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turkeytalker
03-06-2008, 11:10 PM
Looks like Beshear is building his constituency to me.


http://www.newsenterpriseonline.com/articles/2008/03/05/news/news04.txt


News

Beshear makes restoring felon voting rights easier


Tuesday, March 4, 2008 8:23 PM CST

Advocates talk of more to come

By BOB WHITE
FRANKFORT — By removing several hurdles a convicted felon must cross before his or her right to vote is restored, Gov. Steve Beshear simplified the process Tuesday with an executive order. Effective immediately, felons who have fulfilled their sentences no longer must pay a fee, write an essay, solicit recommendations or have multiple prosecutors notified before their voting rights are returned.

Beshear described former Gov. Ernie Fletcher’s previous application process as “unwieldy and time-consuming.”

“It essentially discourages or defeats inmates’ efforts to restore that right,” Beshear said.

With Beshear’s simplified process, a felon fills out a single application available through Kentucky’s Department of Corrections. That application is sent to the governor’s office after input from a prosecutor.

The governor decides whether to restore the felon’s voting rights.

“It’s important for people to realize there still is a thumbs-up, thumbs-down decision to be made,” said Stan Holmes, vice president of Kentucky’s Black Caucus of Local Elected Officials and a Radcliff city councilman.

Holmes and other voting rights advocates applauded Beshear’s simplification of the procedure.

Teena Halbig, president of League of Women Voters of Kentucky, said the previously mandated essay procedure deterred felons from applying for voting rights.

Eighty-three percent of felons who had applied for restored rights were found to be incapable of composing the essay Fletcher desired, she said.

The three recommendations mandated under the previous policy also placed a burden on felons wanting to vote.

“It was difficult for them to ask,” Halbig said. “People may not want to tell their coworkers or anyone of a felony conviction.”

Others echoed Halbig’s statement with harsher words.

Bill Sheckles, 2006 KBC-LEO president and a Bardstown city councilman, said Fletcher’s procedure disenfranchised many young black men and removed a whole section of the population wanting to vote.

“It was a culture policy to keep certain people in certain places,” Sheckles said.

The KBC-LEO is a proponent of complete and automatic restoration of rights for one-time offenders of nonviolent, non-sex-oriented crimes.

Holmes said the simplification of restoring rights was “a step in the right direction” for his group’s cause.

Halbig agreed, calling Beshear’s action a “chipping away” and a “shining light.”

Beshear’s action applies to all classes of felons.

During the press conference where Beshear announced his executive order, reporters peppered him with questions about pending legislation relating to automated restoration of voting rights.

House Bill 70, proposing automatic restoration of voting rights for felons who have fulfilled their sentences, has seen numerous amendments since it was proposed. Many of those amendments restrict what class of felons would have voting rights automatically restored.

Halbig, who was present during the conference, said Beshear was warm to the idea behind HB 70.

Along with his announcement on the simplified process, Beshear spoke about his desire for a review of Kentucky’s penal code. The goal of the review would be 2009 legislation addressing the state’s exploding inmate population and to “bring some sense into this system,” he said.

In 2007, Kentucky’s inmate population increased at a higher rate than any other state.

Department of Public Advocacy Executive Adviser Dawn Jenkins said a cultural change is needed before the inmate population can decrease.

Kentuckians need to change their opinions on what it means to be a felon, Jenkins said.

KBC-LEO leaders agreed.

Since felons in Kentucky are limited where they can work, their ability to vote, their eligibility for public housing and what professional licenses they may possess, Holmes said one-time criminals are oppressed for a lifetime.

“People are suffering. This gives them reason to go back to their old ways,” Holmes said. “But if someone has paid their dues, shouldn’t we allow them to integrate back into society?”

Raw data from the Administrative Office of the Courts reflects that more than 178,000 felons are one-time offenders.

Halbig said no less than 129,000 of those could soon have the right to vote because of Beshear’s simplification of the procedure to have their voting rights restored.

“We’re exhilarated with the governor’s changes,” she said. “I’ve had felons call me and tell me they cry on Election Day because they feel un-American. These people are Americans.”

maxcam
03-06-2008, 11:25 PM
IMO if you are too dumb and lazy to compose an essay you are too dumb and lazy to vote!

AteUp
03-06-2008, 11:27 PM
IMO if you are too dumb and lazy to compose an essay you are too dumb and lazy to vote!

