KY Afield Radio Program

[Old Oak]

Kentucky Afield Radio is a public forum regarding issues that affect the hunting, fishing, trapping and boating sports in the Bluegrass State. Hosted by Tim Farmer of Kentucky Afield Television, this program offers expert advice from Kentucky Fish and Wildlife personnel, tips from well-known sportsmen and women, as well as giving callers a chance to ask questions about their favorite subjects associated with wildlife-related recreation. Kentucky Afield Radio airs each Sunday night from 6-8 p.m. Eastern/5-7 p.m. Central from its flagship station, WKYW-AM 1490 in downtown Frankfort. The show will begin syndication throughout portions of the state on March 30.

Other stations carrying Kentucky Afield Radio beginning March 30 include WKCM-AM 1160 in Hawesville; WBGN-AM 1340 in Bowling Green; WNBS-AM 1340 in Murray; WLYE-FM 94.1 in Glasgow; and WLXO-FM 96.1 in Lexington. More stations may be added as demand for the program grows.

This new outdoor sports talk show is aimed at bringing the most up-to-date and accurate hunting and fishing information direct to you from the state fish and wildlife department. Tune in each week, we’ll keep you current about what’s happening in the woods or on the water.

[ky_bull]

Sounds like ole' Strader might have some competition. I know Ill be listening.

[Big Nasty]

We have didly-doo in terms of outdoor radio that I know of in Northern Kentucky. There is a fishing show form 5-6 am on Saturday's in the spring, but that's about it. Would be very interested in this program, may be able to pick up the Lexington station on a clear night. Thanks for posting.

[cnc]

Looking foward to it.

[Marko]

Do you know if the show can be downloaded from the web if you miss the broadcast?

[huntministry]

We have a Christian based outdoor radio program. It airs on the internet as well as out of Morganfield, Ky. It is called Thought's From The Deer Stand. It is a 30 minute program that airs on Saturday mornings @ 9:30 am on 101.3 WMSK. If you have a hunting story to share or want more information PM me.

[daking]

Half of those listed stations are part of the Kentucky News Network, a group of stations owned by Clear Channel. Their Kentucky flagship is WHAS in Louisville, where the Strader show orginates. Strader is not a WHAS employee. He contracts for the time slot, sells his own advertising and whatever he sells above his contract and production costs is his profit. If the Kentucky News Network likes this product, Strader may find himself in a bidding war for his time slot...against the people he spent week after week trashing in his time slot. Now would not be the time to buy stock in Jim Strader Productions.

[im-back]

Half of those listed stations are part of the Kentucky News Network, a group of stations owned by Clear Channel. Their Kentucky flagship is WHAS in Louisville, where the Strader show orginates. Strader is not a WHAS employee. He contracts for the time slot, sells his own advertising and whatever he sells above his contract and production costs is his profit. If the Kentucky News Network likes this product, Strader may find himself in a bidding war for his time slot...against the people he spent week after week trashing in his time slot. Now would not be the time to buy stock in Jim Strader Productions.

you must think an awful lot of strader to always be talking about him

[JDMiller]

Since most everyone down my way dont even know what a "Jim Strader" is .... Kentucky Afield radio sounds good. Glad to see WNBS-AM 1340 out of Murray picking it up.

A format of public forum where anyone can call in and discuss hunting & fishing issues other than Straders personal problems ... sounds like a winner to me. :D

[bowhunter08]

A format of public forum where anyone can call in and discuss hunting & fishing issues other than Straders personal problems ... sounds like a winner to me. :D


I agree, i am looking forward to it.

[redbone]

Just curious as to how this is being funded?

[rgb62]

You will be able to hear replays on myhuntingandfishing.com. They have other hunting/fishing show replays and videos as well.

[BUCKHEAVEN]

Sad when the Kentucky Department of Wildlife uses our hunting license money to compete with private businesses.

[quackrstackr]

Sad when the Kentucky Department of Wildlife uses our hunting license money to compete with private businesses.




So I suppose that you disagree with the TV show as well?

[redbone]

No, I personally don't have an issue with the TV program, it's been in their budget for years - but if the dept all the sudden has a surplus of money they can spend Radio Show I'd rather see that money spent on purchasing public land or opening up another dove field or something that would have real value for the hunter/fisherman.

[slickhead slayer]

For starters, how do we know its not being financed through sponsors, via advertising? Is it like the TV show with no commercials, or does the radio program have commercials?

