Obama's wife...no way she just said that....

[Fat Tony]

This speach takes a turn for the sureal at the 17 second mark...

Nothing to be proud of America for over the last 25 years? Go away and take your husband with you. This boggles the mind. :mad:

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49244.html (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49244.html)

[turkeytalker]

This speach takes a turn for the sureal at the 17 second mark...

Nothing to be proud of America for over the last 25 years? Go away and take your husband with you. This boggles the mind. :mad:

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49244.html (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49244.html)


+1:mad:. hussein obama as CIC would be detrimental to this country.

[Duster]

Where in that do you hear or read that ?

What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."

[turkeytalker]

Where in that do you hear or read that ?

" And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.


Thats where i hear it

[Feedman]

open mouth and insert foot!!!

What a bunch of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wildcat]

" And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country."

That is coming from a woman who made $300,000 last year as a hospital administrator in Illinois while only working 40 days all year because she had to travel with her husband. It's all there in her income tax returns that her husband released.

She's 44 so that means in the 26 years she's been an adult she has not seen anything to be proud of her country, nothing.

[turkeytalker]

"I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."



Since when did "yes we can" become an issue?:confused:

[CUZZIN]

I guess she will be proud of this country IF her hubby gets in.

[Scott7m]

guys, i don't know.. we all are far right on this board, but her message would resonate with a lot of people in this country

McCain is looking week to me, for this reason. President Bush Sr. endorses him and then people start looking at him as the 3rd coming of president george w. ...... and people do not want that over all.

In the election McCain is going to have a tough job, he's gotta prove that he's conservative, at the same time, trying to distance himself from president george w. bush.

If anyone runs praising Bush, or even siding with him there going to be destroyed. Bush's approval ratings are through the floor, you can't side with someone that 65-70% of america see's as a bad president.

[turkeytalker]

guys, i don't know.. we all are far right on this board, but her message would resonate with a lot of people in this country

McCain is looking week to me, for this reason. President Bush Sr. endorses him and then people start looking at him as the 3rd coming of president george w. ...... and people do not want that over all.

In the election McCain is going to have a tough job, he's gotta prove that he's conservative, at the same time, trying to distance himself from president george w. bush.

If anyone runs praising Bush, or even siding with him there going to be destroyed. Bush's approval ratings are through the floor, you can't side with someone that 65-70% of america see's as a bad president.


I think you are wrong here,one of these days President GW Bush will be hailed in the likes Reagan is.

President Bush's approval rating is low because of his moderate governing.If anything McCain should run to the right of President Bush.


I'd give you 10-1 odds that if President Bush was running for reelection he would win.JMO

[redneck1377]

If Ba-rack Obama win, will his wife tell him what to do ? remember how bill c wife take command

[canemaker]

Yep, I agree, the Sr. Bush would win hands down...

The only thing that I know, and notice that I said "I", is that we don't want the two Dem's in office...Neither one of them will be good for what I believe in. Or as veteran, stand for.....I like my guns, I like the Pledge that includes the word "God", and I think the court house should be allowed to post the Ten Commandments...

Just my opinion...

[EKY.MTN.HUNTER]

guys, i don't know.. we all are far right on this board, but her message would resonate with a lot of people in this country

McCain is looking week to me, for this reason. President Bush Sr. endorses him and then people start looking at him as the 3rd coming of president george w. ...... and people do not want that over all.

In the election McCain is going to have a tough job, he's gotta prove that he's conservative, at the same time, trying to distance himself from president george w. bush.

If anyone runs praising Bush, or even siding with him there going to be destroyed. Bush's approval ratings are through the floor, you can't side with someone that 65-70% of america see's as a bad president.

Scott I think you are dead on man!

Turkey Talker, your nutts. President Bush has set the republican party back 20 years. The workings of his administration is the very reason the democrats were able to take over congress and many positions at various state levels. There is no way Bush would get re-elected if he were able to run for a third term.

[turkeytalker]

Scott I think you are dead on man!

Turkey Talker, your nutts. President Bush has set the republican party back 20 years. The workings of his administration is the very reason the democrats were able to take over congress and many positions at various state levels. There is no way Bush would get re-elected if he were able to run for a third term.


What workings?? Ain't you the same one who sent me that pm about the clown thing?:confused:

[Scott7m]

Scott I think you are dead on man!

Turkey Talker, your nutts. President Bush has set the republican party back 20 years. The workings of his administration is the very reason the democrats were able to take over congress and many positions at various state levels. There is no way Bush would get re-elected if he were able to run for a third term.