I'm guessing the democrats have a vested interest in making it easier for felons to vote.

chucky
03-06-2008, 11:27 PM
Most felons don't have time to vote with their busy schedule.

killinmammals
03-06-2008, 11:33 PM
I'm guessing the democrats have a vested interest in making it easier for felons to vote.
What...why would a democrat do something like that!!??:rolleyes:

raktrakr
03-07-2008, 12:49 AM
If you're not allowed to own a gun, you shouldnt be allowed to vote :D

AteUp
03-07-2008, 02:51 AM
If you're not allowed to own a gun, you shouldnt be allowed to vote :D

According to the Dems, they'll take the vote regardless if'n they know right from wrong. Kind of applies to the voting process too don't it? Maybe why they did away with their rights to begin with?

turkeytalker
03-07-2008, 03:35 AM
According to the Dems, they'll take the vote regardless if'n they know right from wrong. Kind of applies to the voting process too don't it? Maybe why they did away with their rights to begin with?


Kentucky ConstitutionSection 145 Persons entitled to vote.

Every citizen of the United States of the age of eighteen years who has resided in the state one year, and in the county six months, and the precinct in which he offers to vote sixty days next preceding the election, shall be a voter in said precinct and not elsewhere but the following persons are excepted and shall not have the right to vote.
1. Persons convicted in any court of competent jurisdiction of treason, or felony, or bribery in an election, or of such high misdemeanor as the General Assembly may declare shall operate as an exclusion from the right of suffrage, but persons hereby excluded may be restored to their civil rights by executive pardon.
2. Persons who, at the time of the election, are in confinement under the judgment of a court for some penal offense.
3. Idiots and insane persons.

turkeytalker
03-07-2008, 03:36 AM
3. Idiots and insane persons.


Pretty sure this will be next on the Democrats list:rolleyes:.

thunderchicken09
03-07-2008, 09:31 AM
Does this mean should we let people in prison vote?

raktrakr
03-07-2008, 11:43 AM
Does this mean should we let people in prison vote?I dont think so,only those released with a felony on thier record. But then again arent those incarcerated the very ones the Dems cater too:eek:

lonesomepine
03-07-2008, 12:04 PM
If a man makes a mistake,pays for it by serving his time or what other punishment is placed upon him by a court of law,then why shouldn't he get his rights back? I have no problem with one time offenders,not including child molesters and the like.Anyone of us could make a mistake,should you suffer your whole life for something?

I'm a registered republican for the record.

ptbrauch
03-07-2008, 12:23 PM
If a man makes a mistake,pays for it by serving his time or what other punishment is placed upon him by a court of law,then why shouldn't he get his rights back? I have no problem with one time offenders,not including child molesters and the like.Anyone of us could make a mistake,should you suffer your whole life for something?

I'm a registered republican for the record.

I believe that lifetime loss of voting rights would fall under "other punishment placed upon him by a court of law".

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that this shouldn't even be a discussion. It all goes back to "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime". It's not a big secret that you'll lose your voting rights if you commit a felony. If you're a felon and wanted to vote, you should've thought about that before you committed your crime. You won't find much sympathy here on this issue.

lonesomepine
03-07-2008, 12:27 PM
I believe that lifetime loss of voting rights would fall under "other punishment placed upon him by a court of law".

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that this shouldn't even be a discussion. It all goes back to "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime". It's not a big secret that you'll lose your voting rights if you commit a felony. If you're a felon and wanted to vote, you should've thought about that before you committed your crime. You won't find much sympathy here on this issue.
Well,it's great to know that "you on here" are all perfect.
Judge not lest YOU be judged.

kycooner
03-07-2008, 12:41 PM
I believe it should be on what class felony it was,,class d and c yes,,a and b no.
most c and d are alcohol,drug or child support,,we all know alcoholism and drug addiction is a sickness,,and yes thier are deadbeat dads,,but a lot get behind due too our current economy,,making felons out of good people,,thier are many here have drove after having 2 beers,but if someone hits you(thier fault) and someone in thier or your car dies,,because you had been drinking, you just commited vehicular manslaughter.
The article also says a commenwealth attorney will have too evaluate ,each applicants request,,he should know if this person is now a productive member of society or not.

lonesomepine
03-07-2008, 12:53 PM
I don't know if it's still that way,but for as long as I can remember,convicted felons upon completion of their sentences only had to apply to the governors office to get all their rights back anyway (excluding gun rights).Don't see what the big deal is?

yote hunter
03-07-2008, 01:52 PM
If a man makes a mistake,pays for it by serving his time or what other punishment is placed upon him by a court of law,then why shouldn't he get his rights back? I have no problem with one time offenders,not including child molesters and the like.Anyone of us could make a mistake,should you suffer your whole life for something?

