Conspiracy theory!??!

[Scott7m]

I'm posting this to see what the average american thinks of such stories, as bohemian grove, new world order, and stuff of that nature.

Not trying to cause a fight or impose views, simply having a discussion along with a poll.

[Scott7m]

I thought that stuff such as the North American union was mostly BS, I've started to read into it more doing my own research and am becoming worried. What first caught my attention was when Ron Paul started talking about how both sides were working toward the goal of a north american union. He also started talking about that there were plans on the table for the "Amero" currency.

I really don't know what to think of all this, and am simply looking for others opinions. When there is a wealth of legitimate information out there, and a ton of BS, it's hard to seperate fact from fiction. When you hear someone like Ron Paul confirming that the government is throwing ideas like this around it really makes you wonder.

LETS NOT BASH OTHERS FOR THEIR VIEWS ON THIS...... STATE YOUR OPINION AND DISCUSS BUT DON'T CUT OTHERS DOWN!!

My stance on the issue is that I really don't know, but find it very interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

[Scott7m]

Here is Lou Dobbs talking about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

[BiggerBuck]

Alot of the things that you mentioned are not conspiracies.
There is a plan to construct a North American Union. Look up the Security and Prospierty Partnership of North America (SPP), Just another name.
This is why GW has had no intention on solving the illegal immigration crisis

I do not know for sure if Bohemia Grove is real since i have never been there but i would not doubt it's existence. that heads of state get together to worship an owl seems kinda weird but so does it being on our dollar bill. You have to look very hard to see it, its on the top right corner to the left of the one. Not to mention Novus Ordo Seclorum (New World Order) on the back of the bill, yeah kinda creepy.

Who knows how much control the powers to be want over us in this new world, that is when the real conspiracies come to play ( like the Verichip)

[BiggerBuck]

We have every right not to believe a single thing our government or media tells us is true. At first you think that they are just a bunch of idiots then once you see the agenda you find out that we are the idiots for allowing it all to happen.
Look at our Presidential candidates. all but Ron Paul have ties to the CFR and Trilateral Commission.
We fight back and forth about gay marriage and abortion etc.. while NAFTA and this NAU stuff passes us by.

It's easy to get sucked into these conspiracy theories because so much stuff about our government just doesnt make sense. Who knows what to believe anymore.

[Scott7m]

Well, when you sit back and look at what's going on in the world.. Read up about verichip and the supposed plans for the NWO and one world government where everyone is under control..

The scary part is that a lot of what there saying is kind of played out in the book of revelations.

If the plans for the North american union are so plain to some, you'd think that when the public sees whats going on they would march on washington and probably get gased or something. If it's all true..

It's like they all give us something to argue and pee and moan about while they do their own thing.

[trader rob]

i say after you mix the populations then what will borders mean, nothing. besides we have used pretty heavily on our resources why not use the ones north and south. the only thing i hate is more influxes rarely pulls quality up, usually drags it down.

[Scott7m]

i say after you mix the populations then what will borders mean, nothing. besides we have used pretty heavily on our resources why not use the ones north and south. the only thing i hate is more influxes rarely pulls quality up, usually drags it down.

Well if they do that they have to abolish the constitution, which no one seems to care about anymore, even though when they take office it is their sworn duty to uphold the constitution. If things like this get to that point, talk about suprression, stalin like censorship, scary stuff.

I thought if things get like this I'd leave the country but there is also an asian union, eu union, afircan union.. no place to go really.

Anyone ever see the movie V for vendetta, the people rise up against totalirism?

[Hammer]

I argue almost daily on another board with a 'truther' who believes our government was responsible for 911, there is no Osama bin Laden, those were not commercial airliners that hit the towers, and etc. other nonsense. It's a total grasping at straws, and it has consumed his life.

this is Bill Clinton shooting down a truther. At least this is one thing that both sides can agree on and that only fringe lunatics keep barking about. http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4221699 (http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4221699)

[Scott7m]

I argue almost daily on another board with a 'truther' who believes our government was responsible for 911, there is no Osama bin Laden, those were not commercial airliners that hit the towers, and etc. other nonsense. It's a total grasping at straws, and it has consumed his life.

this is Bill Clinton shooting down a truther. At least this is one thing that both sides can agree on and that only fringe lunatics keep barking about. http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4221699 (http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4221699)

there are questions that could be answered, that have nothing to do with conspiracy theories though.... stuff that is public knowledge that people won't force the issue on.

