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KY_Xcutter
08-27-2002, 10:01 PM
I am going to set a 3D course this Saturday for the first time and was wondering if anyone would like to give me a few suggestions on setting the course. For all of the 3D shooters out there what do you like to see in a range (what makes it a good one!!!)The only guidelines that i have to follow is no more than 35 for bowhunter and no more than 50 for the open stake.Also i was told not to set the targets at too much of an angle. Any info would be helpful.
Xcutter
Ky Headhunter
08-27-2002, 11:16 PM
Be aware that you may become a lightning rod for criticism after the shoot! No way to please everybody. But somebody's gotta set 'em up, right? Been there & done that many times!
My #1 pet peeve, something I take great care not to do when I'm setting up, is quartering targets. I know this adds some extra "challenge" to the shot, but I object because the scoring zones are NOT representative for a quartering shot, only for broadside.
Also, if you think there will be some inexperienced 3-ders at the shoot, try to set as many as possible in places where the arrow won't be lost or destroyed on a miss. Of course, there's only so much you can do in that respect. Quickest way to turn a newbie off 3-d tourneys is to have him come back from his first shoot having trashed 1/2 doz. arrows.
Shooting a 36" axle-to-axle compound, I sometimes forget that our traditional brethren require a little more space to draw a 58" recurve or 62" longbow. Have been politely reminded of this fact a time or two<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>.
Good luck, hope it goes well.
RutNBuck
08-28-2002, 04:21 AM
something i have often encountered at 3 d's is the very poor in woods directions to the next target,make sure you use more then you think you will need ,
paper plates with arrows pointing which way to go after you pull arrows....At the target make sure its marked # 1 # 2 etc... (also helps say target #5 is a bear target on plate say #5 Bear) then right near the target have an arrow pointing shooters to the next target in a safe zone...i have been to alot of shoots that this wasnt done properly and if not creates a heck of alot of confusion in the woods an also a unsafe shoot....i assure you you will recieve more complaints on the above if done incorrectly then the way you set up your targets
hope this helps
SAFETY IS #1...
"A wise indian once said,the more you move the less you will see,the less you move the more you will see"
" I live to hunt, but my wife says i may hunting a place to live"
Edited by - RutNBuck on 08/28/2002 04:23:35 AM
Duster
08-28-2002, 08:04 AM
Get a trusted friend to help with this. First get a string EXACTLY 29 yards long. Set EVERY target at that yardage. Set uphill, downhill, across ditches, over humps so the targets feet don't show. Now set back come shoot day an watch the fun. We did this once an nobody figured out the targets were all at the same yardage. Ask the shooters how far a certain target such as a bear or elk or location that can be remembered was an listen to the differant answers you get. I might add , we had some darn good shooters visit our club an nobody shot a perfect score that day.
KY_Xcutter
08-28-2002, 09:53 AM
Duster
I never thought about setting it like that. I'd say it would tend to screw with your mind.
The reason I'm setting the course is because Great White and I thought it might be kind of neat. so we asked the guys who usually run it and they said no problem. Well its going to be the last tournament of the year and I wanted it to be a decent one. A few guys that shoot there allready know that I'm the one thats going to set it. And they keep saying "make it a good one". I can see allready that the frustration of a missed target or a bad shot is going to be directed towards me. Thanks for all of the information so far but keep it coming.
Xcutter
MrBowhunter
08-28-2002, 05:34 PM
Well, if you already know that certain people will blame you for their inability to judge distance then run with it. Make some of the shots actual hunting shots by making it otugh. Hide the animals with only small areas open where the vitals are.
The cubs and youth max distance should be 15 yards. The Traditional shooters should be 20-25 yards to keep them from hollering.
Apparently this is a trphy or money shoot? I don't care much for those but I can't seem to find many fun shoots. Nothing I hate more than standing behind a compound shooter with 3 foot of stabilizer and a range finder in his hand while he glasses for 2 minutes, pulls up and draws, waves his head around until it's just right, then something doesn't feel right and he let's down and starts all over. A shoot shouldn't last 4 hours.
You compound guys can holler all you want, I shot them for years and am very good with them but some of you go to far. All this to shoot a 10 in the end. Man, I can outscore alot of compound guys with my recurve.
