of Simon Crowells who will brutally point out the flaws.

As been said before, there's a lot of singing to the choir and attempts to convince those incapable of being convinced. My advice to everyone is to learn as much as possible about the real facts of the issues and then overlay each guy's position on those facts. But learn the facts of the issues first. Don't believe what either guy tells you. If you want to make a decision on the conflict in the middle east, look at the history and dynamics of that area and conflict. When examining diplomacy, look at what has worked in other situations. Read what real economists (not the political pundits) say. Make your decision based on sound thinking.

Of course if you do, you will likely not consider Obama as a creditable candidate.

[Willie]

Here is another one of Obama's bills that he is co-sponsoring......want to bet if this passes he will be after one to fingerprint all gun owners?


http://blog.heritage.org/2008/06/09/obama-among-supporters-of-national-fingerprint-registry/

Housing Bill Creates National Fingerprint Registry
Posted June 9th, 2008 at 12.40pm in Entrepreneurship.

Sens. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) authored a bill (with 11 co-sponsors, including Sen. Barack Obama) that was incorporated into a housing bill passed by the Senate Banking Committee 19-2 before the Memorial Day recess — a bill that creates a national fingerprint registry.

According to a Martinez press release, the language merely “create[s] national licensing and oversight standards for residential mortgage originators.”

One of the standards, John Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute says, may “require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds.”

This is a step in the wrong direction — at least for a nation that preserves freedom.

[Willie]

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Barack_on_torture.html

Monday, April 14, 2008

Obama would ask his AG to "immediately review" potential of crimes in Bush White House

Tonight I had an opportunity to ask Barack Obama a question that is on the minds of many Americans, yet rarely rises to the surface in the great ruckus of the 2008 presidential race -- and that is whether an Obama administration would seek to prosecute officials of a former Bush administration on the revelations that they greenlighted torture, or for other potential crimes that took place in the White House.

Obama said that as president he would indeed ask his new Attorney General and his deputies to "immediately review the information that's already there" and determine if an inquiry is warranted -- but he also tread carefully on the issue, in line with his reputation for seeking to bridge the partisan divide. He worried that such a probe could be spun as "a partisan witch hunt." However, he said that equation changes if there was willful criminality, because "nobody is above the law."

The question was inspired by a recent report by ABC News, confirmed by the Associated Press, that high-level officials including Vice President Dick Cheney and former Cabinet secretaries Colin Powell, John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfeld, among others, met in the White House and discussed the use of waterboarding and other torture techniques on terrorism suspects.

I mentioned the report in my question, and said "I know you've talked about reconciliation and moving on, but there's also the issue of justice, and a lot of people -- certainly around the world and certainly within this country -- feel that crimes were possibly committed" regarding torture, rendition, and illegal wiretapping. I wanted to know how whether his Justice Department "would aggressively go after and investigate whether crimes have been committed."

Here's his answer, in its entirety:

What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that's already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can't prejudge that because we don't have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve.

So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing betyween really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it.

The bottom line is that: Obama sent a clear signal that -- unlike impeachment, which he's ruled out and which now seems a practical impossibility -- he is at the least open to the possibility of investigating potential high crimes in the Bush White House. To many, the information that waterboarding -- which the United States has considered torture and a violation of law in the past -- was openly planned out in the seat of American government is evidence enough to at least start asking some tough questions in January 2009.

[carpenterguy]

i thought all the politician bashing went in the other section.....get over it fellas apparently it hasn't worked trying to change peoples minds

[maxcam]

Hunter, just as you are proud of who you are and what your mother named you so should Hussein........If a man is affraid of his own name then one has to ask what else he might be affraid of........Even a boy named Sue stood his grounds and defended his label......

Lets face it, Hussein is going to duck and weave the issues any way he can......Now we read that he wants to investigate the current administration if he is elected.......Sounds like Hussein is already working on his tactics to improve bipartisan relations......

The only good thing about this election is simply this.......The Republican party got stuck with a 70 something moderate.....But you my friend got stuck with......Well you know what you got stuck with.....:rolleyes:

[kytrapper]

His AG may be Hillary. She's got too much baggage ( Bill) for VP but she could do more damage as the AG or heaven forbid a supreme court judge.

[kytrapper]

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and by the way, we USED to be the greatest nation on earth. As soon as we adopted a policy of pre-emptive strikes and began a war against our own citizens, we lost that mantle.
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Unbelievable! This tells me all I need to know about this kid.

[KYCatBirdHunter]

So my dissension with the direction our country has taken tells you everything you need to know about me?? How dare I have an opinion that strays from the one you've been spoon-fed your whole life. I must be one of them there danged ol' liberal commies out to destroy AMURRICA!!!

Pick up a history book people (a real one, not the ones they gave you in 6th grade). Read about the fall of the Roman Empire. Read about the Medieval Dark Ages, and the corresponding time in the Ottoman. Read about the birth of our nation. We have cocooned ourselves in arrogance and complacency so tightly that we may never escape, but we have to try.

