telecheck review

[pitbull270]

this may have already been discussed but what are your feelings on the new telcheck review system? i have my own opinions that i will keep to myself for the time being...

[blackangus]

If you read the sticky post, most seem to love it.

I really don't see any downside to it, but I would imagine poachers hate it.

[retiredbowhunter]

good tool to stop use of tags that are not your own

[turk2di]

Need to close the loophole on " unknowns"!

[Xi Bowhunter]

Need to close the loophole on " unknowns"!
I agree!!!!!!

[schroader]

I dont understand what it has to with poachers hate, what makes you think that a poacher would check in a poached deer. I mean a man kills a deer at 11:00 and hes going to run strait home a check it in:cool:

[NonTyp]

I dont understand what it has to with poachers hate, what makes you think that a poacher would check in a poached deer. I mean a man kills a deer at 11:00 and hes going to run strait home a check it in:cool:

I think you would be surprised how many guys kill deer and check them on someone elses tag(wife,child,grand parent,etc). These are poached deer! I like this new system and I will keep an eye on a few!

[Xi Bowhunter]

I think you would be surprised how many guys kill deer and check them on someone elses tag(wife,child,grand parent,etc). These are poached deer! I like this new system and I will keep an eye on a few!

You are correct, these ARE poached deer in every sense of the word. People who check in a 2nd buck or other deer on someone else's tag should be ashamed.

[sirgiovanni]

I keep waiting for someone on here to post my name and talk about how I did something illegal. :(

[WildmanWilson]

The one thing I don't like is if you want to keep what county you killed your deer in a secret you can't unless you lie about it. All it takes is someone knowing where you killed a big buck and your spot is shot. I know this first hand. For the most part it will be your buddies, cousins, the guys down the road, ect...If you only hunt that one spot then they will know anyway but if you hunt a couple areas you can still keep it on the down low.

I dont see it as being useful anyway other than checking the accuracy of the deer you entered. It's still going to be hard to prove someone isnt checking deer with all the unknowns.

[teacher]

I have seen a few women on there right under a man with same last name checking a buck.. I'm not saying they didn't kill it or anything, but it looks funny..

[lances]

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I second this. This will slow the poachers.

quote=turk2di;498015]Need to close the loophole on " unknowns"![/quote]

[Chimpy]

I don't like it at all --- it's noone else's business how many deer I've killed, or where I've killed them. People are spending WAY too much time looking at how many deer others hav killed --- get a hobby. The only people who need to see these results are the KDFW. I'm sure there are many people who have hit the wrong # when telechecking a deer, checking a buck as a doe, or a doe as a buck. Who cares --- they want deer killed. People will always cheat, it's the American way. Everybody needs to stop worrying about what everybody else is doing, unless they are trespassing or breaking laws on their property.

[Xi Bowhunter]

I don't like it at all --- it's noone else's business how many deer I've killed, or where I've killed them. People are spending WAY too much time looking at how many deer others hav killed --- get a hobby. The only people who need to see these results are the KDFW. I'm sure there are many people who have hit the wrong # when telechecking a deer, checking a buck as a doe, or a doe as a buck. Who cares --- they want deer killed. People will always cheat, it's the American way. Everybody needs to stop worrying about what everybody else is doing, unless they are trespassing or breaking laws on their property.

With the CO's spread as thin as they are in KY, they need all the help they can get. Your comment is slanted to a poacher mentality....Does someone have a guilty consense?

[Chimpy]

My conscience is as clean as they come, unless you're talking about 2-legged does. I'm just saying poaching will never go away, and the people you need to worry about are not on the telecheck system. We used to get 20 crop damage permits every year, and now they won't give us any, even though we've got a butt-load of deer that need to be shot. It's all about money. One CO actually told us that if we had so many deer, we should just shoot them and drag them to the creek --- they just want deer killed. So if a guy checks a deer in under his wifes name, is it wrong? Yes it's wrong, but at least it's being checked in, and he's only cheating himself and his hunting companions that hunt his property. The problem will NEVER be solved.

[hannibal]

I have seen a few women on there right under a man with same last name checking a buck.. I'm not saying they didn't kill it or anything, but it looks funny..

maybe a husband took his wife hunting? i did this on sunday and if two deer had walked out we would have blasted both of them. could it be a daughter too?

[Xi Bowhunter]

My conscience is as clean as they come, unless you're talking about 2-legged does. I'm just saying poaching will never go away, and the people you need to worry about are not on the telecheck system. We used to get 20 crop damage permits every year, and now they won't give us any, even though we've got a butt-load of deer that need to be shot. It's all about money. One CO actually told us that if we had so many deer, we should just shoot them and drag them to the creek --- they just want deer killed. So if a guy checks a deer in under his wifes name, is it wrong? Yes it's wrong, but at least it's being checked in, and he's only cheating himself and his hunting companions that hunt his property. The problem will NEVER be solved.

Chimpy,

If your local CO told you to kill deer and drag them into the creek with a straight face, he is either trying to set you up, or he needs to be reported....and I would go ahead and report.

