Crossbows for turkey

[Multidigits]

I don't have any additional information, but notice that this will be talked about at Friday's Commission meeting. Any comments?

[INKYHUNTER]

If it is to be used during the spring hunt or fall gun season I may not object. However if it is to be used during fall archery season I object big time. I wonder how many cross bow hunters their are out there. However on second thought I don't think I want a bolt in my a** during any season. I doubt their are enough cross bow hunters to warrant a season.

[Xtreme]

I'll have to agree Inkyhunter. I've helped out in an outdoor sports shop part time for years and my dealings with crossbows are not fond memories. Most of them are a platform to shoot an arrow that flies like a boomerang and cause most hunters to think they have a close range gun.

If they want to allow the use of them during the turkey gun season that's fine. We don't need them in the archery season by no means.
I'll see if I can find out the specifics.
My 2 cents.

[grouseguy]

Personally, I would prefer to see KY's definition of archery resemble Ohio's, where legal archery equipment is defined as longbows, compound bows or cross bows. Therefore, if it's archery season for whatever species, then cross bows would be as legal as more traditional forms of bow hunting. If the Dept is trying to increase the deer harvest, why not allow the use of cross bows for deer during the whole archery season (just like OHIO), and if you allow it for deer, why not turkey?

[Ky Headhunter]

grouseguy, KBA & UBK will both fight that idea tooth & nail. Actually, they already have.

I have no problem with crossbows being a legal weapon during any firearms season, along with a separate season of it's own. Nor do I have a beef with anyone who chooses the crossbow as a weapon, provided they do not act like it's no different than a "vertical" bow. That being said, the words "crossbow" & "archery" really don't go together. The skills they require for proficiency are quite different.

As for crossbows & turkeys... for spring & fall shotgun seasons, no problem. Even a separate fall season (like they have for deer) would be OK with me. But not for the length of the fall archery season.





Edited by - Ky Headhunter on 08/20/2002 2:03:04 PM

[grouseguy]

An honest question?...What do the bowhunters have against crossbows being used during regular archery season?

Granted, I've not bow hunted for several years, and I feel that the folks who participate in a certain sport, should have a greater say in regulations affecting that sport. Honestly, I don't see the difference (other than the obvious mechanical differences), as far as the game is concerned, in using a crossbow rather than a compound bow, but I'm willing to be educated and open minded.

[Multidigits]

Grouseguy--The reason that most "bow only" groups are against the cross bow is that they think it might lead to shorter seasons for themselves, because they believe that croassbows are a more effiencient weapon. With the Dept. wanting more deer killed, it hard to imagine how they are not allowed in a longer season. One reason for that is Roy Grime's doesn't want them more widely used. The management aspect is taken off the table.

Now, I don't believe they should be allowed during the archeryonly season UNLESS they are accepted as a legal weapon for deer then too.
I wouldn't have a problem allowing them to be used during any gun season.

[taggedout]

I think they have thier place, for people who may have difficulty shooting a verticle bow or see it as a midevil type challange. As far as efficiency no way, by nature it is not nearly as efficient. The shorter thus lighter bolts are incapable of storeing the energy that a 26-32" arrow does and this makes for poor flight characteristics. The energy required for a good clean kill is lost befor the shorter bolt ever achieves stability and true flight. Thus it is inadequat at any distance over about 20yrds and even then it is wasting energy slaping the animal instead of hitting it in one clean killing straight line, (it does not hit its target in true flight to make it a truely efficient killing machine). We try to make up for this difference w/weight but then spline is lost and compromise is the result.
I think people are decieved by the draw weight of the crossbow, but that is still part of the comprimise. It has no buisness being lumped into archery.

Grummybear

[Highbow]

Guys, I and UBK are totally against the use of crossbows, they are not more effiecent. If you don't have the facts on crossbows then you really need to check out the facts. I don't want a kid turned lose in the hill with a crossbow to shoot anyway he hears a noise. It holds a bolt at full draw and has a trigger and usually a scope. Firearm.