[trust me]

Here is another one of Obama's bills that he is co-sponsoring......want to bet if this passes he will be after one to fingerprint all gun owners?


http://blog.heritage.org/2008/06/09/obama-among-supporters-of-national-fingerprint-registry/

Housing Bill Creates National Fingerprint Registry
Posted June 9th, 2008 at 12.40pm in Entrepreneurship.

Sens. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) authored a bill (with 11 co-sponsors, including Sen. Barack Obama) that was incorporated into a housing bill passed by the Senate Banking Committee 19-2 before the Memorial Day recess — a bill that creates a national fingerprint registry.

According to a Martinez press release, the language merely “create[s] national licensing and oversight standards for residential mortgage originators.”

One of the standards, John Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute says, may “require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds.”

This is a step in the wrong direction — at least for a nation that preserves freedom.

A national fingerprint registry...that ought to be enough to freeze the heart of any Libertarian, and Conservatives too, for that matter.

[Willie]

So my dissension with the direction our country has taken tells you everything you need to know about me?? How dare I have an opinion that strays from the one you've been spoon-fed your whole life. I must be one of them there danged ol' liberal commies out to destroy AMURRICA!!!

Pick up a history book people (a real one, not the ones they gave you in 6th grade). Read about the fall of the Roman Empire. Read about the Medieval Dark Ages, and the corresponding time in the Ottoman. Read about the birth of our nation. We have cocooned ourselves in arrogance and complacency so tightly that we may never escape, but we have to try.

Dissension is fine. But when you make a statement please try and back it up.

You didn't answer the question –

You stated – “and by the way, we USED to be the greatest nation on earth. As soon as we adopted a policy of pre-emptive strikes and began a war against our own citizens, we lost that mantle”.

I asked - You want to name one that is better?

Please answer...

[KYCatBirdHunter]

okay. Switzerland. They stay out of everyone's business. As it should be.

[semperhunting]

and by the way, we USED to be the greatest nation on earth. As soon as we adopted a policy of pre-emptive strikes and began a war against our own citizens, we lost that mantle.

Please explain our policy of preemtive strikes, and by war against our own citizens do you mean we lost the mantle in 1776 or 1861?

And if you don't think that we are the greatest nation on earth, I suggest you start doing some traveling and see where you end up.

[grouseguy]

okay. Switzerland. They stay out of everyone's business. As it should be.

Now you've gone too far, you little chocolate craving, wristwatch fetish, multi-tool loving, flaming neutralist!!! :mad:

:D:p:rolleyes:;):)

[killinmammals]

okay. Switzerland. They stay out of everyone's business. As it should be.
Hard to stay out of someones business when they come get in yours isn't it?

[Al]

okay. Switzerland. They stay out of everyone's business. As it should be.

Now you've gone too far, you little chocolate craving, wristwatch fetish, multi-tool loving, flaming neutralist!!! :mad:

:D:p:rolleyes:;):)

Sounds like a perfect plan if your an Ostrich.

[Willie]

Do you think by chance that Switzerland woudl just take it on the chin if the terrorists plane bombed a couple of their buildings with 3,000 people in them?

I don't.. they would go looking for them..

[bbamc]

and by the way, we USED to be the greatest nation on earth. As soon as we adopted a policy of pre-emptive strikes and began a war against our own citizens, we lost that mantle.

It is the fact that you can make that statement that makes this the greatest nation on earth. I am proud to have fought on foreign soils to give you that right. I respect your right to say what you must but to quote the Hag
"When you are running down my country boy you are walking on the fighting side of me"

[slickhead slayer]

So my dissension with the direction our country has taken tells you everything you need to know about me?? How dare I have an opinion that strays from the one you've been spoon-fed your whole life. I must be one of them there danged ol' liberal commies out to destroy AMURRICA!!!

Pick up a history book people (a real one, not the ones they gave you in 6th grade). Read about the fall of the Roman Empire. Read about the Medieval Dark Ages, and the corresponding time in the Ottoman. Read about the birth of our nation. We have cocooned ourselves in arrogance and complacency so tightly that we may never escape, but we have to try.

I am shocked that you haven't commented on Obamas sponsoring legislation that would require firearm owners to be nationally fingerprinted. Your biggest complaint of Bush was too much Gov, and you constantly bashed him for the patriot act. I would think that anyone who disliked the patriot act, would have a coronary over a national fingerprint plan.
Your inconsistency takes away your credibility.

[kytrapper]

This is one of those taking their marbles and going home threads. He talked himself into showing his true colors and there's no logical justification for his statement. Liberalism always achieves the exact opposite of it's stated intent.

[buckfever]

okay. Switzerland. They stay out of everyone's business. As it should be.

Switzerland, are u kidding???

In WWII, that country was full of Nazi-sympathizers and completely rolled over and capitulated to Nazi economic demands. In historical displays of bravery to fight against evil, Switzerland should stand as tall and proud as the Vichy French.

If the US followed the Swiss example, we'd all be wearing lederhosen and saying Dankeschön while eating streudel and sauerkraut.