What are the reasons you can't get crop tags anymore? Did they give an explanation?

If your deer problem is that sever on your land, I am sure you wouldn't have any problem finding friends and family willing to shoot the minimum tag allowance of two deer on their state-wide license.

I guess checking in a deer under your wife's name is better than no checking it in at all, but it is still wrong. There are other, more legal ways to go about it. If you have a sit-down with a CO that knows what he is talking about, I'm sure he would have a solution for you.

And Chimpy, you are right. Poaching will ALWAYS be a problem, but it is our duty as upstanding hunters and outdoorsmen to set a good example and do the right thing, even if it seems silly. If we don't do the right thing, we are no better than the poachers we are talking about.

[teacher]

maybe a husband took his wife hunting? i did this on sunday and if two deer had walked out we would have blasted both of them. could it be a daughter too?
I know very well that it's possible.. After further looking at some counties around me, Lewis being one, I seen a woman's name that I work with checking in a buck.. Guess what she said when I asked her if she deer hunts? Again, maybe it was someone else with the same name living in the same county..

[sirgiovanni]

This is the problem. Too many cooks in the kitchen and if you dislike the system, you'll be accused a poacher. My name appears with 2 bucks and 2 does on the same day because my father and I killed a buck and doe on the same date and yes, we have the same name except for a number at the end. They did not differentiate by which number we are. Therefore, some over zealous redneck who had a bad year will now likely have me investigated as a bad guy? My guess from the comments I've read on this forum is yes.

[PhilpotHunter]

I don't like it at all --- it's noone else's business how many deer I've killed, or where I've killed them. People are spending WAY too much time looking at how many deer others hav killed --- get a hobby. The only people who need to see these results are the KDFW.

I agree. It isn't anyones business. I don't like the fact my name is out there for the world to see. I don't have anything to hide, if you look right now I have a buck and a doe killed and checked, all legal. Hopefully by tomorrowI will have atleast one more doe. But why does everyone in the world need to know that?

[buzzbaiter83]

I hate the telecheck system. I know of dads killing deer during youth season for their sons. How is a 4 year old gonna kill a buck with a high power rifle?? Wives, brothers, children all tag in deer. And then I have hear of people shooting a deer and marking their tag, never calling it in and going to walmart and saying they lost their deer tags. Then poof, magically they can kill another deer.

[120+]

I hate the telecheck system. I know of dads killing deer during youth season for their sons. How is a 4 year old gonna kill a buck with a high power rifle?? Wives, brothers, children all tag in deer. And then I have hear of people shooting a deer and marking their tag, never calling it in and going to walmart and saying they lost their deer tags. Then poof, magically they can kill another deer.

And how is that any different with the telecheck than with the old check in stations?

[MrHank]

I like it but, my wife hunts and has hunted for the past 10 years. One of her co-workers husbands is a GW in our county. Well he saw where my wife killed a buck opening day and that I had killed a buck plus 5 does, well he started asking his wife if he knew anything about it and that he thought I had shot it and checked it in under her name. Well my wife found out about this and got very angry, she got his email address at work and sent him a bunch of pics with her deer and me of mine and then proceeded to tell him that she had hunted for the past ten years and this was not her first deer. This GW's father in law even taught my wifes hunter safety course last year so we could apply for some quota hunts and he knows she hunts. I really like the system but alot of peoples wives do hunt and this guy just assumed I had shot the deer and tagged it under her. He also wondered why I had tagged so many does and she had only tagged the buck. Well my wife likes to hunt but once she put that buck down she has not wanted to get out of bed in the morning, so she has left the does to me. I just can't believe this guy does not even know me and I am getting accused of breaking the law. This all just happened yeterday so I am wondering if she got a email back from him today.

[buckfever]

I agree. It isn't anyones business. I don't like the fact my name is out there for the world to see. I don't have anything to hide, if you look right now I have a buck and a doe killed and checked, all legal. Hopefully by tomorrowI will have atleast one more doe. But why does everyone in the world need to know that?

And while they're at it. . . they need to take our names out of the phone book too. Nobody needs to know where I live. :D

[Xi Bowhunter]

This is the problem. Too many cooks in the kitchen and if you dislike the system, you'll be accused a poacher. My name appears with 2 bucks and 2 does on the same day because my father and I killed a buck and doe on the same date and yes, we have the same name except for a number at the end. They did not differentiate by which number we are. Therefore, some over zealous redneck who had a bad year will now likely have me investigated as a bad guy? My guess from the comments I've read on this forum is yes.

I agree. It isn't anyones business. I don't like the fact my name is out there for the world to see. I don't have anything to hide, if you look right now I have a buck and a doe killed and checked, all legal. Hopefully by tomorrowI will have atleast one more doe. But why does everyone in the world need to know that?

If you are both legal, and get questioned about it, then you have nothing to worry about right? Then why complain?

[PhilpotHunter]

If you are both legal, and get questioned about it, then you have nothing to worry about right? Then why complain?

Not complaining about it, just not sure I like it. Not even sure why I don't like it but I don't.