[Multidigits]

To argue that many guys over estimate the atributes of the crossbow would be fairly accurate. But to argue that a crossbow is not deadly or as deadly as a recurve or compund just doesn't hold water. They can be more than adequete for deer and turkeys, especially the newer breeds of these weapons. And a weapon it is, dating back to the medievil times, when many "archers" stake their lives on them. They were "a weapon of choice" over the long bow.

Most of the newer Crossbows shoot a bolt of at least 20". With aluminum, these can easily weigh what a graphite arrow might weigh. With expandable broadheads, acuratacy is very good, and will make a good choice for deer or turkey size game at reasonable distances.

True, though, that they are not "archery" in the same sense as a compound bow. But do they have a place in the hunting of tomorrow, I think we'll see that they do. Have you noticed the major companies that are marketing crossbows? Don't think that eventually the money won't talk.

My stance on the issue at hand is to NOT allow them in the regular archery season, only because I believe it would add to the number of turkeys killed, and I believe that number is high enough. If they are ever allowed during the regular bow season, then I might change my mind. Given a choice between a crossbow and and shotgun, if I had to have a turkey or I would strave to death, I believe you'd be a fool not to pick the shotgun. That being, I see no reason not to allow them for use during any firearm season.

[Duster]

How many of you have shot a crossbow ? I bought one several years back an hunted two seasons with it due to injury to my shoulder. Don't be fooled by the claims of shoots like a rifle, unlimited range, an that stuff. It is a cumbersum weapon to say the least. The weight alone is enough to make you pray for the day you can shoot a conventional bow again. Not to mention the noise. Yes they will take deer within range , which I found to be 30 yards max for accurcy. Zip that bolt out at almost 300 fps an dies like a shot duck at 30 yards. The position a crossbow must be held in is much differant than conventional bows. No more turning an shooting at a critter behind your stand unless your way out from the tree...Those limbs tend to hit stuff...LOL

I wouldn't mind them being allowed in firearm season, spring or fall. It definitely would be a challange differant than conventional bows or shotguns. Try one you will see what I mean by this last statement.

[CSS archer]

There are probably more users than we realize. I've heard that in any given year the Dept. gets around 5,000 disability applications to use these weapons during regular archery season. I can't imagine a lot more using them than that.

[Xtreme]

I just got off the phone with our 4yh dist. commisioner Mr. Southhall and he said it is on the table to be voted on during ANY legal turkey season to include archery.

He also said I was the first person to call and voice an opinion. Although i could not speak for the Cyberhunters as a whole as we have not drafted a resolution I did speak on behalf of myself and as a UBK 4th district director.

To explain to those why us dyed in the wool bowhunters opose them other than handicapped folks is that they remain cocked and have the characteristics described by some other posters on here.

Food for thought here gentlemen and ladies. What kind of avenues and what kind of new poachers is this going to create? Bubba in a ground blind on the edge of an alfalfa field under the disguise of "turkey" hunting may just stick an "arrow" in the buck you have been LEGALY pursueing.

It's to late to vote on this I'm afraid but we can call our commisioners and voice our opinions. I'll post more on this later.

[Ky Headhunter]

Didn't mean to sound extremely anti-crossbow. I agree they're not the long-range, hair-splitting weapons they're sometimes made out to be. But I'll never beleive that shooting a crossbow is "archery", and here's why...

About 6 yrs. ago, I was stationed at a USAF reserve airfield close to Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton. I used to talk "bowhunting" with some of the other ammo guys, so we all agreed to bring our bows one Sat. evening, since WP had an archery range. When I got there, they all had crossbows; I was the only one with a "vertical" bow. No big deal, it's their choice. Just for kicks, I let them shoot a few from my Mathews, and I shot some from their crossbows. They quit shooting mine after a few shots, because we were all tired of looking for arrows that didn't hit the target. On the other hand, I was shooting bullseyes after a few shots at 20 yards, then 30.