I know I'm right... President Bush reguardless of our personal opinions and even that of my own have nothing to do with the way america feels about him... President Bush is looked at by many americans that he's pretty much the anti-christ.

If McCain doesn't seperate himself from the Bush's he'll get slaughtered. The majority of americans something like 65% do not approve of him, that many don't approve of the war. It's hard to win the vote when your runnning on an agenda that already 65% of the people don't want to see.

The conservatives says he needs to move more to the right to get their votes, but to get the popular vote and to win the election I think he needs to maybe even slide a bit the other way. There is more americans that consider there self in the middle than they are that consider there selves true conservatives.

[redneck1377]

I know I'm right... President Bush reguardless of our personal opinions and even that of my own have nothing to do with the way america feels about him... If McCain doesn't seperate himself from the Bush's he'll get slaughtered. The majority of americans something like 65% do not approve of him, that many don't approve of the war. It's hard to win the vote when your runnning on an agenda that already 65% of the people don't want to see.

The conservatives says he needs to move more to the right to get their votes, but to get the popular vote and to win the election I think he needs to maybe even slide a bit the other way. There is more americans that consider there self in the middle than they are that consider there selves true conservatives.


President Bush is looked at by many americans that he's pretty much the anti-christ.


Bush the anti-CHRIST ,,,who are you kidding

[Willie]

Bush's approval ratings are through the floor, ...

The percent approval of congress is worse than Bush's...

Oooops.. Isn't Aboma, Hillary and McCain in the congress?

[killinmammals]

The percent approval of congress is worse than Bush's...

Oooops.. Isn't Aboma, Hillary and McCain in the congress?
I was kinda thinkin the same thing

[turkeytalker]

President Bush is looked at by many americans that he's pretty much the anti-christ.

If McCain doesn't seperate himself from the Bush's he'll get slaughtered. The majority of americans something like 65% do not approve of him, that many don't approve of the war. It's hard to win the vote when your runnning on an agenda that already 65% of the people don't want to see.

The conservatives says he needs to move more to the right to get their votes, but to get the popular vote and to win the election I think he needs to maybe even slide a bit the other way. There is more americans that consider there self in the middle than they are that consider there selves true conservatives.


What exactly scott are you saying?65% of people don't approve the war?What war have Americans approved of,?Please be concise.

I'm never concerned with the middle as if they can't stand for something,generally they are in a downward spiral.

Where did you get the figures that more Americans consider theirself in the "middle" than they consider theirselves true conservatives?


George W. Bush is about as middle as you can get,and thats why i said he would win again in this election,also why his approval ratings are so low.Middle ground is shaky ground.

[ky_bull]

Lets face it, there are very few presidents that were liked while in office. Im sure Abraham Lincoln wasnt the most poplular man of his time. The deadliest war on American ground was during his term, but how does the society view him today. Im not saying Bush will be held in high regard as Lincoln, but almost every president did something the majority of the country probaly didnt approve of. We just have it plastered in front of us nowadays with 24 hr news, blogs, internet, etc.... I gaurantee ya if you was to study the history of all the presidents you would be shocked at some of the things and wander how we ever elected them.

[Buford]

well said pat guy.
The big diff I see between Bush and his predecessor is I truly believe that while Bush has a mess on his hands that he is looking further down the road. Clinton didnt care past his next "liason".
Bush gives a damn about the struggle we are in with Islam and terrorists and right or wrong has tried to address it.
History will probably condemn his methods but I truly believe he acted out of an obligation to this struggle.

[Wildcat]

Lets face it, there are very few presidents that were liked while in office. Im sure Abraham Lincoln wasnt the most poplular man of his time. The deadliest war on American ground was during his term, but how does the society view him today. Im not saying Bush will be held in high regard as Lincoln, but almost every president did something the majority of the country probaly didnt approve of. We just have it plastered in front of us nowadays with 24 hr news, blogs, internet, etc.... I gaurantee ya if you was to study the history of all the presidents you would be shocked at some of the things and wander how we ever elected them.

Lincoln was the most hated man in America in 1864. The one and only reason he won re-election was the US Army voted for him in a majority of 9 to 1, those votes were send to their home states and were enough to turn those states to wins for him.

Lincoln kept firing populator generals that were well liked and the war didn't go well the first few years plus it was the bloodest war America had ever been in. Most of the North was ready to give up while he stayed the course.