[120+]

If you are both legal, and get questioned about it, then you have nothing to worry about right? Then why complain?

Exactly. It's a small price to pay for helping the COs find poached deer.

[120+]

I like it but, my wife hunts and has hunted for the past 10 years. One of her co-workers husbands is a GW in our county. Well he saw where my wife killed a buck opening day and that I had killed a buck plus 5 does, well he started asking his wife if he knew anything about it and that he thought I had shot it and checked it in under her name. Well my wife found out about this and got very angry, she got his email address at work and sent him a bunch of pics with her deer and me of mine and then proceeded to tell him that she had hunted for the past ten years and this was not her first deer. This GW's father in law even taught my wifes hunter safety course last year so we could apply for some quota hunts and he knows she hunts. I really like the system but alot of peoples wives do hunt and this guy just assumed I had shot the deer and tagged it under her. He also wondered why I had tagged so many does and she had only tagged the buck. Well my wife likes to hunt but once she put that buck down she has not wanted to get out of bed in the morning, so she has left the does to me. I just can't believe this guy does not even know me and I am getting accused of breaking the law. This all just happened yeterday so I am wondering if she got a email back from him today.

So did you explain to your wife that it's not a big deal and really not anything to get mad about?

[jarhedhntr]

I gotta say I don't mind it at all. Since there are so many out there that won't police there own and so many that complain about the lack of tracability, this works for me. If you know someone killed a deer and then don't see where they checked it, turn them in. My guess is there are more out there abusing the telecheck then there are out right spotlighters and road shooters. The laws and regs are in place for a reason. Without accurate numbers then they can't judge limits and season lengths. But you can't please everyone so why try. I hope they say we don't care if you like it or not, but that is how it is going to be.

[sirgiovanni]

This information seems dangerous to me. I would think it would be fairly easy to pattern an individual by their telecheck records to see when they are hunting or not. I definately don't think criminals should have access to my personal travel records, even beyond my issue of disgruntled hunters seeing them.

[120+]

This information seems dangerous to me. I would think it would be fairly easy to pattern an individual by their telecheck records to see when they are hunting or not. I definately don't think criminals should have access to my personal travel records, even beyond my issue of disgruntled hunters seeing them.

Given the amount of person info available on Google maps and the Internet in general, to me this info seems like the least of a person's worries in that regard.

[sirgiovanni]

Given the amount of person info available on Google maps and the Internet in general, to me this info seems like the least of a person's worries in that regard.

There is little information out there that makes me comfortable to accept and I see no reason to justify sharing more based on the fact that we are losing control of individual privacy.

[Multidigits]

There is little information out there that makes me comfortable to accept and I see no reason to justify sharing more based on the fact that we are losing control of individual privacy.

In this case, you have options. I don't see any info there that could be used to pattern what your doing. Shows a county in Ky. on a day you killed a deer, how is someone going to use that info against you????

[quackrstackr]

In this case, you have options. I don't see any info there that could be used to pattern what your doing. Shows a county in Ky. on a day you killed a deer, how is someone going to use that info against you????

I'm waiting for one of the animal rights wacko groups to get ahold of that list along with some KY phone books and start harassing people at all hours of the day and night.

[Multidigits]

I'm waiting for one of the animal rights wacko groups to get ahold of that list along with some KY phone books and start harassing people at all hours of the day and night.

Not sure that if they did, that it would be against the law for interferring with a hunt? Anyway, if it's public record, they might have had access to it all along if they requested it anyway.

[maxcam]

I dont see anything wrong with it.....I pray that the anti's one day start harrassing me........It would probably drive me over the edge to a mental break down and who knows what I would be capable of ? :rolleyes:

[quackrstackr]

I don't think they could be charged with interfering since the hunt is already over with. Harassment of some sort maybe.

I can see it happening as soon as they get a hold of it though. I'm actually surprised we don't have more of them pop up on here.

[Multidigits]

I don't think they could be charged with interfering since the hunt is already over with. Harassment of some sort maybe.

I can see it happening as soon as they get ahold of it though. I'm actually surprised we don't have more of them pop up on here.


It's part of the hunt, past and if they harrass people it could effect a future hunt in some way. I not too worried about it either way. Hope they add this for turkeys before the Spring if they haven't already

[sirgiovanni]

Does it really matter that this bothers me or will I now be put on the punk out list for stating a disagreement with a current system? :)

I personally don't think people need to be able to track my travel patterns. I think it's bad enough that the credit card companies can. Past history can quite easily be used to predict future performance. I use this technique every day in manufacturing.

I really don't understand how any of this will help identify bad people. If I want to do something illegal, I sure wouldn't be so ignorant to call it in. And yes I'm sure that comment just got me labelled as a criminal. My freezer carries no shame.