I'm a registered republican for the record.

heres where your confused.dialing the wrong phone number is a mistake,bad answer on your math test is a mistake,buying the wrong size airfilter for your furnace is a mistake.selling drugs ,stealing cars,and burglelizing a buisness are not mistakes.

redneck1377
03-07-2008, 02:02 PM
my dictionary define a FELON as someone that commit a major crime, if the crime were an accident then maybe they should have their voting rights restore but not if the crime were plan out in advance

bowhunter08
03-07-2008, 03:10 PM
Most felons don't have time to vote with their busy schedule.

Yup, with stealing cars and all.:D

On a more serious note, they should not be allowed to vote. They did they crime and need to live with the punishments that came with it.

MAYBEJUSTMAYBE
03-07-2008, 03:32 PM
i'm new here but i've been around for a while.let me tell you a story about a friend of mine. he was accussed of raping a 14 yr old girl,after a few days in jail,about 18 months of court dates and almost 15k in lawyer bills the girl and her mother admitted in court that nothing happened they just thought he'd pay them off.since they were 3rd and 4th generation welfare recipients the state said there was nothing they could or would to to them so it was dropped.later he caught them out and beat part of his expences back out of them.i know it was the wrong thing to do,BUT,dont you think he could have been the victem here?he was charged with criminal abuse,a class b felony.

drakeshooter
03-07-2008, 03:34 PM
I made a ton of mistakes at 18 years of age and yes in some instances it is a mistake. I'd sure hate to be held accountable now at age 39 for everything I did 21 years ago. I don't think it should be a blanket deal and yes it should be hard, like what Fletcher had in mind, but I still think that once the time and probation has been completed you should have a chance at redemption. However, as I said, it should be tough and it should be selective.

yote hunter
03-07-2008, 03:48 PM
i'm new here but i've been around for a while.let me tell you a story about a friend of mine. he was accussed of raping a 14 yr old girl,after a few days in jail,about 18 months of court dates and almost 15k in lawyer bills the girl and her mother admitted in court that nothing happened they just thought he'd pay them off.since they were 3rd and 4th generation welfare recipients the state said there was nothing they could or would to to them so it was dropped.later he caught them out and beat part of his expences back out of them.i know it was the wrong thing to do,BUT,dont you think he could have been the victem here?he was charged with criminal abuse,a class b felony.

he should have had one of his buddies do it.

slickhead slayer
03-07-2008, 05:06 PM
I am just glad it was the very first piece of legislation that our esteemed Gov felt the need to put in place. Did this really need to be the first order of business?:rolleyes:

reivertom
03-07-2008, 05:09 PM
I'm ashamed of this bum already. I can't even stand to hear him talk.

grousebuster
03-07-2008, 06:29 PM
I'm guessing the democrats have a vested interest in making it easier for felons to vote.

I was thinking the same thing!

Clint Daniels
03-07-2008, 07:03 PM
Just look back at Florida in 04' . It is estimated that 75% of the illegal votes were convicted felons that were registered dems and voted for Gore. I'd say they have a vested interest in restoring felons votes. Voting is a privilege not a right. Though it is our duty to vote, if your to stupid do keep your act clean then that's your problem. Yes I agree that their have been some unfortunate people that made a bad choice and must suffer the consequences now, but for the most part these are not good people. There has to be consequences for your actions.

ril7572
03-07-2008, 07:09 PM
I made a ton of mistakes at 18 years of age and yes in some instances it is a mistake. I'd sure hate to be held accountable now at age 39 for everything I did 21 years ago. I don't think it should be a blanket deal and yes it should be hard, like what Fletcher had in mind, but I still think that once the time and probation has been completed you should have a chance at redemption. However, as I said, it should be tough and it should be selective.

I agree. When the debt to society is paid, they should be able to vote. Everyone makes mistakes.

That being said, you have to wonder how many would make the effort to vote if given the opportunity:rolleyes:

bowhunter08
03-07-2008, 07:16 PM
I'm ashamed of this bum already. I can't even stand to hear him talk.

When i hear him talk , somebody might as well be running their finger nail down a chalk board. Just can't stand the guy.

lonesomepine
03-07-2008, 10:19 PM
Everybody I hear from dislikes Beshear,I sure didn't vote for him,how in the world did he get elected?

Better hope the same thing doesn't happen in the presidential election.

Feedman
03-08-2008, 09:51 AM
[quote=lonesomepine;561498

Better hope the same thing doesn't happen in the presidential election.[/quote]

This is exactly what will happen in the presidential election. Say one thing, do another only on a larger scale.
They can always blame it on Bush.:mad: