Amish?

[pentail]

noticed they had gone to trial down in Murray...

Can someone please explain to me how it is against their religion to put a reflective triangle on the back of the buggy when they are on public highways?:rolleyes: I mean, they aren't asking them to put a big red light on top or anything, just to be a little safer for their sake and everyone elses. :confused:

[schroader]

there has been some more in down the road a bit here. all of there buggys has head lights and lights in the back too.

[hwright]

I guess some of them think the triangle symbolizes the trinity. They say that goes against their religion. They also say if they get caught with one by the church elders they could be banished. They are trying to meet the state half way. They are willing to put reflective tape on the back of their buggy but for some reason the state wants to push the triangle. I don't know..... HEATH

[KYBOY]

If thats the case it shouldent matter as long as its reflective should it:confused: I dont care if if its round or octagon as long as I dont run over a buggy:D

[C.L.Button]

I saw some of their northern cousins running orange triangles the other day. Didn't see any lights. Maybe they have 2 different kinds of buggies ? :confused:

I think it is the triangle just due to it being the KY Dept of Transportations symbol for a "slow moving farm vehicle" OR "unlicensed farm vehicle" ?

Have they had any accidents at nite with the Amish ?

[pentail]

I guess some of them think the triangle symbolizes the trinity. They say that goes against their religion. They also say if they get caught with one by the church elders they could be banished. They are trying to meet the state half way. They are willing to put reflective tape on the back of their buggy but for some reason the state wants to push the triangle. I don't know..... HEATH

ok, so they don't object to the reflective aspect, just the shape. I was curious as to how that could want to fight that enough to go to court. I would say if they would cover most of the back of the buggy with reflective materials that it should help others see them in low light conditions.

[JDMiller]

Have they had any accidents at nite with the Amish ?

The trial is being held at Mayfield in Graves Co.... not Murray(Calloway) and yes.... they have had a few accidents. I dont really recall any fatalities but apparently enough of a problem for the courts to push it.

I can respect anyones beliefs & religion but for the life of me I cant figure this one out. Around Hopkinsville / Fairview they run lights on their buggies and I believe they have the triangle as well. Around Calloway Co... we have some Minnonites that will drive vehicles(has to be black) .. have electricity... shop at Wal-mart...go to the movies. In Graves on down to Cottage Grove Tennesee... the group were discussing.... dont want lights or the orange triangle.

Kinda hard to understand considering its their own safety at risk.

[pentail]

Lexington news just stated the trial was near murray. Thought it was odd that it even made the news up here...

There seems to be a great deal of disparity in what the various groups will and will not do.

[Duster]

There seems to be a great deal of disparity in what the various groups will and will not do.

Sure is... this area has a lot of Amish that build homes and such. If you want them to work for you you either have to go pick them up or arrange for transportation with one guy who runs a van service. The deer processor I use is Amish...no electricty in the shop from outside sources but they have one heck of a generator that runs the equipment and coolers but no lighting other than a coleman lantern. They have a phone but it is not in the house or shop but in a small building about halfway between the two.

The ones in this area run the triangle slow moving vehicle.

[barney]

I can respect anyones beliefs & religion but for the life of me I cant figure this one out.

Kinda hard to understand considering its their own safety at risk.
From my dealings with them, they actually put their life in the hands of God, and unlike most,......... don't just claim to!

[KYBOY]

Yep, the ones Ive dealt with believe that wholeheartedly!

[JDMiller]

From my dealings with them, they actually put their life in the hands of God, and unlike most,......... don't just claim to!

I agree and have admiration to that aspect of their lives. Its just hard to understand their beliefs between different sects..ordnums(sp). Seems every group has a different opinion concerning the modernized world and what is allowed within their group.

The ones that I've delt with are masters with sheaves ...belts & powerplants. When we were building our cabin... they (Fairview) Amish sawed all our logs and lumber to build it. They even drug the logs out with draft horses because we did'nt want the woods rutted up with tractors or skidders. The contraptions of belts to power their equipment would have only lasted 15 minutes if I rigged it up. Instead they could saw all day without any failure. So... yes ..God is defintely working in their lives.

[barney]

I agree and have admiration to that aspect of their lives. Its just hard to understand their beliefs between different sects..ordnums(sp). Seems every group has a different opinion concerning the modernized world and what is allowed within their group.

