Mossberg 100 ATR and 4x4 rifles

[25-06]

Has anyone shot these or had any experience with them? The price makes them very appealing,any feedback would be appreciated,Thanks

[mwezell]

This is just MHO, but I would definitely take the Stevens 200 over the Mossberg 100 atr. They are about the same price and from the ones that I have dealt with, I havn't seen a Mossberg yet that will shoot with the Stevens. Your mileage may vary.---Mike Ezell

[KodiakJoe153]

This is just MHO, but I would definitely take the Stevens 200 over the Mossberg 100 atr. They are about the same price and from the ones that I have dealt with, I havn't seen a Mossberg yet that will shoot with the Stevens. Your mileage may vary.---Mike Ezell
Not sure on this one but it all depends on the shooter. You can take any gun and work up the right load even using factory's and shot well. It's all in the skill of the shooter. I've seen $1000. rifles get out shot with a cheap old gun with the right shooter.:cool:

[headoftheholler]

I have the ATR in .270 bone stock except a fluted bolt, cheapo scope and I have put better groups on paper from 100 yards than my friends A bolt in 30.06.
Money does not make a shooter.
Andrew

[mwezell]

I have the ATR in .270 bone stock except a fluted bolt, cheapo scope and I have put better groups on paper from 100 yards than my friends A bolt in 30.06.
Money does not make a shooter.
Andrew
Let's see some groups. Pics,Pics, man!
You may well have a good shooting ATR. I won't doubt you at all. How bout that fluted bolt. What's the story on that? Who did the work or where did you get it with a fluted bolt?
The nut on the back of the gun is the most important regardless of the gun itself, I agree.
I won't make this a Ford vs. Chevy debate or anything, but for out of the box accuracy, savage and Tikka guns are hard to beat overall for a hunting rifle. Now to the question of whether money makes a shooter or not, that is a whole nother story. I promise you it does. A well built custom rifle will consistantly outperform a factory gun. Not that you can't get a real screamer group from a factory gun but, one good group just won't cut it against a custom. Consistancy is what it's all about.
Take any factory gun and shoot 10 five shot groups at 100 yards and average. This is a good indicator of the guns agging ability. Then let's compare.

[Fords4life]

i just bought one in 30-06 last weekend and mounted up a tasco wordclass 3-9x40. hopefully i can get down to Knob Creek range. With everything i've read on others experiences with these rifles i am sure i won't be dissapointed.

[headoftheholler]

Let's see some groups. Pics,Pics, man!
You may well have a good shooting ATR. I won't doubt you at all. How bout that fluted bolt. What's the story on that? Who did the work or where did you get it with a fluted bolt?
The nut on the back of the gun is the most important regardless of the gun itself, I agree.
I won't make this a Ford vs. Chevy debate or anything, but for out of the box accuracy, savage and Tikka guns are hard to beat overall for a hunting rifle. Now to the question of whether money makes a shooter or not, that is a whole nother story. I promise you it does. A well built custom rifle will consistantly outperform a factory gun. Not that you can't get a real screamer group from a factory gun but, one good group just won't cut it against a custom. Consistancy is what it's all about.
Take any factory gun and shoot 10 five shot groups at 100 yards and average. This is a good indicator of the guns agging ability. Then let's compare.

I didn't take a camera to the range but the groups (five 3 shot groups) were consistanly touching and / or overlapping at 100 yards. I got the fluted bolt done through Kampfeld. Not really functional but more or less just eye candy. Using the right ammo (it takes a couple of boxes of different manufacturer) you can buy a tack driver for cheap. My ammo of choice is corbon's loaded with barnes X's. Not the prettiest gun but the dead deer don't seem to mind. I've harvested 4 in two years with it, but will give it a rest next year and try out my new .45/70. (Only cost $240 by the way) Something to keep in mind, it doesn't take a sub moa rifle to kill a deer, not to mention that most people can't afford to drop 3 or 4 grand on a "custom" rifle.

[mwezell]

Sounds like you have got a good shooting gun there.

[headoftheholler]

Sounds like you have got a good shooting gun there.

Ahh, just lucked up. :)

I wouldn't mind a new smith and wesson in .270 though, sweet gun.

[kycowboy]

i have the mossberg atr 270 have had no trouble with it

[killinmammals]

Alot of people like them, I have seen a couple with small defects, but mossberg has fixed them and been really nice about it. I know a mossberg rep and he goes way out of his way to make people happy with their guns.

[schroader]

I have one, mossburge that is. mine will shot 2 inch groups at 100 yard. I was really impressed with it and the price of it.

[A.K.A. GROUSEGUNNER]

I have one, mossburge that is. mine will shot 2 inch groups at 100 yard. I was really impressed with it and the price of it.

This proves mikes point quite well, as well as the consistancy of the mossberg rifle. One persons got a gun thats shootin one holers while another has that same gun & it wont even shoot an inch at 100 yards, in fact double that. Compare that to mike building you two rifles with identical componets. I garauntee the results will far exceed what two mass produced rifles will. probably shootin .5 inch or less.

[schroader]

This proves mikes point quite well, as well as the consistancy of the mossberg rifle. One persons got a gun thats shootin one holers while another has that same gun & it wont even shoot an inch at 100 yards, in fact double that. Compare that to mike building you two rifles with identical componets. I garauntee the results will far exceed what two mass produced rifles will. probably shootin .5 inch or less.

whats it matter if it shoots 4'' groups at 400 yards, if you cant kill a deer or elk with a gun that shoots 2'' groups you shouldnt be hunting period.

[rick243]

whats it matter if it shoots 4'' groups at 400 yards, if you cant kill a deer or elk with a gun that shoots 2'' groups you shouldnt be hunting period.

Like this? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk0HYn2u7c0

I have owned several customs and have to agree with Mike. I know that .5" groups are not required for big game but I just like hunting with a rifle that will shoot that well. Leaves no excuses if I miss.:o

[trust me]

A 2 moa rifle is fine for 99.99% of the hunting any of us will ever do. If you need better than that, you probably can afford it with no problem anyway.

[hwright]

You know what I don't understand? Who cares what the gun is capable of. I bought one of the Mossbegs this year. It is a 30-06. If the gun will shoot 2 inch groups at 100 yards off a bench that is good enough for me. Thats because when you take the bench away I may or may not be able to make 2 inch groups at that same distance. In other words, as far as I am concerned its the shooter not the gun. I know my limitations and I don't really care what the guns are, well within reason anyways. After all, how many times do you have a bench with a vise set up in the deer stand. Thats just my .02.... HEATH

[mwezell]

The fact is that you don't HAVE TO have a custom gun that shoots
better than the average factory gun to kill a deer, but once you have a true 3/8" hunting gun, MOST people won't be satisfied with a gun that shoots 2". To steal a phrase from someone on another forum, "only accurate guns are interesting to me". This is not meant to put anybody's gun down in any way. I hunt open fields where it is common to shoot 300-400 yards and further. I won't take a shot that far with a gun that I don't have complete confidence in. If the gun shoots 2" @ 100 yards, it will only shoot 6" groups at 300 yards in a perfect world, not in the real one. If I can keep MY margin of error within 2-3" at 300 and the gun adds another 6" to my (8-9")shot then I will miss or wound an animal. If I am using a 1/2" gun, at 300yds that gun will be shooting 3-1/2-4-1/2" groups including my 2-3" margin. That should be a dead animal. Different strokes for different folks, that's all. But again, if you have ever owned a real 3/8-1/2" rifle then you know what I'm saying and MOST people won't be satisfied with a gun that shoots 2" after having a real shooter. There is a difference, just not one that you will see in the woods shooting at 50-60 yards at a deer. And if a box of shells will last you for 10 years you will never appreciate a custom rifle. If you still don't see the point in an accurate rifle, shoot one.---Mike Ezell

[A.K.A. GROUSEGUNNER]

[quote=hwright;520694]You know what I don't understand? Who cares what the gun is capable of.[/quot

For ME this is what I'm spending my hard earned money on, the guns performance. If I had a new gun that gave me 2moa at 100 yards it would be sent back to the manufacturer.To each their own here, I'm not trying to decide for someone else if their money was well spent. Keep in mind, rifle shooting is a hobby for me, not something I do the week before gun season. Most of my shooting is done from the bench, not the tree.