How many names have been brought up to this board so far as potential criminals? I can remember at least 3 people being brought up as wrong do'ers. I've even been humorously tempted to look up the people I know to see if they checked their deer in and stopped myself. It's not my job to care about that. I go out every year and get whatever deer I need for the freezer then go back to my own job. I've been able to do that long before it became necessary to post my freezer's contents and hunting patterns on the world wide internet. So see Multi, you don't have to get your keyboard ready, I like the Department's job history. :D

[120+]

Does it really matter that this bothers me or will I now be put on the punk out list for stating a disagreement with a current system? :)

I personally don't think people need to be able to track my travel patterns. I think it's bad enough that the credit card companies can. Past history can quite easily be used to predict future performance. I use this technique every day in manufacturing.

I really don't understand how any of this will help identify bad people. If I want to do something illegal, I sure wouldn't be so ignorant to call it in. And yes I'm sure that comment just got me labelled as a criminal. My freezer carries no shame.

How many names have been brought up to this board so far as potential criminals? I can remember at least 3 people being brought up as wrong do'ers. I've even been humorously tempted to look up the people I know to see if they checked their deer in and stopped myself. It's not my job to care about that. I go out every year and get whatever deer I need for the freezer then go back to my own job. I've been able to do that long before it became necessary to post my freezer's contents and hunting patterns on the world wide internet. So see Multi, you don't have to get your keyboard ready, I like the Department's job history. :D

Well I think that's kind of the reason for doing this. The COs can't possibly catch all the people who kill more than they should or tag under someone else's name so they can keep buck hunting without help. By posting the info we can give them tips on possible offenders. I personally know of a buck that was shot last week and I don't see the person's name listed. I guess if you don't care enough about that kind of thing then I guess it won't help.
And calling a deer in isn't really ignorance since you have to do that if you take it to be processed or have it mounted, unless you do it yourself.

Help me understand how displaying when you killed a deer is going to help people track you? You don't kill every time you go hunting plus if someone knows you hunt a lot they are going to know you are probably out hunting on opening day of gun season or sometime during those two weeks. I really don't see how this helps.

[therron258]

Does it really matter that this bothers me or will I now be put on the punk out list for stating a disagreement with a current system? :)

I personally don't think people need to be able to track my travel patterns. I think it's bad enough that the credit card companies can. Past history can quite easily be used to predict future performance. I use this technique every day in manufacturing.

I really don't understand how any of this will help identify bad people. If I want to do something illegal, I sure wouldn't be so ignorant to call it in. And yes I'm sure that comment just got me labelled as a criminal. My freezer carries no shame.

How many names have been brought up to this board so far as potential criminals? I can remember at least 3 people being brought up as wrong do'ers. I've even been humorously tempted to look up the people I know to see if they checked their deer in and stopped myself. It's not my job to care about that. I go out every year and get whatever deer I need for the freezer then go back to my own job. I've been able to do that long before it became necessary to post my freezer's contents and hunting patterns on the world wide internet. So see Multi, you don't have to get your keyboard ready, I like the Department's job history. :D

maybe you missed part of the point, the review is beneficial so that you as a regular person can help the dept. out. say your neighbor kills a buck, you see it in his truck, you hear him talk about it, then you can go check for his name, if he didnt call it in, you can call the dept and notify them. Its not your job? CO's are underpaid and spread way too thin, they cant possibly do all of it alone, they need other peoples help. Maybe your tune would change real quick if people hunting on land adjacent were doing this, we have the system we do because it works, it doesnt need to be corrupted by poachers...it was a great move to begin telecheck review IMO.

[MrHank]

My wife understands that its nothing to be mad about but its the point that the GW automaticaly assumes that she does'nt hunt and I am poaching. They want women to be involved in hunting and then they go and assume shes just another tag for me. Overall I like the thing it just takes one GW to make them all look bad, even though I know they are not all like that.

[therron258]

My wife understands that its nothing to be mad about but its the point that the GW automaticaly assumes that she does'nt hunt and I am poaching. They want women to be involved in hunting and then they go and assume shes just another tag for me. Overall I like the thing it just takes one GW to make them all look bad, even though I know they are not all like that.
maybe he has learned from it and wont be so hasty to make assumptions/decisions about people from now on, but in his defense, he was just doing his job.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Not complaining about it, just not sure I like it. Not even sure why I don't like it but I don't.
Philpot, this made me laugh:D You just don't like it, and that is a good-enough reason.

[KYDEERCHASR]

hey, nothing is fool proof. unless a co {only honest ones}is sitting in the stand with every person hunting there is a way to beat the system. i know of someone who has killed 3 does in marion county, but has checked them as taken in another zone 1 county. cant prove this, but am sure of it.
you are only really accountable for yourself. your either honest or your not.

this may not be the best way, i dont know, but its what we got.

when you cheat the system to me your only stealing from yourself.

[120+]

My wife understands that its nothing to be mad about but its the point that the GW automaticaly assumes that she does'nt hunt and I am poaching. They want women to be involved in hunting and then they go and assume shes just another tag for me. Overall I like the thing it just takes one GW to make them all look bad, even though I know they are not all like that.

That happened even before the telecheck. I remember some guys rolling their eyes at a woman checking in a decent buck at a check-in-station with her husband. She was mad as well. I guess that part will never change no matter how you check one.

[KYDEERCHASR]

my wife will be hunting (carrying a gun for the first time tomorrow}. i hope she kills a monster. if she does i know people will talk,but who cares.

