Obama!!!!!ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

[AteUp]

I still can't believe any sane American would vote for this clown! I'm sorry to further beat a dead horse but AaaaaaaaHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is from 11/07 on MSNBC.com. Makes me want to scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16640635/

Low rating from conservatives
If you’re a conservative, there’s no surprise here: Obama isn’t one of you, except on his support for more disclosure of earmarks, targeted federal spending for local projects.

The American Conservative Union, a right-of-center group that issues a report card on the voting records of members of Congress, gives Obama an 8 out of 100 lifetime rating.

If you’re eco-friendly and want to see certain places kept off limits to oil and gas exploration, Obama is one of you.

Last March he voted against a bill that would have paved the way to oil and gas exploration in part of Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Last July he voted to filibuster a bill that would have opened eight million acres in the Gulf of Mexico to oil and gas drilling.

The confirmation vote on Chief Justice John Roberts provides a good case study in how Obama places himself on the political spectrum: he aligned himself with West Coast and Northeastern liberals in his party such as Sens. Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein of California and Sens. Charles Schumer and Hillary Clinton of New York, all of whom noted against Roberts.

Obama was at odds with western and southern Democrats, most of whom who voted for Roberts: Sens. Max Baucus of Montana, Ken Salazar of Colorado, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and others.

Praise for John Roberts
In explaining why he voted against Roberts, Obama told the Senate that he was “sorely tempted” to vote for him. Why?

* “There is absolutely no doubt in my mind Judge Roberts is qualified to sit on the highest court in the land,” Obama said.
* “He seems to have the comportment and the temperament that makes for a good judge. He is humble, he is personally decent, and he appears to be respectful of different points of view.”
* “He does, in fact, deeply respect the basic precepts that go into deciding 95 percent of the cases that come before the Federal court: adherence to precedents, a certain modesty in reading statutes and constitutional text, a respect for procedural regularity, and an impartiality in presiding over the adversarial system.”

So what’s not to like?
Obama said he was skeptical of Roberts’s “deepest values,” his “broader perspectives on how the world works” and his “empathy.”

According to Obama, the chief justice nominee told him that “he doesn't like bullies and has always viewed the law as a way of evening out the playing field between the strong and the weak.”

But Obama didn’t believe it.

“He has far more often used his formidable skills on behalf of the strong in opposition to the weak,” Obama said.

Roberts 'dismissive' on race and women's rights
Obama’s assessment: “he seemed to have consistently sided with those who were dismissive of efforts to eradicate the remnants of racial discrimination” and “seemed dismissive of the concerns that it is harder to make it in this world and in this economy when you are a woman rather than a man.”

Although Obama did not specify what evidence he had for these judgments, he was probably referring to cases such as one in 1990, when as a Justice Department official, Roberts opposed the use of racial preferences by the Federal Communications Commission in awarding broadcast licenses, and in 1982, as a Reagan administration lawyer, when he opposed lowering the standard in voting rights cases from needing to prove a racially discriminatory intent to only needing to show a discriminatory effect.

Perhaps because he is the child of a biracial marriage, Obama seems especially concerned about government treatment of racial minorities.
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As a member of the Illinois state senate in 1999, he sponsored a bill to require police to compile statistics on the racial identity of all motorists they stop, a response to allegations that police stopped black drivers more frequently than white drivers.

In 2001 he voted against a bill in the Illinois legislature that would have allowed the death penalty to be imposed if a gang member committed murder "in furtherance of the activities of a gang.”

Obama said it would treat black and Latino people unfairly, and that lawmakers were over-reacting to one incident in which gang members murdered a man in Chicago.

“It's problematic for us to continually pass criminal laws based on anecdote. When we have a single situation when a prosecutor doesn't get what he wants, we come down here and pass a law, which is why we have a criminal code rife with contradictions," the Associated Press quoted Obama as saying.

Self government for Hawaiians
In 2005, Obama, who was born in Hawaii, supported a bill, the Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act which would have allowed Native Hawaiians to set up their own governmental body to open government-to-government negotiations with the United States.

The bill limited eligibility to take part in this new government to the direct lineal descendants of “the aboriginal, indigenous, native people” who lived in Hawaiian Islands prior to 1893.

Explaining why he backed the bill, Obama said, “Young Native Hawaiians have had difficulties in terms of unemployment, in terms of being able to integrate into the economy of the islands… Some of the historical legacies of what has happened in Hawaii continue to burden the Native Hawaiians for many years into the future.”

The new governing body would “make sure that the Native Hawaiians… are full members and not left behind as Hawaii continues to progress.”

But critics of the bill, such as Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said it “would create a race-based and racially separate government for Native Hawaiians.”

In the end the supporters of the bill could not overcome the 60-vote filibuster threshold.

Out of Iraq, but with some conditions
On the premier issue of the day, the war in Iraq, Obama has called for a gradual withdrawal of American troops.

But in a speech last November he left openings for a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq.

He specified a number of conditions under which the withdrawal could be halted or delayed, for example “if the parties in Iraq reach an effective political arrangement that stabilizes the situation and they offer us a clear and compelling rationale for maintaining certain troop levels” and “if at any point U.S. commanders believe that a further reduction would put American troops in danger.”

And he made it clear that, for him, leaving Iraq did not mean leaving northern Iraq, the Kurdish region.

“Drawing down our troops in Iraq will allow us to redeploy additional troops to Northern Iraq and elsewhere in the region as an over-the-horizon force,” he said.

He said it was important to “consolidate gains in Northern Iraq, reassure allies in the Gulf, allow our troops to strike directly at al-Qaida wherever it may exist, and demonstrate to international terrorist organizations that they have not driven us from the region.”

Last week Obama said he was trying to figure out some way to pay for some operations in Iraq, but not pay for the additional 21,500 troops that President Bush has ordered to go there.

Obama said he wanted to avoid “a game of chicken” with the president.

The “big dilemma,” he said, is “trying to figure out what mechanism we can use to stop what I’m convinced is the wrong policy, without shortchanging the young men and women who’ve already been deployed.”

This carefully modulated position seems right in character for a politician who has already gotten very far in his ten-year career as an elected official.

[MsgMills]

I heard on the Rush Limbaugh radio show yesterday....Someone was interviewing someone from Obama's Political Staff and a question was asked...

Tell me sir: Name one thing that Obama has initialized / Began from start to finish since being in Governmental Office!!!!! The Obama Rep, kept trying to back peddle, but the person doing the question asking, kept at it and asking the same question over and over....The Obama rep then said I'll have to get back to you on that question.....

Quote: I can't answer that question, because "He, Obama" hasn't started anything on his own....... To help the American people, let alone the people in his District........

[turk2di]

The candidates to choose from get worse every 4 years. Makes me sick to see who we have to choose from.

[Ky'sFinest]

Taxation without representation here...

just found out this year like the last three so far i will be paying in on top of what i paid through the year...

i know a black guy at work who said he is getting back a few thousand, i know a single mom who is getting a few thousand, but me my wife, childless and married have to pay in!!!:mad::mad::mad:

i guess i should look on the bright side: i will be paying more when the dem's take the office.

[thunderchicken09]

Obama will get the vote from pretty much all the black people but i doubt most white men. I hope people wise up and not vote for him.

[johnnypossum]

This country, especially our part of the world, is not ready to have a woman (or whatever hillary is) or a black muslim for president. if he is elected, then we should pput a big sign that says please come attack us.

[slickhead slayer]

In 2001 he voted against a bill in the Illinois legislature that would have allowed the death penalty to be imposed if a gang member committed murder "in furtherance of the activities of a gang.”

Obama said it would treat black and Latino people unfairly, and that lawmakers were over-reacting to one incident in which gang members murdered a man in Chicago.


LOL,bwahahahahahhaha
How can anybody vote for this joker? He voted AGAINST the death penalty in cases where gang members killed just for gang initiation. His reasoning was it would treat blacks and latinos unfairly. :mad:

Are you freakin serious? And some of you want this man to lead our country? Wake up people.

[KYHUNTER14]

[quote=AteUp;551345]I still can't believe any sane American would vote for this clown!



Never underestimate the stupidity of some.

[killinmammals]

In 2001 he voted against a bill in the Illinois legislature that would have allowed the death penalty to be imposed if a gang member committed murder "in furtherance of the activities of a gang.”

Obama said it would treat black and Latino people unfairly, and that lawmakers were over-reacting to one incident in which gang members murdered a man in Chicago.


LOL,bwahahahahahhaha
How can anybody vote for this joker? He voted AGAINST the death penalty in cases where gang members killed just for gang initiation. His reasoning was it would treat blacks and latinos unfairly. :mad:

Are you freakin serious? And some of you want this man to lead our country? Wake up people.
I was thinkin the same thing!!! What you picked out stuck out at me too!!! This dude is a joke! If he takes over do you realize how horrible it is going to get. I heard something that 11 extremist were arrested in a plot to kill Obama because he was a traitor to muslims?? Don't know if its true or not but sounds like a BIG possiblitly.
And Thunderchicken09...almost every single black person I know said Barack would NOT get their vote ever

[huntindawoods]

The candidates to choose from get worse every 4 years. Makes me sick to see who we have to choose from.
Agree totally and lets remember the two Dem. cands. are for GUN CONTROL this might be bad in the future with our guns and hunting rights, I vote for Dem, or Rep b/c it's the person i vote for not their party, but this has really got me to thinking

[turkeytalker]

Obama hasn't just declared jihad against the born and unborn,but apparently thinks that animals have more rights than them


http://www.ussportsmen.org/Read1.cfm?ID=2186&programdocs=AH

[Ky'sFinest]

minorities and america's youth are falling to obama's slick and empty speeches. he promises the most.

According to this website:

http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/weebies/weebies6.html

Alexander Fraser Tytler made this interesting observation about democracy in 1776: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

kind of whats going on now. pandering to the minorities.

[turkeytalker]

I heard on the Rush Limbaugh radio show yesterday....Someone was interviewing someone from Obama's Political Staff and a question was asked...

Tell me sir: Name one thing that Obama has initialized / Began from start to finish since being in Governmental Office!!!!! The Obama Rep, kept trying to back peddle, but the person doing the question asking, kept at it and asking the same question over and over....The Obama rep then said I'll have to get back to you on that question.....

Quote: I can't answer that question, because "He, Obama" hasn't started anything on his own....... To help the American people, let alone the people in his District........


This what your talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZTo0iGc_Dw

[corndogggy]

just found out this year like the last three so far i will be paying in on top of what i paid through the year...

i know a black guy at work who said he is getting back a few thousand, i know a single mom who is getting a few thousand, but me my wife, childless and married have to pay in!!!:mad::mad::mad:


He could have his taxes set up differently too though. Anybody can set their taxes up so that the government holds more money with each paycheck, then you get a big fat return. But, what's the use of letting the government have a free loan? Just because somebody's getting back more on their tax return doesn't mean they're doing any better than you.

[corndogggy]

I heard something that 11 extremist were arrested in a plot to kill Obama because he was a traitor to muslims??

Woudn't surprise me one bit. His dad tried to raise him as a muslim when he was very young but he started going to Catholic school before he was even 10 and hasn't had anything to do with the Muslim faith since. He will aggressively deny that he is a Muslim at all. Yet, everybody keeps acting like he's some kind of Muslim extremist, but if those people thought about his actions at all, they'd realize that real Muslim extremists would be extremely ticked about the way he's been acting.

[johnnypossum]

minorities and america's youth are falling to obama's slick and empty speeches. he promises the most.

According to this website:

http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/weebies/weebies6.html

Alexander Fraser Tytler made this interesting observation about democracy in 1776: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

kind of whats going on now. pandering to the minorities.

i agree, but there are still alot of good young people out there that have a good head on their shoulders and know better than to fall for empty promises. i myself am only 18 and know better than this.

[raktrakr]

The candidates to choose from get worse every 4 years. Makes me sick to see who we have to choose from.Yep, and 40 years ago adults were saying "and to think these kids will one day run our country":eek: What will it be like when todays kids are running the country

[swamper]

I love to see all you Rep. squirming!! As a life long Dem. I feel our party has already won....regardless of who wins the Dem. nomination, McCain has sealed his deal, so from my standpoint, we have a Dem in office no matter what!!:D......you may now proceed with the conservative retoric of calling me an "idiot".

[Scott7m]

Yet I hope that B. Hussein Obama becomes the Dem. nominee. It accomplishes two things. It forever ends Hillary as a Presidential candidate and ensures a Republican sweep in November.

Go B. Hussein Obama!!!


Yea Right.......... Our canidate is as weak as pond water...... he can't even give a strong convincing speach, just stands there with a lil smerk on his face

[turkeytalker]

"IDIOT" :p:p:D

[Scott7m]

you people ask how how how can people vote for him......

quite simple, he's not a republican..

a lot of voters never look at where a politician stands, just as long as it's a change from what there used to.

he's out there telling people what they want to hear and a good portion of this country is stupid enough to beleive it....... he's whooped hillary pretty good for the last 10-12 states, and has more momentum than mccain could ever dream of.. McCain is just kinda ho ho hmm in his actions when OBama is out there rockin the crowd, getting them excited, and there is enough of those kind of people out there to put him in office

[Scott7m]

"IDIOT" :p:p:D

you wanting to argue with yourself again???????

[Ky'sFinest]

He could have his taxes set up differently too though. Anybody can set their taxes up so that the government holds more money with each paycheck, then you get a big fat return. But, what's the use of letting the government have a free loan? Just because somebody's getting back more on their tax return doesn't mean they're doing any better than you.

i was venting... but i just don't get how this system works. i work hard and save my money and then it seems like something always comes up and chips away of my hard earned dollars. the amount he gets back i know he doesn't put in. i know for a fact what he pays in because i made exactly what he makes. i just get disgruntled sometimes.

[mgpatty]

Why would anybody vote for him? Because sometimes people are dumb enough to get what they deserve:D These are the same type of people who would get eaten by a T-Rex if dinosaurs were still around....

[Ky'sFinest]

Why would anybody vote for him? Because sometimes people are dumb enough to get what they deserve:D These are the same type of people who would get eaten by a T-Rex if dinosaurs were still around....

show me a president that wants to reincarnate dinosaurs then!:D

[killinmammals]

show me a president that wants to reincarnate dinosaurs then!:D
Yeah cause I could think of TONS of people I would feed to a trex:D.
Corndoggy, if what I heard was true, just think of the problems that could bring this country if he got elected. White house might be in a little danger huh? I kinda makes sense if he was pres that there may be more attacks on U.S. if they consider him a traitor, which apparently is a big deal to those of the muslim faith.

[bosshogg2323]

In my opinion any of the nominees from both parties can do a better job than George W has done.

[Ky'sFinest]

In my opinion any of the nominees from both parties can do a better job than George W has done.

how???? in what issues?

[cornbread]

Obama is a cheerleader and great motivational speaker with no substance to his speaches. He wants to talk about change but can he lay out his plan for change. I think not. What an A**CLOWN

[AteUp]

Obama is a cheerleader and great motivational speaker with no substance to his speaches. He wants to talk about change but can he lay out his plan for change. I think not. What an A**CLOWN

You said it. Unfortunately, it's a popularity contest anymore, and those kind of idiots win.:mad:

[mgpatty]

Obama is a cheerleader and great motivational speaker with no substance to his speaches. He wants to talk about change but can he lay out his plan for change. I think not. What an A**CLOWN

He doesn't lay it out because the type of change he dreams of isn't what you and I (mainstream, middleclass American) would deem to be appropriate or positive. Beware of anyone sellling you something as monumental as "changing" a country without first telling you the specifics. A lot of his support is a direct result of the 'dumbing down' of America.

[turkeytalker]

Obama is a cheerleader and great motivational speaker with no substance to his speaches. He wants to talk about change but can he lay out his plan for change. I think not. What an A**CLOWN


Obama in a picture

[Scott7m]

You said it. Unfortunately, it's a popularity contest anymore, and those kind of idiots win.:mad:

your right about that....... the only chance I feel that McCain will have is to totally cut him down and make him look like an idiot in debates.. but even then, it will be tough..

I think it will be hard for McCain to win... can't help that... but it is possible, and if the R party does a good job at showing the true side of Obama and shout louder than the cheerleading than they might win

have you guys seen the women at obama's rallies?? most of them are standing around in tears smiling from hear to hear jumping up and down, crying there eyes out! shewwwwww

[Duster]

Beware of anyone sellling you something as monumental as "changing" a country without first telling you the specifics. A lot of his support is a direct result of the 'dumbing down' of America.

Kinda sounds like a Bush plan to me.

[mgpatty]

Kinda sounds like a Bush plan to me.

Why is it that Democratic supports can only fall back to "Bush lied...anybody but Bush....Bush bad, etc, etc" (always something about Bush-He's not even on the ticket LOL!) when they are challenged on their candidate's platform? If you like Obama, defend him with the facts of his platform. Compare and contrast him with McCain. Tell us how the changes he envisions will be better for the country. Please try to do this without say anything about Iraq or "He's better than Bush", the two red herrings that Democrats always use when challenged on political substance.

[Duster]

Well by the numbers of posters here that have made the statement they would vote for Bush if gave the chance and after him and his aministration fooled (make that LIED) to the American people and your anology of what a democrat may do such as....Trying to sell you something as monumental as "changing" a country without first telling you the specifics. And making the claim their support is a direct result of the 'dumbing down' of America. I would think that statement is fair game due to the Rebulician front runner promising to stay the course for another 100 years.

Also seems a majority of the posters here are afraid of the words gun control like one man or women can with the stroke of a pen take away every firearm overnight. I for one would be a lot more scared of some old man standing there commiting my great great grandchildren to fighting another countrys civil war thats been going on for 1000's of years. You know sooner or later the young men and women of this country are going wise up and stop volunteering and the draft will be reinstated. We were near that point not long ago till the army started offering $20,000 bribes on top of certin job bonuses to get people to sign up.

[mgpatty]

Well by the numbers of posters here that have made the statement they would vote for Bush if gave the chance and after him and his aministration fooled (make that LIED) to the American people and your anology of what a democrat may do such as....Trying to sell you something as monumental as "changing" a country without first telling you the specifics. And making the claim their support is a direct result of the 'dumbing down' of America. I would think that statement is fair game due to the Rebulician front runner promising to stay the course for another 100 years.

Also seems a majority of the posters here are afraid of the words gun control like one man or women can with the stroke of a pen take away every firearm overnight. I for one would be a lot more scared of some old man standing there commiting my great great grandchildren to fighting another countrys civil war thats been going on for 1000's of years. You know sooner or later the young men and women of this country are going wise up and stop volunteering and the draft will be reinstated. We were near that point not long ago till the army started offering $20,000 bribes on top of certin job bonuses to get people to sign up.

What exactly did Bush lie about? Please don't say weapons of mass destruction...That is so cliche'. I can quote you where Hillary, Kerry, Gore....Every major Dem...said the very exact thing. They were privy to the same intel that the President based his decisions on. In fact, I can point to speeches that Bill Clinton, Madline Albright, etc, made during the Clinton adminstration in which they said Iraq possed weapons of mass destruction many years before Bush took office. Irregardless of the facts about Bush, I find it sad that you would insinuate that our troops, serving in harm's way, are stupid or ingnorant by suggesting that they "are going to wise up and stop volunteering". What's even more sad is that our most of the Democratic leaders spew this same type of rhetoric and defeatist attitude :( We have the best, most highly trained troops of any nation. Many individuals view service in the armed forces as a career, not as a second choice because they can't do anything else with their life.

As far as gun control and the Democrats are concerned, how much clearer can they be?:confused: They have repeatedly stated that they feel as though the second amendment does not apply to the individual, but rather to the state at large. Let me break it down, Democrats in control of Congress (Democratic leaders on record for more gun control) + Democratic President (Obama & Clinton both on record for more gun control) = (you guessed it) More gun control. The president can, in fact, do it with the stroke of a pen. I guess you forgot about the Assault Weapons Ban of '94. If it had not been for Republicans, that ban would have been permanent and alot more restrictive. I'm curious, which gun control measures are you in favor of? If they promise not to take you shotguns will you be satisfied? After all, they have stated repeatly that they don't want to take away anybody's right to hunt:rolleyes:

One last point, if Clinton would have taken Sudan up on the offer of arresting Osama Bin Laden in '96 maybe all of the events leading up to, and after, September 11, 2001 could of been avoided. Instead, all we got during the Clinton adminstration was more American dead with no repercussions ....(care to talk about the USS Cole and the 17 dead Americans or the 1st World Trade Center bombing (Didn't Bill Clinton make a symbolic missle attack against Iraq for supporting terrorism during that time frame???)).

[swamper]

Why is it that Democratic supports can only fall back to "Bush lied...anybody but Bush....Bush bad, etc, etc" (always something about Bush-He's not even on the ticket LOL!) when they are challenged on their candidate's platform? If you like Obama, defend him with the facts of his platform. Compare and contrast him with McCain. Tell us how the changes he envisions will be better for the country. Please try to do this without say anything about Iraq or "He's better than Bush", the two red herrings that Democrats always use when challenged on political substance.

Give me a break...like you can listen to any conservative talk show and not hear the name "Bill Clinton".:rolleyes:

People are tired of the war, people are tired of $3 gas while Bush's corporate sponsors make multi-billion profits EACH QUARTER, etc...

Us "stupid...lemmings....sheep....______ (insert latest word of choice)" are having so much success because the conservative rhetoric is getting old and people are ready for a change. I (and most of the USA) will gladly take an unknown over 8-years of the same....with pleasure. And as we've seen with in the last couple years of elections, it won't even be close.

You preach about gun rights, but turn a blind eye to the more important factor, which is supported by Dems,.....conservation. What good is that shotgun going to do you when you have no place to use it or nothing to shoot at?

[Scott7m]

Give me a break...like you can listen to any conservative talk show and not hear the name "Bill Clinton".:rolleyes:

People are tired of the war, people are tired of $3 gas while Bush's corporate sponsors make multi-billion profits EACH QUARTER, etc...

Us "stupid...lemmings....sheep....______ (insert latest word of choice)" are having so much success because the conservative rhetoric is getting old and people are ready for a change. I (and most of the USA) will gladly take an unknown over 8-years of the same....with pleasure. And as we've seen with in the last couple years of elections, it won't even be close.

You preach about gun rights, but turn a blind eye to the more important factor, which is supported by Dems,.....conservation. What good is that shotgun going to do you when you have no place to use it or nothing to shoot at?


this my fellow members is what you hear in coffee shops everyday across america...... deny it if you want.. but this is what people are saying.. perfect example

a lot of analyst on tv today were talking and they think that Obama is going to coast into office un-challenged

[Scott7m]

oohhh by the way, if Obama picks Edwards as a running mate.......... you can bet your last penny that they'll win big

[mudhole crossing]

well, id like to keep my guns as everyone else would on here. however, id rather give up a 'kill a whole herd at one time' gun than starve to death.

[turkeytalker]

The more i hear osama speak the more i like him as the demoncrat nominee.I know a few on here has said it all along and i disagreed but this guy is digging himself a hole,like saying his parents got together after the marches in Selma and he was born,,,except the marching didn't start until after osammy was born :o.

Osama will be the weakest candidate ever,yeah he will get the same fainters and mtv bunch showing up at his rallies but after McCain asks him to explain some of his positions the choice will be clear :).


CHENEY 08

[mgpatty]

Give me a break...like you can listen to any conservative talk show and not hear the name "Bill Clinton".:rolleyes:

People are tired of the war, people are tired of $3 gas while Bush's corporate sponsors make multi-billion profits EACH QUARTER, etc...

Us "stupid...lemmings....sheep....______ (insert latest word of choice)" are having so much success because the conservative rhetoric is getting old and people are ready for a change. I (and most of the USA) will gladly take an unknown over 8-years of the same....with pleasure. And as we've seen with in the last couple years of elections, it won't even be close.

You preach about gun rights, but turn a blind eye to the more important factor, which is supported by Dems,.....conservation. What good is that shotgun going to do you when you have no place to use it or nothing to shoot at?

More useless liberal rhetoric.....It's alway Iraq or Oil, usually in the same sentence. Everybody likes to complain about the price of gas, but nobody wants to do anything about their consumption. The higher the price goes, the more people buy it. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is happy about $3.00 a gallon gasoline. But if you think it's just a bunch of rich Texans sittin' round the a corporate board room, grabbin' numbers out of the air, you are sadly mistaken. If Hillary or Obama are elected, they won't be able to bring the price down either. Don't be so naive.
Doesn't matter though if gas drops a $1.00 a gallon if the Democrats win. Those of us who work and make a modest income are going to be taxed so heavily that we won't be to afford to drive, or do anything else for that matter.

Where do you think that the money will come from for all the 'oil company reform', 'social programs', and 'universal health care' that the Democrats are supposedly supporting? That is part of the reason why us 'conservatives' are so much against the Democrat platform. It peanlizes those who keep the economy chugging along. If you work hard, sacrafice, and earn a good income, you are somehow 'at fault' for others who are not doing as well.

As far as conservation and the Democrats are concerned, I think you're somewhere in left field with that......

If the election isn't close and Democrats win heavily (which judging by the last two Presidental elections, I predict it will be VERY close), it's just more proof for 'the dumbing down of America'--the Oprah mentally that is slow eroding the social fabric of this nation.

On a side note, as a Democratic supporter, can you please explain something to me....
Why did Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda in Iraq praise the last Democratic victories that you seem to be referring to in your post?

Hey mudhole, if ya get hungry I can put ya on a whole bunch of elk.....LOL!!!>>>> Just kiddin' with ya...Take care ;>)

[turkeytalker]

this my fellow members is what you hear in coffee shops everyday across america...... deny it if you want.. but this is what people are saying.. perfect example

a lot of analyst on tv today were talking and they think that Obama is going to coast into office un-challenged


Yeah scott your right,"From sea to shining sea,people want change",in Congress that is.I'm glad the liberals won Congress last year


Nancy's promised first 100 days,wonder what osamas will look like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_zZKEtoPpM

[Ky'sFinest]

Yeah scott your right,"From sea to shining sea,people want change",in Congress that is.I'm glad the liberals won Congress last year


Nancy's promised first 100 days,wonder what osamas will look like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_zZKEtoPpM

good video. america wants change...

i want change, but the change i want is specific. leave my rights and my privacy alone, lower taxes and protect my rights and opportunities from those that want to take them away. i don't need social security and i don't need gov health care, all i need is for the gov to get out of my way.

[Scott7m]

Yeah scott your right,"From sea to shining sea,people want change",in Congress that is.I'm glad the liberals won Congress last year


Nancy's promised first 100 days,wonder what osamas will look like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_zZKEtoPpM

turkey man, I bet if you interviewed every single american less than 40% would even know what congress does!

the president is the face of the country, whatever happens on his watch thats bad he gets the blame for it, if it' something good he gets praise, with all the bad thats happened on bush's watch, swing voters would be scared to death to vote for someone saying they wanna stay in Iraq for 100 years........

As a registered republican, I hardly feel motivated to get out and vote, though I will based on gun rights, which McCain is weak there too..

[Scott7m]

as far as the video, you could probably make a video like that on nearly every single politician in washington, except for one probably... I'm sure you guys know who that would be!

[Ky'sFinest]

as far as the video, you could probably make a video like that on nearly every single politician in washington, except for one probably... I'm sure you guys know who that would be!

Ron Paul??:D

[slickhead slayer]

Give me a break...like you can listen to any conservative talk show and not hear the name "Bill Clinton".:rolleyes:

People are tired of the war, people are tired of $3 gas while Bush's corporate sponsors make multi-billion profits EACH QUARTER, etc...

Us "stupid...lemmings....sheep....______ (insert latest word of choice)" are having so much success because the conservative rhetoric is getting old and people are ready for a change. I (and most of the USA) will gladly take an unknown over 8-years of the same....with pleasure. And as we've seen with in the last couple years of elections, it won't even be close.

You preach about gun rights, but turn a blind eye to the more important factor, which is supported by Dems,.....conservation. What good is that shotgun going to do you when you have no place to use it or nothing to shoot at?

Like Mgpatty said, there is no more of a cliche BS statement than "Bush lied". The only statement that is just as ridiculous, is the statement you libs used to that the war in Iraq was for oil.
If you think Bush is responsible for $3 gas, your going to be real dissapointed regardless of who the next Pres is. A few of the Dems around here were claiming that the election of a Dem House 2 years ago would stop high gas prices. Until you guys realize oil is a commodity and we have refining problems, you will never get it. The funniest part, there isn't awhole lot we can do about high gas prices, but the few things we can do? Drill in ANWAR, remove offshore drilling restrictions, and lower refining restrictions..............your boy Barack has voted AGAINST them all.

Dems support conservation????? More BS. Hunters and sportsmen support and fund conservation.:rolleyes:

[slickhead slayer]

well, id like to keep my guns as everyone else would on here. however, id rather give up a 'kill a whole herd at one time' gun than starve to death.

Starve to death? Where does this come from?
Jog growth has been great, interest rates at 40 year lows, unemployment at historic lows,record home ownership, alltime records in the stock market, workers keeping more of their tax dollars thanks to his tax cuts, etc, etc. We have had a tremendous economy the last 8 years.

I haven't been 100% happy with Bush, I think he allowed too much spending., etc. Beat the guy up on his faults, but stop all the misconceptions and drivel. Gas prices are not his fault, he didn't lie, the war is not about oil, etc, etc.
If it weren't for Iraq, he would have outstanding approval ratings.

[Scott7m]

Starve to death? Where does this come from?
Jog growth has been great, interest rates at 40 year lows, unemployment at historic lows,record home ownership, alltime records in the stock market, workers keeping more of their tax dollars thanks to his tax cuts, etc, etc. We have had a tremendous economy the last 8 years.

I haven't been 100% happy with Bush, I think he allowed too much spending., etc. Beat the guy up on his faults, but stop all the misconceptions and drivel. Gas prices are not his fault, he didn't lie, the war is not about oil, etc, etc.
If it weren't for Iraq, he would have outstanding approval ratings.

a lot of what your touting is really bad news though........ like interest rates at 40 year lows... everytime the govt hits a bump the govt drops rates and prints money with no backing to it, further declining the value of the dollar, soooooo.... no matter if bush does give you a tax cut your dollar still isn't worth as much..

SOME Day, there will be a correction that will have to take place for all the so called fake money being made.. our monetary system is lacking to say the least.

Ron Paul warned everyone of this in all his speaches and was laughed at... he estimated our national debt was around 50 trillion, based on what the govt had already promised over the near future. That being said that's close to 200k on each of the u.s citzens..

Something has to be done to restore the value of the dollar.. Printing more money isnt the answer


but, the amero might be lol

[mudhole crossing]

Starve to death? Where does this come from?
Jog growth has been great, interest rates at 40 year lows, unemployment at historic lows,record home ownership, alltime records in the stock market, workers keeping more of their tax dollars thanks to his tax cuts, etc, etc. We have had a tremendous economy the last 8 years.

I haven't been 100% happy with Bush, I think he allowed too much spending., etc. Beat the guy up on his faults, but stop all the misconceptions and drivel. Gas prices are not his fault, he didn't lie, the war is not about oil, etc, etc.
If it weren't for Iraq, he would have outstanding approval ratings.whatever! all i know is we owe so much money we'll never get out of debt-ask china,lol!

[slickhead slayer]

whatever! all i know is we owe so much money we'll never get out of debt-ask china,lol!

Nice reply, can't speak about any of the original issues, so you move on to another.

[slickhead slayer]

a lot of what your touting is really bad news though........ like interest rates at 40 year lows... everytime the govt hits a bump the govt drops rates and prints money with no backing to it, further declining the value of the dollar, soooooo.... no matter if bush does give you a tax cut your dollar still isn't worth as much..

SOME Day, there will be a correction that will have to take place for all the so called fake money being made.. our monetary system is lacking to say the least.

Ron Paul warned everyone of this in all his speaches and was laughed at... he estimated our national debt was around 50 trillion, based on what the govt had already promised over the near future. That being said that's close to 200k on each of the u.s citzens..

Something has to be done to restore the value of the dollar.. Printing more money isnt the answer


but, the amero might be lol

To say interest rates is a bad thing is not correct. Do you have a home mortgage, car payments, student loans, etc? We all do, and we are all saving money on them. To say that low interest rates devalues the dollar is flat wrong, and shows lack of economic understanding. Besides saving us money, it encourages investment by businesses, which creates jobs.

[turkeytalker]

Nice reply, can't speak about any of the original issues, so you move on to another.


Hey slick its typical liberal baitNswitch.

Scott i like Paul for his conservative credentials,but since he said that Irans military was non existent :eek:,he lost all his credibilty with me.

[Scott7m]

To say interest rates is a bad thing is not correct. Do you have a home mortgage, car payments, student loans, etc? We all do, and we are all saving money on them. To say that low interest rates devalues the dollar is flat wrong, and shows lack of economic understanding. Besides saving us money, it encourages investment by businesses, which creates jobs.

wrong wrong wrong.......... it's what's breaking this country! borrow borrow borrow borrow borrow... thats all the country knows anymore, and it's all it's citizens know.. everyone wants to go out and buy buy buy because interest rates are low... and then the economy slows a bit and they get their hours cut and they are screwed...

It's not that the low interest rate causes the decline of the dollar, it's the printing of money! they just keep on printing keep on printing.. nothing behind it..

I beleive the interest rates were low over the past 8 years when everyone bought these big mega homes that they now can't afford..

the borrowing has got to come to a head at some point... for individuals and for the government.

[Scott7m]

Hey slick its typical liberal baitNswitch.

Scott i like Paul for his conservative credentials,but since he said that Irans military was non existent :eek:,he lost all his credibilty with me.

Have you been to Iran to see their military? or just go on what the media tells ya?

I have no idea what their military is like, Ron Paul has no reason to lie..

But, based on the govt and media, Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, he was working on nukes, this and that this and that.. nothing more than an excuse.. kinda sounds like what there trying with Iran now doesn't it

[turkeytalker]

Have you been to Iran to see their military? or just go on what the media tells ya?

I have no idea what their military is like, Ron Paul has no reason to lie..




Has moonbat been to Iran to inspect their military?


Saddam Hussein made osama bin laden look like a neighborhood bully,of course i believe he got stretched

[aceoky]

A few of the Dems around here were claiming that the election of a Dem House 2 years ago would stop high gas prices. Until you guys realize oil is a commodity and we have refining problems, you will never get it. The funniest part, there isn't awhole lot we can do about high gas prices, but the few things we can do? Drill in ANWAR, remove offshore drilling restrictions, and lower refining restrictions..............your boy Barack has voted AGAINST them all.

Dems support conservation????? More BS. Hunters and sportsmen support and fund conservation.

+1


Exactly correct, they "created" much of the problem(refinery/drilling restrictions etc) but can't now solve it ........:rolleyes:

[slickhead slayer]

wrong wrong wrong.......... it's what's breaking this country! borrow borrow borrow borrow borrow... thats all the country knows anymore, and it's all it's citizens know.. everyone wants to go out and buy buy buy because interest rates are low... and then the economy slows a bit and they get their hours cut and they are screwed...


I beleive the interest rates were low over the past 8 years when everyone bought these big mega homes that they now can't afford..

the borrowing has got to come to a head at some point... for individuals and for the government.

Your under the assumption that all borrowing is bad. Its not. We all have to borrow, and like everything else, when its done correctly, its an asset. Nobody in this country would have their own home if they didn't borrow. And when you can get a mortgage for 5% instead of 7%, thats tens of thousands of dollars you saved over the life of that loan.

People overextend themselves regardless of what rates are. Thats certainly no reason to think low rates are bad.
Your confusing borrowing with irresponsible borrowing.

[Scott7m]

Your under the assumption that all borrowing is bad. Its not. We all have to borrow, and like everything else, when its done correctly, its an asset. Nobody in this country would have their own home if they didn't borrow. And when you can get a mortgage for 5% instead of 7%, thats tens of thousands of dollars you saved over the life of that loan.

People overextend themselves regardless of what rates are. Thats certainly no reason to think low rates are bad.
Your confusing borrowing with irresponsible borrowing.

no one would have homes????????????? lord have mercy........... i was the first one in my family ever to borrow money for a home.. the first... grandparents and parents all built there home taking there paychecks and building there house as they got more money in....... my parents lived with their parents for around 6 months, when they moved out they had 0 in the bank but they had a new built home and didn't owe a dime on it....... even today he's yet to borrow money... refuses to...... I'm not saying it's smart to do that, just saying that it doesn't have to be that way..

[turkeytalker]

This election is gonna be fun!


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=57231

[Ky'sFinest]

Your under the assumption that all borrowing is bad. Its not. We all have to borrow, and like everything else, when its done correctly, its an asset. Nobody in this country would have their own home if they didn't borrow. And when you can get a mortgage for 5% instead of 7%, thats tens of thousands of dollars you saved over the life of that loan.

People overextend themselves regardless of what rates are. Thats certainly no reason to think low rates are bad.
Your confusing borrowing with irresponsible borrowing.


nail on the head. i think this also goes along with the dumbing down of america.

people get themselves in a bind and look to the "govament" to bail them out.

[cornbread]

I would not vote for anyone that refused to put his hand on a Bible when being sworn into the senate, dosent put his hand over his heart for the pledge and his wife has never been proud of her country. Also blames the US for 911 and believes that we should not respond with military action. He would rather sit down, with leaders of countrys that support terrorism, and figure out why they hate us and how we can change. I guess we should not be suprised. Makes me wonder just how much of an influence his muslim upbringing has influenced him.:rolleyes:

On another note when are the Dems going to start spitting the normal BS. Like the mean old Republicans are going to take away your Social Security, Medicade and Welfare. Scare the old folks and minorities. Promise the young change without a plan. Rally the union workers and victory will be ours.:rolleyes:

[turkeytalker]

a lot of analyst on tv today were talking and they think that Obama is going to coast into office un-challenged


With friends like these scott,obama is the weakest candidate of the bunch.I'm not sure that he will even win the nomination.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8V13IMO1&show_article=1

[Ky'sFinest]

On another note when are the Dems going to start spitting the normal BS. Like the mean old Republicans are going to take away your Social Security, Medicade and Welfare. Scare the old folks and minorities. Promise the young change without a plan. Rally the union workers and victory will be ours.:rolleyes:

you should be one of those democratic strategists there on tv!!:D

[hannibal]

I would not vote for anyone that refused to put his hand on a Bible when being sworn into the senate, dosent put his hand over his heart for the pledge...


once again, these statements are incorrect.

[Ky'sFinest]

once again, these statements are incorrect.


you crack me up... especially when you said in some thread, something of the sort... "thank you wikipedia master."

[hannibal]

you crack me up... especially when you said in some thread, something of the sort... "thank you wikipedia master."

See the thing is I actually looked in to this on my own. There is a newspaper that has done an article on this exact subject and has posted video copies of obama being sworn in and him LEADING the pledge of allegiance with his hand over his heart. I don't exactly trust snopes.com for all of my information.

[Ky'sFinest]

See the thing is I actually looked in to this on my own. There is a newspaper that has done an article on this exact subject and has posted video copies of obama being sworn in and him LEADING the pledge of allegiance with his hand over his heart. I don't exactly trust snopes.com for all of my information.

i hear you loud and clear. i don't like obama, but it is not because of his religion, or some picture of him not doing whatever. i disagree with him because he doesn't agree with me.

i just brought up the wikipedia master quote because i laughed when i read it after some guy went and copied wikipedia article and posted it here to argue his point.

[hannibal]

That's my problem too. I'm not voting for the guy. I don't like his message or policy. It is NOT based on fictitious reports that he is Muslim or refuses to say the pledge of allegiance, or some other BS. All stories like that do is distract people from looking in to what a candidate has to say. Whoever's camp started that rumor (dem or rep), it was a pretty smart move. It's probably caused more of a stir than any other rumor they could have started. Brilliant politics, but it disgusts me. If you're not gonna vote for the guy, make sure it's because of his stance on everything, not something that isn't true.

[cornbread]

How would you know if you agree or disagree with his ideas. He never lays out what he would do if he were President. All he can do is cheer "We want change" over and over. My decision to not vote for the guy is based on my belief that he is not the person to lead this country. Hell I think Hillary would do a better job. McCain is not my first choice but I will vote for him. At least I agree with him on a few issues. I just wish Huckabee could have beaten McCain or that JC Watts would have ran.

[hannibal]

His message can be found by looking at what he has said before this presidential run and reviewing his voting record. Those are the places I find that I don't align with him.

[cornbread]

hannibal you are taking me way to serious. I like to have a little fun when it come to politics. I have looked at his voting record or lack of it. Seems that he has missed alot of votes. I am a very conservative person so Obama never had a chance with me. Heck alot of Republicans are not conservative enough for me. If Obama wants to be President he needs to stop being a cheerleader and lay out his plan for all this change he speaks of. Most Obama supporters can't even tell you how he stands on issues. I will say this he is a great motivational speaker. But you can get people to cheer by promising change but will those same people show up to cast a vot for him? Oh yeah I still think that he is an A**Clown

[MsgMills]

I'm a Republican and will always be one.......So you know who I'll be voting for...Now the question for the Dems...... How sure are you that since Obama is leading the Democratic race...How sure are you that the Democratic National Convention will declare him the winner over Hitlery.....Just because he wins the Votes to become the Democratic winner, does not mean he'll be selected as their choice to go against Mr. McCain in the Presidential Election this year?

Now wouldn't this get some feathers riled up if Obama wins with the vote count, but doesn't get the nomination of the Democratic Party as the selection to face the Republican Representative.....

What's your thoughts Democrats?

[redneck1377]

Hillary daughter already been in the whitehouse 8 years and if hillary wins the president race and stay for 8 years then the daughter will be a veteran with 16 years in the whitehouse

[Scott7m]

I'm a Republican and will always be one.......So you know who I'll be voting for...Now the question for the Dems...... How sure are you that since Obama is leading the Democratic race...How sure are you that the Democratic National Convention will declare him the winner over Hitlery.....Just because he wins the Votes to become the Democratic winner, does not mean he'll be selected as their choice to go against Mr. McCain in the Presidential Election this year?

Now wouldn't this get some feathers riled up if Obama wins with the vote count, but doesn't get the nomination of the Democratic Party as the selection to face the Republican Representative.....

What's your thoughts Democrats?

not a dem but I don't see it happening, he's picking up super delegates left and right and showing well in washington.......

I can't beleive people can make statements like Obama is the weakest candiate, he's whooped hillary in like the last 13 contests..

If there was a democrat that wasn't so far to the left I wouldn't rule out voting for one, I say vote for the best man possible.. This year, we don't have much of a choice.

[thunderchicken09]

What ever happened to the limo party thing?

[slickhead slayer]

not a dem but I don't see it happening, he's picking up super delegates left and right and showing well in washington.......

I can't beleive people can make statements like Obama is the weakest candiate, he's whooped hillary in like the last 13 contests..

If there was a democrat that wasn't so far to the left I wouldn't rule out voting for one, I say vote for the best man possible.. This year, we don't have much of a choice.

I know you say your not an Obama guy, but you sure talk him up every single chance you get. I bet a happy meal you got an Obama sticker on your car.;)

[turkeytalker]

I know you say your not an Obama guy, but you sure talk him up every single chance you get. I bet a happy meal you got an Obama sticker on your car.;)


You are talking about the veggie meal right?The klintonistas are about to get to work:D

[Bullitt Hunter]

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/25/farrakhan-praises-obama-as-hope-of-entire-world/

[mgpatty]

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/25/farrakhan-praises-obama-as-hope-of-entire-world/

Thank you for that article. Everyone seems to be giving Obama a free ticket in regards to his relationship to the Nation Of Islam. I know he has publicly distanted himself from the NOI, but the relationship is still there. The church and minister for which is he so proud, openly praises Louis Farakahan and the NOI. The Nation Of Islam is so blantenly racist that it isn't even funny. If John McCain attended a church which openly praised and supported a group like The Church Of The Creator or the Aryan Brotherhood, there would nationwide outrage (as they should be).

[Buford]

holy crap!
great pic

[Scott7m]

I know you say your not an Obama guy, but you sure talk him up every single chance you get. I bet a happy meal you got an Obama sticker on your car.;)

when he first started campaiging i thought may be alright, ever since i saw where he stands, No way.................

Only thing i post positive about him is how his message resonates with the people whether it has any depth or not, people are loving it.....

i don't like it though.....

[Wildcat]

Obama is not doing as well as people would led you to beleive. John Kerry did much better both in numbers and percentage.

Sure Obama is pulling in large crowds but the numbers do not match Kerry's of 4 years ago. People forget the population growth over 4 years from 2004 to 2008. It doesn't add up. Not only did Kerry pull in the numbers per person in the priimarites but he also pulled in more money per person.

At the end of the primarty season Kerry had won everyone of the democrat primarties except 4, he blew everybody else out of the water in the democrat primaries. If Obama was doing as good as Kerry Hillary would have given up back in early Jan.

[redneck1377]

according to hillary news statement today ,she will win in november and there will be singing in heaven because she won the president race, I got more to say but am not sure how-to word what I think

[Scott7m]

according to hillary news statement today ,she will win in november and there will be singing in heaven because she won the president race, I got more to say but am not sure how-to word what I think

I think she was making fun of Obama for being a cheerleader when she made that comment wasn't she?

[Fat Tony]

I've never been more afraid for my what kind of country my kids will be forced to grow up in.

This clown is an outrage.

[MsgMills]

I've never been more afraid for my what kind of country my kids will be forced to grow up in.

This clown is an outrage.

I will second your response....... Lord help this Country if this Jerk Bag gets the Presidential Office........:(

[redneck1377]

I think she was making fun of Obama for being a cheerleader when she made that comment wasn't she?


bammy were talking before her comment so that may be the reason for her to speak up

[Ky'sFinest]

I will second your response....... Lord help this Country if this Jerk Bag gets the Presidential Office........:(

i hope he doesn't but i really hope hillary doesn't. the clintons have a lot of power and money, delegates may choose her over obama.

what do you guys think?

[Scott7m]

i hope he doesn't but i really hope hillary doesn't. the clintons have a lot of power and money, delegates may choose her over obama.

what do you guys think?

all we can go on is what the media is telling us about the delegates and super delegates, there all saying they're in strong support of Obama....... beats me though

[Ky'sFinest]

all we can go on is what the media is telling us about the delegates and super delegates, there all saying they're in strong support of Obama....... beats me though

its still early yet... the billary machine has plenty of time to cook up some controversial stuff.

she is as crooked as it gets.

[AteUp]

http://www.JewishWorldReview.com

Michelle Obama's America — and mine
By Michelle Malkin

Like Michelle Obama, I am a "woman of color." Like Michelle Obama, I am a working mother of two young children. Like Michelle Obama, I am a member of the 13th generation of Americans born since the founding of our great nation.

Unlike Michelle Obama, I can't keep track of the number of times I've been proud — really proud — of my country since I was born and privileged to live in it.

At a speech in Milwaukee this week on behalf of her husband's Democratic presidential campaign, Mrs. Obama remarked, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

Mrs. Obama's statement was met with warm applause from other Barack supporters who have apparently also been devoid of pride in their country for their adult lifetimes. Or maybe it was just a Pavlovian response to the word "change." What a sad, empty, narcissistic, ungrateful, unthinking lot.

I'm just seven years younger than Mrs. Obama. We've grown up and lived in the same era. And yet, her self-absorbed attitude is completely foreign to me. What planet is she living on? Since when was now the only time the American people have ever been "hungry for change"? Michelle, ma belle, Barack is not the center of the universe. Newsflash: The Obamas did not invent "change" any more than Hillary invented "leadership" or John McCain invented "straight talk."

We were both adults when the Berlin Wall fell, Michelle. That was earth-shattering change.

We've lived through two decades' worth of peaceful, if contentious election cycles under the rule of law, which have brought about "change" and upheaval, both good and bad.

We were adults through several launches of the space shuttle, in case you were snoozing. And as adults, we've witnessed and benefited from dizzyingly rapid advances in technology, communications, science and medicine pioneered by American entrepreneurs who yearned to change the world and succeeded. You want "change"? Go ask the patients whose lives have been improved and extended by American pharmaceutical companies that have flourished under the best economic system in the world.

If American ingenuity, a robust constitutional republic and the fall of communism don't do it for you, hon, then how about American heroism and sacrifice?

How about every Memorial Day? Every Veterans Day? Every Independence Day? Every Medal of Honor ceremony? Has she never attended a welcome home ceremony for the troops?

For me, there's the thrill of the Blue Angels roaring over cloudless skies. And the somber awe felt amid the hallowed waters that surround the sunken U.S.S. Arizona at the Pearl Harbor memorial.

Every naturalization ceremony I've attended, where hundreds of new Americans raised their hands to swear an oath of allegiance to this land of liberty, has been a moment of pride for me. So have the awesome displays of American compassion at home and around the world. When millions of Americans rallied to help victims of the 2004 tsunami in Southeast Asia — including members of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group that sped from Hong Kong to assist survivors — my heart filled with pride. It did again when the citizens of Houston opened their arms to Hurricane Katrina victims and folks across the country rushed to their churches, and Salvation Army and Red Cross offices to volunteer.

How about American resilience? Does that not make you proud? Only a heart of stone could be unmoved by the strength, valor and determination displayed in New York, Washington, D.C., and Shanksville, Pa., on September 11, 2001.

I believe it was Michael Kinsley who quipped that a gaffe is when a politician tells the truth. In this case, it's what happens when an elite Democratic politician's wife says what a significant portion of the party's base really believes to be the truth: America is more a source of shame than pride.

Michelle Obama has achieved enormous professional success, political influence and personal acclaim in America. Ivy League-educated, she's been lauded by Essence magazine as one of the 25 World's Most Inspiring Women; by Vanity Fair as one of the 10 World's Best-Dressed Women; and named one of "The Harvard 100" most influential alumni. She has had an amazingly blessed life. But you wouldn't know it from her campaign rhetoric and her griping about her and her husband's student loans.

For years, we've heard liberals get offended at any challenge to their patriotism. And so they are again aggrieved and rising to explain away Mrs. Obama's remarks.

Like Lady Macbeth, Lady Michelle and her defenders protest too much.

[Scott7m]

its still early yet... the billary machine has plenty of time to cook up some controversial stuff.

she is as crooked as it gets.

you think there is a chance she'll drop out if she loses in ohio and texas?

[Ky'sFinest]

you think there is a chance she'll drop out if she loses in ohio and texas?

not to question your beliefs, but why would she. im no genius on party politics but if she has plenty of funding (i assume they do) and delegates in their pocket why drop out.

[Scott7m]

not to question your beliefs, but why would she. im no genius on party politics but if she has plenty of funding (i assume they do) and delegates in their pocket why drop out.

to help the dem party get united together would be why.... if you simply count the number of tv ads placed by candiate it can be a good indicator of how much money they have. from what we're hearing clinton is far behind obama in endorsements and money to spend. I beleive that too.. seems everyday some big shot is jumping behind obama, no doubt slippin him a few million.

I donno if she'll drop out, but it wouldn't surprise me........ gotta wonder how long they will battle on and maybe end up dividing their own party further......

Imagine the turmoil if Obama wins all these states and then the delegates turn against him??????? can you imagine?

[Wildcat]

to help the dem party get united together would be why.... if you simply count the number of tv ads placed by candiate it can be a good indicator of how much money they have. from what we're hearing clinton is far behind obama in endorsements and money to spend. I beleive that too.. seems everyday some big shot is jumping behind obama, no doubt slippin him a few million.

I donno if she'll drop out, but it wouldn't surprise me........ gotta wonder how long they will battle on and maybe end up dividing their own party further......

Imagine the turmoil if Obama wins all these states and then the delegates turn against him??????? can you imagine?

She will not drop out unless she's really beat.

As for the super delegates, I've only heard of two moving from Hillary to Obama. If there's more the news is not reporting it.

As for endorsements and money, by law each person can only give up to $2,500 to each candidate each year. The same person can also give up to $2,500 to the party per year. Now that's giving money out of pocket. You can also buy fund raiser dinner tickets, which can cost $10,000 per person, you can buy as many as you want. Groups like MoveOn can pour millions of dollars in their own ads and other behind the sites dirty work.