I don't beleive their weapons were more long-range than mine, but they sure as heck were easier to learn. Again, it didn't bother me a bit that they chose crossbows. It's legal in their state, and they struck me as law-abiding hunters with respect for their quarry. Good enough.

Ok, ok, I'll get back on topic! The biggest reason I'm against it was hit on by Multi, I truly believe the number of turkeys killed by "archery" equipment would increase big time.

[bowhunter49]

Like CSS said, 5,000 are issused to or for disabled hunters. They are allowed to use them any time during the archery season if ghey have the permitt from DFW. Heck over 1,000 of them are from Pike Co.
Now I don't mind those who truly loved the sport of Archery and are disabled to pull back a compound or recurve bow using them, but enough is enough. One of my hunting buddies uses one. Hit shoots like a rifle, but only accurate up to 35 yards. There is a lot of them being used at Paintsville,Fishtrap, Grayson and Yatesville WMA's. I don't agree to open up the entire public to them. Mainly because there are too many lazy people who would buy one because it's easier to hunt with.

[ez]

i can see you all are true blue ky bow hunters.........i lived my whole hunting life in ohio and grew up with the crossbow around and even ended up buying one myself......this is a form of archery equipment and if it's archery season then this devise should be included in the selection to hunt and persue deer..........just as the inline black powder gun has been excepted to the so called traditional black powder/flint lock, ect. just my opinion guys; but i like to hunt bow, black powder, shotgun, and high powerd rifle. i get a nut off on them all ............ez

[Flintlock54]

As far as the crossbow is concerned I believe it should be used by the disabled hunter only except for the crossbow season.

However, history will not allow one to separate the crossbow from the longbow anymore than one can separate a handgonne from a flintlock. The crossbow was the weapon of choice for the foot soldier of the King's army in the 12 and 13 Centuries. The longbowman spent many years in training to become proficient with his weapon and contrary to Hollywood's belief seldom saw war type action. Rather he spent his time as a castle guard. There are church records that indicate that a longbow of that time period could penitrate plate armor at 200 yards. By the way, it wasn't the idea to kill the opponent but wound him, especially the Knights, and hold them for ransom. The crossbowman was easily written off and easily replaced. There was little training involved in becoming proficent with the crossbow. However the crossbow and longbow stand side by side in the histry of archery.

I wish I could spell or find my dictionary.

A mountain man is a man of honor and upright stature. He helps others in the journey through life.

[Highbow]

Members , it seems that we have several who are trying to put down those of us that consider bowhunting to be our choice of hunting deer.
I don't like to see a new group being split on such an issue but I will still have to say that I vote no against this crossbow issue but if you want hunters out there shooting grouse, turkey or whatever they wish with this it won't be with my approval.

[shogan]

Man what a history lesson. Thanks!
I wish I could bring some good information like that to the table.

Now it sounds like the crossbow should replace the long bow because the long bow is just to effecient and good. With enough practice people could be taking deer from rifle distances and that could have a drastic affect on population and send herds plumiting. Where the crossbow boasts a maximum of 30 feet from what people are saying.

SO eliminate the unfair advantage of tree stands because thats just to easy replace the bow with the cross bow and that will be a harder hunt and better sport.

I know a guy who wrestled a wild boar instead of shooting it and his brother wrestled an alligator. I for one say pick your weapon of choice. Hum should I go get a cross bow now that there is a cross bow season. Hell next year they might have a blow gun season with poison darts allowed.

[ez]

i never ment to put anybody down but; i am entitled to have my opinions on ALL issues on this forum. is that not what this is all about?? to discuss the issues?? to see what the majority wants even though sometimes you are with the ones with the least?? i don't think it would meet my approval just for turkey but an all around archery/crossbow season would be ok..........ez

[Ky Headhunter]

Just my 2cents, but I think this thread has been pretty civilized compared to some of the crossbow "discussions" I've seen before.