[huntinfever]

I still think it is great. It just makes people a little uncomfortable that it is easier to get caught by your peers.Sure there will be wrongful accusations but if you are legal there is nothing to worry about.
There will always be rumors and hearsay regardless of being able to see it on the site.It is so unlikely of getting caught by a CO it is unreal.Now there is hopefully a tool to give them help.There is no way one man can possibly do enough to curb the illegal problems in his county.
As far as other people knowing,I could care less.If we knew how much of our info was in peoples hands it would scare you.I actually know a man who would never check in his deer because he didn't want them to have his social security number.How paranoid is that? I never knew when he killed a deer or if it got checked in.To bad he quit hunting before this system:D
Illegal activity regardless of what kind thrives on people looking the other way.Maybe the good guys will start winning.
Allan

[Fat Tony]

I have a call in trying to figure out why only some of the ones we have called in and gotten conf #'s for have hit the system. :confused:

[Landguy]

Some folks are uncomfortable with having this information on the web but you have to remember that KDFW is a state agency. Since taxpayer dollars fund the state, most information is public record with the exception of some tax records and child welfare info.

[tbailey]

It's part of the hunt, past and if they harrass people it could effect a future hunt in some way. I not too worried about it either way. Hope they add this for turkeys before the Spring if they haven't already

It's already on the same web page reflecting spring and fall harvests.

Change the "type" to turkey on the pull down menu.

[sirgiovanni]

So we are going to be tattle tales on our neighbors, co-workers, friends and family about killing a deer? Wow that sounds great.

I have had a single experience with reporting someone. It was a tresspasser and I was told not to worry about it because they were probably just coon hunting. We couldn't even pull into our land because his truck blocked our gate. As soon as the CO left, the guy game out of the woods with his bow. Big surprise.

I wonder how many couch warriors will be submiting problems from this improved data system and what will actually be done about it? If they don't have time to deal with it now, how will they have time to deal with 100 times the amount of reports?

[ptbrauch]

Ok, so people don't like that everyone can see what they've checked in, but alot of the same people don't like telecheck in general and wish we'd go back to the check stations? Couldn't and didn't people hang out at the check station just to see what was checked in and by whom? Isn't this system just a digital check station?

As for myself, I wish I had the problem of having to worry about what people thought about what I checked in. Heck, I just wish I had something to check in. Or at least something that didn't go "moo". If anyone has an excess of deer they want eradicated, PM me.

[120+]

So we are going to be tattle tales on our neighbors, co-workers, friends and family about killing a deer? Wow that sounds great.

I have had a single experience with reporting someone. It was a tresspasser and I was told not to worry about it because they were probably just coon hunting. We couldn't even pull into our land because his truck blocked our gate. As soon as the CO left, the guy game out of the woods with his bow. Big surprise.

I wonder how many couch warriors will be submiting problems from this improved data system and what will actually be done about it? If they don't have time to deal with it now, how will they have time to deal with 100 times the amount of reports?

You're right. Why don't we go back to the old check in stations and just sit around and moan and complain about poachers and people who kill more deer than they should and whine about how OTHERS should do something more about it. Yes, that seems like a good plan. Is that an idea you can get behind?

[Fat Tony]

So we are going to be tattle tales on our neighbors, co-workers, friends and family about killing a deer?


Hopefully.

[sirgiovanni]

You're right. Why don't we go back to the old check in stations and just sit around and moan and complain about poachers and people who kill more deer than they should and whine about how OTHERS should do something more about it. Yes, that seems like a good plan. Is that an idea you can get behind?

I like telecheck. I don't like the idea of people sitting around reading the names and pretending to be renta-COs off the internet. Or reading the names and doing worse. I don't understand what has happened to this country that we have lost all sense of a right to privacy.

[Multidigits]

When you agree to come to this State and use a public owned resource, you just recently gave up a very small piece of that privacy.

[120+]

I like telecheck. I don't like the idea of people sitting around reading the names and pretending to be renta-COs off the internet. Or reading the names and doing worse. I don't understand what has happened to this country that we have lost all sense of a right to privacy.

I guess I don't understand how killing a deer, that you have to buy a tag for and check in with the state, is a right to privacy issue.

Before the telecheck came about, did you wear a ski mask when you went to the check station?

I know that sounds absurd but I really don't see why this is an issue.

[MrHank]

I did not know that the GW's job was to be suspicious of women checking in deer, if thats the case he needs to check all the women in the county that has checked in deer not just the one that works with his wife. If a woman that hunts husband checks in a deer first do you think the GW is assuming his wife is using her husband to check in a buck for her. He should not make that assumption just because less women hunt than men.

[PhilpotHunter]

XI, laugh if you want, but I like my privacy. For the guys that know me, you can plainly see my two deer listed on there, and hopefully you will see two more before it is over. I'm legal, always have been, I just don't like the lack of privacy.

[Xi Bowhunter]

XI, laugh if you want, but I like my privacy. For the guys that know me, you can plainly see my two deer listed on there, and hopefully you will see two more before it is over. I'm legal, always have been, I just don't like the lack of privacy.

