View Full Version : New KY hunting law to change makes me HAPPY!
pope and young
03-10-2008, 05:44 PM
I got my KY Afield mag today and I was flipping through it and came across something that I have really been worried about, if KY will ban feeding. According to this article, the KY Fish and Wildlife voted at the December meeting to move the ending date for the feeding ban to May 31 instead of July 31. It states that it will still have to be approved by the state legislators. I hope it does! I don't know about you but I like to feed in the summer and you use trail cameras to see what I have to look forward to. I have almost as much fun checking pictures every week as I do hunting. How does everyone feel about the new feeding ban?
Multidigits
03-10-2008, 05:55 PM
May 31 is the new date.
CHRISTANHUNTER
03-10-2008, 06:05 PM
it just didnt make any sense that the ban was cause of turkey hunting but it went all the way to july i also enjoying checking cameras early to watch there growth.
Strutter
03-10-2008, 06:06 PM
Just curious but why would a ban on feeding wildlife have to be approved by the state legislature?
Rob
Multidigits
03-10-2008, 06:08 PM
Just curious but why would a ban on feeding wildlife have to be approved by the state legislature?
Rob
All changes to KAR or KRS have to be approved by the Legislature. Nothing new here.
huntindawoods
03-10-2008, 06:23 PM
I to could see them banning feeding through turkey season, but yeah I agree why really ban feeding the wildlife all the way up to july 31. May 31 is a good time to lift the feeding ban that way hunters can start early feeding to see what they have to look forward to in Sept. and watch them grow through the summer.
MikeKy
03-10-2008, 07:12 PM
A KDFWR biologist told me year before last that they hoped to completely eliminate feeding because of disease control. They are worried about CWD in deer and bird flu wiping out turkeys. I'm sure I'm in the minority and some will have very strong feelings about it but I agree with the biologist. I didn't enjoy seeing the effects of EHD the last two times it came around and it would absolutely break my heart if bird flu got in the turkey population because some migrating bird that carries the bug stops off to eat at a corn pile at someone's feeder where turkeys feed.
turkeytalker
03-10-2008, 07:20 PM
A KDFWR biologist told me year before last that they hoped to completely eliminate feeding because of disease control. They are worried about CWD in deer and bird flu wiping out turkeys. I'm sure I'm in the minority and some will have very strong feelings about it but I agree with the biologist. I didn't enjoy seeing the effects of EHD the last two times it came around and it would absolutely break my heart if bird flu got in the turkey population because some migrating bird that carries the bug stops off to eat at a corn pile at someone's feeder where turkeys feed.
I feel the same way Mike.
So is it in effect now or does it come in effect next year?
greenskeeter
03-10-2008, 08:21 PM
It is the perfect date to lift the ban. I will now be able to put out my first bags of corn for the year on my birthday! Blow out some candles, spread out some corn, plan how to spend my BPS or Sportsman's Warehouse gift cards, maybe take the little one fishing...already got the day planned!
Daviessdeerhunt01
03-10-2008, 08:31 PM
I can't wait to get my cameras back out and check how the antlers are growing.
hunt-4-life21
03-10-2008, 08:36 PM
im glad they moved the date back. i dont feed very often but i do love checking my summer cam pics!
Yeah, that corn feeding is really destroying deer and turkey hunting in Texas, which killed a quarter of a million deer last year. banner year for turkeys too. Yep, corn the real killer. haha, thats a joke.
swamper
03-10-2008, 09:02 PM
Too bad...shoulda been banned all year....there are only 2 reasons to feed in KY, to shoot something or to see something. When avian pox wipes out a turkey population locally, or you have 20 coons destroying your quail/turkey nests, those that feed & and are effected will wish they hadn't.
stevemeadows
03-10-2008, 09:57 PM
EHD or getting hit by a car, deer die every year for reasons out of our control. I for one also enjoy checking the cameras and filling the feeders. All it takes is to see a young hunter harvest his or her first deer on video and you forget all about the other reasons for the animals untimely departure. IMO
deadaim
03-11-2008, 08:17 AM
Death by EHD doest have anything at all to do with deer feeding.........they get it from watering holes were biting nats thrive.
hunter1hall
03-11-2008, 09:08 AM
The only thing about this law, the people that they are trying to stop wont stop, and it just puts the limitation on people like us who follow the rules. I think the department should spend more time in the field and following up on reports of such activities and stop punishing the law abiding outdoorsmen. That is just how I see it.
, or you have 20 coons destroying your quail/turkey nests, those that feed & and are effected will wish they hadn't.
This and a baseball bat are a deadly combo to thin out coons.
http://www.fntpost.com/Products/Dog+Proof+Coon+Traps/Lil'+Grizz+Get'rz+Dog+Proof+Coon+Trap
Try planting corn for deer. Coons ate over 50% of my corn. Coons made trails into my plot and Ive found ears all over the woods and up in trees.
Im ordering a half dozen of those Lil Grizz traps. They are very simple to use.
buckfever
03-11-2008, 10:54 AM
Just curious but why would a ban on feeding wildlife have to be approved by the state legislature?
Rob
It's not really "approved" by the legislature in terms of having the whole legislature vote on when and where Kentuckians can bait. All agency (whether it's KDFWR, Dept. of Insurance, Bd of Education, etc. etc.) enacted regs go through a review process with the LRC ("Legislative Review Commission") to insure that all the "i's" were dotted and "t's" crossed when the agency passed the bill. It's more or less a check and balance on the agencies. For the most part, the LRC review simply makes sure that the proper procedures were followed (e.g., due notice under the open meetings act) and that the agency has the power to enact the reg they're passing. I'd bet that 97% of all reg changes by our various agencies fly through this process.
bigpuddin43
03-11-2008, 11:01 AM
well im with the minority in that wish that we couldnt bait. If a disease does come into the area by the time we find it baiting would aid in its spread and could be much harder to control. Also texas has to feed with poor soils they have and lack of natural browse too keep the deer herd at a huntable level they have to feed. we have great soils with tons of natural browse we dont have to.
slickhead slayer
03-11-2008, 12:07 PM
This and a baseball bat are a deadly combo to thin out coons.
http://www.fntpost.com/Products/Dog+Proof+Coon+Traps/Lil'+Grizz+Get'rz+Dog+Proof+Coon+Trap
Try planting corn for deer. Coons ate over 50% of my corn. Coons made trails into my plot and Ive found ears all over the woods and up in trees.
Im ordering a half dozen of those Lil Grizz traps. They are very simple to use.
Al, does this kill them, or just hold them there until you dispatch them?
MikeKy
03-11-2008, 12:35 PM
Try planting corn for deer. Coons ate over 50% of my corn. Coons made trails into my plot and Ive found ears all over the woods and up in trees.
Year before last my place was planted in corn. One field is 150 yds. wide and 400 yds. long. The day after that field was planted it was covered up with coons digging up the seed corn. They'd stay out in it all day long. I would run them out and 5 minutes later they'd be right back. In the first 6 rows all the way around the field only 7 stalks of corn came up. It'll be in corn again this year. Wish .223 ammo wasn't so high.
Al, does this kill them, or just hold them there until you dispatch them?
It holds them by the hand. Thats why its dog proof and prob. possom and skunk proof also.
Like Mike said if you plant corn or have probucing fruit trees or even corn for cams. Or if your trying to build up your bird population you have to thin the coons out.
Last yr I caught almost a dozen coons getting into my bird feeders and garden. I used live traps, but those are a pain to haul around and to clean up and they are to large to set out near a cam without spooking the deer.
Trappers really talk up those Lil Griz traps. Im going to put a sardine in each one for bait.
I ordered 6 traps one setter and a dozen 18" T stakes. Its a peice of rebar. With these traps you have to dispatch of them or they would tear you up releasing them.
Of course Ill only use them during trapping season.:rolleyes:
CSS archer
03-11-2008, 04:59 PM
Death by EHD doest have anything at all to do with deer feeding.........they get it from watering holes were biting nats thrive.
When you concentrate deer you increase EHD transmission or any other diseases, the midges fly just like mosquitoes and can be anywhere, but they breed in water.
The fact that water was so limiting and the vegetation around them more succulent, and more attractive to deer, concentrated them making it easy for a midge to bite an infected deer then pass it to another and another, feeding during such times can be very bad because they bed, go eat at the feeder and bed again.
Don't fool yourself and think that feeding has no negative impact, especially during a time like last summer.
HalfBass
03-11-2008, 07:10 PM
Does the ban include mineral stations? When it went into effect last year I abandoned my mineral stations until August, just because I wasn't sure if they were included too. Better safe than sorry....
CSS archer
03-11-2008, 07:47 PM
Does the ban include mineral stations? When it went into effect last year I abandoned my mineral stations until August, just because I wasn't sure if they were included too. Better safe than sorry....
No, this includes grains and grain based feeds. Mineral licks are OK, and in my opinion the best way to photo bucks in June/July anyhow.
bowhunter08
03-11-2008, 08:17 PM
Mineral licks are OK, and in my opinion the best way to photo bucks in June/July anyhow.
I agree i get some of my best pics during that time.
slickhead slayer
03-11-2008, 08:59 PM
I know those against baiting want to pin anything negative on it they can. But we were all seeing lots of dead EHD deer last year BEFORE the feeding ban was even over. I am not saying that congregating animals during times of disease is a good thing. But lets be honest and say that with or without baiting, EHD was going to hit our deer herd this past year.
No, this includes grains and grain based feeds. Mineral licks are OK, and in my opinion the best way to photo bucks in June/July anyhow.
What about sunflower seed? Its not a grain or grain based feed is it?
buckfever
03-12-2008, 09:40 AM
What about sunflower seed? Its not a grain or grain based feed is it?
Under the existing regs, you can't use any kind of seed during the ban. Because so many folks keep their bird feeders full year round, they adopted the "curtilage of the home" exemption to keep your typical bird feeding lawful.
I don't have the link on hand, but the current reg basically bans any kind of food substance that could be used to attract a deer.
Although mineral licks are OK, it's also my understanding that you could potentially be cited if you use the blocks that contain molasses and corn.
Under the existing regs, you can't use any kind of seed during the ban. Because so many folks keep their bird feeders full year round, they adopted the "curtilage of the home" exemption to keep your typical bird feeding lawful.
I don't have the link on hand, but the current reg basically bans any kind of food substance that could be used to attract a deer.
Although mineral licks are OK, it's also my understanding that you could potentially be cited if you use the blocks that contain molasses and corn.
Ive got 150 lbs of soybeans left from last yrs planting. Im not going to use them this yr(they sat in my hot shed all summer), Im going to plant this yrs seed. I was planning to dump these somewhere on the farm is that something I could get cited for.
buckfever
03-12-2008, 10:02 AM
Ive got 150 lbs of soybeans left from last yrs planting. Im not going to use them this yr(they sat in my hot shed all summer), Im going to plant this yrs seed. I was planning to dump these somewhere on the farm is that something I could get cited for.
I guess it's possible, but I'd be surprised if somebody ever got cited for discarding excess grain seed that was used in the normal agricultural practice. Here's a link to the reg.
http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/kar/301/002/015reg.htm
I guess it's possible, but I'd be surprised if somebody ever got cited for discarding excess grain seed that was used in the normal agricultural practice. Here's a link to the reg.
http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/kar/301/002/015reg.htm
If the soy beans are treated with pesticides, etc it is against Federal law to dump them. That is where the critter groups get their seed for planting from. Seed companies have a big issue in discarding seed stock that has been treated.
If the soy beans are treated with pesticides, etc it is against Federal law to dump them. That is where the critter groups get their seed for planting from. Seed companies have a big issue in discarding seed stock that has been treated.
Ok, so that means there is potential to poison a bunch of birds etc.
So unused seed like hybred stuff needs to be buryed.
moe40356
03-12-2008, 04:14 PM
i think standing food plots are a GOOD THING BUT FEEDERS AND CORN OUT ON THE GROUND?WHATS THE POINT IF THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN KILL THEM IS BY FEEDING THEM WHAT THE POINT:confused:
deadaim
03-12-2008, 04:24 PM
i think standing food plots are a GOOD THING BUT FEEDERS AND CORN OUT ON THE GROUND?WHATS THE POINT IF THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN KILL THEM IS BY FEEDING THEM WHAT THE POINT:confused:
:D:p:rolleyes::cool:.......it starts about every two months.........
Feedman
03-13-2008, 07:40 PM
If you have soybean seed left over from last yr, you had better be planting them. Soybean seed is hard to find this yr.
harrops26
03-24-2008, 10:07 PM
Feeding deer is banned year round in NY. Im not sure how i feel about it though. In Northern NY where im from you can have 10 feet of snow in some places and the people placing feed for the deer was the only way most of the herd could survive the winter. With 30-40 deer eating in the same small area everyday the possiblity for disease was that much higher. Now with the possibilty of Cronic Wasting Disease, the risk is even greater. I think that the threat of CWD is much more dangerous to the deer population than starvation. So i guess it really is a good thing.
wowsafari
03-24-2008, 10:57 PM
Jim Strader did a show talking about alot of these same things. http://www.whas.com/pages/jimstrader.html
Here is a link to his site on WHAS.
turkeytalker
03-24-2008, 11:43 PM
:D:p:rolleyes::cool:.......it starts about every two months.........
Every two months some ask why its needed?Pretty good argument?:confused:
Has anyone proved that the EHD epidemic wasn't due to baiting?
I've read plenty of opinions
slickhead slayer
03-26-2008, 12:30 AM
Has anyone proved that the EHD epidemic wasn't due to baiting?
I've read plenty of opinions
We had a baiting ban in Ky last year when EHD started. Lots of deer died of EHD all across the state, before baiting was allowed. A small insect is what spread it.
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