1. Ever since the beginning of Norad it was in control of the military, On june 1st, 2001 Dick cheney and rumsfeld had it changed to where cheney had the say so.

2. With an airforce base 15 miles from the pentagon you think that 90 minutes wasn't enough time to patrol the skies?

3. It is common knowledge, the government don't even try to hide the fact that on 9/11 they wre playing war games all up and down the east coast simulating terror attacks.. But yet when questioned, they could have never imagined that it would really happen.

4. Why did Cheney wait to deploy aircraft for so long, and then tell only allow them to fly below the speed of sound.

There is so much stuff out there that "the good ole boy" don't want to beleive, yet doesn't have enough sense to question.

You can say that the north american union and the amero and 9/11 theories are all BS, but there is information out there available to the public that will raise more than enough questions to really make you wonder where you stand in the world.

Then it goes back again to, well this has already been predicted in the bible...

[Scott7m]

you can also do some research on marvin bush, don't just watch videos that claim things, but look things up....... marvin bush had security contracts that expired the morning of september 11th, just a coincidence? i don't know but it's enough to raise my alert meter.

the security contract isn't bs, it's public information we can all view.

[lonesomepine]

I believe if they were "all" out to get me,I'd go hide in that cave with the black panther.

Fact is all these politicians are out to line their pockets and will sell our own country out to do so,in the old days they would have took them out and hung them for treason or out least tar and feathered them.Too many of our rights are being stripped away little by little,too much by both democrats and republican's of catering to minority votes,majority just stands around twiddling their thumbs, looking like bewildered sheep.

What we need is a good rebellion,but it's hard to do without any backers.

[Scott7m]

I believe if they were "all" out to get me,I'd go hide in that cave with the black panther.

Fact is all these politicians are out to line their pockets and will sell our own country out to do so,in the old days they would have took them out and hung them for treason or out least tar and feathered them.Too many of our rights are being stripped away little by little,too much by both democrats and republican's of catering to minority votes,majority just stands around twiddling their thumbs, looking like bewildered sheep.

What we need is a good rebellion,but it's hard to do without any backers.


so one moment you go after me, cutting me down... then the next you turn around and agreee that your civil liberties are being taken away little by little and you stil think there couldn't be nothing behind that besides a politician wanting to line their pockets......

what can you say about the vchip?? Pretty much a guarantee if you beleive in the bible...

[Art]

I voted for BS, twice.

[Scott7m]

I voted for BS, twice.

Are you saying there is no plans in U.S. government for the Amero? Or for a north american union?

[yote hunter]

Are you saying there is no plans in U.S. government for the Amero? Or for a north american union?
name me one elected official that has said he was for this in public or private?the reason ron paulls campaign doesnt go any where is that he believes in a lot of this wacko stuff.he has a lot of good ideas about restoring the constitution but hes also a nut job.

[Scott7m]

name me one elected official that has said he was for this in public or private?the reason ron paulls campaign doesnt go any where is that he believes in a lot of this wacko stuff.he has a lot of good ideas about restoring the constitution but hes also a nut job.

well, it's whatever you want to think... a lot of the stuff you guys say don't exsist is public record, such as the amero, and the north american union. no wacko needed.

the hardest people to convince of the happenings of the world are christians, the same christians that read the book of revelations and try not to think that it's actually going to happen..

I'm still on the fence about this stuff, but to sit back and just assume that it couldn't be real because the news didn't tell me it was... It's hilarious.. The most dangerous situation in the world would be when all people turn to their government for protection, because that just means more and more liberties that we give up until it's all gone.

[Scott7m]

a lot of people are screaming bs with no more behind it than what the news says:

I want to here your side..

why was norad changed on june 1st to let the vice pres be in charge??? after like 40 years?? hmm.. conincidence? i donno you tell me

marvin bush security/defense contracts.. ???? just another coincidence, that the expired the morning of 9/11.... he was in charge of security at the world trade center complex as well as dullus.

why was norad simulating a terrorist attack that very morning, for the same case? then our officials said they had no idea that it could really happen.......

there is a list of questions a mile long that no one has ever given an answer to..... the stuff listed above isn't factual or even a conspiracy, it's all on the public record and you can find all of it for yourselves.

[Art]

JMO, but to think the US govt. was behind the 9/11 attacks is beyond foolish to me. That whole idea came about from people who hate Bush so much that they are willing to deny the facts and evidence so long as they can blame Bush for something else.

There was even a show on the history channel about this very topic. It listed all of these theories and then proved how and why they could not be true. IMO, you'd have to be pretty damn ignorant to somehow come to the conclusion that the US attacked itself, but the world has no shortage of fools.

If you guys are really into this crap for whatever reason, look up chemtrails. It's another one of these "New World Order" lines of thinking.

[tenntucky]

No facts no research just an obsevation;
What if a long time ago when the US declared independence from a Country sporting a Red Coat army after a bitter protest and war. Well what if that country never really quit trying to obtain the "New World"?
Maybe they never lost control of it in the first place?! But what if over a period of a couple hundred years they have gotten enough people in the right places to actualy think it might be feasible to take over again (or regain control if you will)...nice word for "Take Over" is "Merge". What if we merge into a urodollar backed society. The money rules the land ..always has. Give up your treasure and you have nothing left to protect. What if we did merge into this big conglomeration and after a while we decided ...This ain't working. Now what? Divorce could get Uggly.
Them England folks are used to being ruled by one king (Family).....Every kingdom wants to rule the world. If we lose this country it's going to be in economics, controled by big money. Anyway...It might just be a conspiracy:confused: I'ts raining here in N.Ga. I'm stuck inside...don't go out in the rain much less it's hunting season:D

[Scott7m]

No facts no research just an obsevation;
What if a long time ago when the US declared independence from a Country sporting a Red Coat army after a bitter protest and war. Well what if that country never really quit trying to obtain the "New World"?
Maybe they never lost control of it in the first place?! But what if over a period of a couple hundred years they have gotten enough people in the right places to actualy think it might be feasible to take over again (or regain control if you will)...nice word for "Take Over" is "Merge". What if we merge into a urodollar backed society. The money rules the land ..always has. Give up your treasure and you have nothing left to protect. What if we did merge into this big conglomeration and after a while we decided ...This ain't working. Now what? Divorce could get Uggly.
Them England folks are used to being ruled by one king (Family).....Every kingdom wants to rule the world. If we lose this country it's going to be in economics, controled by big money. Anyway...It might just be a conspiracy:confused: I'ts raining here in N.Ga. I'm stuck inside...don't go out in the rain much less it's hunting season:D

lol it's hard telling whats going on if anything...... EU has already happened, they have there euro. Doesn't the good book tell us that the world will have one currency or something like that?

[Ky'sFinest]

you guys need to relax...


last time i checked we are still in the good ol USA.

gotta watch those conspiracy theory guys, like someone said earlier they have been know to cloud the facts.

some think that we never went to the moon...

I say get up do what you want legal or not and enjoy your life before its gone. If everybody practices this mentality than gov would have a hard time "controlling" us.

[mgpatty]

Why would the government need to conspire to take away our civil liberties? We freely give them away by never holding our elected officials accountable. We are too worried if the Dems or Repubican are guarding the henhouse, meanwhile the fox is running away with the Hens (your rights). Sadly, it all too often comes down to voting for the less of two evils, so to speak. However, I place the blame for this with Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Public for they often times vote the "henhouse mentality" at the local level. Local politics does matter. What happens at the local level affects the national political landscape. Your vote matters, locally and nationally.

On a side note, I find it almost amusing that those (not pointing fingers on this board, I'm speaking in general terms) who claim Bush pulled off one the greatest acts of conspiratorial terrorism that this world has ever seen are often times the same folks who claim that Bush is a bumbling idiot.

[PhilpotHunter]

Security and Prospierty Partnership of North America (SPP)
http://www.spp.gov/

This is not a myth, it is fact. Do some research on this group, that is being co-funded by our goverment. The possiblities are a little frightening. Also explains why nothing is being done by either side to stop illegal immigration.

[Ky'sFinest]

osama bin laden started a political domino effect.

i don't really see that spp is dangerous to our sovereignty. what is dangerous is the fact the americans are so scared of "terrorism" lurking around every corner.

globalization is here, would you rather jobs leave to india or leave to mexico or canada.

its like voting, you have to go with the lesser of two evils.

[PhilpotHunter]

Research the guys contected with the SPP and see what else they are involved in. Look at some of there quotes over the last few years. Tell me then it is nothing to be worried about.

[Scott7m]

Research the guys contected with the SPP and see what else they are involved in. Look at some of there quotes over the last few years. Tell me then it is nothing to be worried about.

what are you talking about? this is the good OL U S of A!!!!!

the founder of the federal reserve way back when predicted said all plans were to work towards a world government!

[huntr467]

interesting read...The Enemy Unmasked...by Bill Hughes.

note I said interesting read. didn't say I believed one way or the other.

[Wildcat]

Some people will beleive anything.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328088,00.html

1 in 4 Britons Think Winston Churchill Never Existed

I guess thay also think we never went to the moon and that the US govt brought down the World Trade Center on 9/11.

[KY_Fried]

I think 99% of them are bull. There have been a few that I was open minded about but I can't even think of what any of those are so they must not have been anything major.

[tenntucky]

Maybeee...the conspiricy goes a little farther....like.....outerspace...maybe them UFO's are actually carrying the true leaders here to visit with their henchmen or oberseers..our governmental body....controled or at least directed by aliens:eek: How else would we be able to invent all the techno killing machines we have come up with...Maybe it going to be a New Universe Order.......aaaand we just work here to help complete their planetary preparations for taking over the earth by another dominate life form:confused::eek: Now you guy's got me worried:(

[Ky'sFinest]

Maybeee...the conspiricy goes a little farther....like.....outerspace...maybe them UFO's are actually carrying the true leaders here to visit with their henchmen or oberseers..our governmental body....controled or at least directed by aliens:eek: How else would we be able to invent all the techno killing machines we have come up with...Maybe it going to be a New Universe Order.......aaaand we just work here to help complete their planetary preparations for taking over the earth by another dominate life form:confused::eek: Now you guy's got me worried:(


i get up in the morning and my coffee maker works, shower is hot, razor is sharp, truck runs good, work keeps me busy, yadda yadda yadda.

meanwhile the secret clan is haveing a meeting to take over the world...

Id like to see them do it on my watch!!!!

ive said it before and ill say it again, 2nd amendment was not for hunters!

[lonesomepine]

Maybeee...the conspiricy goes a little farther....like.....outerspace...maybe them UFO's are actually carrying the true leaders here to visit with their henchmen or oberseers..our governmental body....controled or at least directed by aliens:eek: How else would we be able to invent all the techno killing machines we have come up with...Maybe it going to be a New Universe Order.......aaaand we just work here to help complete their planetary preparations for taking over the earth by another dominate life form:confused::eek: Now you guy's got me worried:(

This explains all the presidential candidates for 2008,I've known Teddy Kennedy was "Different" ever since Chappaquidic,so anybody his clan backs are definately "extraterrestrial"!

[BiggerBuck]

i get up in the morning and my coffee maker works, shower is hot, razor is sharp, truck runs good, work keeps me busy, yadda yadda yadda.

meanwhile the secret clan is haveing a meeting to take over the world...

Id like to see them do it on my watch!!!!

ive said it before and ill say it again, 2nd amendment was not for hunters!

With that attitude your gun will be long gone before you think to reach for it. If you are serious about your 2nd amendment rights I wouldnt keep my head in the sand. Dont expect the good old Republican Party to look out for you either.

Remember Katrina. FEMA has full rights to take your firearm, home, property, food.. basicaly anything they want. All of this happened under Full Republican Rule of all three branches of government.

ANY extordinary powers to the government is another attack to the 2nd amendment.

[Scott7m]

With that attitude your gun will be long gone before you think to reach for it. If you are serious about your 2nd amendment rights I wouldnt keep my head in the sand. Dont expect the good old Republican Party to look out for you either.

Remember Katrina. FEMA has full rights to take your firearm, home, property, food.. basicaly anything they want. All of this happened under Full Republican Rule of all three branches of government.

ANY extordinary powers to the government is another attack to the 2nd amendment.


yeahh it seems so many here are just willing to blow stuff off and just say that this is the USA, like you said.. the government can already almost do what they want, it's only going to get worse, especially when people sit around and think that it "can't"

[Ky'sFinest]

if you guys are right than what are you doing about it other than complaining about it on a forum. watching movies about it doesn't change anything either.



there are a social elite, but there are a whole lot more of guys like you and me...


SREW the elite, and no they will not take my rights.

[Scott7m]

if you guys are right than what are you doing about it other than complaining about it on a forum. watching movies about it doesn't change anything either.



there are a social elite, but there are a whole lot more of guys like you and me...


SREW the elite, and no they will not take my rights.


they won't take your rights? lol what are you going to do about it?

if you can't see that your civil liberties are slowly being taken away then we're all in trouble..... the fact that they can come into anyone's home and search and not even say who was there is bad enough, like someone else posted about the gun deal along with katrina, that wasn't right either....

[huntr467]

here is another step into the future and control..
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_8174512

[buckfever]

I answered "I'm not sure", b/c it depends on what "conspiracy" is being alleged.

With respect to some of the threads on here, I believe it's pure nonsense to believe that some secret society is trying to establish some new world order.

[BiggerBuck]

if you guys are right than what are you doing about it other than complaining about it on a forum. watching movies about it doesn't change anything either.



there are a social elite, but there are a whole lot more of guys like you and me...


SREW the elite, and no they will not take my rights.

you have a good point

Just by talking about it on this forum is doing something. It makes us all think about what is going and discuss it with family and friends. You are right that there are alot more of us but we are fare less organized. We have given the Gov too much power since 9/11 so much that I fear our Gov more than terrorist. We have the War on drugs, War on poverty, and now the War on terrorism. Why dont we declare a war on illegal immigration!

We all have the same concerns (mainly the 2nd amendment) and i think it is coming close to the time that we must all come together despite party affiliation to defend our concerns. You will lose your freedom of speech and assembly before you lose your right to bear arms. Or maybe you may lose them all the same day. With a strike of the pen the president can declare martial law.
Who knows what's going to happen in the near future. I intend to get closer with God the basic way of living to survive.

[BiggerBuck]

Oh yea, I am also going to pray that Hilary does not get elected President. If that happens I hope i dont have any guns because i may shoot myself.

[Scott7m]

Oh yea, I am also going to pray that Hilary does not get elected President. If that happens I hope i dont have any guns because i may shoot myself.

we already have the EU, wake up..... the north american union, one who would say that it doesn't exsist in our gov. plans reallllllllly needs help, so if they have the eu, and the nau, and asia is working on one as well as africa, if they have 4 governments controlling the world, why wouldn't they join as one? i mean they took it from the colonies, states, to the nation, to now wanting to go to a north american union, why stop there?

[BiggerBuck]

your preaching to the choir guy.
You have some choices though. Luckly we have developed plenty of ways to keep our minds completely occupied so keep watching sports and American Idol and dont forget the infamous words of our Commander In Chief after 9/11 "Go Shopping".

[yote hunter]

With that attitude your gun will be long gone before you think to reach for it. If you are serious about your 2nd amendment rights I wouldnt keep my head in the sand. Dont expect the good old Republican Party to look out for you either.

Remember Katrina. FEMA has full rights to take your firearm, home, property, food.. basicaly anything they want. All of this happened under Full Republican Rule of all three branches of government.

ANY extordinary powers to the government is another attack to the 2nd amendment.

it wasnt fema or the republicans that took away peoples guns in new orleans it was the democrate mayor and his police force.if you would join the NRA you might be better informed on this kind of thing.a republican taking your guns away is the last thing you have to worry about.

[Scott7m]

it wasnt fema or the republicans that took away peoples guns in new orleans it was the democrate mayor and his police force.if you would join the NRA you might be better informed on this kind of thing.a republican taking your guns away is the last thing you have to worry about.

I'm a member of the NRA, big deal..... Local governement shouldn't be able to over-ride a constitutional right to bear arms should they? c'mon

[Wildcat]

yote hunter is 100% right.

It was the Democrat Mayor that ORDERED the New Orleans police to take the people's firearms.

The NRA suied in court forcing the New Orleans to give the guns back and apologize to the people. It happened that way.

[Scott7m]

yote hunter is 100% right.

It was the Democrat Mayor that ORDERED the New Orleans police to take the people's firearms.

The NRA suied in court forcing the New Orleans to give the guns back and apologize to the people. It happened that way.

they mayor shouldn't have that right to begin with should he?????

thats nuts

[yote hunter]

they mayor shouldn't have that right to begin with should he?????

thats nuts

if you are in the NRA dont you read any of thier magizines?of course he didnt have the right but he did it anyway.who are you anyway i think your just having fun screwing with us.

[Scott7m]

yeah i've made 770 post just messing with ya lol........

No I don't get the political mag that came with the membership..

[ocbowhunter]

I think I hear the black helicopters!

[Manzanita]

yeah i've made 770 post just messing with ya lol........

No I don't get the political mag that came with the membership..

Fifteen posts today.

Twenty-five yesterday.

Averaging a little more than sixteen posts/day.

Scott, go outside. Get some fresh air.

By the way... Alex Jones called. He wants his Hal Lindsey books back.

[Scott7m]

On here all day ordering this and that, might as well have some fun while i'm on here lol

[Ky'sFinest]

i aint sayin you guys are stupid or anything like that. just don't get carried away.

its good for the people to have a good dose a distrust in the government, maybe it will keep them honest??? i don't know?

all im sayin is that they are only as powerful as we let them be.

just think about it. can they enforce every single thing in your life... no.

we have the upper hand, its all about perspective.

[tenntucky]

i aint sayin you guys are stupid or anything like that. just don't get carried away.

its good for the people to have a good dose a distrust in the government, maybe it will keep them honest??? i don't know?

all im sayin is that they are only as powerful as we let them be.

just think about it. can they enforce every single thing in your life... no.

we have the upper hand, its all about perspective.

:confused:How do you figure "We" have the upper hand:confused: Also where do you draw the line on them and us? Is that determined by documents of employment or party affiliation or tax bracket? I'm not sure how to take your comments regarding distrust unless I have a better understanding of who you declare "them" to be.
The "Them" I worry about is those folks that work for our government..."Us"..... with their own desires put before ours..."their employers".
Unfourtunatly these folks "run" this country through economic means..."They got the cash"..They control Manufacture, Agriculture, Shipping, Security, and our Natural Resources.
Sure..a country boy can survive.....for a while.....but without all these things that "They" control...the masses are doomed....kaput....finished.
Good ol country ain't gonna save this manny people, you have to have orginization, technoligy, controled climates or oversea's connections to get food in the off season. This goes way beyond the capabilities of my thinking but it's real......We have submitted to society....It has the "upper hand". The rest of us just work here.

[Scott7m]

:confused:How do you figure "We" have the upper hand:confused: Also where do you draw the line on them and us? Is that determined by documents of employment or party affiliation or tax bracket? I'm not sure how to take your comments regarding distrust unless I have a better understanding of who you declare "them" to be.
The "Them" I worry about is those folks that work for our government..."Us"..... with their own desires put before ours..."their employers".
Unfourtunatly these folks "run" this country through economic means..."They got the cash"..They control Manufacture, Agriculture, Shipping, Security, and our Natural Resources.
Sure..a country boy can survive.....for a while.....but without all these things that "They" control...the masses are doomed....kaput....finished.
Good ol country ain't gonna save this manny people, you have to have orginization, technoligy, controled climates or oversea's connections to get food in the off season. This goes way beyond the capabilities of my thinking but it's real......We have submitted to society....It has the "upper hand". The rest of us just work here.

you are exactly right, a good ol boy ain't got much power anymore. The govt has control over all. I've heard a lot of people say that through control/and fear or terrorism and such that the general public will pretty much demand higher control and such out of fear!

We that much power and authrority, there would have to be a LOT more corruption than there is already.