I just thought they way you said, "I don't like it, but I don't know why" was funny. Nothing wrong with privacy, but I think this little "invasion", if you can call it that, will do more good than harm. I mean we aren't talking about the Bush administration's wire tap program or anything:D, just your name on a list with your harvest. I don't see the harm in it, but that is just me.

[120+]

I just thought they way you said, "I don't like it, but I don't know why" was funny. Nothing wrong with privacy, but I think this little "invasion", if you can call it that, will do more good than harm. I mean we aren't talking about the Bush administration's wire tap program or anything:D, just your name on a list with your harvest. I don't see the harm in it, but that is just me.

I still would like for someone to explain to me why this is considered an invasion of privacy. I must have missed the part where they list the GPS coordinates of your treestand location?

[slickhead slayer]

I like telecheck. I don't like the idea of people sitting around reading the names and pretending to be renta-COs off the internet. Or reading the names and doing worse. I don't understand what has happened to this country that we have lost all sense of a right to privacy.

You can get more information out of a phone book than off telecheck. I would think that the only people who have a problem with it are those being unlawful.

[slickhead slayer]

I did not know that the GW's job was to be suspicious of women checking in deer, if thats the case he needs to check all the women in the county that has checked in deer not just the one that works with his wife. If a woman that hunts husband checks in a deer first do you think the GW is assuming his wife is using her husband to check in a buck for her. He should not make that assumption just because less women hunt than men.

The #1 thing this is going to prevent is people checking bucks in other peoples name, and husbands checking bucks in wives names is the #1 example of this.
He was just asking questions, thats what CO's do. If you and your wife didn't do anything wrong, why all the drama? Whats the big deal.

[PhilpotHunter]

I would think that the only people who have a problem with it are those being unlawful.

Not true. I am being lawful, I just don't like it.

[slickhead slayer]

Not true. I am being lawful, I just don't like it.

What info is it thats considered private??
Its got your name, that you killed a deer, and what county. Where is the harm in any of that?

[Xi Bowhunter]

What info is it thats considered private??
Its got your name, that you killed a deer, and what county. Where is the harm in any of that?

Slick, amazingly, I AGREE with you:eek::D.

[sirgiovanni]

I don't see how I can possibly ever explain myself. I understand what is trying to be accomplished, I think it is poor. There are plenty of deer without my name, dates, and locations being posted. I am a private person and only recently started allowing my name to show in the phone book. Years of managing large numbers of people tend to create situations that make a person seek privacy. I have had employees tell me the results of their internet searches on me in the past. It's a vastly open world and we constantly find more of our personal lives being openly shared to more and more people through easier access methods. I understand all your points about this being minimal. I believe I felt trivialized for my concerns and have stated my opinion quite enough, so I'll move on and start looking for friends and families I can have investigated. LOL

[PhilpotHunter]

What info is it thats considered private??
Its got your name, that you killed a deer, and what county. Where is the harm in any of that?

I don't know that there is any harm to it. I just don't like it. No more than the google maps that take you straight to my house. Just don't like it.

[MrHank]

I dont consider him asking his wife if she believes if my wife is telling the truth that she killed her buck and not me. Do you think he ask every woman he meets that hunts and killed a deer if they are checking it in for their husband? If thats the case then he needs to get every womans name off the list and call and ask if they killed their own deer.

[slickhead slayer]

Slick, amazingly, I AGREE with you:eek::D.

Maybe there is hope for you.;):D

[CSS archer]

I believe there are very large numbers of deer checked illegally, this is one way of getting a few of them, and to discourage it in the future. Hunters are the CO's eyes and ears, if you aren't willing to turn one in, you might as well do it yourself as you are condoning it and part of the problem.

While elk hunting Colorado one year we were checked by a CO at camp. He made my wife shoot her bow as he didn't believe she was actually a hunter.

If they get a tip that something is fishy, don't get bent out of shape if you get interviewed, unless there is something fishy.....

[slickhead slayer]

If they get a tip that something is fishy, don't get bent out of shape if you get interviewed, unless there is something fishy.....

Amen. It shows you that the CO's are doing their job.

[predator]

I believe there are very large numbers of deer checked illegally, this is one way of getting a few of them, and to discourage it in the future. Hunters are the CO's eyes and ears, if you aren't willing to turn one in, you might as well do it yourself as you are condoning it and part of the problem.

While elk hunting Colorado one year we were checked by a CO at camp. He made my wife shoot her bow as he didn't believe she was actually a hunter.

If they get a tip that something is fishy, don't get bent out of shape if you get interviewed, unless there is something fishy.....

Good post.:)

[keith meador]

I believe there are very large numbers of deer checked illegally, this is one way of getting a few of them, and to discourage it in the future. Hunters are the CO's eyes and ears, if you aren't willing to turn one in, you might as well do it yourself as you are condoning it and part of the problem.

While elk hunting Colorado one year we were checked by a CO at camp. He made my wife shoot her bow as he didn't believe she was actually a hunter.

If they get a tip that something is fishy, don't get bent out of shape if you get interviewed, unless there is something fishy.....


:Dand he was probably impressed with the results. your wife is a better shooter than most men i know.:D

i have no problem with a CO following up on a tip, and telecheck improvements, like the one that is currently in effect, will help tremendously. now all you have to enter is the hunters last name:D

[GSPonGrouse]

I like it! And I hope that there is more to come. I see no risk in it and word always gets out about a monster so no harm can be done by it. I give the dept a big thumbs up for this one.

[randy grider]

the argument about you and you're fathers name being the same, and getting you investigatedis hogwash! they go by soc sec #, it won't be investigated past that. The only guys that resent this new feature are people who have something to hide!:eek: the unknown's need to be identified, that the only fault in it.

[shogan]

I disagree it (Placing a full name out there) makes hunters easy targets for anti hunter activist. A simple over sight by the department but one that I think should be reviewed.

[raven_over_easy]

I disagree it (Placing a full name out there) makes hunters easy targets for anti hunter activist. A simple over sight by the department but one that I think should be reviewed.

There are laws that protect you from stalking from anti hunters.

[shogan]

There are laws that protect you from stalking from anti hunters.

There are laws against poaching!

[slickhead slayer]

There are laws against poaching!

Poaching is a victimless crime. Its a crime that occurs between a human and an animal, its easy to get away without anyone knowing about it.
Hunter harrasment is a little harder to do without someone knowing. If they harass you,you generally know it.

If they didn't publish your full name, the whole idea would be worthless.

If you hunt, your full name will be open to the public, just like if you buy a house or a pice of property. Its public record.

[ril7572]

I think this will prove to be one of the greatest assets in fighting poaching. When the masses find out about it, It will make a difference.

[canemaker]

Originally Posted by CSS archer http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/showthread.php?p=499874#post499874)
"I believe there are very large numbers of deer checked illegally, this is one way of getting a few of them, and to discourage it in the future."

One thing telecheck does is make some legal hunters, illegal hunters....
I'll explain...Say you killed your deer, it's late your tired and close to home. You dress it out, take it home, the wife and kids need more attention than your deer at the time....well low and behold tommorow comes and you haven't checked your deer. Just an honest and every day mistake, you think, oh well I can't check it now, and I do my own processing, so what......That happens a lot more than anyone in F&W will admit...Years ago when you had to physically put a tag on an animal it was done in a matter of minutes....


And telecheck does nothing to discourage illegal hunters, nothing at all...It just makes it eaiser to hunt illegally...

It's just a fault of the system, and the system has many faults....The old lock on deer tags were the best...couldn't remove them once they were on...

Now all you have to do is ...well, can't tell everything...but most of you know how to beat the system...
NOT that you ever will, because 90% of the hunters I know are very law abiding and honest, almost to a fault....

my humble opinion,

canemaker

[CSS archer]

Originally Posted by CSS archer http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/showthread.php?p=499874#post499874)
"I believe there are very large numbers of deer checked illegally, this is one way of getting a few of them, and to discourage it in the future."

One thing telecheck does is make some legal hunters, illegal hunters....
I'll explain...Say you killed your deer, it's late your tired and close to home. You dress it out, take it home, the wife and kids need more attention than your deer at the time....well low and behold tommorow comes and you haven't checked your deer. Just an honest and every day mistake, you think, oh well I can't check it now, and I do my own processing, so what......That happens a lot more than anyone in F&W will admit...Years ago when you had to physically put a tag on an animal it was done in a matter of minutes....


And telecheck does nothing to discourage illegal hunters, nothing at all...It just makes it eaiser to hunt illegally...

It's just a fault of the system, and the system has many faults....The old lock on deer tags were the best...couldn't remove them once they were on...

Now all you have to do is ...well, can't tell everything...but most of you know how to beat the system...
NOT that you ever will, because 90% of the hunters I know are very law abiding and honest, almost to a fault....

my humble opinion,

canemaker

And this same tired hunter close to home would drive 20 miles to a check station?

Telecheck can be a valuable tool in catching illlegal hunters, the old system required manually going through the check stubs, reading illegible writing, and finding the stub to begin with.

either sytem could be beaten, cheaters will cheat regardless, the new application will let hunters keep check on each other.

[canemaker]

And this same tired hunter close to home would drive 20 miles to a check station?

Telecheck can be a valuable tool in catching illlegal hunters, the old system required manually going through the check stubs, reading illegible writing, and finding the stub to begin with.

either sytem could be beaten, cheaters will cheat regardless, the new application will let hunters keep check on each other.

Due you by chance work for the Dept of Fish and Wildlife, Archer?

If so, I thought so, it does sound like a "canned" answer from Fish and Wildlife.......
If not, I am wrong, and sorry, well not really sorry and only being wrong about something once a year is not all that bad:):):):)

And as far as, and I quote, "the new application will let hunters keep check on each other" goes, it won't...1st and foremost, do you know every one in your county, I don't...only a few will know each other for the most part. Those few will already know if "john doe" killed a deer anyway.

