So you think your gun's are safe with McCain

[Duster]

http://gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm

Interesting very Interesting

[lonesomepine]

I think they'll be alot safer with McCain than they will be with Hillary or the Muslim in office.While I don't like any of the big 3 candidates at all,McCain is the lesser of the evils.If the Muslim gets elected this country is in a heap of dung.

[Fat Tony]

http://gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm

Interesting very Interesting

I think they will be safer with McCain. I know they won't be safe at all with nobama.

[killinmammals]

Like the two before me stated, I don't completly trust McCain, but I would never even try and begin to trust the other two socialists. Anybody that has done their research knows McCain has jumped back and forth

[Duster]

Just a thought would it not be better to know where a person stands on a issue..any issue than flip flop back and forth so you can never tell what they are up to. Better to know who your enemys are and what they are up too than to think they are your friends till they stab you in the back.

[killinmammals]

True, but there is no chance with Hillary or Obama, with McCain, there is a chance.

[Wildcat]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html

[Duster]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html

And all this time I thought you didn't believe one thing CNN reported due to it being a liberal news organization....:D

[ptbrauch]

Aren't all the candidates positions on gun control kind of on hold until the Supreme Court issues their ruling on the 2nd Amendment (which should come before the general election)?

[turkeytalker]

They are safe with McCain yes,but he could press some bad issues and get some bad laws passed concerning gunowners that could lead to future problems.


I think he came out today talking about "Greedy" wall street hurting the economy,if he keeps this socialist BS up he will lose my vote. I really don't like him anyway.

[turkeytalker]

Just a thought would it not be better to know where a person stands on a issue..any issue than flip flop back and forth so you can never tell what they are up to. Better to know who your enemys are and what they are up too than to think they are your friends till they stab you in the back.


Thats why i like McCain, he talks straight about Iraq! The other two are lying through their teeth just like Nancy and Harry did last year to win Congress. Nobody is gonna bring the troops home until it is finished.


I vote first against abortion,second RKBA,national defense,taxes. McCain clearly wins the majority of my issues.

[Duster]

Thats why i like McCain, he talks straight about Iraq!


So 100 years is OK by you ,when you going to visit the recruiter and sign up ???

[turkeytalker]

So 100 years is OK by you ,when you going to visit the recruiter and sign up ???


Hmmmm;,,,,,,,,, gotta slip my boots on for this one, 100 yrs. of what?

[killinmammals]

yeah cause we haven't had troops stationed in hostile areas for a long time before

[Duster]

yeah cause we haven't had troops stationed in hostile areas for a long time before

Good glad to see your signing up and doing your part.

[killinmammals]

Good glad to see your signing up and doing your part.
SO...just because I haven't signed up for the military I can't say anything huh...whatever:rolleyes:. Here we go. If I was called up right this very second in a draft or whatever you think will happen, I would go no doubt in my mind.

[Fat Tony]

Obama wants to pass a federal law that outlaws all state concealed carry laws unless you are retired law enforcment or military? Great idea, you idiot. Repeal the will of the people in nearly 45 states.:eek:

[turkeytalker]

Obama wants to pass a federal law that outlaws all state concealed carry laws unless you are retired law enforcment or military? Great idea, you idiot. Repeal the will of the people in nearly 45 states.:eek:


Fat Tony, don't you understand that gang members can't get CCWP? Are you a racist? Shouldn't gang members with felonies be able to carry concealed? Thats nothing but racist hate speech,why don't you go back to your small town and cling to your guns and faith and be a typical redneck?


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Fat Tony]

Sorry. I'm just bitter I guess.;)

[Fat Tony]

From CNN today...


Obama, meanwhile, supports extending the assault weapons ban; supports a national law against carrying concealed weapons, with exceptions for retired police and military personnel; and supports limiting gun sales to one per month. But promises by all the candidates to protect the fundamental right to gun ownership won't impress the gun lobby.

The National Rifle Association (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/National_Rifle_Association) gave both Clinton and Obama an "F" on gun policies.

The NRA hardly spared McCain, giving him a C+ in their assessment.

[aceoky]

Obama wants to pass a federal law that outlaws all state concealed carry laws unless you are retired law enforcment or military? Great idea, you idiot. Repeal the will of the people in nearly 45 states.:eek:


"I" don't believe that matters at all, because his WANTS to do or get done.......does not mean he can (Federally ) force states to comply (that IS "illegal and Un-Constitutional BTW).....When the Supreme Court makes it's final (public/official) ruling in June, MOST (if not all) stupid gun laws will "vanish" (though it may take a few court cases to bring it to fruition) :D ........

It's THE FACT of how he FEELS about the Citizens of this Country (and HE doesn't trust US armed............but "OK" for "certain folks", just NOT US) that should get the most attention IMO........

HE "overlooks" (and conveniently no doubt) the FACT that violent crime rates have DROPPED where CCW has been legalized............wonder why??

[Fat Tony]

Great article about Obama's 2 faced approach on guns from a guy who used to teach with him at Univ. Chicago and then worked with him in the legislature. Some scary quotes.


Something happens to Democrats on the gun issue when they run (http://www.johnrlott.com/op-eds/DemocraticrhetoricLATimes.html) for president. For John Kerry during 2004, it was awkwardly posing in brand new hunting gear at a seemingly endless (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50527-2004Oct21.html) series of hunting photo-ops.

But in what will probably be the most improbable change, the Politico reported (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9398.html) on Saturday that Barack Obama was making a big play for gun votes in Pennsylvania. It is not particularly surprising that this change is occurring with the crucial Pennsylvania primary soon approaching.
With about one million (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html) of the country’s 12.5 million (http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/NROHunting101907.html) hunters, Pennsylvania is number one in the nation in the amount of time its citizens spend hunting. With about 600,000 (http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061217/NEWS/612170334/-1/DATABASE01) people with permits to carry concealed handguns, Pennsylvania also has more permit holders than any other state.

Others, such as Jim Kessler, vice president for policy with Third Way, a progressive think tank, view (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9398.html) Obama as starting to position himself for the general election. Yet, it should be a hard sell.

Obama has consistently (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9398.html) supported gun control legislation that came up while he was in the Illinois state legislature and the U.S. Senate.
For example, when Obama ran for the Illinois state senate the political group, Independent Voters of Illinois (IVI), asked him if he supported a “ban [on] the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns” and he responded “yes.” (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=03FA375F-3048-5C12-00CC7D33B6E8E59E)

Realizing how damaging this could prove in the general election, his presidential campaign “flatly denied” (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=03FA375F-3048-5C12-00CC7D33B6E8E59E) Obama ever held this view, blaming it instead on a staffer from his state senate race.

But then IVI provided (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=03FA375F-3048-5C12-00CC7D33B6E8E59E) Politico the questionnaire with Obama’s own handwritten notes revising another answer. Members of IVI’s board of directors, some of whom have worked on Obama’s past campaigns, told Politico that “I always believed those to be his views, what he really believes in, and he’s tailoring it now to make himself more palatable as a nationwide candidate.”

But the IVI questionnaire isn’t the only one out there.
In 1998, another questionnaire administered by IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test didn’t ask about banning all handguns, but it did find that Obama wanted (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/barack_obama_gun_control.htm) to “ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.”

Indeed, such a ban would outlaw virtually all handguns and the vast majority of rifles sold in the United States.

In addition, from 1998 to 2001, Obama was on the board of directors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Foundation#Governance) for the Joyce Foundation, which funded (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama_shooting_himself_in_the/) such anti-gun groups as the Violence Policy Center, the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence, and Handgun Free America. Both the Violence Policy Center and Handgun Free America, as its name suggests, are in favor of a complete ban on handguns. During his tenure on the board, the Joyce Foundation was probably the major funder of pro-control research in the United States.

In fact, I knew Obama during the mid-1990s, and his answers to IVI’s question on guns fit well with the Obama that I knew. Indeed, the first time I introduced myself to him he said “Oh, you are the gun guy.”
I responded “Yes, I guess so.” He simply responded that “I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”
When I said it might be fun to talk about the question sometime and about his support of the city of Chicago’s lawsuit against the gun makers, he simply grimaced and turned away, ending the conversation.

If taken literally, Obama’s statement to me was closer to what the IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test found, indicating that Obama's bans would extend well beyond handguns.
Obama also opposes (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html) the current laws in 48 states that let citizens carry concealed handguns for protection claiming, despite (http://johnrlott.tripod.com/postsbyday/RTCResearch.html) all the academic studies to the contrary, that "I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."

Even Hillary Clinton disagrees (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html) with him on this.

The Obama campaign’s strategy largely follows 2003 surveys (http://www.johnrlott.com/op-eds/DemocraticrhetoricLATimes.html) produced by Democratic pollster Mark Penn showing that if Democrats didn't show "respect for the 2nd Amendment and support gun safety," voters would presume that they were anti-gun. "The formula for Democrats," according to Penn, "is to say that they support the 2nd Amendment, but that they want tough laws that close loopholes. This is something [Democrats] can run on and win on."

It was the same strategy that all the Democratic presidential candidates seemed to follow in 2004.

Earlier this year, Karlyn Bowman at the American Enterprise Institute said (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-02-26-guns-cover_N.htm): “The Clinton and Obama campaigns know the public opinion data on the issue well. . . . the right to be able to own a gun seems to be firmly held, and I think that's why both candidates say what they say."

In practice, saying that Obama now believes (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/politics/15demdebate-transcript.html?_r=2&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin) that the Second Amendment means that there is an individual right to own guns doesn’t mean anything if it can’t even prevent guns from being banned. And even today, despite the pressure from the Pennsylvania primary, Obama is unwilling to state that DC’s or Chicago’s ban on guns are unconstitutional.

Obama’s website only recognizes (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf) two legitimate purposes for civilian ownership of guns: “hunting and target shooting.” The notion that people might want to protect themselves when the police are not around isn’t something that he sees as legitimate.

On both his Iraq (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/04/obama-adviser-suggests-up-to-80000-troops-remain-in-iraq-by-2010/) and trade (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/03/ST2008030303289.html?hpid=topnews) policies, Obama has already faced the embarrassing situations where his top advisors have had to tell people in other countries not to worry because he doesn’t believe what he is telling American voters.

With guns, it sure looks like Obama is again telling voters what they want to hear, not what he plans on doing.

*John Lott (http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/), is the author of "Freedomnomics" (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1596985062/ref=nosim/?tag=johnrlotttrip-20) and a senior research scientist at the University of Maryland.

[killinmammals]

Well, Obama....he can kiss my #$$. I don't trust any of the canidates 100%, but he is the last one I will trust. Ol' Uncle Ted should take him hunting one day....or EVEN BETTER...we let him and Dick Cheney go quail hunting together:D...only give cheney a extrema holding some 3 1/2" T shot!!:D

[randy grider]

McCaine is definately the lesser of 3 evils, don't doubt it for a minute.

[killinmammals]

yes he is...sad to say "the lesser of 3 evils" huh?! Pretty poor choices for presidential canidates this year imo. That being said, the liberal scaring black gun fairy is making a stop by casa de johnson soon with some fun parts...gotta get 'em while ya can ya know!!:D

[slickhead slayer]

The NRA said it best in their ratings. Mccain gets a C+. For the most part, he has been an advocate for guns and gun owners, but a few times he has been on the wrong side. That gets him a C+, which is just average at best. Obama and Hillary get F's.
So while none of us are too thrilled with Mcain, a C is far better than a F.

[turkeytalker]

"I" don't believe that matters at all, because his WANTS to do or get done.......does not mean he can (Federally ) force states to comply (that IS "illegal and Un-Constitutional BTW).....When the Supreme Court makes it's final (public/official) ruling in June, MOST (if not all) stupid gun laws will "vanish" (though it may take a few court cases to bring it to fruition) :D ........


Ace have you ever heard of an Executive Order? Maybe some states wouldn't line up with one but i'd bet my backside this one would.

I also think you are reading way too much into the SCOTUS ruling,you listened to them right? Which justice did you think argued for a more broader ruling than the D.C. case?

[aceoky]

Ace have you ever heard of an Executive Order? Maybe some states wouldn't line up with one but i'd bet my backside this one would.

I also think you are reading way too much into the SCOTUS ruling,you listened to them right? Which justice did you think argued for a more broader ruling than the D.C. case?


I'm WELL aware of Executive orders ....... ;) and yes I listened (and read that) :)

The MAJORITY (which is ALL that matters) made it VERY clear the RIGHT is for THE PEOPLE (not militias) which WAS all this was "ever" really about (for this case)......

SO.....

Come June, (once public/official) ALL "gun control acts" will be UN-CONSTITUTIONAL..........(including any possible subsequent Executive orders issued with ANY gun control involved)


Now that being said, anything would still "need" to be brought to Federal Court to be ruled according to the new precedent.......I have to doubt most Cities would realize how futile it would then be to TRY to fight for gun control (Chicago comes directly to mind)..........could happen but overly foolish for them to waste $$$ (tax payers no less) ......we all know stranger things have happened though........

That is my understanding after discussing at length with several very good lawyers (a couple are law professors btw) :D


What "will that mean in the long run"???? NO one can really say as fact.......however the High Court IS the law......what they say GOES......which IS THE REASON WHY who is President matters so much.........ONLY the President can seat SCOTUS Justices (with Congress input and approval) .........A Dem president with a Dem Congress= BAD for US ........IMO IF for NO other reason that one......


Obama wants NO CCW in ANY state........(won't happen for various reasons, still WHO wants HIM appointing SCOTUS Justices......for only that reason( there are many others)

[Fat Tony]

Ace have you ever heard of an Executive Order? Maybe some states wouldn't line up with one but i'd bet my backside this one would.

I also think you are reading way too much into the SCOTUS ruling,you listened to them right? Which justice did you think argued for a more broader ruling than the D.C. case?

.
He'd use the ruling in South Dakata v. Dole which says you can tie federal funds (ie: highway funds, etc) to the state's willingness to go along with the federal mandate. Want the carrot? Follow Nobama's lead. Its how the federal govt got states to move the legal drinking age to 21. This is scary.

[aceoky]

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He'd use the ruling in South Dakata v. Dole which says you can tie federal funds (ie: highway funds, etc) to the state's willingness to go along with the federal mandate. Want the carrot? Follow Nobama's lead. Its how the federal govt got states to move the legal drinking age to 21. This is scary.


That is also how they got the mandatory 55 MPH speed limit (but it's GONE now)..... I "think" it would be a VERY "hard sell" to get states to go along with ending CCW as it's PROVEN to lower violent crime.......you'd have many folks (and many PD outraged)......IMO

[Wildcat]

You are talking about RIGHTS???

When Roosevelt ordered Japanese Americans into "relocation centers" that was a " Executive Order". So much for the American citizens "rights".

[aceoky]

GREAT point!!!

However "I" don't recall the SCOTUS ruling about THAT specific "item" just prior either :D

Based on the SCOTUS ruling (not "Official " just yet but should be in June) the RIGHT of the PEOPLE (not "just militias") to keep and bear arms will be made known.......VERY important to US and a "big deal" no doubt about it.....

"I" happen to believe there should be MUCH "stricter limits" (and checks and balances) on EVERY "Executive Order" and "I" don't believe ANY of them have the right to violate the Bill of RIGHTS........:eek:

[turkeytalker]

I can hear Obama and Steve mulling it over right now.

Ky's Bill of Rights.

Seventh: The right to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the State, subject to the power of the General Assembly to enact laws to prevent persons from carrying concealed weapons.

[Fat Tony]

Make no mistake, if these dunderheads vote this guy in, our rights of gun ownership will be under attack on all fronts. And it won't be in one fell swoop. It will be incrimental. This is going to end up just like the England Model where you have to register all firearms and then the only exemptions for continued legal possession will be for very specific classifications for hunting and target shooting use.

I'm not a one issue guy when it comes to politics. And if I was, this one would be down the list a just a bit. But this threat is real and anyone who says otherwise who claims to have an interest in supporting the 2nd Amendment has not done their homework on Obama or takes things he says in front of a camera a fact.

[trust me]

GREAT point!!!

However "I" don't recall the SCOTUS ruling about THAT specific "item" just prior either :D

Based on the SCOTUS ruling (not "Official " just yet but should be in June) the RIGHT of the PEOPLE (not "just militias") to keep and bear arms will be made known.......VERY important to US and a "big deal" no doubt about it.....

"I" happen to believe there should be MUCH "stricter limits" (and checks and balances) on EVERY "Executive Order" and "I" don't believe ANY of them have the right to violate the Bill of RIGHTS........:eek:

I swear I'm going to sneak into your house and steal all your punctuation keys.

[killinmammals]

I swear I'm going to sneak into your house and steal all your punctuation keys.
hahaha...he doesn' have a house...he is a "motivational" speaker that just "happens" to have had some "bad" luck and lives IN A VAN..DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!:D

The whole registering guns...they can say we have to do it, but honestly how many will do it. Look at a few of the countries and places here where they have to be registered...in other countries they just gave up and said forget it, or about 1-10% of the guns are actually registered.

[aceoky]

I swear I'm going to sneak into your house and steal all your punctuation keys.


I'll leave a light on............. :D



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