Tell me again how great Republicans are?

[lonesomepine]

I'm a registered republican,have no use for "Huessein" Obama or Hillary Clinton whatsoever,but please keep telling me what a great job the Republicans have done during GWB's tenure? So far I lost huge $ out of my retirement accounts after 911.never made it up since.The great raise the interest rates strategy ran me out of business (I was involved in the Home Building Industry),now Commercial work is grinding to a huge slowdown (Got laid off and having trouble finding a decent paying wage job),biggest # of Job Losses in February in many,many years.My savings were depleted after the business shutdown and forced to work for a big ncompany at half my previous income,now I'm wondering if I'll lose my home and farm,huge losses on my small farm this year thanks to the drought.Gas and Utilities prices are the HIGHEST they have ever been,I think onl;y the upper classes have benefited from the republicans,those in what used to be the middle class are headed down the scale and it's not just my problems,millions are facing the same.We need a change,but not what's being offered by the big political parties.

[johnnypossum]

9/11 was one of the biggest, if not the biggest, tradgedy that has ever happened to the american people. i don't think that we can blame the president for something that he had no control over

[headoftheholler]

I'm a registered republican,have no use for "Huessein" Obama or Hillary Clinton whatsoever,but please keep telling me what a great job the Republicans have done during GWB's tenure? So far I lost huge $ out of my retirement accounts after 911.never made it up since.The great raise the interest rates strategy ran me out of business (I was involved in the Home Building Industry),now Commercial work is grinding to a huge slowdown (Got laid off and having trouble finding a decent paying wage job),biggest # of Job Losses in February in many,many years.My savings were depleted after the business shutdown and forced to work for a big ncompany at half my previous income,now I'm wondering if I'll lose my home and farm,huge losses on my small farm this year thanks to the drought.Gas and Utilities prices are the HIGHEST they have ever been,I think onl;y the upper classes have benefited from the republicans,those in what used to be the middle class are headed down the scale and it's not just my problems,millions are facing the same.We need a change,but not what's being offered by the big political parties.
What did George Bush have to do with 911? What did George bush have to do with the drought?

[yote hunter]

if you will notice the economy didnt start getting bad until the dems took control of the house and senate in nov 2006?im always suspicious of anybody that says im a life long republican but im voteing dem now because??????

[deadaim]

I'm a registered republican,have no use for "Huessein" Obama or Hillary Clinton whatsoever,but please keep telling me what a great job the Republicans have done during GWB's tenure? So far I lost huge $ out of my retirement accounts after 911.never made it up since.The great raise the interest rates strategy ran me out of business (I was involved in the Home Building Industry),now Commercial work is grinding to a huge slowdown (Got laid off and having trouble finding a decent paying wage job),biggest # of Job Losses in February in many,many years.My savings were depleted after the business shutdown and forced to work for a big ncompany at half my previous income,now I'm wondering if I'll lose my home and farm,huge losses on my small farm this year thanks to the drought.Gas and Utilities prices are the HIGHEST they have ever been,I think onl;y the upper classes have benefited from the republicans,those in what used to be the middle class are headed down the scale and it's not just my problems,millions are facing the same.We need a change,but not what's being offered by the big political parties.

I do commercial construction work and we are as busy as Ive ever seen it ? What part of the State are you in and What do you do?

[huntr467]

I'm a registered republican,have no use for "Huessein" Obama or Hillary Clinton whatsoever,but please keep telling me what a great job the Republicans have done during GWB's tenure? So far I lost huge $ out of my retirement accounts after 911.never made it up since.The great raise the interest rates strategy ran me out of business (I was involved in the Home Building Industry),now Commercial work is grinding to a huge slowdown (Got laid off and having trouble finding a decent paying wage job),biggest # of Job Losses in February in many,many years.My savings were depleted after the business shutdown and forced to work for a big ncompany at half my previous income,now I'm wondering if I'll lose my home and farm,huge losses on my small farm this year thanks to the drought.Gas and Utilities prices are the HIGHEST they have ever been,I think onl;y the upper classes have benefited from the republicans,those in what used to be the middle class are headed down the scale and it's not just my problems,millions are facing the same.We need a change,but not what's being offered by the big political parties.
I will have to agree with you. I own my own business as well and know many other small biz owners in different industries. EVERYONE is singing the song. I can't help but think the worst is yet to come. And all those with the blinders on concerning this economy, including GWB who has the balls to stand up there and say we still have a healthy economy, need to get out and see whats really going. I voted for him and felt it was a good decision at the time. Not real sure what to do this time.