Also, the TV show I would say has been a good invenstment. You get the KYDFW message out there, and in return you get alot more interested parties in hunting and fishing. Advertising gets people intersted in your product.

[Multidigits]

Just curious as to how this is being funded?

Probably the same as any other radio program is funded......air time for adsvertisers.

Sad when the Kentucky Department of Wildlife uses our hunting license money to compete with private businesses.

Might be a money maker....just like deer farming? Let's hope it's successful.



No, I personally don't have an issue with the TV program, it's been in their budget for years - but if the dept all the sudden has a surplus of money they can spend Radio Show I'd rather see that money spent on purchasing public land or opening up another dove field or something that would have real value for the hunter/fisherman.

Is Jimbo's show a "value to hunter/fisherman" or a waste of airtime? As for landand dove fields, that comes from a different fund and is always matching money from the Feds.

[redbone]

Is Jimbo's show a "value to hunter/fisherman" or a waste of airtime?

Obviously you and I will disagree on this ;) BTW, nice job of trying to hijack the thread and make this into a Dept vs Strader thread.

[redbone]

As for landand dove fields, that comes from a different fund and is always matching money from the Feds.

Also here's something interesting to note posted from KDFWR regarding funds and land acquisition - sounds to me like some lic money is used to pay for public land.

Frankfort, KY - ... Jon Gassett is stepping up the agency’s efforts to acquire more land for public hunting and fishing.
"We’re getting aggressive," said Gassett. "We’re going to think big on this one. There is a nationwide downward trend in the number of people who hunt and fish, and participation in hunting, fishing and boating is directly linked to opportunity.
"People tell us they don’t have time and they have no place to go," he said. "We think that if we can provide quality places to go, they will find the time."
Acquiring more public land is the fundamental building block to the aggressive marketing, recruitment, and retention campaign proposed by Gassett. He says KDFWR must aggressively recruit and retain our traditional constituent base while selling itself to the rest of Kentucky as the manager and trustee of their fish and wildlife resources.
"Our funding comes from the sale of hunting and fishing licenses and boat registrations," said Gassett. .....
He acknowledges the effort will require innovation. "We’ll never have an unlimited budget to purchase land," he said. "We have to be creative. Certainly, we will purchase land when we can, ....and other options that create public access."

[rgb62]

The press release says the show will begin syndication on March 30. I don't know exactly how that works, but wouldn't that mean that the show is being sold to radio stations in other markets? If so, and there are advertising sponsers, F&W might actually be making money on it.

[JDMiller]

Also here's something interesting to note posted from KDFWR regarding funds and land acquisition - sounds to me like some lic money is used to pay for public land.

KDF&WR is self supporting and receives no tax dollars from the state to operate.

However....matching dollars from Pittman-Robertson (PR) Act is money received by KDF&WR from the federal government. It's not the money received directly from purchase of license or boater registration. The more people participating in hunting..fishing..boating....purchasing items that fall under the PR Act...the more money alocated to the KDF&WR to fund purchasing land...improving habitat..ect.

Ky Afield TV and now Radio is a form of promotion / advertising...encouraging participation in hunting & fishing from potential users and providing a public service of sorts to existing hunters & fishermen. Regardless if we realize it or not..... if they dont spend money on advertising / providing proper information to the general public to encourage participation.... they would'nt be doing their job to keep and improve what we have now. I would not expect any less and hope they continually expand their market base on radio to reach more potential customers.

[Multidigits]

Obviously you and I will disagree on this ;) BTW, nice job of trying to hijack the thread and make this into a Dept vs Strader thread.


Thats funny....being that's the only reason you dropped in to post on the subject. Your opinion is biased because you profit from Jimbo's show. Any hijack going on, it was from your post not mine.

[Multidigits]

Dan, I would have thought that you would know how theDept. is funded, if not ask your buddy. Land when it is aquired is done with matching money from the Feds. as explained by JD.

What's good about this show is that it will be a positive improvement about the Dept. over what's been on the air now. Sure be nice for a change.

[daking]

Lou, welcome back. I'd thought you might have met an untimely fate.

Do you know if they're spending license money? If not, it's just cheap conjecture on your part.

Public money competing with private business? I guess you stay angry with PBS. Is Kentucky Afield (the second-longest running television show in the US) unfairly competing with Bill Dance or Tred Barta? Are you watching the John Adams series on PBS? Aren't they doing exactly what you are accusing (without a lick of proof, I might add) of the new radio show of doing.

For all the good it's doing you Lou, keep stirring the pot.