[Wildcat]

As for the anti-Christ. I've said since 1992 that's Hillary but a unknown has appeared that's causing me to change my mind. Remember the anti-Christ will first come before us as a peace maker and once in power will pull the entire word into war. The anti-Christ laughts at 4,000 deaths, he will deal in millions up on millions of deaths in just a few months or less.

[Buford]

A man that can be elected to the senate, run for president, and receive support while refusing to respect the pledge of allegiance.
I'll never understand that.
No worries. Even McCain is better than him and will be your next president.
If not, I'm diggin a bunker and buyin an AK

[Scott7m]

you guys can say what you want but the people in america are fed up with bush and the war too.. Just look at all the polls that have been conducted

Yes congress has a very low approval rating as well, but there not the face of the country as is the president.

Bush has had a tough hand delt to him with out a doubt!!!! Most americans however are ready for something different, and with McCain hollering in Iraq for 100 years people don't want to hear that.

It is against our constitution as well, letting the United Nations and stuff like that decide whether we should go to war, also "nation building" thats something we should never be doing..

[ky_bull]

Theres is many things that I dont like about Hillary, many. But one of the latest is that she keeps touting here record against Obama, whom Im not crazy about either. She keep saying stuff like "just look at my record for the last 35 years" WTH does she meen by that. Just because she was the presidents wife makes her more qualify to be president. So if I was married to a surgeon Id be able to operate on individuals. Its clear theres only one reason that shes still with Bill, power. She touts being a strong liberal woman. How many women would stay with thier husbands after what "slick willy" did to her. And it wasnt just a one time incident with Monica. And then she has to move to New York to get voted in Congress. Theres is nothing about her I care for. As far as Im concern she can dissapear from the public. Oh, I have nothing against voting for a black man either, it just wont be for Obama.

[Scott7m]

Theres is many things that I dont like about Hillary, many. But one of the latest is that she keeps touting here record against Obama, whom Im not crazy about either. She keep saying stuff like "just look at my record for the last 35 years" WTH does she meen by that. Just because she was the presidents wife makes her more qualify to be president. So if I was married to a surgeon Id be able to operate on individuals. Its clear theres only one reason that shes still with Bill, power. She touts being a strong liberal woman. How many women would stay with thier husbands after what "slick willy" did to her. And it wasnt just a one time incident with Monica. And then she has to move to New York to get voted in Congress. Theres is nothing about her I care for. As far as Im concern she can dissapear from the public. Oh, I have nothing against voting for a black man either, it just wont be for Obama.


You can't bring up personal issues though, everyone has skeletons in their closets, there is just as many stories about "song bird McCain"

[ky_bull]

You can't bring up personal issues though, everyone has skeletons in their closets, there is just as many stories about "song bird McCain"

I agree, most personal matters should be left out. But they shouldnt be throwing stones in glass houses.

[bowhunter08]

I think you are wrong here,one of these days President GW Bush will be hailed in the likes Reagan is.

President Bush's approval rating is low because of his moderate governing.If anything McCain should run to the right of President Bush.


I'd give you 10-1 odds that if President Bush was running for reelection he would win.JMO

I agree. Clinton had it easy during his term as far as economics. In my opinion he rode the coat tails of Reagan, and George Bush Sr. They had a lot of things set in place that took off about the time that he got in the office.

[ky_bull]

It is against our constitution as well, letting the United Nations and stuff like that decide whether we should go to war, also "nation building" thats something we should never be doing..

Too late for that, we have been building nations for years. And I doubt itll change anytime soon. As long as theres something for us to gain from it.

[KYDUX]

take a little look at Obama's gun rights voting record and you should see the change he is looking for along with government controlled health care

http://www.nssf.org/08election/index.cfm?candidate=Obama

[turkeytalker]

I agree. Clinton had it easy during his term as far as economics. In my opinion he rode the coat tails of Reagan, and George Bush Sr. They had a lot of things set in place that took off about the time that he got in the office.


And a bowhunter to boot!!!:D:D

[bowhunter08]

And a bowhunter to boot!!!:D:D

What can i say.:D

[turkeytalker]

Yes congress has a very low approval rating as well, but there not the face of the country as is the president.

It is against our constitution as well, letting the United Nations and stuff like that decide whether we should go to war, also "nation building" thats something we should never be doing..


Congress is not the face of the country?TRY AGAIN


United Nations deciding we should go to war? WITH WHOM


NATION BUILDING? We definately should not be involved in that but again please explain your point:confused:.

[Scott7m]

Congress is not the face of the country?TRY AGAIN


United Nations deciding we should go to war? WITH WHOM


NATION BUILDING? We definately should not be involved in that but again please explain your point:confused:.

no the president IS the face of the country, whatever happens on his watch he gets the blame for DUH......

Everytime a conflict arises we go to the united nations voting on it, instead of doing like our constitution says.

Nation building, Umm yeah.. Afghanistan, and Iraq..

My point is people are tired of war, they all feel like bush made up all the stuff about Iraq, but they do feel we should have went after Bin Laden.

turkey talker, no matter how you want to cut it, people do not like bush. That is my main point, the stuff that bush and people like bush are trying to do isn't popular. Am I saying that makes it wrong? NOOOOOO, just saying it won't get you elected

[turkeytalker]

no the president IS the face of the country, whatever happens on his watch he gets the blame for DUH......

Everytime a conflict arises we go to the united nations voting on it, instead of doing like our constitution says.

Nation building, Umm yeah.. Afghanistan, and Iraq..

My point is people are tired of war, they all feel like bush made up all the stuff about Iraq, but they do feel we should have went after Bin Laden.

turkey talker, no matter how you want to cut it, people do not like bush. That is my main point, the stuff that bush and people like bush are trying to do isn't popular. Am I saying that makes it wrong? NOOOOOO, just saying it won't get you elected

I'M RESPONDING

[turkeytalker]

no the president IS the face of the country, whatever happens on his watch he gets the blame for DUH......

Everytime a conflict arises we go to the united nations voting on it, instead of doing like our constitution says.

Nation building, Umm yeah.. Afghanistan, and Iraq..

My point is people are tired of war, they all feel like bush made up all the stuff about Iraq, but they do feel we should have went after Bin Laden.

turkey talker, no matter how you want to cut it, people do not like bush. That is my main point, the stuff that bush and people like bush are trying to do isn't popular. Am I saying that makes it wrong? NOOOOOO, just saying it won't get you elected


Thought about it yet Scott? What you are saying?

[turkeytalker]

Thought about it yet Scott? What you are saying?


What is your strongest argument?

[ky_bull]

I think turkeytalker has finally lost it. Hes now arguing with himself.

[turkeytalker]

I think turkeytalker has finally lost it. Hes now arguing with himself.

I think your right:eek:

[turkeytalker]

I think turkeytalker has finally lost it. Hes now arguing with himself.


Will someone tell me how you respond to each point?I like Scott,he just needs my help:rolleyes::D

[Scott7m]

I think turkeytalker has finally lost it. Hes now arguing with himself.

I agree.. LOL....... either that or ran out of things to say. You can't deny that people overall do not like the direction of the country. The democratic party is really energized! Big time!

I think you've gotta be able to somehow appeal to both sides to get the nomination, the dems will have a tough time doing that, but not as hard as McCain will patting Bush on the back.

[Scott7m]

Will someone tell me how you respond to each point?I like Scott,he just needs my help:rolleyes::D

don't need your help i don't think........ i don't get how you don't see my point

unless you like bush so well that you think everyone else feels the same...

i like him to, but i can see how people would be upset with his direction, and McCain is leaning towards Bush in the categories that people don't want to touch

[turkeytalker]

no the president IS the face of the country, whatever happens on his watch he gets the blame for DUH......

DUH? the president was never ever supposed the be the voice of the people DUH

Everytime a conflict arises we go to the united nations voting on it, instead of doing like our constitution says.

when was the last time we done this?

Nation building, Umm yeah.. Afghanistan, and Iraq..

nah,not really,just the same we've done for several years now,you figure it out

My point is people are tired of war, they all feel like bush made up all the stuff about Iraq, but they do feel we should have went after Bin Laden.


we did go after obama bin laden,hell he's dying of kidney failure are we supposed to piss Pakistan off in the process of letting osama die?Why didn't the previous admin. go after him?

turkey talker, no matter how you want to cut it, people do not like bush. That is my main point, the stuff that bush and people like bush are trying to do isn't popular. Am I saying that makes it wrong? NOOOOOO, just saying it won't get you elected

elected by who?President Bush was reelected have you forgot?

LIKE I SAID BEFORE,President Bush's main fault is his "moderate governing"




See i didnt do it right

[Scott7m]

turkey talker, how the heck do you know if he has anything wrong with his kidney's? Because the news said so? C"mon

he was in afghanistan when we went in, but since they didn't use enough troops he did slip through the mountains, who knows where he's at..........

what do you mean by moderate government?

republicans are supposed to be for small government and tight spending, he is totally opposite

[turkeytalker]

turkey talker, how the heck do you know if he has anything wrong with his kidney's? Because the news said so? C"mon

he was in afghanistan when we went in, but since they didn't use enough troops he did slip through the mountains, who knows where he's at..........

what do you mean by moderate government?

republicans are supposed to be for small government and tight spending, he is totally opposite


Okay if he doesn't have anything wrong with his kidneys:rolleyes:,he's got to be getting pretty old,i mean he ran roughshod over the klinton admin. for all those years after Somalia.

The rest is self explanatory,he has ran a mainstream moderate -liberal gov.,his approval rating reflects this alot more than it does Iraq or anything else you spew.Liberals are falling by the wayside just ask hillary,my problem is alot (maybe you) can be swayed by the biggest liberal of the bunch barack hussein osama.

I'm just asking you the policies of the Bush admin. you think will cost republicans this election,you have not answered.I think McCain is beat because he is a weak candidate,only because he will try to be Dole Part II,stay away from the middle,only deadbeats there.

[BurleyDog]

Just wondering....
are there any Democrats on here :p

[Scott7m]

Just wondering....
are there any Democrats on here :p

hmmmmmmmmm................. Lord I hope not haha

[Ky'sFinest]

Quit fighting and vote for Ron Paul.;)

[redneck1377]

I do not have any idea who will move into the president office but I believe that the new president will be the right man for GOD'S plan

[Jim in Annville]

I would vote for GW in a heartbeat if i could. I feel he is definitely the lesser of the evils and he definitely better than anything we have running this time. But just like i told my son I don't like McCain I feel like he is a DEMOPUBLICAN. But when i go in the voting booth I will hold my nose and pull the lever for him. Lesser of two evils!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know it sucks that we as a people have let our country get so corrupt that these are our only two choices for a leader.:mad:

[Scott7m]

I do not have any idea who will move into the president office but I believe that the new president will be the right man for GOD'S plan

your probably right, one step closer to armageddon!!!!

[huntr467]

On one show I was watching they were comparing Obama's wife to Jaqueline Kennedy!! and I have heard multiple comparisons of Barack to JFK.
So if that's the case, maybe we should be concerned with who his running mate is gonna be. If it's Hillary... well then let the conspiracies games begin again.

[Valley Station]

The Clintons have a history of "removing witnesses or the competition".
The name of the now deceased, Ron Brown, comes to mind.

[redneck1377]

your probably right, one step closer to armageddon!!!!


the different between the steps that we take when walking on smooth ice are small compare to the steps taken on the moon [ similar to taking a flying leap ] I am hoping that I am taking the correct size of step

[semperhunting]

Because the news said so? C"mon


By that rationale, how can you say "X number of people don't like President Bush." Why? "Because the news said so?" I'd be willing to bet that a vast majority of folks on here have NEVER been polled. I know I haven't. If that's the case then how can 65% of Americans not like the job he's doing? I guess if it's 65% of the people in Atlanta or New York City it must be 65% of Americans.

[corndogggy]

You gotta keep in mind that the biggest selling point of his campaign is "change". They're trying to talk people into agreeing that they are sick of the way that this country has been ran, trying to explain that with Obama you're not going to get more of the same. She just explained that in a rather stupid way.

[redneck1377]

By that rationale, how can you say "X number of people don't like President Bush." Why? "Because the news said so?" If that's the case then how can 65% of Americans not like the job he's doing? I guess if it's 65% of the people in Atlanta or New York City it must be 65% of Americans.


I'd be willing to bet that a vast majority of folks on here have NEVER been polled. I know I haven't.

I had not been polled either, whom do the poll takers get their information from ?

[grouseguy]

Just wondering....
are there any Democrats on here :p

Actually there are quite a few ... many more than you would expect ... personally, I'm supporting Obama at this point. I was originally hoping for an Edwards/Obama ticket, but I think I can support an Obama/Edwards ticket, too.

I no longer argue politics here at kentuckyhunting.net, for much the same reason that I don't deer hunt anymore either ... there just isn't much "sport" in it. However, I do check in at times solely for the entertainment value.