And you guys asking what Bush had to do with 911, I don't think he is blaming it GWB on the initial act but maybe the way it has been handled. This war we are involved in surely can't be good for the economy at the rate it is costing us.

[ptbrauch]

So, GWB gave us all a tax cut which put more money into your pocket and that's a negative? What else has he done to affect the economy? Do a little research and I think you'll find that the president--Republican or Democrat--has very little sway on the economy.

You don't think that unscrupulous banks, lending money to people not really qualified to borrow, to buy houses they really couldn't afford, played any part?

[huntr467]

So, GWB gave us all a tax cut which put more money into your pocket and that's a negative? What else has he done to affect the economy? Do a little research and I think you'll find that the president--Republican or Democrat--has very little sway on the economy.

You don't think that unscrupulous banks, lending money to people not really qualified to borrow, to buy houses they really couldn't afford, played any part?

If your gonna jump up their and run this country you better be prepared to deal with the economy. He and his administration are ultimately responsible for the health, wealth and welfare of this country ..thats their job.

[schroader]

Dont you guys realize that everything is GB faught....:rolleyes:

[trust me]

. He and his administration are ultimately responsible for the health, wealth and welfare of this country ..thats their job.

Whew...that is a load off my mind! Here I've been laboring all these years under the false premise that I was responsible for my own health, wealth and welfare. Now that I've learned differently, I think I'll just kick back and relax!

[huntr467]

Whew...that is a load off my mind! Here I've been laboring all these years under the false premise that I was responsible for my own health, wealth and welfare. Now that I've learned differently, I think I'll just kick back and relax!
This is one thing you can count on on this site...people reading things and only seeing the parts they want, not what is actually there. Kinda like most of the problems in this country.
You and I are responsible for our own but if you re-read my post I said they were responsible for the country...if they are not then please feel free to explain to me their exact job descriptions?
fresh off the press more good news..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_bi_ge/bush_economy

[randy grider]

Bill Clinton hadthe opportunity to snuff the rngleader of the terrorist that masterminded 9-11, and he did not do it. Maybe that would not have happened hadClinton done his part.
You sure can't blame hurricanes and droughts on anyone.

[lonesomepine]

Please,somebody quote anywhere that I blamed Bush for 911,a drought,or a friggin hurracaine.Also if you have any reading comprehension at all,I clearly stated I despised Obama and Clinton.Of course let's blow some more smoke to cover up the way things really are out there.Anybody that thinks the controlling party previous to 6 months ago or at any time period has no interest in the way sectors of the economy work (ex: Big Oil and Gas) then you are lying through your teeth,or covering up your affiliations with one party or the other.I consider myself an American first Republican or Democrat only equals the lesser of Two Evils this day and age,because a person who might be the best president,but lacks either of these parties support and millions of $$$ to back him has no chance anymore.Personally 95% of the poloticians running this country should be hung for treason,because they sell us out regularly to foreign interests in order to line their own pockets.While the cost of living has skyrocketed,the Republicans did everything they could to beat down the average mans wages,of course I see no end in sight to the Illegal Immigrant issue,You can cry about tax cuts all you want,problem is they just find another way to suck the life out of you,If I could just earn what i'm capable of without any of these bloodsuckers taking it,I wouldn't need anything from these crooks.

[NonTyp]

I would like to keep all of "mine" too!

[slickhead slayer]

I'm a registered republican,have no use for "Huessein" Obama or Hillary Clinton whatsoever,but please keep telling me what a great job the Republicans have done during GWB's tenure? So far I lost huge $ out of my retirement accounts after 911.never made it up since.The great raise the interest rates strategy ran me out of business (I was involved in the Home Building Industry),now Commercial work is grinding to a huge slowdown (Got laid off and having trouble finding a decent paying wage job),biggest # of Job Losses in February in many,many years.My savings were depleted after the business shutdown and forced to work for a big ncompany at half my previous income,now I'm wondering if I'll lose my home and farm,huge losses on my small farm this year thanks to the drought.Gas and Utilities prices are the HIGHEST they have ever been,I think onl;y the upper classes have benefited from the republicans,those in what used to be the middle class are headed down the scale and it's not just my problems,millions are facing the same.We need a change,but not what's being offered by the big political parties.