[redbone]

Thats funny....being that's the only reason you dropped in to post on the subject.

Let's see, where did I mention that:confused: Oh that's right you are just assuming that... and we all know what happens when you make an assumption :D

Your opinion is biased because you profit from Jimbo's show. Any hijack going on, it was from your post not mine.


Profit... Now that is funny - I wish that were the case, as a matter of fact I lose money - what I do, I do b/c I enjoy it.

None the less nice attempt again to divert off topic.:p

[redbone]

What's good about this show is that it will be a positive improvement about the Dept. over what's been on the air now. Sure be nice for a change.

Why can't they use the media that they have in place now to accomplish that? I also see where they are going to be spending more money to air their TV show commercially.

It just seems like an awful lot of extra money is being spent when they already have media infrastructure in place.

[buckfever]

Public money competing with private business?

Is Kentucky Afield (the second-longest running television show in the US) unfairly competing with Bill Dance or Tred Barta? Are you watching the John Adams series on PBS? Aren't they doing exactly what you are accusing (without a lick of proof, I might add) of the new radio show of doing.

For all the good it's doing you Lou, keep stirring the pot.

Kentucky Afield runs at odd hours (Saturday 8:30 pm and Sunday 4 pm), so it won't have to compete against other hunting/fishing shows.

They aren't promoting this radio show to attract more hunters/fishermen, they're promoting it for the sole purpose of hurting Strader. They know it, we know it, and a bunch of legislators know it.

Stunts like this are only going to hurt KDFWR in the long run. :mad:

[redbone]

Ky Afield TV and now Radio is a form of promotion / advertising...encouraging participation in hunting & fishing from potential users and providing a public service ....

umm... so if I'm a non-hunter and I'm channel surfing I would stop and listen to this radio show b/c why??? So tell me how again this encourages non hunters to start hunting? And what is it exactly they can promote on the radio that they can promote through their TV or Internet site?

[quackrstackr]

You would be hard pressed to find anyone in this region that knows who Strader is (or even cares, for that matter). I'm not saying that as a dig on anyone, just the honest truth. Folks around here aren't overly concerned about some big city power struggle that may be going on or someone from Louisville's take on what ought to be going on. Once again, I'm not saying that to ruffle any feathers.. it's just the truth from this end of the state.

They all know who the KDFWR and Tim Farmer are and a lot of them will probably make this thing part of their weekly activities. To think that this is solely a ploy to show up some local celebrity is extremely narrow minded IMO. Not all things revolve around Louisville, as much as some may like to think that it does.

[daking]

I beg to differ.

The 6-8 time slot on Sunday has always been a popular time for hook and bullet shows. People are driving home from the fields and the waters about that time and they tune it in on the radio. It would be my choice of time slots. Further, since it’s not a very good slot for say, Rush Limbaugh or Dr. Laura, the time slot is cheap. Why wouldn’t you choose a time slot that reached your target audience for a bargain price?

With regards to legislators taking note, for every one that would want to punish the department for picking on poor old Jim, there is at least one would applaud the department publicizing itself in a good time slot on the cheap. Were some of what many people consider Jim’s most scurrilous, dishonest and disingenuous attacks were played back to members of the legislature, I am sure that there would be a fair number who would support any effort the Department made to overcome his unfounded, venomous attacks. The legislature business cuts both ways. I suspect that outside of a few legislators who are sore-assed about the department anyway, there would be little sentiment one way of the other. Judging from the progress made in this session, I seriously doubt that they could effectively deal with this issue one way or another in the present millennium.

The over-arching issue is that there is a definite place in the market for an interactive hunting and fishing show on the radio. Jim has had years to try to fill that void and his Arbitron book indicates that he’s getting the same numbers in his time slot among 18-35 year old males (a key component of what should be his audience) that public radio gets. Instead of flailing around, kicking the Dept at every turn, perhaps Jim should work to keep his show fresh and relevant.

[redbone]

Half of those listed stations are part of the Kentucky News Network, a group of stations owned by Clear Channel. Their Kentucky flagship is WHAS in Louisville,

Those stations are not owned by Clear Channel - they are competitors, you can go to ClearChannel.com and type in the call letters to verify.

[daking]

Clear channel owns the Kentucky News Network. If CC doesn't own them, they program them. Check the website, Red.

[redbone]

Go back and re-read my post - you mentioned CC owned those stations - I simply stated they were not - I made no mention of KNN.