[huntr467]

I no longer argue politics here at kentuckyhunting.net, for much the same reason that I don't deer hunt anymore either ... there just isn't much "sport" in it. However, I do check in at times solely for the entertainment value.

I wish you would have included IMO or for me or something to that extent but since you didn't, define sport.

And I would agree there are more Democrats on here than we think.

[Duster]

I do check in at times solely for the entertainment value.


That's a great quote....I also like to check in every now and then to see the same Democrat bashing posters run wild and give that chicken little saying the sky is falling speach over and over again. How anyone could vote for a man that says he is willing to commit your great grandchild to attempt to solve Iraq's civil war is beyond me...IRAQ another 100 Years....that is a joke from Songbird is it not.

As far as the topic of this thread I can't help but agree with her to a point. Here we are supposed to be the greatest country on earth but seem to be worried more about things we have no buisness being involved in and it cost each and everyone of us daily and will for years to come. It sure seems like this country has/is been going backwards for a lot of years.

[Scott7m]

It's beyond me how someone can supposively appreciate our hunting heritage and right to bear arms, and then support a left wing nut job like Hillary or Obama..

It's like wiping before you poop, it doesn't make sense!

Probably just going on what their union told them to do.

[mgpatty]

That's a great quote....I also like to check in every now and then to see the same Democrat bashing posters run wild and give that chicken little saying the sky is falling speach over and over again. How anyone could vote for a man that says he is willing to commit your great grandchild to attempt to solve Iraq's civil war is beyond me...IRAQ another 100 Years....that is a joke from Songbird is it not.

As far as the topic of this thread I can't help but agree with her to a point. Here we are supposed to be the greatest country on earth but seem to be worried more about things we have no buisness being involved in and it cost each and everyone of us daily and will for years to come. It sure seems like this country has/is been going backwards for a lot of years.

I don't think it's so much of a question as to if America wants to be involved overseas for the next 100 years. It's more of a question as to whether or not other countries in that region of the world will continue to hate us for the liberties and values we stand for.

[corndogggy]

Well, to the guys who are highly insulted by her remarks, what would you say that we SHOULD be proud of? Just wondering what the responses would be. If you highly disagree that we have nothing to be proud of as a nation in the past 25 years, then you should have a long list of things. What are they? I don't think I've seen any posted yet. I'm not saying we don't, but at the same time, it should be real easy to quickly get a long list of items that aren't easily debatable based on the comments here.

[Scott7m]

I don't think it's so much of a question as to if America wants to be involved overseas for the next 100 years. It's more of a question as to whether or not other countries in that region of the world will continue to hate us for the liberties and values we stand for.

do you really beleive that? they hate us because of our freedoms? get real......... they hate us because we're over there playing world bully, telling them what they can and can not do, always sticking our nose into countries business that we really have no part in.. most of which is against are constitution..

we hand israel money and turn around and hand the palestinians money to keep them.. then they fight back and fourth...... Why do we hold israel's hand and give them so much money?? It's alright to be someone's ally but why buy an ally? People say well israel will never be defeated because of what the bible says, well if you truly beleive that then you shouldn't worry about not funding them out the wahoo.

[mgpatty]

do you really beleive that? they hate us because of our freedoms? get real......... they hate us because we're over there playing world bully, telling them what they can and can not do, always sticking our nose into countries business that we really have no part in.. most of which is against are constitution..

we hand israel money and turn around and hand the palestinians money to keep them.. then they fight back and fourth...... Why do we hold israel's hand and give them so much money?? It's alright to be someone's ally but why buy an ally? People say well israel will never be defeated because of what the bible says, well if you truly beleive that then you shouldn't worry about not funding them out the wahoo.

You sir, are so very wrong if you truly believe that liberal properganda. I suggest you do a little research on Radical Islamists and report back on what you find. You might be surprised to find out that some of what you hold dear as a American is just the opposite of what they believe in. You seem to have very narrow view of global politics. We are in the Middle East for many reasons, the very least of which is some sort of 'trilaterail, one world government, christian-based view that Israel must be defended because of religious beliefs:rolleyes: If you are a believer in the bible and the role Israel will play, then you know that God doesn't need our help to direct policy in the Middle East.

Like it or not, Isolationism does not work in today's world.

[corndogggy]

Like it or not, Isolationism does not work in today's world.

Building lots of bases near places where we're not wanted apparently doesn't work either.

[mgpatty]

Building lots of bases near places where we're not wanted apparently doesn't work either.