1. You lost a huge amount of your retirement account????? What in hellabaloo were you invested in?? The markets have all hit record, alltime highs in the last 8 years while Bush has been in office. Everybody in the market has made huge gains. If you haven't made money in this market, someone is either stealing from you or you have the worlds worst broker.

2. What is the great interest rate strategy?? Interest rates have done nothing been LOWERED, not raises. They are at 40 year lows. Interest rates are lowered so more people will buy homes. The housing market is not hurting because of interest rates. Housing is hurting because you homebuilders have built too many homes. More supply than demand.

3. Its the biggest job loss in 5 years. Mainly because job loss has been so lowe during Bush. Unemplyment is still LOW,LOW,LOW. last I checked it was at 5%. It was 6.9% at one point under Clinton.

4. Middle class have benefitted as much as anyone from the Bush policies. Low int rates, low unemplyment, tax cuts, records in the stock market, tax rebates, etc, etc all benefit the middleclass.

I am sorry to hear your having tough times, but you really need to do some research. You are either misinformed or just totally oblivious to the actual facts.

[huntr467]

Be happy to! Their job description, as is the job description of every publicly elected official, is to do the will of the people. We don't elect them and then sit back and say, "Okay, do whatever you want, but be sure to take care of the 'health, wealth, and welfare' of the country".

While you've not expressly said it, one could infer from your post that you believe that the federal government, specifically the executive branch, is responsible for the 'health, wealth, and welfare' of the USA. You seem to exclude the legislative (controlled by Democrats) and judicial branches. There are currently 28 federal judges nominated by the President, but not yet voted on by the Senate (Democrat controlled), and there hasn't been a hearing since September. As for the economy, there are 7 members of the Board of Governors for the Federal Reserve. Four of those Governorships are empty. The President has made the appointments, but the Senate (Democrat controlled) has refused to act with an up or down vote to confirm and seat them.

But wait, there's more! The following health and safety agencies have numerous openings and can't act because the Senate has refused to allow a vote to confirm Pres. Bush's nominations:

The Federal Mine Safety and Health Review Commission - more vacancies than current members!

Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board - two of five positions waiting for confirmation.

Department of Health and Human Services - six nominees awaiting confirmation.

Seems like the President and his administration is doing their job trying to do the peoples business regarding their "health, wealth, and welfare". What about the Democrat controlled Senate?!?!

Again, the will of the people is not being done. BY THE DEMOCRATS!! They think they know better than you do.

The source for the above information can be found here.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/02/20080207-9.html

The best one though is the Federal Election Commission. It can't act because half of its six members terms expired. Because it takes 4 votes to act on anything, the Federal Election Commission has literally shut down. Why hasn't the newly nominated appointees been voted on in the Democrat controlled Senate????? Barak Hussein Obama and Edward Moore Kennedy have blocked any vote. How funny is that. Obama and his biggest Senate supporter have tag teamed to shut down the very commission that might investigate any election irregularities that may arise during the Dem. primaries.

You just can't make this stuff up.....

Once again my terminology and generalization has hindered my point. I understand there are many other branches of the federal government that have a part in the operation of this country and they were put there for the purpose of checks and balances. Maybe they are doing their job!
You refer to a few appointments that I surely dont think would turn this economy around if they were approved or denied, then or now. I by no means have the insight as to what is really going on in Washington I just know I don't like it. And I can complain because I voted!

[slickhead slayer]

.While the cost of living has skyrocketed,the Republicans did everything they could to beat down the average mans wages,.

Just curious, what have the Republicans done to "beat down the average mans wages"?

[naturalelite]

I know the trucking business is down 34% from what it was two years ago. Meaning people are not buying products at the same rate they were two years ago. People are the reason the economy is in the shape that its in. Get your butts out there an buy stuff. You can't take all the money with you when you die.:D

[lonesomepine]

Just curious, what have the Republicans done to "beat down the average mans wages"?

How many times have they either voted against or vetoed bids to raise minimum wage?How many tax incentives have they given to corporations to pull out of the USA and relocate in sweatshop countries,why is there such a huge trade deficit to a country like China?You guys talk about banks and lenders ,but last time I checked they were Federally Regulated as is the interest rates,sure the interest rates are low now,after the fact,and Thousands if not Millions of people are losing their homes or facing foreclosures.I find it ridiculous that gas prices can shoot up because Chavez in Venezuela cuts a fart and our Govt turns their head as if it's normal.You think folks with money run the stock market or the average joe wage earners who just try to get by and maybe be able to live somehow when they get old?
You keep thinking that the Emporer new suit looks fine,I've been around long enough to see he's naked.

[lonesomepine]

I know the trucking business is down 34% from what it was two years ago. Meaning people are not buying products at the same rate they were two years ago. People are the reason the economy is in the shape that its in. Get your butts out there an buy stuff. You can't take all the money with you when you die.:D
I'd love to go spend money,right now I'll settle for just being able to feed and house my family.

[slickhead slayer]

How many times have they either voted against or vetoed bids to raise minimum wage?How many tax incentives have they given to corporations to pull out of the USA and relocate in sweatshop countries,why is there such a huge trade deficit to a country like China?You guys talk about banks and lenders ,but last time I checked they were Federally Regulated as is the interest rates,sure the interest rates are low now,after the fact,and Thousands if not Millions of people are losing their homes or facing foreclosures.I find it ridiculous that gas prices can shoot up because Chavez in Venezuela cuts a fart and our Govt turns their head as if it's normal.You think folks with money run the stock market or the average joe wage earners who just try to get by and maybe be able to live somehow when they get old?
You keep thinking that the Emporer new suit looks fine,I've been around long enough to see he's naked.

For starters, minimum wage is not the "average working man". The only people who make minimum wage are people who want to, generally highschool kids. and they never lowered it, or voted to lower it. They just voted against the rasing of it because of what it does to small businesses.

They give tax incentives to corporations to move out of the US?:rolleyes: where do you get this stuff?:rolleyes: Good grief.
People are not losing their mortgages because rates were high. They got ARMS (adjustable Rate Mortgages). They could afford the payments when int rates were at the lowest, but defaulted when they went up slightly. Its not any politicians fault, its the people and the lenders.

You just don't what your talking about. Your have alot of misconceptions on the actual facts.

[lonesomepine]

People are not losing their mortgages because rates were high. They got ARMS (adjustable Rate Mortgages). They could afford the payments when int rates were at the lowest, but defaulted when they went up slightly. Its not any politicians fault, its the people and the lenders.

You just don't what your talking about. Your have alot of misconceptions on the actual facts.[/quote]



Funny,I thought rates didn't go up at all,they were at 40 year lows?

http://www.ctj.org/html/runaway.htm

[Multidigits]

I've got a feeling you would have been feeling the same pain no matter who was President.

[mrdux]

It amazes me how many folks here want to blame the government for any problem they encounter and then expect the same government to fix all their ills.

I want the government to start being accountable to the constitution that is the basis on which this country was founded and then get the HELL out of my life. The nanny state that many folks want will lead us to socialism in our lifetimes.

The government was not founded to wipe our azzes or kick our azzes. It was founded to be an enforcer of the guidelines set forth in the constitution and bill of rights. It has no business trying to micromanage us, the economy or the world.

[lonesomepine]

http://littlebrotherforum.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/us-drug-companies-receive-big-tax-breaks-leave-tens-of-thousands-jobless/

http://www.aflcio.org/issues/jobseconomy/jobs/ns03312004a.cfm


Above are links about Outsourcing tax breaks,below are links about the Average Workers Wage

http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/28/news/economy/real_wages/index.htm



And the great job loss
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/07/news/economy/jobs_february/index.htm

[lonesomepine]

I've got a feeling you would have been feeling the same pain no matter who was President.

I don't blame George Bush,my point is I blame what our Govt has become. It's like the old "Wag the dog" trick,one hand shows you one thing,while the other is stealing all they can get out of your wallet,it's a sad day when you have to vote for what candidate will be the Lesser Evil instead of being/doing good for the country.

[Wildcat]

Are we going though "Groundhog Day" again??? It seems like we had another member swearing up and down the board for several months that he was a republican and didn't like Obama or Hillary and when called on it he came out as a democrat pulling for Obama ana Hillary.

Now I'm not saying you are not what you are but we just went though his same thing with a different person and you are not him as far as I can tell so I'll take your word for it that you are who you say you are. But I'll have to ask about this statement.

So far I lost huge $ out of my retirement accounts after 911.never made it up since.The great raise the interest rates strategy ran me out of business (I was involved in the Home Building Industry),

I'll say you must have had to work very hard for that to happen. Anybody could have made money between 2001 and 2008, most people a lot of money in their retirment accounts. The stock market hit new records durning that time.

As for the interest rates that you said ran you out of business you must mean the LOW rates. Between Sept 2001 and Sept 2007 the Prime Rate never hit above 6 3/4 and that was June 29, 2006. The Primne Rate stayed between 3/4 to 6 3/4 all that time.

The last time the Prime Rate was OVER 7 was on Dec 24, 1984.

Maybe I missed something but maybe I don't understand what you met the "great raise the interest rates strategy" ran you out of business when the rates have been some of the lowest in 30+ years.

[bowhunter08]

Maybe I missed something but maybe I don't understand what you met the "great raise the interest rates strategy" ran you out of business when the rates have been some of the lowest in 30+ years.

I think that would be the housing market in general. Its has been a decline for a while, and i don't see it picking up till atleast 4-5years down the road. The housing markets kinda goes through cycles like this. But just not this bad. As far as all the forecloser's on homes is due to people living above their means. You got people that make 40,000 as a couple buying a $150-250,000 home. Then figure in the variable rate, and you have a bunch of sitting ducks. JMO

[Scott7m]

you guys can toot your GWB horns all you want....... tax cuts my hind end......... the dollars arent' wroth nothing.... i have more dollars more dollars wooppeeeeeeeee, you better have a lot more with prices on everything going through the roof

if they don't change monetary policy, and let the economy naturally have a recession from time to time, and quit printing money because of lower interest rates, it will only get worse

the dollar was the most desired currency 10 years ago, now it's not hardly worth enough to wipe your hind end on.......

[CUZZIN]

Scott you speak the truth,well said

[predator]

The great raise the interest rates strategy ran me out of business (I was involved in the Home Building Industry), forced to work for a big ncompany at half my previous income,

lonesomepine, I'm am truely sorry about your string of bad luck, but don't blame the rebublicans, democrats or anyone else.
I'm a homebuilder and yes times are tight. This is the 3rd downturn I've experienced in the past 25 years, this business is feast or famine. Let's see, the great raise in interest rates you talk about is nothing compare to the early to mid-eighties when the prime hit 21%. Heck, anything under 10% is a bargain to me!!
What about the S & L crisis in the early 90s? You talking about tighten lending practices, right now is nothing compared to then.
Hang in there, apparently you made some big money and maybe should have been a little more conservative in you spending habits, the market will come back, trust me. Next time you will be ready.
BTW-My custom business still has a 90-120 day backlog, but I still have a few hundred thousand dollars of spec houses that I need to sell. In 12 to 18 months I might be joining you:eek:, but I still have plan B,C,D,E and F to go through.

[Wildcat]

you guys can toot your GWB horns all you want....... tax cuts my hind end......... the dollars arent' wroth nothing.... i have more dollars more dollars wooppeeeeeeeee, you better have a lot more with prices on everything going through the roof

if they don't change monetary policy, and let the economy naturally have a recession from time to time, and quit printing money because of lower interest rates, it will only get worse

the dollar was the most desired currency 10 years ago, now it's not hardly worth enough to wipe your hind end on.......

You have been talking about "printing money" for a while now.
Who is printing money??

I really don't think you are talking about the Beureau of Engraving and Printing but more likely the Federal Reserve, the one that sets interest rates. Right?

The Federal Reserve has control over monetary policy.

If so the White House does not have any control over them, the President cannot order them to do anything.

Congress has little but has far more control over the monetary policy than the President does. Who is in control of Congress and why haven't they done anything in the last 14 months??


http://woodrow.mpls.frb.fed.us/info/policy/

[Wildcat]

I think that would be the housing market in general. Its has been a decline for a while, and i don't see it picking up till atleast 4-5years down the road. The housing markets kinda goes through cycles like this. But just not this bad. As far as all the forecloser's on homes is due to people living above their means. You got people that make 40,000 as a couple buying a $150-250,000 home. Then figure in the variable rate, and you have a bunch of sitting ducks. JMO

Maybe I thought it happened to him earlier than the sub-prime mess but maybe not.


The housing mess was NOT caused by the economy at all nor was it caused by the govt, no sir. It was bankers, loan officers and others leading people money BELOW the prime rate (sub-prime), the prime rate is what banks charge their BEST customers. These people got their loans BELOW that and KNEW UP FRONT that they would have to pay a higher rate once the rates went up. Those bankers also KNEW that these people would NEVER BE ABLE TO AFORD the higher payments, they had their CREIDT RECORDS on their desk in front of them when they made the loans. The bankers didn't care, all they wanted was their commission and it would not hurt their small local banks since they would sell the loan to a off shore loan company.

[Scott7m]

You have been talking about "printing money" for a while now.
Who is printing money??

I really don't think you are talking about the Beureau of Engraving and Printing but more likely the Federal Reservice, the one that sets interest rates. Right?

If so the White House does not have any control over them, the President cannot order them to do anything.

Congress has far more control over the monetary policy than the President does. Who is in control of Congress and why haven't they done anything in the last 14 months??

It's like this...... the government don't want to have a recession on a their watch, so if they can drop interest rates, and encourage people to borrow from banks and banks then in turn borrow, money has to be printed. then you have more dollars to only float an economy along...

they have to change monetary policy, i don't care who's fault it is, bush sure hasn't done nothing about it or even acknowledge it.....

you all need to go listen to Ron Paul on youtube about this stuff, he can explain it a lot better than me....

[randy grider]

It amazes me how many folks here want to blame the government for any problem they encounter and then expect the same government to fix all their ills.

I want the government to start being accountable to the constitution that is the basis on which this country was founded and then get the HELL out of my life. The nanny state that many folks want will lead us to socialism in our lifetimes.

The government was not founded to wipe our azzes or kick our azzes. It was founded to be an enforcer of the guidelines set forth in the constitution and bill of rights. It has no business trying to micromanage us, the economy or the world.

AMEN !!! Lots of folks seem to think the government is here to take care of us, its here to protect us from foreign threats,enforce the laws,maintain roads..., etc. not give us health care,monthly checks, free rides.., but that is what its become, and guess what, it takes tax revenues to do that.
If we could cut the freeloaders we'd pay alot less taxes, things would be better.
This "high tax government takes care of you" crap pisses me to know end.
I can manage my own money, and do good. All these mortgaged homes being lost is mostly due to everyones attitude these days to live on credit. Trying to borrow you're way to prosperity will not work, but millions think no other way. The average American family credit card debt is something like $10,000, thats for junk like clothes,trips,entertainment, cell phones.
People have a different concept of neccessity these days, I can see it in my grown children. Food,shelter,reliable transportation are neccessities.
They translate that into dining out, large expensive homes with swimming pools and hottubs, and $40,000 SUV's.

[Multidigits]

you guys can toot your GWB horns all you want....... tax cuts my hind end......... the dollars arent' wroth nothing.... i have more dollars more dollars wooppeeeeeeeee, you better have a lot more with prices on everything going through the roof

if they don't change monetary policy, and let the economy naturally have a recession from time to time, and quit printing money because of lower interest rates, it will only get worse

the dollar was the most desired currency 10 years ago, now it's not hardly worth enough to wipe your hind end on.......


Send me all the dollars you don't want and I'll send you a roll of Charmine for them. Wouldn't want you to get a rash.

[drakeshooter]

It amazes me how many folks here want to blame the government for any problem they encounter and then expect the same government to fix all their ills.

I want the government to start being accountable to the constitution that is the basis on which this country was founded and then get the HELL out of my life. The nanny state that many folks want will lead us to socialism in our lifetimes.

The government was not founded to wipe our azzes or kick our azzes. It was founded to be an enforcer of the guidelines set forth in the constitution and bill of rights. It has no business trying to micromanage us, the economy or the world.

Man that was an awesome post. I'm afraid that no matter which candidate -- Dem or McCain -- is elected they will continue to micromanage the economy and for that matter our personal lives. The Libertarians (and a Republican candidate named Ron Paul) feel the same way Mr. Dux. Nobody is listening however because in the end they want to be micromanaged and taken care of by the "nanny state." Well said man.

[turkeytalker]

they have to change monetary policy, i don't care who's fault it is, bush sure hasn't done nothing about it or even acknowledge it.....



Scott i really think you're missing Ron Pauls point TOTALLY.

What would you expect President Bush or Ron Paul to do in this situation?

[BadDuck]

Thousands if not Millions of people are losing their homes or facing foreclosures.

You havent a clue what is going on around you. People are losing their homes because of their own irresponibility. Nothing more. Dont buy a 200K plus house and 2 new vehicles and stretch your income as far as you can and expect nothing to happen. All these yahoos that got the A.R.M.'s have noone to blame but themselves.

Get a clue!

[lonesomepine]

You havent a clue what is going on around you. People are losing their homes because of their own irresponibility. Nothing more. Dont buy a 200K plus house and 2 new vehicles and stretch your income as far as you can and expect nothing to happen. All these yahoos that got the A.R.M.'s have noone to blame but themselves.

Get a clue!


Oh,I'd say I have more of a clue than you think,it's easy to be a "badduck" on the internet though,ain't it?

[lonesomepine]

More I think about it,the attitude of some of the posters in this thread crack me up.I'm a registered Republican sure enough,I agree with most of their ideas and values,but I have news for all of you,last time I checked it was still a free country and I have the right to vote for whomever I choose,I darn well intend to do just that too,problem is I don't see anybody worth voting at all in this election.With those nasty attitudes I'm sure you'll win alot of voters over though.

[randy grider]

More I think about it,the attitude of some of the posters in this thread crack me up.I'm a registered Republican sure enough,I agree with most of their ideas and values,but I have news for all of you,last time I checked it was still a free country and I have the right to vote for whomever I choose,I darn well intend to do just that too,problem is I don't see anybody worth voting at all in this election.With those nasty attitudes I'm sure you'll win alot of voters over though.

I think its funny they way everyone slams McCaine, but never give a reason. What has he done, or not done to deserve this bad rep?
Is it because he's a republican? old?
I'd like to hear one outrageous unforgiveable act he's committed.

[lonesomepine]

I think its funny they way everyone slams McCaine, but never give a reason. What has he done, or not done to deserve this bad rep?
Is it because he's a republican? old?
I'd like to hear one outrageous unforgiveable act he's committed.


I used to think highly of McCain until the past year or so,especially after he buddied up to Teddy Kennedy.

[mgpatty]

You havent a clue what is going on around you. People are losing their homes because of their own irresponibility. Nothing more. Dont buy a 200K plus house and 2 new vehicles and stretch your income as far as you can and expect nothing to happen. All these yahoos that got the A.R.M.'s have noone to blame but themselves.

Get a clue!

+1...People are quick to blame the economy, but they fail to do a realty check of their own financial well being. It's ok to have nice vehicles and a nice home, but you must be able realize what you can and can't afford.

[BadDuck]

Oh,I'd say I have more of a clue than you think,it's easy to be a "badduck" on the internet though,ain't it?

Buddy, you were the one that came on here crying about your financial situation. I dont have to be a Badduck on the internet, I am not crying about my situation. For one I am not losing my house or my business because of my own irresponsibility nor would I have anyone to blame but myself if I get myself in over my head.

Your attitude is the typical democrat blame everyone for my problems but me. While having no personal accountability for your own actions. Always wanting someone else to fix your problems.

More I think about it,the attitude of some of the posters in this thread crack me up.I'm a registered Republican sure enough,I agree with most of their ideas and values,but I have news for all of you,last time I checked it was still a free country and I have the right to vote for whomever I choose,I darn well intend to do just that too,problem is I don't see anybody worth voting at all in this election.With those nasty attitudes I'm sure you'll win alot of voters over though.


It seems more than ironic that a majority of the members that have replied to this thread have disagreed with you and have openly said so. Now you are crying as if a bully is trying to make you vote a certian way. Too bad you have been coddled so much that blunt honesty is confused with nastiness. Maybe we all should join the ranks of the liberal dems and be more sensitive and politically correct. So as not to hurt your feelings.

My, I bet its easy to be a "lonesome pine" with all of your crying!

[lonesomepine]

Buddy, you were the one that came on here crying about your financial situation. I dont have to be a Badduck on the internet, I am not crying about my situation. For one I am not losing my house or my business because of my own irresponsibility nor would I have anyone to blame but myself if I get myself in over my head.

Your attitude is the typical democrat blame everyone for my problems but me. While having no personal accountability for your own actions. Always wanting someone else to fix your problems.



It seems more than ironic that a majority of the members that have replied to this thread have disagreed with you and have openly said so. Now you are crying as if a bully is trying to make you vote a certian way. Too bad you have been coddled so much that blunt honesty is confused with nastiness. Maybe we all should join the ranks of the liberal dems and be more sensitive and politically correct. So as not to hurt your feelings.

My, I bet its easy to be a "lonesome pine" with all of your crying!
Pretty hard to be "financially" responsible when some certain group of politicians has sucked every $$$ they can squeeze out of you,Highest Utility Rates EVER,Highest Gas Prices EVER,lowest wages compared to inflation EVER.Yep,it was all my fault.