[2speed]

and by the way, we USED to be the greatest nation on earth. As soon as we adopted a policy of pre-emptive strikes and began a war against our own citizens, we lost that mantle.
I just want to say Thanks VETS for making this the GREATEST Nation EVER. This is nothing but a slap in the face of all the men that has fought for this Nation.I am all for if you don't like it, leave and never come back..
Just my 2 cents.

[KYCatBirdHunter]

okay, I will comment on the fingerprint legislation. It's stupid. It's completely unconstitutional, and it'll never go through. It has no chance.

Just because you support a candidate doesn't mean you support everything he's ever done. It means you think they're the best of what's out there.

[fullstrut1]

If Obama makes it you might be KYCATBIRDWATCHER!!

[KYCatBirdHunter]

funny how when a republican is president, you guys are the first to point out that "Presidents don't make laws!"

But then when the thought of a democrat being put into office comes up, let's all be scared of all these laws he's gonna put in.

Which is it?

[raktrakr]

funny how when a republican is president, you guys are the first to point out that "Presidents don't make laws!"

But then when the thought of a democrat being put into office comes up, let's all be scared of all these laws he's gonna put in.

Which is it?If obama gets elected, he'll help pass laws that cant get passed by a republican President. His following libs will get more of these BS laws passed with him and the people he appoints in there,such as a new version of the brady bill and socialist laws.

[Willie]

funny how when a republican is president, you guys are the first to point out that "Presidents don't make laws!"

But then when the thought of a democrat being put into office comes up, let's all be scared of all these laws he's gonna put in.

Which is it?

Except for a couple of years Bush was saddled with a congress/senate that was anti-Bush (cause they just knew he stole the election) and it was gridlock.

Give your man a Dem controlled senate and congress and he will get what he wants save a filibuster by the senate Republicans.

Of all the Dems in the world this guy is the absolute worst to have in there.

How anyone with a lick of sense could support and vote for him is way beyond my comprehension..

[Auk1124]

In historical displays of bravery to fight against evil, Switzerland should stand as tall and proud as the Vichy French.


Actually for a couple of centuries the Swiss were total badasses, starting with a popular revolt against the Habsburgs in the thirteenth century that became what is arguably the earliest democratic revolution in history, predating our own revolution against George III by centuries. The Pope still employs Swiss mercenaries as his guards, a result of their fearsome reputation from back then (but their uniforms are pretty gay by modern standards).

But I agree, the Swiss have nothing to be proud of regarding WWII. I suspect a Swiss native would tell you they either had to play along and stay out of the way or be annhilated, same as Sweden and the Catholic Church. None of the European neutrals have much to be proud of from that period.

Historical rambling concluded.

[Willie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8

I wonder why we never saw this on the nightly news?


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[redneck1377]

saw what ? bamao never finish his idea, he is so bad that he would not be able to play golf "STOP"

[KYCatBirdHunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8

I wonder why we never saw this on the nightly news?


.

because there's nothing there. All he did was lose his train of thought.

[Willie]

... because there's nothing there.....

BINGO !!

The media talks about what a great articulate speaker he is.. this shows he is not quite what they says he is..

If that had been McClain or Bush it would have been on every nightly news show..

[raktrakr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8

I wonder why we never saw this on the nightly news?


.Because without his telepromptors and prepared speeches, he a blithering idiot. We've seen this more than once. I dont see him doing the Townhall meeting with McCain.

[Willie]

Because without his telepromptors and prepared speeches, he a blithering idiot. We've seen this more than once. I dont see him doing the Townhall meeting with McCain.

But Obama said he would debate McCain "anytime and any place" and now he seems to be backing off the town hall type debates..,..

[raktrakr]

But Obama said he would debate McCain "anytime and any place" and now he seems to be backing off the town hall type debates..,..Thats what he said alright but his bluff has been called

[maxcam]

Yeah when you take away the smoke and mirrors, a couple of teleprompters and his makeup artist, Hussein is nothing more than another babbling idiot from the radical left.

Hussein Obama cannot win a debate against John "The Real American" McCain........

[maxcam]

Just think.......There are going to be people in this country that are going to wake up and realize they voted for someone named Hussein Obama for the presidency of the United States.........Even after they were made aware of his associations with William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Louis Farrakhan, and the honorless Jeremiah Wright...............

No wonder Jim Jones was able to con over 900 people to join him down at his ranch, The Peoples Temple, to drink the Kool Aid.......

Imagine what he could have accomplished had CNN and the New York Times been promoting his flavor of the day!

[MsgMills]

Barack Hussein Obama, the Presidential Democratic
Party candidate, is for banning all guns in America.
He is considered by those who have dealt with him, as
a little more than just a little self-righteous.

At a recent rural elementary school meeting in North
Texas, he asked the audience for total quiet.
Then in the silence, he started to slowly clap his
hands once every few seconds, holding the audience in
total silence.

Then he said into the microphone, "Every time I clap
my hands a child in America dies from gun violence."

Little Johnny with a proud Texas Drawl, pierced the
quiet! "Well, stupid, stop clapping!" :D

[kytrapper]

He's fooling people with a childlike mentality.