Casino's or Not

[Duster]

Debate free thread....

[KYhunter79]

Yes, definitely. If you don't want to go, don't go.

[gobbl4me]

I agree i look at casinos like i do liqour stores just cause they are here doesn't mean i have to go in them.

[Foam Steak]

ABSOLUTELY! as long as they are Race-inos and they use some of the profits to drop the takeout!

[Marko]

If we think we have budget problems now ... just start dealing with all of the problems this will bring.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Owensboro has been wanting one for years. I think it would go over good for about 5 years and then tank.

[Art]

No thanks. I don't gamble and I'd hate the extra traffic that one would bring to Lexington. If they want to build them in BFE, go for it.

[KYBOY]

Dont matter to me. I wont go but I dont care if you do;) I wont have to worry about the extra traffic over here in gods country:D

[lonesomepine]

Absolutely,should have been done years ago,the company I work for is building the new parking garage and floating casino for Argosy Casino in Lawrenceburg,Indiana . I see hundreds of Ky and Oh plates in there everyday,the revenue they bring in is unreal and alot of it is coming from out of our state.There are 3 Casinos on the Ohio river in Indiana near Northern Ky and they take alot of cash out of our Horse racing industry and state =

Belterra resort and casino near Ky Speedway at Sparta/Warsaw,Ky

Argosy Casino across from Boone county,Ky only 12 miles from the N KY Greater Cincinnati Airport

Grand Victoria Casino in Rising Sun,Indiana across from the thriving metropolis at Rabbit Hash,Ky


If all the naysayers saw how much money these places have drawn to small towns and the growth and developement they have caused they would have to think twice.Besides they are killing our Horse Racing Industry,time to change the old Bible Thumping idealogy to compete.

[AteUp]

They already have them within a few hours driving distance of most places in KY. Might as well keep some of the money here.

[killinmammals]

They already have them within a few hours driving distance of most places in KY. Might as well keep some of the money here.
Yep thats the way I see it. Nobody is forcing people to go if you don't like them.

[slickhead slayer]

They already have them within a few hours driving distance of most places in KY. Might as well keep some of the money here.

Yep,that bout sums it up for me.
All the statistics on the bad things casinos bring is true, but we already have all the bad since the casinos are just across the river, might as well get some of the good that comes with the bad.

[AteUp]

Yep,that bout sums it up for me.
All the statistics on the bad things casinos bring is true, but we already have all the bad since the casinos are just across the river, might as well get some of the good that comes with the bad.

Now don't try and cloud the issue with common sense.:eek:

[BadDuck]

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Originally Posted by AteUp http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/showthread.php?p=531372#post531372)
They already have them within a few hours driving distance of most places in KY. Might as well keep some of the money here.

Yep,that bout sums it up for me.
All the statistics on the bad things casinos bring is true, but we already have all the bad since the casinos are just across the river, might as well get some of the good that comes with the bad.


For the life of me I cant understand why you get this point through to some people.

[BoneHead]

Sure as long as the horse tracks has nothing to do with it.They only want them at the tracks and I feel that is wrong.I refuse to go to the Downs because of this.

[Foam Steak]

They only want them at the tracks and I feel that is wrong. Why don't you want casinos and racetracks mixed?

[Louhunter]

Sure as long as the horse tracks has nothing to do with it.They only want them at the tracks and I feel that is wrong.I refuse to go to the Downs because of this.

I don't understand that line of thinkiing at all.. Churchill Downs is a WORLD Famous Sporting venue. The Kentucky Derby and Breeders Cup are events attended and watched around the world. That said, imagine for a moment that you have a horse racing venue such as Churchill Downs combined with a land based casino. Such a combination would make Louisville and Kentucky a vacation destination all year instead the 1 or 2 weeks a year. Churchill Downs already as the infrastructue to develop and support casino so we can use the resources already in Kentucky instead of going out-of-state to other companies. Indiana is worried about a Casino coming to Churchill that they are looking at MOVING the gambling license from Cesars to across the river in New Albany to the Colgate facility. I perdict that when Churchill has land based Casino gambling that all the gambling boats will be cut loose to float down stream.