I'd never hold it against a fellow personally if he chooses to be pro-crossbow. Somewhere out there, a stickbow shooter has the opinion that I'm not a real archer because my bow has wheels on it. I would beg to differ, having shot longbows, recurves, compounds, and crossbows- the crossbow is in a league of it's own when comparing the amount of practice & skill it takes to become proficient. Obviously, we all hold strong opinions about our choice of hunting tool.

I guess the big money question is, what effect would crossbow legalization have on the resource, in this case turkeys?

[MQ1ofKy]

Here's my take...The crossbow, if accepted will open the door to the draw-lock...Now we will be contending w/bows at full draw at all times. If this is passed it will open the door for crossbows to be used throughout the whole fall to hunt Turkey/poach deer. Even if it's during the fall shotgun season this weapon could be used to Poach a deer.
Don't forget the other issue hitting the table...Fall Turkey season being moved into October, Prior to the Rut , in the middle of Youth and Muzzle Loader season.....
This crossbow issue in my opinion is no more than a Decoy for the commission to focus the Bowhunters attention on their archenemy the "crossbow" while the NWTF pushes for a warmer/more dangerous season than December...
Full folage/ Camoed bowhunters/ and 3-1/2" magnum shells are NOT a good combo.....
Please Call Your District Commishioners
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Mike



Edited by - MQ1ofKy on 08/22/2002 1:52:23 PM

[MQ1ofKy]

Here is a link to the phone #'s of your District Commssion Members.
http://www.kdfwr.state.ky.us/commish.htm
))))---->
Mike

[Birdman]

Boys I posted on this issue on another thread before I had read this one. Bow Hunters I feel this way, this is the way you hunt and I can back you on this because I know how it feels when others out side that scope trys to change rules,that effect your sport.

[Xtreme]

If this passes I think I will go to taxidermy school because I believe there will be several nice "bow kill" bucks to be mounted.

[CSS archer]

Why not just make it legal archery equipment? If it's easy to master at 20 yards, I'd rather have incompetent bow hunters using a crossbow than crippling deer with compounds or traditional weapons. The turkey population won't suffer due to fall hunting.

Sounds like most against are because of "deer poaching".

I have no opinion either way, I've shot one recently and they can be a very effective close range weapon, they will never replace a compound for me, unless I become physically challenged.

[Bowcrazy]

Our local club is opposed to the change which would allow turkey hunting with crossbows during the entire length of archery only season. We are not opposed to the use of crossbows during gun seasons or by those hunters who are handicapped and as a result are unable to use bows and arrows. We have asked the Commission to reject the proposal based on the following reasons: (1) RECOGNIZED NATIONAL, STATE AND LOCAL BOWHUNTING ORGANIZATIONS ARE OPPOSED TO EXPANSION OF CROSSBOWS INTO ARCHERY ONLY SEASONS- The Professional Bowhunters Society (PBS) actively lobbies against the crossbow in regular archery seasons in every state where this becomes an issue. The Pope and Young Club does not recognize a crossbow as archery equipment. These are two of the most prestigious bowhunting/conservation groups in the world.

Expansion of the crossbow into archery seasons has always been opposed across the board by State Bowhunting Organizations. The United Bowhunters of Kentucky and the Kentucky Bowhunters Association continue to take this position because it is the position of the overwhelming majority of the bowhunters they represent. We have reasons for this, which are sound reasons and much material is available in support of our position (PBS has a lot of material and related studies available on the subject)

A poll of your local archery clubs will also find strong opposition to this across the state.

So, the first reason is.....we feel the commission should listen to the wishes of bowhunters on issues related to bow only seasons especially when there is such complete agreement by the organizations that represent bowhunters, who have experience in these areas. Need I remind you that there are over 100,000 bowhunters in Kentucky.

(2) THE USE OF CROSSBOWS FOR TURKEY HUNTING DURING REGULAR ARCHERY DEER SEASON OPENS THE DOOR FOR MUCH ABUSE (POACHING) This has been addressed elsewhere on this thread so I will not repeat.