The ones that I've delt with are masters with sheaves ...belts & powerplants. When we were building our cabin... they (Fairview) Amish sawed all our logs and lumber to build it. They even drug the logs out with draft horses because we did'nt want the woods rutted up with tractors or skidders. The contraptions of belts to power their equipment would have only lasted 15 minutes if I rigged it up. Instead they could saw all day without any failure. So... yes ..God is defintely working in their lives.
I truly believe the world would be a better place if........ we would all just step back....and let the guard down a little and humble ourselves, and put the faith where it belongs, a person may loose a dollar, ........but you gain, contentment,............and respect, 100 fold!! ;)

[drakeshooter]

I've helped drive them around for a local guy from Pembroke who owns a bunch of vans and makes a good living off it. There are several varieties. Old Order Amish, New Order Amish, Old Mennonites, New Mennonites. The Amish that ride around in the buggies around Christian/Todd Counties all use orange reflectors. The New Order and Mennonites around here have cell phones and the kids use Ipods.

The Mennonite family that I used to live next to in the Kirksey area of Calloway County were just the same as most folks, except he wore a beard and his old lady wore a bonnet. Other than that he had TV, a grey truck and she drove a blue Accord. They live in a 4000+ square feet brick home and the dad rode around in a golf cart. They have an above ground pool surrounded by a privacy fence. I never could see what the wife wore when in it, but I sure tried like heck!:D

[KYBOY]

We regularly have amish show up at our UTK conventions. We are glad to have them. One was even our guest Auctioneer and man he was good!!

[killinmammals]

I never could see what the wife wore when in it, but I sure tried like heck!:D
HAHAHA....

[Wall Hanger]

I really do wish they would put the triangles on the buggies. Ive come up behind them at night on back roads before at night .Ive seen them with a lantern hanging on the back and with the reflective tape( this is the Amish around Sonora) . Ive been unable to recognize what I was looking out or how far away it was. A triangle would let me know what it was and how far away they are. I like the Amish and respect them and have been friends with some. I understand how they feel. But, if they are going to share the roads with vehicles they are gonna have to comply with the safety of everyone involved or not drive on the roads at night. I hate to have to say that.

[Allison77]

I really do wish they would put the triangles on the buggies. Ive come up behind them at night on back roads before at night .Ive seen them with a lantern hanging on the back and with the reflective tape( this is the Amish around Sonora) . Ive been unable to recognize what I was looking out or how far away it was. A triangle would let me know what it was and how far away they are. I like the Amish and respect them and have been friends with some. I understand how they feel. But, if they are going to share the roads with vehicles they are gonna have to comply with the safety of everyone involved or not drive on the roads at night. I hate to have to say that.

I agree with Wall Hanger 100%! I too travel in Sonora sometimes at night and it is very hard to see just that little lantern hanging from the side of the buggy. I respect them in the utmost way, but we all have to travel the roads!

[hannibal]

i worked for some mennonites here in murray for some time. they are generally good people. i know a lot of them from graves and they don't have to drive a car that is a certain color. just no tv, no radio, nothing superfluous.

[redneck1377]

why don't someone install a small generator on the wheel to power a tail-light for the buggy and a head-light or scroll light on top of the buggy

[Feedman]

If I recall correctly, there was a traffic accident in ohio a few yrs ago where 4 or 5 Amish kids were killed when they were hit by a car. I think it was dark and maybe raining.

[WildmanWilson]

I think Amish are good people but I don't think God will hold them to a higher standard because of the way they live. You can't earn your way into Heaven by being a "good" person because you can never be good enough. It's not by works but by the grace of God that we enter.

Some religions will crawl on their hands and knees and be a bloody mess thinking they are pleasing God by their deeds. God has already done the "work" for us when Jesus died on the cross. Why some want to make it so much harder is beyond me.

[grouser68]

I have heard, and seen that the Amish don't live by "mans" law.It may be their religion that exempts them from that, I dunno. Anyway, the Amish up north, next to Lake Erie sure don't believe, or go by the walleye creel limits.Kudo's to them, them boys can sure fish! I have seen them go way past their creel limits. I did'nt turn them in, if you have ever fished Lake Erie, you would know why.The locals up there have no respect for them for that reason.

[quackrstackr]

i know a lot of them from graves and they don't have to drive a car that is a certain color. just no tv, no radio, nothing superfluous.

Things must have shifted since I moved from Graves. Up until at least 6 years ago they (Mennonites) were still required to drive black vehicles. They would buy whatever they could get a deal on and then have it painted.

I used to work with a guy who's wife was Mennonite and they moved down from up north somewhere. You wouldn't know that she was unless one of them told you. She appeared to be just like any other (good looking) late twenty something girl in what she wore and the way that she acted. I couldn't believe it when he first said something about her religion.

Someone asked about the number of accidents with the Amish. Seems like the news reported 6 accidents within the last two years.

http://www.wpsdtv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=F749C3C1-3A96-465E-A90C-E2896FF05E6C&gsa=true

http://www.wpsdtv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=32cbd6ca-2ce0-4ca8-a9b1-c7ad4936856f

I know that I've come up on them at near dark and it's next to impossible to see them. Most of the ones in Graves used to try to get off of the road before dark. I'm sure it probably happens fairly often, though. The Amish community is a pretty good way away from town (around Dublin) so they are on the roads for a fairly good stretch whenever they go there. I was surprised that the state hasn't attempted to require some other sort of modifications to their buggies. Some of them do a number on the asphalt with their wheels and the horse shoes.

[mwezell]

I respect their beliefs but feel very strongly that
if using public roads, they should follow public laws.

[Xi Bowhunter]

I have heard, and seen that the Amish don't live by "mans" law.It may be their religion that exempts them from that, I dunno. Anyway, the Amish up north, next to Lake Erie sure don't believe, or go by the walleye creel limits.Kudo's to them, them boys can sure fish! I have seen them go way past their creel limits. I did'nt turn them in, if you have ever fished Lake Erie, you would know why.The locals up there have no respect for them for that reason.

What pisses me off is when they release the 500 measly trout in my favorite trout stream, and the Amish are there 30-40 strong, to fish them out as soon as they are released.:mad: I live about 1hr 15 min away from the stream, and i can't get there often, and when I show up and there is 30 Amish people there carting out all 500 fish, it really pisses you off. I have called the CO because I think they are taking more than their limit, but I have never seen a CO down there checking them.

[Xi Bowhunter]

There are lots of Amish or Minninites(sp) around the Nolin lake area. They have some beautiful horses pulling those buggies.

[grouser68]

What pisses me off is when they release the 500 measly trout in my favorite trout stream, and the Amish are there 30-40 strong, to fish them out as soon as they are released.:mad: I live about 1hr 15 min away from the stream, and i can't get there often, and when I show up and there is 30 Amish people there carting out all 500 fish, it really pisses you off. I have called the CO because I think they are taking more than their limit, but I have never seen a CO down there checking them. I know XI! On Lake Erie it's impossible to catch a poacher. The locals say when your miles out in Erie and call something in(if you can service) there is no way to catch them cause where are they gonna take out? They may take out in Canada, or the Islands, or just about anywhere! The banks of the Maumee river during the walleye run is lined with CO's, and you see NO Amish, no CO's on Erie, and tons of Amish, go figure!

[Xi Bowhunter]

I know XI! On Lake Erie it's impossible to catch a poacher. The locals say when your miles out in Erie and call something in(if you can service) there is no way to catch them cause where are they gonna take out? They may take out in Canada, or the Islands, or just about anywhere! The banks of the Maumee river during the walleye run is lined with CO's, and you see NO Amish, no CO's on Erie, and tons of Amish, go figure!

Man, that sucks. I have always wanted to take a trip to Erie to walleye and smallmouth fish. One of these days I will get the chance hopefully.

[grouser68]

Man, that sucks. I have always wanted to take a trip to Erie to walleye and smallmouth fish. One of these days I will get the chance hopefully.No problem XI! More than welcome to come with me, the boat sleeps 4 easily, 6 if needed, all the amenities. It costs ALOT less than people think, with the exception of the gas now!:( I spent 60 days(not consecuative) the summer after my last deployment on Erie, and plan on the same this time!:D Can you wait till the summer of 09?



PS. We'll show them Amish how to fish! WOOHOO!

[Xi Bowhunter]

No problem XI! More than welcome to come with me, the boat sleeps 4 easily, 6 if needed, all the amenities. It costs ALOT less than people think, with the exception of the gas now!:( I spent 60 days(not consecuative) the summer after my last deployment on Erie, and plan on the same this time!:D Can you wait till the summer of 09?



PS. We'll show them Amish how to fish! WOOHOO!

I have waited this long, i could wait till' 09':D You just keep me in mind when the time comes:)

[Valley Station]

There are many Amish families in Hart county, around Munfordville, Horse Cave, Cub Run communities. Most all the buggies I see after dark have "running lights" on.
When your in the country, just slow down, never know when there will be a deer, farm tractor or a buggy in the road.
My one concern, is can you "spin out" going around a curve on "road apples"??

[hannibal]

Things must have shifted since I moved from Graves. Up until at least 6 years ago they (Mennonites) were still required to drive black vehicles. They would buy whatever they could get a deal on and then have it painted.

I know the ones I worked with from over there had cars that ranged from green to white, blue, etc. I know there are like two different "sects" in the Graves county area. Maybe I got a hold of the more liveral ones. Hell the guy who remodeled my parents house in 94 drove a blue f150.

[quackrstackr]

I guess I never ran across that set. I do see a very few folks in the area that drive regular vehicles, have cell phones and whatnot but the guys are normally in jeans with suspenders and the women wear their hair up in bonnets. I never knew what religion they belonged to. Could be some of them, I suppose.