[Old Oak]

Don't care who owns what here. I think it is great for KY Afield to come back to the radio to provide accurate information to the sportsmen in Kentucky without hearing someone skew the discussion to a personal agenda! Kudos KDFWR. Looking forward to hearing the trained experts discuss topics and provide biological sound facts.

[Multidigits]

Kentucky Afield runs at odd hours (Saturday 8:30 pm and Sunday 4 pm), so it won't have to compete against other hunting/fishing shows.

They aren't promoting this radio show to attract more hunters/fishermen, they're promoting it for the sole purpose of hurting Strader. They know it, we know it, and a bunch of legislators know it.

Stunts like this are only going to hurt KDFWR in the long run. :mad:


Strader likes to use the sue word, why don't you and him team up to press your claim in court? Sounds like you already have gone to your connections in the Legislature again.

[JDMiller]

umm... so if I'm a non-hunter and I'm channel surfing I would stop and listen to this radio show b/c why??? So tell me how again this encourages non hunters to start hunting? And what is it exactly they can promote on the radio that they can promote through their TV or Internet site?


First off....WNBS-AM 1340 in Murray is one of my hometown stations. They carry local news... most highschool athletic games..and community service announcements. Considering its AM... it still is a popular choice for the community & businesses. As Quack stated... we dont get Straders show on this end of the state..and personally I could care less if his show remains prosperous or not.

As far as "why" would a non-hunter listen....those are your words. If you reread my post....I did'nt specify non-hunters...I stated potential hunters..fisherman...boaters. First off.... we live on the lakes(KY & Barkley)... to our north is the Ohio and the Mississippi is to our west. Fishing & boating plays a roll in most everyones life in these parts. Just the act of walking into a local business playing WNBS 1340 at a time a braodcast is airing has the potential of recruitment. Could be as simple as a child asking a parent to go fishing or hunting...who knows... but it could have an impact. Fishing reports.. hunting comentary..anything would be a welcome addition to what we have now....nothing.

Your other question concerning the promotion through radio vs. internet & TV. I'll answer a question with a question...why not all forms of media. As far as I know Strader has'nt cornered the market. I work for a state owned university... operated by everyones tax dollars. We have a radio station...TV station...newspaper .magazine..websites...even tele-marketing operations ...all outreach far past this community. Were competing for our market share of students with UK..UofL ..all universities in Kentucky and several bordering states. What is the real difference in this vs. what the KDF&WR is doing?? It a business practice..plain & simple to advertise & promote their product.

Their not stopping Strader from publishing his own magazines...producing his own TV show or any other form of media. KDF&WR radio broadcast dates back long before most had tv's across Kentucky ... it was a thread on here the other day possibly dating back to the 40's on their first broadcast. Personally... whoever is ripped at KDF&WR for bringing back something they had ...needs to grow up. If it hurts their business... thats pretty sad and they probably on a downward spiral to begin with. I dont hear Knight & Hale... Extreme Outdoors ... Spirit of the Wild and all others complaining about Ky. Afield TV.

Like those TV shows... if Straders show is good... theres no threat. If its perceived as a threat... he needs to work harder & smarter to make it better and retain his audience. He is soely responsible for his actions... not the KDF&WR.

[Multidigits]

None the less nice attempt again to divert off topic.:p


Nope....the topic is the KYDFWR Radio Program......not your pal Strader. Seems your panties are in a wad and along with BF your about the only one that feels that way.

[AteUp]

So people really think the Dept would start a radio show for the sole purpose of competing with one individual? Ol Jim sure thinks a lot of himself don't he?:rolleyes:

[AteUp]

BTW, I don't listen to Strader and won't listen to the new show either. I hate talk radio.

[redbone]

Nope....the topic is the KYDFWR Radio Program...... Finally on topic... BIG applause http://teachline.ls.huji.ac.il/72682/tutorials/behappy/smiley_applause.png

Seems your panties are in a wad Nice to see a grown man resort to name calling - :cool:

[Multidigits]

. Finally on topic... BIG applause http://teachline.ls.huji.ac.il/72682/tutorials/behappy/smiley_applause.png

Nice to see a grown man resort to name calling - :cool:

"Seems your panties are in a wad" <---- Where's the name???? ;)

[redbone]

If you reread my post....I did'nt specify non-hunters...I stated potential hunters..fisherman...boaters.

Potential as defined by the dictionary capable of being or becoming as in not currently a hunter is why I used the term non-hunter which is the same as being a potential hunter.

Your other question concerning the promotion through radio vs. internet & TV. I'll answer a question with a question...why not all forms of media.

And again I'll ask why the need ?

Their not stopping Strader from publishing his own magazines...producing his own TV show or any other form of media.

Like those TV shows... if Straders show is good... theres no threat.

I've not mentioned Strader in this thread and there's no need for me to - this is my curiosity on how it's funded and why the need... those that don't like Strader aren't going to listen ... I guess no one really knows why and probably never will so no since in continuing on with this thread.

Cheers.
Dan

[redbone]

"Seems your panties are in a wad" <---- Where's the name???? ;)

Ok - you got me, semantically I should have written childish phrases. Better?

[Multidigits]

Potential as defined by the dictionary capable of being or becoming as in not currently a hunter is why I used the term non-hunter which is the same as being a potential hunter.

And again I'll ask why the need ?

I've not mentioned Strader in this thread and there's no need for me to - this is my curiosity on how it's funded and why the need... those that don't like Strader aren't going to listen ... I guess no one really no why and probably never will so no since in continuing on with this thread.

Cheers.
Dan

If you want to know how or why or what if, call your Commissioner and ask or start attending the Committee and Commission meetings.

[Old Oak]

again I'll ask why the need?

KDFWR's Strategic Plan's core values and Vision Statements.

Strategic goals
#3 To foster a more informed and involved public.
#4 To expand and diversify our user base

Reason enough?

[rgb62]

I listen to talk radio quite a bit. Sometimes they talk about things that I know nothing about. Sometimes I even learn something. And, sometimes I put my new knowledge to use.

The biggest difference I see between the magazine and TV show is that folks will be able to call the show and get answers to questions or share their experiences. I don't see how that can be a bad thing. I'm sure they are paying Tim Farmer and the producers of the show the same amount regardless of whether they are doing a TV or radio show, so I don't see how the extra expense could be that much. Certainly not enough to buy property.

[jeffcojoe]

I say kudos to the KDFWR for putting a show on the air. I'm only sorry that being in Louisville, I'll probably never hear it live. I guess I'll have to listen coming home from Grayson, Adair, or Hart counties on Sunday evenings.

Even to 75+ % of Louisville hunters - fishermen Strader comes off as an elitist. The vast majority of hunters in this state still hunt farms of family or friends, public land, or not at all due to no access to suitable areas.

The state is finally really reaching out to sportsmen in the state via radio and trying to gain input from everyone, not just a few with loud voices. The radio show will be one heck of a way to inform the state of problems in certian areas or to ask for help with smaller issues facing the everyday average hunter.

To be honest, hunters don't have to worry about PETA or the HSUS destroying hunting, we are doing a fine job of it ourself with all the various elitist fighting each other over turf wars and season dates.

[buckfever]

You would be hard pressed to find anyone in this region that knows who Strader is (or even cares, for that matter). I'm not saying that as a dig on anyone, just the honest truth. Folks around here aren't overly concerned about some big city power struggle that may be going on or someone from Louisville's take on what ought to be going on. Once again, I'm not saying that to ruffle any feathers.. it's just the truth from this end of the state.

They all know who the KDFWR and Tim Farmer are and a lot of them will probably make this thing part of their weekly activities. To think that this is solely a ploy to show up some local celebrity is extremely narrow minded IMO. Not all things revolve around Louisville, as much as some may like to think that it does.

Quackr - I don't think Strader is a big celebrity - national, local or otherwise. I'd say that most of the hunters/fisherman around here don't know who Strader is and those that do know of him certainly don't think he necessarily speaks on their behalf. He's just a radio show host. The fact remains though that his show can be heard in more than 2/3 of the state.

I don't care that KDFWR wants to sponsor a radio show if the true goals was really altruistic, but, IMO, they're not. I'm not fighting Strader's battles for him, but I'm 100% convinced that the primary impetus behind this radio show was to attack Strader.

If you read through all of the Strategic Plans, Objectives and Goals for KDFWR for 2008, you won't find any that mention a new radio show - none, not a single one. Plans for a new radio show only surfaced after Strader criticized the Dept for not being more pro-active in addressing the EHD outbreak.

As Old Oak points out, KDFWR will claim that the radio show was solely intended to accomplish the goal of "educating and informing" the public, but I personally believe that's a pretext.

If enough legislators believe that the people at KDFWR are improperly using public funds (regardless of the source) to exact retribution against critics of their policies, it wouldn't surprise me if the end result is an effort to overhaul KDFWR in its entirety.

[JDMiller]

I don't care that KDFWR wants to sponsor a radio show if the true goals was really altruistic, but, IMO, they're not. I'm not fighting Strader's battles for him, but I'm 100% convinced that the primary impetus behind this radio show was to attack Strader.


BF.... Not that I really care but just how is this directly attacking Strader??

Theres several local outdoor / hunting / fishing broadcast run across the state. They may not necessarily have the same format but still generate information on fish & wildlife subjects. I guess what I'm getting at...as small as it seems... the KDF&WR Radio broadcast giving a fishing report or lake levels could be considered "competing" with these other broadcast. I dont really see where Strader or anyone else ..can say its being done because of discontent with Strader directly.

As far as KDF&WR misusing funds to have this broadcast.... thats grasping at straws a little. KDF&WR should be using all forms of media to provide information to the public. How are they any different than any other state agency. Even our local health departments(state funded) use taxpayers funds for tv ads...radio broadcast... even billboards going down the highway to provide information to the public. Public school & universities do it... heck even the Department of Building, Housing & Construction uses all forms of media including buying adds in non-state funded trade magazines.

In my opinion its only misuse to duplicate the same form of media. Two tv shows...two magazines ..two websites or two radio broadcast would be inappropriate. As long as there are no duplication of the same forms of media... what is the problem??

[Al]

Buck, if people are going to constantly bash the dept online and on the radio then it is necessary for the dept to have a podium to publicly defend themselves and set the record straight. There is too much opinion being thrown around as fact, and people may start beleiving misinformation if there is not fair and balanced reporting.
As far as them going up against Straders time slot thats called competition.
Farmer is loved across this state, be carefull what you acuse him of. As the face of the dept people will take is word over Straders everytime.

[kison]

I've never listened to Strader and probably never will the new show b/c I rarely listen to the radio. I support the KDFWR and believe they do a great job. I have absolutely no dog in the fight and could care less, but something strikes me in all the back and forth, so here i go...

We know that the KDFWR wants to reach out to hunters and support our hunting culture, right. And Strader, like him or not, is also promoting the outdoors and hunting in a positive fashion. Then why do they need to compete? Wouldn't it be better to have two forums promoting the sport rather than one, even if you may or may not agree with their opinions 100% of the time? Why should we argue among ourselves when we already have enough anti-hunting compaigns to worry about.

Now, given, the KDFWR may not have had a choice in time slot selection, but I can see a benefit of keeping them on different days / times, etc.

Kelly

[buckfever]

Buck, if people are going to constantly bash the dept online and on the radio then it is necessary for the dept to have a podium to publicly defend themselves and set the record straight. There is too much opinion being thrown around as fact, and people may start beleiving misinformation if there is not fair and balanced reporting.
As far as them going up against Straders time slot thats called competition.
Farmer is loved across this state, be carefull what you acuse him of. As the face of the dept people will take is word over Straders everytime.

Al - I haven't accused Farmer of anything. As far as I know, he's a nice enough guy that gets along just fine hosting Ky Afield and doing what most of dream about doing. Heck, I don't even know if he knows Strader personally, but I certainly wouldn't begrudge him for taking advantage of this opportunity that was handed to him.

I think Strader goes over the top in his criticisms against the Dept, but even if he does go overboard, at least his efforts create some accountability. Like I said, I would have no problem whatsoever with this radio show if I believed the primary reason for it was to get more people in the field, but I just don't believe that's the case.

I think this whole concept evolved from some high-ranking person's dislike of Strader. Personally, I think it would be a misuse of funds if the Dept was spending money to "defend themselves." KDFWR is a public agency, and I don't think a plugged nickel should be spent on any kind of PR campaign to spread the word about what a great job they're doing.

I also think it would be an abuse of power if the radio show was being promoted to "compete" with Strader. No public agency should be using PUBLIC funds to wage personal battles against critics.

[Multidigits]

http://fw.ky.gov/newsrelease.asp?nid=304&NavPath=C105C122C674C703


“There’s nothing that can equal it,” noted Kentucky Fish and Wildlife Commissioner Jon Gassett. “This has been discussed back and forth for years and I’m glad to see it coming about. Interaction with the public is irreplaceable. Sportsmen and sportswomen need solid information from those who know and, likewise, we can better manage for wildlife and set regulations when we have quality feedback. I just hope I can be a guest from time to time.”

[JDMiller]

I think this whole concept evolved from some high-ranking person's dislike of Strader. Personally, I think it would be a misuse of funds if the Dept was spending money to "defend themselves." KDFWR is a public agency, and I don't think a plugged nickel should be spent on any kind of PR campaign to spread the word about what a great job they're doing.

I also think it would be an abuse of power if the radio show was being promoted to "compete" with Strader. No public agency should be using PUBLIC funds to wage personal battles against critics.

About three years ago a group of people including yourself were complaining on lack of communication between the department and the sportsmen. There were even LKS resolutions brought forth by those same people concerning commission meeting agendas and such. Now.. the KDF&WR wants to provide a radio broadcast with a call in format to discuss issues concerning sportsmen ..possibly agenda items ...meeting times ..ect..and its being perceived as wrong.

All I can say... that has to be some stout "kool-aid" ya'll are drinking.

As far as state agencies using public funds for a "PR" campaign.... name me a state agency that does'nt spend tax payers money on public relations??? From the state police...public health...education all the way down to the highway department uses all forms of media for public relations. The key with any public agency is communication or no one would know of services offered.

Would topics of discussion such as NASP...hunter education class location & dates.... summer camps..ect be of interest. How about the PLB's and services offered to land owners or progress of projects / improvements to WMA's. This is information that the KDF&WR can provide to listeners that Strader cant.. unless the department gives him that info.

In this case.. its better to get information from the horses mouth instead of the opposite end.

[Multidigits]

About three years ago a group of people including yourself were complaining on lack of communication between the department and the sportsmen. There were even LKS resolutions brought forth by those same people concerning commission meeting agendas and such. Now.. the KDF&WR wants to provide a radio broadcast with a call in format to discuss issues concerning sportsmen ..possibly agenda items ...meeting times ..ect..and its being perceived as wrong.

All I can say... that has to be some stout "kool-aid" ya'll are drinking.

As far as state agencies using public funds for a "PR" campaign.... name me a state agency that does'nt spend tax payers money on public relations??? From the state police...public health...education all the way down to the highway department uses all forms of media for public relations. The key with any public agency is communication or no one would know of services offered.

Would topics of discussion such as NASP...hunter education class location & dates.... summer camps..ect be of interest. How about the PLB's and services offered to land owners or progress of projects / improvements to WMA's. This is information that the KDF&WR can provide to listeners that Strader cant.. unless the department gives him that info.

In this case.. its better to get information from the horses mouth instead of the opposite end.


You got it right. Good post.

[Al]

Al - I haven't accused Farmer of anything.
Not directly but he is the host and I doubt the show will be sucessfull without him. You attacked the motives of the show and I guarantee he and his supporters will take it personally.
Just like if your firm was attacked but not you personally. You cant seperate your firm from yourself. An attack against your firm is an attack against you.
What your suggesting is that Farmer is being used by higher powers to take down Strader.
I think Ill call in to the show and ask Tim that question on the air.

[maxcam]

I dont think that is at all what Buckfever was suggesting......

[buckfever]

Not directly but he is the host and I doubt the show will be sucessfull without him. You attacked the motives of the show and I guarantee he and his supporters will take it personally.
Just like if your firm was attacked but not you personally. You cant seperate your firm from yourself. An attack against your firm is an attack against you.
What your suggesting is that Farmer is being used by higher powers to take down Strader.
I think Ill call in to the show and ask Tim that question on the air.

Al - I don't giving a flying flip what you tell Farmer.

The notion that I have said anything that he could take as a personal attack is absurd. If he takes it as such, send a quarter to somebody that actually cares.

JD - Of course, KDFWR is going to say that this is ALL about educating the public. What else could they possibly say?

It's absolutely ridiculous that they're airing their radio show at the EXACT same time and day as Strader's show. There is no other explanation other than they want to punish Strader.

Kool-Aid??? LMAO. The underlying motivations are so blatantly obvious that you'd have to be an idiot to believe otherwise, but you go ahead and believe what you want to. :mad:

[Old Oak]

Al - I don't giving a flying flip what you tell Farmer.

The notion that I have said anything that he could take as a personal attack is absurd. If he takes it as such, send a quarter to somebody that actually cares.

JD - Of course, KDFWR is going to say that this is ALL about educating the public. What else could they possibly say?

It's absolutely ridiculous that they're airing their radio show at the EXACT same time and day as Strader's show. There is no other explanation other than they want to punish Strader.

Kool-Aid??? LMAO. The underlying motivations are so blatantly obvious that you'd have to be an idiot to believe otherwise, but you go ahead and believe what you want to. :mad:

Why do you think there are underlying motivations? Put your cards on the table.
KY Afield radio starts at 6pm and doesn't Strader start at 630pm?

I think it is great to get a dept run informational radio show out there. Sportsmen can get real life facts from educated authorities in the field rather than one man's opinion. And if I recall just about everyone that gets on the air on w/ Jimbo are some of his croonies that will spew the same uneducated opinion.

No one's twisting your arm and setting your radio dial forcing you to listen.

[Al]

Al - I don't giving a flying flip what you tell Farmer.
No, I didnt say I would TELL him anything. I said I would ASK him about your theory, of his show being a tool to "punish Strader".

Any attempts of reworking of the dept by legislators (as you warned will happen) because of these type of conspirisy theorys, Im sure, could be smoothed over with a little free air time given to a few politicians.

Before the price goes up, you should come up with a little jungle and buy some ad time before the Heavy Hitter does.

[JDMiller]

JD - Of course, KDFWR is going to say that this is ALL about educating the public. What else could they possibly say?

It's absolutely ridiculous that they're airing their radio show at the EXACT same time and day as Strader's show. There is no other explanation other than they want to punish Strader.

Kool-Aid??? LMAO. The underlying motivations are so blatantly obvious that you'd have to be an idiot to believe otherwise, but you go ahead and believe what you want to. :mad:


BF.... I'm LMAO about your whole reply here. So your saying... KDF&WR shouldnt communicate to the public... at least on radio. Based on your comments ... the only function of this show is to compete with Strader and its wrong for public funded entities to compete with private concerning media and program times.

If thats the case.. I need a good lawyer and think I've got a good case. Fox is broadcasting the Martinsville race at the same time all those state funded universities are playing in the NCAA tournament on CBS. Its bound to be misuse of public funds to hold those games at the same time NASCAR is airing the race. Its causing undue mental & physical stress with me having to flip channels. I would like to start sueing with Memphis. :D

[ky_bull]

Did anyone catch Ky Afield last night, that had an old recording from the 40's from the original KY Afield radio show. It was pretty cool.

[swamper]

1) The radio show was needed, and fits in with the goals of the departments strategic plan.
2) As far as using public funds (i.e. sportsmans funds) to put on the show, what better way to communicate with sportsmen than a weekly call in show with the people who know the answers? And given the crunch Gassett has put on each division to be self sufficient, I'd say the radio program will begin paying for itself.
3) As far as being in the same time slot as Strader, that is only a secondary benefit which should help clear up some of the misinformation he likes to provide. If his show is as strong as he claims, he'll have no trouble with his show staying on the air and continuing to spew whatever fits his agenda that week.

[buckdroppings]

I didn't get a chance to listen to the show. How was it? What did you guys think?

[AteUp]

“Callers give the show character,” said Farmer, who hosts both the radio and television shows. “My favorite part of ‘Kentucky Afield’ is talking to people, but that’s not always easy even with the longer call-in shows we do on KET a few times a year. Kentucky is filled with people who love our woods and waters, now we can chat and get to know each other better.”

“There’s nothing that can equal it,” noted Kentucky Fish and Wildlife Commissioner Jon Gassett. “This has been discussed back and forth for years and I’m glad to see it coming about. Interaction with the public is irreplaceable. Sportsmen and sportswomen need solid information from those who know and, likewise, we can better manage for wildlife and set regulations when we have quality feedback. I just hope I can be a guest from time to time.”

I'm thinking maybe they should have scheduled it for immediately after Strader so they could counter his opinions with their facts.:eek:

[Al]

Its a good place for people to complain about their zoning and find out why they are zoned 2 when they think they should be 3.

[twostates]

Have no idea who Strader is but I do remember Ky Afield as a child growing up. They would tell me about the white bass running in the Dix river. I never got to go to the Dix River but I sure dreamed about it as a kid. Hope Carlson had a unique voice, kind of like Cawood Ledford did. He would describe a dove hunt and I could see the feathers fly. How could this show be bad? How could anyone think that they would be competing with Strader. Outdoor channel shows one show after another 24 hours a day. I just hope that one of the mountain stations picks it up so I can tune up.

[rgb62]

. I just hope that one of the mountain stations picks it up so I can tune up.


You can listen to it live or hear a replay anytime by going to myhuntingandfishing.com. Click on the KY Afield link. I just listened to the replay. It was a pretty good show for their first effort.

[raven_over_easy]

Do you know if the show can be downloaded from the web if you miss the broadcast?
anybody got the link?

[buckdroppings]

Thanks for the link. Now I won't have to miss out.