[GunCat]

Reading this thread had made me think a good bit on what defines an accurate rifle - and that is where the confusion starts. I’m with Mike E. in thinking that only accurate guns are interesting (I believe it was Col. Townsend Whelen that first coined that phrase). In my mind the fun comes in defining accurate (and extracting the last bit of accuracy the gun can offer.)

Defining "accurate" or better said "suitable accuracy" is going to vary from one application to another. The 100 yard deer hunter has one standard, the open field deer or varmint hunter another. Add those that like to shoot the various competitive sports to our mix and you open another set of criteria. If we must define an accurate rifle at some number most of the gun rags have everyone convinced that we are talking sub MOA (the Benchrest shooters are an exception). But we might be better off to look at what is adequate for the purpose. For the 100 yard deer hunter a gun that I can shoot into a 3" circle at 100 yards might be all he needs, stretch that shot out to 300-400 yards and Mike Ezell just explained why the 3 MOA gun ain’t gonna cut the mustard. My old shot out 73 Winchester will hit the 25 yard cowboy action targets all day, but when the 100 yard match starts I’d do just as well to throw rocks - so I grab another gun more suited to the job at hand.

Someone earlier mentioned: it all depends on the shooter. You can take any gun and work up the right load even using factory's and shoot well. It's all in the skill of the shooter.

I can’t agree with that. While a good shooter can extract all the accuracy potential a gun has to offer nobody is going to sit behind a rifle that is not mechanically capable of better than a 3" 5 shot group at 100 yards and will it into shooting a 1/2" group . The Jedi force is not that strong. And no one can take an out of the box Winchester 94 in .30-30 and consistently hit prairie dog size targets at 300 yards. That doesn’t mean that there is a thing wrong with the gun, we’ve just got to keep in mind the purpose for which the gun was designed.

On the flip side: The gun will not make the shooter. Just because I buy the latest whiz bang loudenboomer high dollar bolt gun doesn’t ensure that I can shoot it as well as the factory guarantee. I may not even be able to shoot my gun as well as the next guy I hand it to.:mad:

Having said that (and at the risk of making some mad) I will claim that the majority of shooters I’ve encountered over the years will never shoot their rifle up to its accuracy potential (and they may go happily through life without needing to do so). Shooting for group is a learned skill, same as scouting a trophy deer or calling a duck. You might luck into it from time to time but to do it consistently requires skill and practice.

I think we’ve come to an Apples and Oranges comparison. Nothing wrong with either, just different needs for different purposes.

[trust me]

Having said that (and at the risk of making some mad) I will claim that the majority of shooters I’ve encountered over the years will never shoot their rifle up to its accuracy potential (and they may go happily through life without needing to do so). Shooting for group is a learned skill, same as scouting a trophy deer or calling a duck. You might luck into it from time to time but to do it consistently requires skill and practice.



That statement shouldn't make anyone mad. It is the truth, plain and simple. Very few shooters can stand on their hind legs and hit a 12 inch target at 100 yards every time. Virtually every gun is capable of it, but not many shooters are.

[Fords4life]

well 6 months later i finally took my 100atr to the range and i am impressed. i mounted a 3-9x40 Tasco World Class and was shooting 3/4" groups at 100 yards. 2" groups at 300. if anyone has been to Knob Creek i was able to hit a milk jug at the top of the hill at the back of the range 450+ yards out. All of this was done with M2 ball ammo and a 25 yard zero.

[iceman59]

I happen to have both a Mossberg Atr and a Stevens 200. I got the Atr as a present. At first I had my doubts about it. I put a Simmons 3x9x 40 on it that I had owned for several years. After shooting it on the range,I was pleasantly surprised. Groupings were very good. This in .270 and is what I use for deer hunting. I bought the Stevens because a buddy owns 2 of them and is well satisfied. This gun is a 25-06 for varminting which mossberg doesn't make.