Dunno about that, that whole German thingy in the 40's seems to have worked out ok.

[yote hunter]

here is my answer to obamas wife.http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/02/19/mark-levin-tells-michelle-obama-stop-putting-down-my-country

[Scott7m]

Dunno about that, that whole German thingy in the 40's seems to have worked out ok.

umm that was a war done right... when you go to war, you bomb them til no end and then help em get back on their feet and leave, just like in japan, you don't stay there for 100 years holding their hand..

As far as what I said earlier being liberal propaganda? Ummmmm thats not liberal propaganda at all.. Ron Paul is about the farthest thing from a liberal and he agrees with that 100%.....

as far as doing research on islam, lol most of what you'll find is what u.s people right about them.. I beleive that as a whole the muslim community is a good group, with a few nut jobs in it..

[Duster]

Dunno about that, that whole German thingy in the 40's seems to have worked out ok.


Then your not aware of the German goverment wanting US bases closed. So it don't seem to work out OK. I think right now there are two army bases set for closeing in the next couple years and more to follow. In fact several US military bases overseas are on that list.

[mgpatty]

Then your not aware of the German goverment wanting US bases closed. So it don't seem to work out OK. I think right now there are two army bases set for closeing in the next couple years and more to follow. In fact several US military bases overseas are on that list.
Correct, but this is 2008. What preceded those bases being orginally built? Had we followed a policy of isolationism back in the 1940s (as many in this country wanted) we may very well be speaking German now. It did, indeed, work out ok. You and I are living proof of that.

[Duster]

It's beyond me how someone can supposively appreciate our hunting heritage and right to bear arms, and then support a left wing nut job like Hillary or Obama..

It's like wiping before you poop, it doesn't make sense!

Probably just going on what their union told them to do.

Scott not sure how old your are but in my lifetime there has been both partys in control and nobody has came knocking on my door wanting my gun's. No politicion has tried to stop me from hunting. I find it funny no matter what the republician supporters bring this up each election. Kinda like I said reminds me of the Chicken little story about the sky is falling.

[mgpatty]

Scott not sure how old your are but in my lifetime there has been both partys in control and nobody has came knocking on my door wanting my gun's. No politicion has tried to stop me from hunting. I find it funny no matter what the republician supporters bring this up each election. Kinda like I said reminds me of the Chicken little story about the sky is falling.

Or the story about the Ostridge sticking his head in the sand...........

[Scott7m]

Scott not sure how old your are but in my lifetime there has been both partys in control and nobody has came knocking on my door wanting my gun's. No politicion has tried to stop me from hunting. I find it funny no matter what the republician supporters bring this up each election. Kinda like I said reminds me of the Chicken little story about the sky is falling.

Do you really beleive that the democrats aren't for gun control? Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't.. Obama votes against gun owners every chance he gets, even against a man to protect his family with an intruder "in his home"

Hussein Obama is not for me..

[Duster]

Correct, but this is 2008. What preceded those bases being orginally built? Had we followed a policy of isolationism back in the 1940s (as many in this country wanted) we may very well be speaking German now. It did, indeed, work out ok. You and I are living proof of that.

That seems to be the problem...As you said this is 2008 not 1940 things are differant now than then. Just the other day when the new's of Castro stepping down the Bush responce was wishing for a democratic goverment same as he wants in Iraq and IMO will never get in 100 years. Now do we send the US military to Cuba to help those poor souls out or stay out of their business instead of trying to force their way of thinking to suit the USA.

[Duster]

Do you really beleive that the democrats aren't for gun control? Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't.. Obama votes against gun owners every chance he gets, even against a man to protect his family with an intruder "in his home"

Hussein Obama is not for me..

Scott one man is not going to make a differance. Obama is a politicion from Illinois that state is like two differant countrys, southern and northern. In order to get elected in northern Illinois it is a given that you must be somewhat against unlimited firearms thats just the way it works. Believe me there are plenty of republicans in Northern Illinois that vote anti firearm each chance they get just to try and keep a easy job...:D

[mgpatty]

That seems to be the problem...As you said this is 2008 not 1940 things are differant now than then. Just the other day when the new's of Castro stepping down the Bush responce was wishing for a democratic goverment same as he wants in Iraq and IMO will never get in 100 years. Now do we send the US military to Cuba to help those poor souls out or stay out of their business instead of trying to force their way of thinking to suit the USA.

You cannot compare the politics of Cuba to that of the Middle East. It is like comparing apples to oranges. Military action against Cuba is laughable. It's much more of a humanitarian issue. Think of Castro as a hurricane that has lasted for almost forty years.

You're right this is 2008, not 1941. However, evil knows no timeline. It is the one constant throughout history. Evil triumphs when good men (and nations) do nothing.

[Duster]

You cannot compare the politics of Cuba to that of the Middle East. It is like comparing apples to oranges. Military action against Cuba is laughable. It's much more of a humanitarian issue. Think of Castro as a hurricane that has lasted for almost forty years.

You're right this is 2008, not 1941. However, evil knows no timeline. It is the one constant throughout history. Evil triumphs when good men (and nations) do nothing.


Both goverments are not ran in a democratic way so I see that as apples to apples. Military action against Cuba... we been down that road more than once over the years. I guess my main problem with the entire mess is the US Military having to be policemen for a civil war with out help for the most part from those who are supposed to be in this with us. Who do you think we are fooling other than ourselves that or militarys presents will make any differance if we leave now or 200 years from now. Anyone who can say they feel the USA is safer now than pre Iraq invasion really needs to rethink that position.

[slickhead slayer]

Scott not sure how old your are but in my lifetime there has been both partys in control and nobody has came knocking on my door wanting my gun's. No politicion has tried to stop me from hunting. I find it funny no matter what the republician supporters bring this up each election. Kinda like I said reminds me of the Chicken little story about the sky is falling.

Bear hunts have been stopped, cougar hunts, dove hunts, etc, etc. There are organizations that want to stop hunting, and they have been succesful in some states and with some species.
As far as guns. The man voted against the right of a man to protect himself and his family within the confines of his OWN freaking home. The residents of New Orleans were stripped of their firearms.
It might not have happened directly to you, but its happened. Its not a chicken little story, it has actually happened. Some of you are so naive that you won't believe it until they come to your door to take them away.

[AteUp]

Illinois has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Guess where the latest shooting spree took place?

[barney]

Illinois has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Guess where the latest shooting spree took place?
Illinois?..

[thunderchicken09]

Just like Ted says if everyone had a gun then that wouldnt happen.

[bowhunter08]

Bear hunts have been stopped, cougar hunts, dove hunts, etc, etc. There are organizations that want to stop hunting, and they have been succesful in some states and with some species.
As far as guns. The man voted against the right of a man to protect himself and his family within the confines of his OWN freaking home. The residents of New Orleans were stripped of their firearms.
It might not have happened directly to you, but its happened. Its not a chicken little story, it has actually happened. Some of you are so naive that you won't believe it until they come to your door to take them away.

That is true. I think that a lot of people have seem to forgot about these things that have happened. Might be time to open up the old eyes and take a look around.

[BadDuck]

Since when did "yes we can" become an issue?:confused:

Isnt that the theme to "Bob the builder"?

If this clown gets in we might as well turn over our guns on inaugeration day.

[Auk1124]

IMO no politician from Illinois, regardless of party, has any business being President of the country. Or California, or New York, for that matter.

Obama couldn't grab guns on his own, he'd need Congess to do it. And right now this Congress seems incapable of telling their butts from holes in the ground, so maybe all will be well. :D

[wademup]

[quote=Scott7m;550607]you guys can say what you want but the people in america are fed up with bush and the war too.. Just look at all the polls that have been conducte.[/quote


Once upon a time a man named Pilate took a poll,the majority chose Barabbus,nuff said about polls.

Wademup

[redneck1377]

THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA ARE NOT FEED UP WITH BUSH AND THE WAR , JUST SOME PEOPLE, why , do they make more money if bush and the war stop

[GWP]

It's beyond me ...

I think that is obvious ... :rolleyes:

[Scott7m]

lol if you all think that the majority of the people approve of the war or president bush your seriously off upstairs...

Even here in KY you can walk in any restaraunt and over hear people talking about how they don't want the war or bush...

you die hards can deny it if you want..........

not saying I think bus has done a bad job, just saying that since bad things happened on his watch and were sometimes handled in a so so manner that everyone blames him for it..

I don't know of a day thats went by in the last 2 years that someone didn't come into our shop for a repair of some kind that someone through out the day didn't start on how they could afford it more if bush wasn't around, or just talking bad about bush or the war.. it's an everyday thing!

not saying i agree with them, but you can't deny it...

[redneck1377]

scott, do you think that the majorty of america I Q is in the same range,same interestes , same amount of money in the bank