[ptbrauch]

I could take it or leave it. I've lived in L'ville now for 5 years. I've been to Churchill once in that time and it took 4 years before I actually found out just where exactly the Caesar's casino was (never been it it though).

[Redlined]

I'm all for having them in Ky, providing they have a seafood buffet on Friday nights like Caesar's:D:D:D

[Xi Bowhunter]

I'm all for having them in Ky, providing they have a seafood buffet on Friday nights like Caesar's:D:D:D

Hell, I'll vote "YES" if they have a good seafood buffet. We don't have any good buffets here in the 'boro.

[quackrstackr]

If all the naysayers saw how much money these places have drawn to small towns and the growth and developement they have caused they would have to think twice.Besides they are killing our Horse Racing Industry,time to change the old Bible Thumping idealogy to compete.

Yeah, because Metropolis, IL has literally blown up in the years since they've had their casino. :D

I guess those of us outside the already gambling zones of the horse racing industry (which is a small area of KY, all things considered) don't really understand what's so great about the things. The one we have over this way certainly doesn't seem to have generated a whole lot of anything.

[slickhead slayer]

Sure as long as the horse tracks has nothing to do with it.They only want them at the tracks and I feel that is wrong.I refuse to go to the Downs because of this.

Just curious, why do feel this way?

The horse industry is a big part of our tax base here in Ky, and that affects us all. But its hurting, and the state is suffering from it.
I dabble a fair amount in the horse business, and see first hand how Ky is hurting. We much prefer to run our horses in Indiana or west virginia than Ky tracks, despite the big drives and shipping cost. The reason? The purses are so much bigger. We can run a horse at Mountaineer in WV in a $25,000 or $28,000 race, and he will be running against the same class of horse here in Ky in a $15 or $16,000 race. And all this has to do with WV giving tracks slots. Its made the purses so big, that people will send their horse past 4 or 5 tracks on the way to get to Mounatineer.

Don't get me wrong, casinos will not end all our problems in Ky, no doubt. But it may help a few things out with the added revenue.
Caesars in Indiana, across from Louisville, paid millions and millions in state taxes last year. Why not realize those tax dollars here?

[Buford]

Yes, as soon as possible.
Let people who are bad at math pay frankfort so I dont have to!:D

[hannibal]

Yeah, because Metropolis, IL has literally blown up in the years since they've had their casino. :D


A lot of the problem for the Metropolis casino is that they didn't have a hotel for gamers to stay at for some time. And if I remember they built a multimillion dollar hotel there. Sounds like jobs and tax revenue to me. Also people around here would rather drive to Tunica to gamble....you get free drinks while you play. Casino's pay a modest wage for a low skill job. Factor in the taxes from the place you have a decent chunk going in to the state of KY.

[quackrstackr]

A lot of the problem for the Metropolis casino is that they didn't have a hotel for gamers to stay at for some time. And if I remember they built a multimillion dollar hotel there. Sounds like jobs and tax revenue to me. Also people around here would rather drive to Tunica to gamble....you get free drinks while you play. Casino's pay a modest wage for a low skill job. Factor in the taxes from the place you have a decent chunk going in to the state of KY.

I'm not getting your point. They've had a hotel for a long time and it doesn't seem to have helped. Outside of people that may work at the hotel, Metropolis as a whole seems to be no better off than it was pre-casino... forget the state. I think we should both be able to agree on that. There has been no net growth outside of the casino and it's hotel. All of that revenue is going somewhere but it's not back to the city that houses it.

You also just said that people would rather drive to MS than gamble at a boat literally in their backyard. That doesn't do a whole lot for the argument that building them in KY will keep that money here.

I honestly don't care one way or the other besides any potential negatives that they may bring to an area. I don't want one in Murray because the infrastructure is lagging far enough behind as is without additional burden. People can go blow their money at one if they like. I don't have enough disposable income to throw away like that myself. :D

[rme hunter]

I would just as soon live them in Indiana. Yes they pay millions in taxes but where do you think that money comes from. The money that is paid in taxes comes out of the pocket of the community. Just because you chose not to go there it will still affect you. The people that go to gamble and lose which is about everyone then have less money to spend at other places in the community. Thus causing smaller businesses to go under. Don't be fooled about tourist coming in to spend all of that money either. The majority of the profits casino's claim come from a 50 mile radius of thier front door. Leave those problems in Indiana. In 10 years we'll be glad.

[mcdenney]

No problems with casino's as long as they are not anywhere near where I live and preferably not located in KY. While I view it as cheap entertainment and a good time for the most part, many do not know when enough is enough. Same with the lottery or horse racing. Some people will spend more than they have or spend more than they need to by a long shot and the effect that has on them and their family is not necessary. In addition, along with any casino comes plenty of crime and scum. I would just as soon have that somewhere else where if I decided I wanted to go then I will back up and visit one for some cheap entertainment. Otherwise, I would just as soon not look at or deal with the additional crime plus not much overall positive net effect will come from it in the long run.

[MrHank]

We should build a few on this side of the river so we can keep some of our states money here. People are going to gamble rather its across the river or in their own homes. I know alot of people that don'tnow when to stop, but since when is it our place to tell them how to live their lives, I thought that was called freedom of choice. Everybody on here can relate to hunting so lets put it this way, how would eveybody like it if you had to go acroos state lines and hunt because we did not alow it here? Not everybody agrees with hunting but we are still allowed to choose for ourselves rather to hunt or not, so why should this be any different.

[mcdenney]

I know alot of people that don'tnow when to stop, but since when is it our place to tell them how to live their lives, I thought that was called freedom of choice.

It is my place when I end up having to eventually pay more money to help support their arse because they don't know when to stop. IMHO, the same when it comes to having too many kids, etc. At some point, someone with some sense has to step in because if we don't then all of us are going to be the ones to help pick up the peices later. The way I see it I draw the line when it continues to dig deeper and deeper into my pocket then I make it my business.

MrHank, not trying to come off harsh here at all just stating how I feel about it. No offense meant at all.

[Xi Bowhunter]

From what i have heard, the Aztar casino in Evansville IN isn't doing so good now, and it has only been there about 10 years.

[KYhunter79]

I don't buy the "it's going to drag our community down" arguement. There are plenty of oppurtunities to gamble now. Right in your own home, various Hold 'em tourneys all over the state, or most everyone is within a reasonable drive to one of the riverboat casino's.

[MrHank]

Mcdenny I agree with you 100% percent about being tired of having to pay for other peoples problems. But I still don't think its our place to tell them how to live there lives. The money coming out of our pockets to support these people are the governments fault for letting most of these people be deadbeats and live off the system instead of gettin a job.

[hannibal]

You also just said that people would rather drive to MS than gamble at a boat literally in their backyard. That doesn't do a whole lot for the argument that building them in KY will keep that money here.

The difference here is the free drinks while you play. If Kentucky were to do the same thing we'd draw our own players back, a long with some of the players from IL. Paying six bucks for a dixie cup with coke in it is just insult to injury when playing in a casino. If casino's came here and our laws were structured properly, it could be a tourist attraction. One of Metropolis' main problems is that the casino is small and kind of dingy. Very old. It's like the difference between a Target and the Dollar Store. You don't want to gamble in a place that the roof might cave in.

[KYhunter79]

Well, tunica is kind of like a mecca for gambling. That's why it draws a lot. There are a dozen or more casinos in that city. It's known for its gambling and its always going to bring people in. If they built up a nice place on land here in KY, I think it would do well. In tunica they have boxing events, MMA, concerts, and stuff like that going on all the time.

[Sand Gap Sniper]

I would be against it, too many problems comes with them. Everyone wants to talk about the revenue that it would bring in, but if it was legal to deal cocaine and meth accross the river, would we want them to legalize it here because of the revenue it would bring in? I think all of us would say "no, we would do without the revenue to avoid the problems". Just my .02.

[KYhunter79]

I would be against it, too many problems comes with them. Everyone wants to talk about the revenue that it would bring in, but if it was legal to deal cocaine and meth accross the river, would we want them to legalize it here because of the revenue it would bring in? I think all of us would say "no, we would do without the revenue to avoid the problems". Just my .02.

I hardly think gambling is as debilitating to a community as rampant use of heavy narcotics. :confused:

[CM12]

I know the lottery has sure pulled the education fund out of the ditch...just like promised:rolleyes:

[aceoky]

I know the lottery has sure pulled the education fund out of the ditch...just like promised:rolleyes:

Don't know about "statewide" but HERE; we have had THREE brand new schools built, MORE computers and computer labs that simply didn't exist prior to the Lottery........fwiw

Also Teacher's pay has gone up quite a bit since then.....(still not nearly what it should be IMO for what they are entrusted to do)

[slickhead slayer]

I would just as soon live them in Indiana. Yes they pay millions in taxes but where do you think that money comes from. The majority of the profits casino's claim come from a 50 mile radius of thier front door. Leave those problems in Indiana. In 10 years we'll be glad.

Actually the vast majority of Caesars money comes from Louisville. Its the reason they built it there. Its nothing but cornfield after cornfield on the river right across from Louisville.
Thats my point, louisvillians can be at the boat in about 15 minutes. All the ills that come with casinos, we got them. The only thing we don't get is the good part of casinos, jobs and tax revenue.
If we didn't have casinos already here, I would vote no. But since we have all the ills, why not take the good with the bad?

[lonesomepine]

I can't say a thing about Metropolis,Illinois' casino,never been there and don't care to.But it could be that folks in Louisville and Northern Ky that actually have a sizeable population and pay more than their fair share into the state kitty for less return might just want a land based casino here,the rest of you "the sky will fall" folks should just stay wherever you hide from the world and be safe.

Those crying about bringing more crime and more tax burden better go check facts before calling for the apocolypse.I've only saw what goes on from Belterra to Argosy,but I know for a fact the crime rate has dropped in Lawrenceburg and Aurora,Indiana.Shoot the worst crime is the prostitutes at Racers club near Ky Speedway in Sparta.I don't know of anybody that draws welfare because of a casino,but I know of plenty in rural areas that do because of few jobs.

[lonesomepine]

The more I think about it,I'll never understand how some people think that hiding from some vice will make their community a better place,example = dry counties in Kentucky,do they actually stop anyone from drinking? answer = NO they just cause the drunks to either drive further to get it or incourage crime by locals bootlegging it.Just because something one does not believe in exists ,does not mean they have to do it.


Someone please give me actual facts that show where states that have casinos had to put up more money,didn't gain jobs,taxes,and tourist $$

Where their crime rates increased,and where everyone turned into gamblingaholics.


Walmart does more harm to your community than a casino will

[Art]

I can understand how some would want one of these things out there in BFE to give another employment option besides Dollar General and the Shell station, but to me there would be nothing more trashy then to put a casino at Keeneland or tear down another horse farm to make room for a giant building that's sole purpose is to suck money out of an ignorant man's pocket.

I'm not totally against casino's but I don't want one near my home. Gambling does create problems, I see it everyday. I often deliver the lotto tickets and it's pathetic to see the power these things have over a persons life. It's a sad fact that the lottery preys on the poor and the ignorant.

To think that this is a positive for the state is wishful thinking at best. I'd bet my life that the state will still have a hard time staying out of the red 10 years after the first casino opens it doors. Then what happens when the revenue slips and we've already committed money that we thought we had? Same problem, different day.

[AteUp]

For every 1 person who gambles away more than they can afford, there are 1,000 people who occasionally go there just to have a good time and try their luck. (Not scientific numbers, just made those up.)

[KYhunter79]

For every 1 person who gambles away more than they can afford, there are 1,000 people who occasionally go there just to have a good time and try their luck. (Not scientific numbers, just made those up.)

Exactly. Thats why I don't buy the dragging the community down argument.

[BoneHead]

The reason I dont want them mixed with the race tracks is because the Downs has this city by the balls. Last time they talked about wanting to bring in a boat they freaked out and said the only way we could have it is at their tracks. Why does the Downs have such a hold on this city? Heck they was the only place you could smoke inside when the rest of the city HAD to be smoke free:confused: I just feel they shouldn't be able to tell the city if they can or can't have one here. I feel we need to have more then just a horse race in this state. Never hurts to have more $ coming in then just depend on a horse race. I refuse to watch anything dealing with the Downs and wont go downtown to support any of the events that week before the Derby.

[AteUp]

The reason I dont want them mixed with the race tracks is because the Downs has this city by the balls. Last time they talked about wanting to bring in a boat they freaked out and said the only way we could have it is at their tracks. Why does the Downs have such a hold on this city? Heck they was the only place you could smoke inside when the rest of the city HAD to be smoke free:confused: I just feel they shouldn't be able to tell the city if they can or can't have one here. I feel we need to have more then just a horse race in this state. Never hurts to have more $ coming in then just depend on a horse race. I refuse to watch anything dealing with the Downs and wont go downtown to support any of the events that week before the Derby.

are you serious??

[BoneHead]

would not ave put it on here if i wasn't!!!!!!!

[Art]

For every 1 person who gambles away more than they can afford, there are 1,000 people who occasionally go there just to have a good time and try their luck. (Not scientific numbers, just made those up.)


For every 1,000 people who smoke crack on a daily basis, there' is one who smokes too much.:D I don't have anything against gambling if that's what one likes to spend their money on, but nobody will ever convince me that our state will benefit without negatives by adding more gambling options, it's more like 50/50. Perhaps that comes from seeing what I see on a daily basis with just scratch off lottery tickets. That said, we already know the casino's are coming. If you keep up with frankfort then you know that's Beshears primary goal and pretty much everything he has done to this point is some form of groundwork to expand gaming...

[rme hunter]

http://www.dontgambleourfuture.org/documents/gamblingreport_May182005.pdf

This is a long article but if you just quickly review it. You will see the great affects that casino's have. They will bring more jobs, mostly law enforcement since the crime will double over the next few years. And 50% of these crimes will be violent.

[grouser68]

My good friend Art, and others.........seems ya'll are worried about other people, thier vices, and addictions.The people you are worried about ALREADY have addictive personalities, they are already addicted to the illegal drugs that we can't get control of, the legal alcohol, that we have, and yes, the legal gambling that we have in the state.I have'nt been to many but of the casino's I have been too I have'nt seen the drugs, wino's, and others with any vices, and addictions standing around in the parking lot, or outside the door.I can't see where a casino would be the devil, or the downfall of the state.There is no crystal ball that we can look into and forecast that a casino will drag down a community.There actually is no proof to that, only heresay.

Look on the positive, right now we have crime,drugs, gambling, and many other vices, on the bright side, maybe the money from a casino could be put to more law enforcement to quell the crimes, etc., we already have!? There are negatives with everything, there are also positives, seems we only focus on the negatives, we need to go the other way awhile......right?

[AteUp]

You guys don't need a casino anyway. There's a million online casinos only a few clicks away at all times.

[Art]

I hear ya, Grouser. There's a part of me that is fine with casino's, but I just don't want one close to my house. (I live about 1.5 miles from Keeneland).

My whole thing is that I just wish that KY could find a better way to balance the budget without having to go the easy route. I also think it would just be a temporary fix. Once the positives are gone then all you have are the negatives, kind of like with the lottery. Our education system is once again broke and I still have to stand in line for 5 minutes at the gas stations while people stand there and pick numbers and buy tickets while their barefoot kids with ripped clothes run all around me..:D

I guess we will all see what happens in due time. I believe that putting up a fight against casino's is useless at this point. Beshear convinced everyone that he would provide free tuition, and now he's trying to convince us that we can't survive without casinos. By this time next year you guys are going to be paying $4.50 a pack for smokes too!:D

[Art]

http://www.kentucky.com/454/story/290084.html

[DoeMaster]

Im surprised how close this poll is! I thought there would be a lot more of us in favor of Casino's. Its only a matter of time. There will be Casino's in Lexington. Anyone want to make a bet on it????? :D

[Al]

Its only a matter of time. There will be Casino's in Lexington. Anyone want to make a bet on it????? :D
Your right.
Ive been watching the legislature on KET. There setting it up now, doing a lot of talking about how broke Kentucky is and how the gaming money will bail us out. School funding is being cut etc.
It looks like their trying to pin the big investors on locations. Keenland and the Red Mile are working together on a seperate complex location in Lex but they seem to be hem hawing about where they want to put it at least publicly. Im sure it will be close to the airport. Then the airlines will make special routes, and the hotel shuttles will be lined up.
Then the Kiddie attractions will start to pop up,and more hotels and resturants, bigger and better horse farm tours,and dont forget crime and skyrocketing land prices.
They said they need to make the complexs spectacular enough to draw out of staters here because Kentuckians wont be able to spend enough money to make it float and keep it competive with the rest of the nation.
I can already see the adds, in my mind, to bring the herds into Lex from Fl, Ga, Tenn, the Carolinas etc.

[AteUp]

Why not have one on an I-65 exit, so we can get some out of state money?

[Art]

Why not have one on an I-65 exit, so we can get some out of state money?


You need to offer up your land in Quality.:D

[AteUp]

You need to offer up your land in Quality.:D

Not close enough to the interstate.;)

[Fat Tony]

Not a good idea. Bad for the state in the long run. Just another way to fund budgets on the backs of the poor and lower middle class.

[redneck1377]

If you want them close to I 65 then built them at the rest area

[KY_Fried]

I've never been to a casino and never plan on it but if other states that border KY have it, it makes sense for KY to have it too. If not then KY is going to loose a lot of $.
I have to admit though, I wouldn't want it in my "backyard."

[Xi Bowhunter]

Why not have one on an I-65 exit, so we can get some out of state money?

Bowling Green would be a good spot as far as this goes.

[Fat Tony]

Exactly. Thats why I don't buy the dragging the community down argument.

Look at the demographics of the "clents" going to the casino's in Indiana. In 2006, median income was under 27,000 a year. Means half are under that. Not exaclty lifestyles of the rich and famous. Just whose millions are getting infused back into the community anyways? BTW, its no surprise the slots are the big push in the legislature....no "game" sucks money out of the economically disadvantaged and the elderly more than that one.

[AteUp]

Bowling Green would be a good spot as far as this goes.

I agree. Let's take some money from Tennessee.

[Auk1124]

I can understand how some would want one of these things out there in BFE to give another employment option besides Dollar General and the Shell station, but to me there would be nothing more trashy then to put a casino at Keeneland or tear down another horse farm to make room for a giant building that's sole purpose is to suck money out of an ignorant man's pocket.



I'm confused - I thought the purpose of Keeneland was to suck money out of an ignorant man's pocket? What's the difference with a casino? :confused:

I don't think they'd build one in Lex anyway - land too pricy, traffic congestion in Lex already a nightmare, too many money-sucking trashy pastimes there already. :D

Just yanking your chain Art, but in reality Lex is plenty trashy enough (white trashy and otherwise) to compete with the smaller towns. :)

[CUZZIN]

I got a roll of quarters that burning a hole in my pocket,build it

[Art]

I'm confused - I thought the purpose of Keeneland was to suck money out of an ignorant man's pocket? What's the difference with a casino? :confused:

I don't think they'd build one in Lex anyway - land too pricy, traffic congestion in Lex already a nightmare, too many money-sucking trashy pastimes there already. :D

Just yanking your chain Art, but in reality Lex is plenty trashy enough (white trashy and otherwise) to compete with the smaller towns. :)


You've never been to Keeneland have you?:D The hottest bet there is on the beer, and it's only open for about 6 weeks out of the year. Keeneland is more of a social event then a gambling mecca.

There are sections of Lexington that are old and trashy, but the side of town Keeneland is on is not one of them. IF they do put a Casino in Lexington, I think the obvious place would be on the east- north east side somewhere around Hamburg and the 64-75 split which would provide the easiest access for all.

[Auk1124]

You've never been to Keeneland have you?:D The hottest bet there is on the beer, and it's only open for about 6 weeks out of the year. Keeneland is more of a social event then a gambling mecca.



Yup, been several times. Most of the crowd appears to me to be a mix of college kids, retirees, and businessmen playing hookey from the office, all sitting around knocking back longnecks and betting on the ponies. Still fail to see much difference in peeing away your dough at Keeneland or peeing it away at Ceasar's Indiana. I don't think one form is really any classier than the other.

[Art]

Yup, been several times. Most of the crowd appears to me to be a mix of college kids, retirees, and businessmen playing hookey from the office, all sitting around knocking back longnecks and betting on the ponies. Still fail to see much difference in peeing away your dough at Keeneland or peeing it away at Ceasar's Indiana. I don't think one form is really any classier than the other.

Classy? I don't know, that's all relative I guess... IMO, a horse race does offer much more to the senses for a spectator then a Blackjack table does. Watching a world class thoroughbred run is more appealing to me then watch an oriental lady slap cards on a table.

I went to that casino 1 time and I hated every second of it while I was there. I felt like I could have had more fun throwing my money out the window at random people on the way there then putting it in a machine.

I LOVE going to Keeneland though. I rarely bet more than $20 (when I bet) and usually spend about $40 on beer and food.:D It's fun just to go there and watch the races and hang out with friends, that was one aspect I thought was lacking at Ceasar's. I can't see that place being much fun unless you are involved in betting. While it's true that the foundation of a race track and a casino are the same, there are very few similarities IMO. I like to be outside with some friends in the fresh air drinking a cold beer while looking at pretty ladies and that's something you just can't get from a casino. JMO.

[DoeMaster]

Art has it right. Keeneland and a Casino are in no way the same. Keeneland has to be the biggest social event in Lexington. You can have a great time All Day at Keenland on as little as 20 or 40 bucks. Bring your own food and beer and tailgate in the parking lot while ocassionaly going inside to bet a race or two. Thats a nice cheap way to enjoy Keenalnd. I don't think I have ever seen anyone tailgating in a Casino parking lot! :D
If your from Lexington you are bound to run into at least of few people you know everytime you make a trip to the track ( during the live meets of course). I have been going to Keeneland since I was old enough to walk. A lot of good times had there!

[Feedman]

Why not have one on an I-65 exit, so we can get some out of state money?
I saw where they had proposed one in Franklin, ky. I think it was going to be on the old race track. It is pretty close to Nashville.

[lonesomepine]

Art has it right. Keeneland and a Casino are in no way the same. Keeneland has to be the biggest social event in Lexington. You can have a great time All Day at Keenland on as little as 20 or 40 bucks. Bring your own food and beer and tailgate in the parking lot while ocassionaly going inside to bet a race or two. Thats a nice cheap way to enjoy Keenalnd. I don't think I have ever seen anyone tailgating in a Casino parking lot! :D
If your from Lexington you are bound to run into at least of few people you know everytime you make a trip to the track ( during the live meets of course). I have been going to Keeneland since I was old enough to walk. A lot of good times had there!
Yes,and then there's those poor folks who bet their last dime on the horses instead of buying diapers with their welfare money,that you guys are so concerned about,and the crack dealers and prostitutes that hang around the track.

Works both ways guys,I love the horse races,even have family and deep roots involved in it,but it is no better or worse than casino gambling.

[Art]

Yes,and then there's those poor folks who bet their last dime on the horses instead of buying diapers with their welfare money,that you guys are so concerned about,and the crack dealers and prostitutes that hang around the track.

Works both ways guys,I love the horse races,even have family and deep roots involved in it,but it is no better or worse than casino gambling.


I ain't never been to THAT track! If some of those women out at Keeneland are hookers then just call me John!:D

[DoeMaster]

Yes,and then there's those poor folks who bet their last dime on the horses instead of buying diapers with their welfare money,that you guys are so concerned about,and the crack dealers and prostitutes that hang around the track.

Works both ways guys,I love the horse races,even have family and deep roots involved in it,but it is no better or worse than casino gambling.


I don't see anymore crack dealers or prostitutes hanging around the track than I do wal-mart or Mcdonalds!!!!!!!!!

[lonesomepine]

Hang around any track in Ky long enough and you'll see'em,perhaps a better word is "Call Girl" but they are around and exist,along with other shady dealings.

[corndogggy]

I think it's kinda dumb to be all worried about it, especially in a place like Paducah that has one right across the river. Banning it there will only make somebody drive an extra 10 minutes and give all their money to Illinois.

I do disagree with the reason why they're being brought up, to raise tax money as if it's a band-aid, because they used that reasoning to bring in the lottery and it didn't fix anything. The lottery was supposed to be a cure-all, especially for budget problems with schools, yet our schools are much worse now than they were back in the 80's. Why is that?

I say quit worrying about casinos, but also get to the root of the problem with our budget issues and don't view casino's as a way to fill in a gap in the budget.

[corndogggy]

I went to that casino 1 time and I hated every second of it while I was there. I felt like I could have had more fun throwing my money out the window at random people on the way there then putting it in a machine.

Yup, me too. Went to a $1 slot machine, stuck a token in, pulled the lever, bummer, no win... immediately put another $1 token in, pulled the lever, nothing. I spent $5 in way less than a minute, said "this sucks", left, and haven't been back. But, if somebody is thrilled by that, well, by all means, let them knock themselves out. I'm sure there are worse things to get in to.

[whitleycotrapper]

I am originally from Indiana right between Belterra Casino and Grand Victoria Casino. I have been to the casinos and they are fun and do bring in money to the county but it doesnt seem like as much as they said it would. The cops dont really make any more money and they end up working harder than ever keeping the drunks off the road. And country boys beware, if there is one built anywhere near you say goodbye to some of you prime hunting areas. The little slough where Belterra Casino is located used to be some of the best duck hunting around. And that real nice golf course took out my best friends house and some of the best riverside deer hunting in the county was right there before Markland Dam. So there will be a lot of positives and negative it just depends on which side youre on.

[Art]

Hang around any track in Ky long enough and you'll see'em,perhaps a better word is "Call Girl" but they are around and exist,along with other shady dealings.

I'm not really following this theory. I spend a lot of time at Keeneland when the meets are going, but I've never seen anything that suggests what you are saying. I'm not saying that there is not a hooker there somewhere or that nobody there is doing drugs, but I think to imply that it's "a problem" is totally incorrect. Like Doemaster says, you are just as likely to run into the same people wherever there is a crowd, be it Wal-Mart or a Casino. As far as I know the Casino in IN was busted for a prostitution ring, not Keeneland.