(3) WHAT KIND OF PRECEDENT DO WE SET? Do we quickly move from turkey hunting with a crossbow to expand this into all types including deer hunting? Do we introduce crossbows into the archery in the schools program? Do we take away all pretenses and move to the rifle that shoots a bolted shaft down a barrel and say that is archery also?

(4) EXPANSION OF CROSSBOW USE IN ARCHERY SEASON IS DAMAGING TO THE VERY HEART AND SOUL OF THE NEW ARCHERY IN THE SCHOOLS PROGRAM. We are just beginning on what could be a wonderful journey together to teach our youth the great experience of shooting the bow and arrow, the hand held, hand drawn bow and arrow that has so much rich history and hopefully so much future in this country. To now include the crossbow into the same class as archery equipment could ultimately defeat many of the purposes of this unique and exciting program.


There are certain lines over which all activities, be it sports..outdoor..or otherwise should never cross. To do so will forever destroy the very basic spirit of that activity and there will never by any going back. In the world of bowhunting, that line is acceptance of crossbows into regular archery seasons. Much like gun hunters who refuse to accept automatic weapons we can never cross the line to accept this. To do so is to accept the eventual death of a thing we hold so dear.

[Strutter]

Who put this on the agenda anyway? What part of the state did it come from? Was it presented by any one commisioner? What about the pioneer weapons area? Anyone find out how that got passed and what is going on with that now?

Strutter

[Walt K]

CSS, I wonder about ya sometime...you're a sponsered BOW shooter, a lifetime member of UBK, which is an anti-crossbow organization for sure, except for handicapped, and you shoot more turkeys with a bow than anyone I know on the planet! I think you just MAY like to stir the pot a bit? ha, laugh cuz I am.. but I'm not laughing on the seriousness of these possibility of crossbows into archery even if it's only for turkeys. Seems many here have posted some good points, but to those who don't understand why the majority of bowhunters DON"T want them in their season, let me say this. It's about a proud tradition that 90,000 (Dept. numbers)of us Kentuckians enjoy. It would most certainly disrupt our season, especially when it caught on and it would, just like Ohio. I did a lot of research when I went to bat for UBK two years ago when a similiar crossbow issue surfaced. Several on this site have mentioned Ohio, yep, they're the pioneers of crossbows in archery season, they also have changed the demograpics of bowhunting in their state. 51% of Ohio archers now use crossbows. They have even changed methods on bowhunting to include deer drives, having "cocked and locked" crossbows in the hands of the standers. I too have researched & shot crossbows (it's good to know you're enemy)They aren't rifles for sure but they are as equally accurate as the best bow with similiar sights out there. But what separates them from the bow and puts them more akin to a firearm is the fact that once cocked and locked, the hunter has to make no movement other than to squeeze the trigger. While the bowhunter must draw his/her bow to full draw as his quarry comes into range. Ask 9 out of 10 bowhunters and ask them when they get "busted" by game and they'll tell you during the draw, it just doesn't put the bow user on the same playing field as the crossbow hunter. 90,000 bowhunters can't be wrong...leave it alone!

[Walt K]

ALSO! I always hear "well, Ohio allows it along with Missouri and a couple others....well, yeah...BUT there's forty some states that DONT allow it!!

[CSS archer]

I'm laughing Walt! Seriously though, I don't care either way. I'm totally objective on this. The argument that more deer will be taken is one that may make crossbows a viable option to increase harvest without lengthening gun seasons. I would gladly accept the crossbows over a month of gun season.

I'm as strict as anyone over hunting ethics. If I had "My" way we'd be like CO and you chose your weapon, you either bowhunt, muzzleloader hunt or modern gun hunt, not any of the above. That would make people proficient with their weapon and stay out of other's way. If we sold archery licenses we'd know how many bowhunters we have. We have no idea now, other than time of year licenses are sold. I'd be very surprised if we had 50,000 bowhunters let alone 90,000?

[MULESKINNER]

Bowcrazy,
Bravo...exactly what I expected from a guy called Bowcrazy. You the man!

Walt K.
I completely agree with your opinions about Ohio. Why is it that in trying to support an arguement that the some folks will pick the exception to the rule and then base their argument on that one exception? If your support is from less than 2% of the hunting population then you may want to just join them (move to Ohio).

I base my statistical argument with the fourty something states, major national bow groups and 90,000 bowhunters in Ky, not the few exceptions. Let them whine all they want about how the other 2% live. I'm happy to be in the majority. Don't try to drag me into your 2%.

I base my idealogical argument on the fact that a cross bow is not a bow because the arrow stays at full lock. It's a different animal, so it should have a different season. I guess for those argueing FOR crossbows we should allow ZIP guns too. They hold a string at full lock and project a missle at fatal speeds. Give me a break!

I suppose 3D tourneys should allow crossbows too. Give me two breaks!

Kentuckys archery season is not meant to be a management tool for wildlife. Statisticly the numbers of deer taken by bow compared to gun are insignificant. The department should and always has largely managed the state herd by the gun. Zones are not changed because of the amonut of bow kills. It all centers around the gun. Incorporating crossbows as archery will change the whole dynamics of the deer hunting season. In effect, 2% (crossbow hunters) of the hunting community stand to change what 98% of us bowhunters enjoy.


If you don't think there are alterior motives behind this move think again. since when do the voices of 2% of the population get this much attention? Ask birdman, Grouseguy, or GSP how hard it is to have a voice as a minority bird hunter. They have to practiclly go to the department and stand on peoples desks to get an ear.

Lastly,
I book paid hunts on my property. CROSSBOWS ARE NOT WELCOME. I have seen the needless injuries they inflict on animals when Johny come lately crossbow hunter decides because he has an optical scope on his crossbow he can take that 40+ yard shot. Not on my place! You may be responsible with them, but I'm not taking the chance on finding out. Keep your money.

Keep the season as is.
And find out who started this drive to incorporate the crossbow. I want names.
L A T E R . . .

[MULESKINNER]

Insert "Turkey" everywhere you read "Deer" on my previous post. I am sitting beside my brand spankin new 3D blueridge deer target still in the box (my wife is the best). I guess I was preoccupied.

Oh yea!!! I'm still mad as h@ll about this.
carry on.
L A T E R . . .

[shogan]

I'm glad I agree with a sponsored css archer professional.

[GSP]

I've got to sit on the sideline and watch this show, for I no longer bowhunt and I don't feel I have a dog in this fight. I've thought about this issue a lot and I see the point the bowhunters are trying to make.
Look at this from a sportsmans side. I love to catch catfish by hand and with "jugs", many will scream that I ain't know fisherman. Maybe so, but I do it legal and enjoy what I do. The same goes for cross-bows, they enjoy what they do and should be allowed to do so. Give them a season, which they have and let them enjoy their sport.
The part where I stand with the bowhunters is, keep it in that season and don't strech it across the entire season. If the Dept is considering that, then they should also premit coyote hunting with high powered rifles during deer gun season to people without deer tags! The exact same priciple applies here. The POTENTIAL damage is not worth the risk. That is why you can't hunt coyotes without a deer tag during gun season. POTENTIAL damage.

[shogan]

Makes sense to me

[Xtreme]

Our problem is with success comes problems. Hell when I was a kid a coon was a big game animal. There were no deer or turkey. The dept. and commisions biggest "wars" were between the houndsmen and trappers. I did both!!!...and loved every bit of it!! Some of you go back far enough to remember those days. We also worried that the ruckus that went on would swing wide the door for the antis. Unfortunately the antis won and fur is NOT now in fashion.

I absolutely loved hearing a good tree dog knockin em off! I had two beagles that were some grey fox runnin son of a guns as well. Nothing compares to seeing Mr. Fox on a frosty morning in the handcuffs. And what about the feeling when a kid pulls his first muskrat out of the chilly water?

I have pictures of myself as a kid standing by an old Ford pick up truck and it has hides stretched from fender to fender. My fondest memories from times long gone.

The funny thing was though that we tried our best not to trap coons where we could tree them with dogs. It does not take a lot of smarts to catch a coon. We trapped them where they were a nuisance and could not be hunted with dogs. The best places to hunt Grey Fox with dogs were the deep almost impenetrable thickets and we did not trap there either. Although the fox is by far a worthy opponent between man and steel we just could not trap them there due to we loved to hunt them with dogs.

What I'm trying to say is that a harvest is not always just a harvest. If you have ever stood motionless for what seemed like an eternity waiting for a deer to present the right shot only to turn and walk away you know what I'm talking about. The thought of knowing you could have shot it with a gun or crossbow does not even factor. The adrenaline rush of seeing the biggest buck of your life at 45 yds, for 10 minutes and hoping he comes 15 yds. closer. Finally he is inside of 30 yds. You go to draw your bow and he catches the slightest bit of movement. He throws his tail up and trots away. .....You slump down in your stand , you could almost cry.....but then a slight breeze wafts through the trees. It caresses your face. You smile knowing that at times like these are when the angels breathe. The buck won that one and he is there to challenge again. Thats what keeps us coming back and that is BOWHUNTING.

Do I apologize for loving this sport.... no. With the amazing success of our F&W DEPT. we have more game than ever to pursue with a wide variety of methods. With success come problems. I hope we peacefully work through them.

[CSS archer]

Good post Rick! I've recently come across some of my trappin pics, need to scan em and share on the trapping thread.

Just like crossbows and bowhunters, steel and snares share the same conflicts. Although the animal still has to be in the exact place before a catch is made, one requires less "skill" but it is still rewarding to the guy with a pack basket on his shoulders.

Objectively, crossbows are just as different as compounds and longbows. They all shoot arrows. The 80% letoff most bows have today is a far cry from a 60 pound longbow. Is it truly an advantage because the crossbow holds the string? Hell, it's easier to hold my compund at full draw than it is to hold a crossbow up just from the mass weight. If someone wants to use the noisy, bulky things maybe they should have more opportunity, maybe not. I don't care either way, just making discussion here.

[Multidigits]

I agree with CSS on that post--100%. I didn't agree when he said he didn't think it would effect the fall turkey harvest, which is why I opposed the use of crossbows in the bow seasons. I know they say the fall harvest is insinifficant, and it is now, but the crossbow users would have killed plenty or wounded plenty if this is ever allowed, not that aren't doing it now with the handicap permits.

[ez]

i believe there are and will be just as many deer wounded, crippled,
stuck, mangled, mutilated, boomeranged, missed, hit and just plain
Ffft-up by bow hunters as there are by crossbow hunters...i don't buy the excuse that the bow hunters are so much better shots then the cross bow hunter. also; if i was the poaching type of guy........i sure wouldn't be using the cross bow when the "BIG GUN" was available.......ez

[KYhunter]

Does anyone know who REALLY pushed for the crossbow DURING gun season and why?

[shogan]

I did it it was me. I really wanted to use that crossbow I bought a few years back. Seems only fair Its not nearly as easy as a gun (hope thats not to factual it's an opinion) it's a cross bow. You can use a muzzleloader during gun, a bow, a shotgun, the only thing left out was crossbow. So I sent lots of money to my politician freinds and voilla. And besided I bought that special crossbow mount for my atv.

See what you can get done if you get involved.



Edited by - shogan on 08/26/2002 9:34:48 PM

[Multidigits]

It was brought to the table by Commissioner Boatwright. There was only a small group of user that was behind it. I've been told that no Industry influence was involved this time.

Shogan - did you ever send in your dues and information to Big58???

[Xtreme]

I hope he does because we need a resident pain in the ass. He is over qualified.

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