[BadDuck]

Pretty hard to be "financially" responsible when some certain group of politicians has sucked every $$$ they can squeeze out of you,Highest Utility Rates EVER,Highest Gas Prices EVER,lowest wages compared to inflation EVER.Yep,it was all my fault.

Did your wages decrease. Probably not. So yes, it is your fault. If you cant manage your money or plan your finances any better than hoping the rates dont go up then you have noone to blame but yourself.

Of course you think the gas prices are a direct link to the president. I for one dont like paying $75.00 everytime I fill up my truck and wish there could be something done about it. BUT, please explain to me how a free enterprise market is driven by the president. Supply and Demand einstein. China is sucking up a huge amount of oil as they are having alot of industrial growth. Add to that the Monomers and chemicals the sweet oil go into, and you have a tremendous demand for oil. If there is anyone to blame it would be the speculators and commodities traders. But you wont except that because you need someone to blame for all your woes.

Please show me where the any political party handles the wages of any company? Lowest wages compared to inflation. HELLO! You arent really serious here are you? I guess the answer would be for you to find a company that gives better raises and get a job with them.

The more you type the more you are proving your lack of education for the subject at hand.

By all means, cast your vote for Hillary or Obama, and cross your fingers. Maybe Obama will bring you the change your hoping for. HAHA! So when a dem is in office and your finance still suck, who will you blame then?

[mudhole crossing]

Just who is responsible for high gas prices and a bad economy?

[hannibal]

walmart is

[turkeytalker]

Just who is responsible for high gas prices and a bad economy?


World markets,plus it doesn't help that so many are preaching energy independence.If you were selling something and the buyer kept promising to take his money elsewhere would you make all you could while you could?

The economy can be blamed on the news media and quite frankly the frontrunners of the democrat party trashing it everytime they get a chance.

85% of all sub-prime loans are being honored,IMO the other 15% probaly should have paid attention.

[BadDuck]

It is a sad fact but there are people in this country that are unwilling to accept responsibilty for themselves.

[lonesomepine]

It is a sad fact but there are people in this country that are unwilling to accept responsibilty for themselves.


Gee,didn't I say let me keep what I can make without paying it out to every Govt agency there is from local up to Feds and I'd be just fine.
I just find it funny that all these things skyrocketed during Bush's term,of course no politician would ever have any interest in a personal money pocketing scheme would they?I'm sure George has no interest in Big Oil,or that folks probably like you are benefiting at the loss of less fortunates.

[slickhead slayer]

Gee,didn't I say let me keep what I can make without paying it out to every Govt agency there is from local up to Feds and I'd be just fine.
I just find it funny that all these things skyrocketed during Bush's term,of course no politician would ever have any interest in a personal money pocketing scheme would they?I'm sure George has no interest in Big Oil,or that folks probably like you are benefiting at the loss of less fortunates.

I am not going to keep arguing with you. But all the economic indicators have shown a strong economy for the last 7 years. Fourty year lows in Int rates, all-time highs in the stock market, home ownership at all-time highs, unemployment at historic lows, etc, etc.
And to correct you, utility rates are not that out of whack. And while gas is up, you failed to mention things that were down. Peoples mortgage payment is no doubt everyones largest expense. And with low int rates, and most refinancing, most Americans are paying much less on their mortgages, car loans, etc. And for most, that savings is alot more than what increase they are paying in gas.
You seem to have an agenda.

[BadDuck]

Gee,didn't I say let me keep what I can make without paying it out to every Govt agency there is from local up to Feds and I'd be just fine.
I just find it funny that all these things skyrocketed during Bush's term,of course no politician would ever have any interest in a personal money pocketing scheme would they?I'm sure George has no interest in Big Oil,or that folks probably like you are benefiting at the loss of less fortunates.


http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/showpost.php?p=562168&postcount=57

How exactly would I benefit from someone less fortunate? I got a idea, take some of this money you are losing in your 401k that your whining about and invest in one of the oil companies.

I dont think you could see beyond the end of your nose if you had to!

[Feedman]

Wasn't is 6 to 9 months ago, that they wanted to slow the economy down. Seems that I remember them talking about it on the radio. We are going to have a recesssion. The Democrats want one and the news media also. Remember before Bill Clinton was elected how they touted "The worst economy in 50 yrs." After he was elected and the final figures came out the econony had actually grown in the third and fourth quarter of that last yr of Bush senior.
Beshear said he was not going to raise taxes. Just shows you that they will say one thing and then do something else after they are elected.