Love you all, hehehe
Kenny
Ky Headhunter
08-28-2002, 07:56 PM
MrBowhunter, I'm a compound guy, but I ain't hollerin! I agree with you. Sometimes it gets outta hand, at least for a local club shoot.
Salty
08-28-2002, 10:15 PM
That's why I quit 3D shooting frequently. I enjoy it, but I try not to let the stake get warm when I shoot. Been though a couple of shoots that took close to 5 hours to finish for the above listed reasons.
taggedout
08-29-2002, 12:04 AM
Keep in mind that safety has to be the 1st issue. use plenty of yellow caution ribbon to keep shooters out of risky areas, this can be picked up from just about any hardware store. Surveyor markers make good shooter stakes (wire w/plastic flag) and can be gotten in all the collors for the different classes. They'r easy to carry around and you dont need to pack a hammer with you. The shooters may gripe cause they bend over. Just act surprised and replie that the shooters are supposed to touch the stakes not stand on them! Mark your trails well at all turns in the paths and you should be able to see a direction marker to the next target from each shooting stake, while the guys are waiting thier turn to shoot and bullshiting they will notice these and know witch direction they will go after they shoot without standing around talking about it. A black majic marker and paper plates work great. walk your shooters to pull arrows on a path, not your shooting lanes or by the end of the day the shot will be totally different for the last shooters because you have had 100 people walking through the woods trampeling and grabbing all the brush and branches. Never walk your shooters behind a target - even after pulling arrows! Walk them back to the path on another path from the target not on the same as they just walked to pull arrows. Have as few pull and retuns as possible, they take to long waiting for the 1st group to get out of the way. Try to start your shoot close to registration area and end it as close as possible to that area. They just walked a half mile and can realy bitch about this.
If your shooting 30 targets set a couple of coolers full of pop and bottled water some where around target #15 with a coffe can and do the buddy system thing for $1.00, it usually works out. Or even better if the land lays right rout em back past the club house for a break about midway through the course.
If you dont have room for 30 targets you can shoot 15 targets twice from 2 sets of stakes, not as popular but sometimes you have to make due.
Try to have some place set up for shooters to warm up from 20-50yards befor the shoot.
Keep your shots broadside for the most part, a little kant on the targets wont hurt. Use the lay of the land, roles were you can put the target in places they cant see the ground to judge the distance really messes with em. Use the light some too, like shooting from a dark spot in the woods to light in a field is deceptive. Or put an elk about 20yrds back into a dark shadow in the woods and set the stake about 20 yrds out in the field. some times it just feels right, you walk up to a spot and feel you could just see a big old buck rubben that cedar tree there----do it!
My advice is to walk it yourself 1st W/60 stakes one for shots and one for targets and get it in you head what YOU want cause the monkey is on your back, then walk it with a couple of friends to stand at stakes and make sure your lay out is safe. Now you want about 4or5 guys W/meschetes (YOU KNOW THOSE BIG KNIFE THINGS) and weedeaters and walk to each target and stake together and boss them as to what to cut.
It's a lot of work but it's a blast too!
You have to be a little thick skinned cause your going to hear some bitchn, but they don't remember the ones that arent a challange. At the same time don't forget these guys have have a lot of money tied up in equipment, travel, registration and all. Now ---- MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Oh yea, don't let all your buddys sneak away about 3:00 cause you've got about 2000lbs of ethafoam scattered all over the woods...
Grummybear
Edited by - taggedout on 08/29/2002 12:14:03 AM
KY_Xcutter
08-29-2002, 12:21 PM
Hey guys thanks for all of the help. I hope every thing turns out on saturday. And if you are in the Morehead area head on down to whitetail archery.
Xcutter
taggedout
08-29-2002, 12:37 PM
Wherebouts in Morehead are you talking about and what time KY_Xcutter?
Grummybear
Highbow
08-29-2002, 05:09 PM
Yes, it is hard to please them all, we have a shoot the next two Sundays in Prestonsburg and then we put them up till spring. We have the new quartering away buck that is great to shoot at because the kill zones are where they should be. This time of year I like to have reasonable realilistic shots that a bowhunter would take.
KY_Xcutter
08-29-2002, 08:07 PM
Taggedout
the shoot is off of route 32 leaving Morehead towards Fleming county turn right on Pennington Flats and its the first left hand turn on the left. You'll see the sign for the sportsmans club. I think Sign in is from 10-2.
Xcutter
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