In my county, I saw two people on there that I have never known to hunt, not ever. Does that mean that they didn't kill a deer? You tell me..I just tells me that it may or may not be true. Now, if there was a check in station, the owner of that station may tell me, that person was in a dress when the deer were brought in, or lie about it and say yes, they started hunting this year. But either answer I get, I would have gotten 'face to face'...........

And yes, forcing one to go to a check station actually helped decrease
unintentional law breaking, just because you had to show up in person..

And yes to your other statement of 'the older system requiring more work'
of course it did, duh......That was a 'hands on system', not a phone call or computer system...The officers get paid 7.5 hrs a day. Is that 7.5 better spent pouring over computer records at home, or out in the public eye.

And yes, both systems had their faults..

It just boils down to what was the 'home state' of the director doing at the time Kentucky started it...And they were doing Telecheck..
Plus it saved the Dept some money, or does it. ??

But one thing the old system did, and did well I might add, was to get the Dept's officers out and into the public in more postive way....It forced them to go to these 'general stores' to met with and pick up stubs. Most I knew liked to visit with them, it was a great tool used to 'look a person in the eye' so to speak....Not that the owners would hardly ever turn in a poacher, but it certianly gave them more information than typing on a computer....

just my 2 cents worth, again:)

canemaker

[randy grider]

Most of my deer are killed right before dark, and recovered,gutted,drug to the house well after dark. This makes telecheck real handy. Check stations would be closed, have to go to work the next day,etc.
With telecheck there is no excuse not to call it in. Everybody has access to a phone. I like telecheck, and like the telecheck review. This system is cheaper for KDFW to operate, and gives us all a helping hand in policing the ranks. If it saves the dept money, how is that a bad thing? More money to fund our sport hopefully with the purchase of more public hunting land,improvement of it,or purchase for needed equipment.The CO's could probably use a raise too. They are pretty underpaid considering its the most dangerous law enforcement job out there. Think about it, most violaters they encountered are armed, a good deal drunk, and not to mention all the dope patches and meth labs they run across while out in the boonies, usually alone. Anything we can do to help these guys is important.
HAVE YOU HUGGED YOU"RE CO TODAY !!:D

[ecmbowhunter]

Anything we can do to help these guys is important.There you go.

[quackrstackr]

It is a recurring theme in this thread for the guys that want the old tag system back... they want the feel good "hang out at the mom and pop store on opening morning" back. I have a pretty good feeling that it's more about that than any supposed poaching that may be going on because of how it is supposedly "easier" to do now.

You can't make people that refuse to see that it is no easier to not tag a deer now than it was when we had those locking metal tags.

People that don't want to tag a deer are not going to tag a deer. They know what they're doing when they make that decision. No amount of locking tags, handcuffs, microchips or anything else is going to change that.

To be completely honest, I don't know why they are even bothering to falsely check in these deer unless they are taking it to a processor or having it mounted. Ease their conscience maybe? It's still just as bad as not tagging it at all.

I think there may be more deer checked in now because of the ease of doing so than there were the last several years of the physical tag system.

.... and I don't work for the department

[randy grider]

I guess them falsely tagging is better than no tag at all, At least a tag purchase is made, but its still unacceptable and they deserve a good fine for the deed.

[ecmbowhunter]

.... and I don't work for the departmentOh come on now...we all know that's what they're telling you to say.

[quackrstackr]

Oh come on now...we all know that's what they're telling you to say.

shhhh.... I'm undercover... :cool:

Most people that don't tag probably have one in their pocket. Pretty hard to explain why you're sitting in a deer stand with a weapon in hand and no tag unless you are a landowner.

[canemaker]

Oh come on now...we all know that's what they're telling you to say.

[quote=quackrstackr;508990]It is a recurring theme in this thread for the guys that want the old tag system back... they want the feel good "hang out at the mom and pop store on opening morning" back. I have a pretty good feeling that it's more about that than any supposed poaching that may be going on because of how it is supposedly "easier" to do now.

Well, I for one, am not looking at that from your point of view quack..And no, it's not at all about "hanging out", it's about that it is easier to 'cheat' with the new system.

to quote, "You can't make people that refuse to see that it is no easier to not tag a deer now than it was when we had those locking metal tags."

I see from this above statement that what you said about not working for the Dept in law enforcement is true. Ask most any "gamewarden", not a new CO which was easier to 'cheat' on....remember, you are asking the honest people that question, not the gamewardens that have to enforce it or the poachers....lol

"People that don't want to tag a deer are not going to tag a deer. They know what they're doing when they make that decision. No amount of locking tags, handcuffs, microchips or anything else is going to change that."

Now that statement was very true quack, it's sorta like any criminal..lol

"To be completely honest, I don't know why they are even bothering to falsely check in these deer unless they are taking it to a processor or having it mounted. Ease their conscience maybe? It's still just as bad as not tagging it at all."

Once again, quack, I can tell you are an honest person...and not a gamewarden.......It is done for those reason, to have an confermation # so that it can be mounted or processed, and several others....

"I think there may be more deer checked in now because of the ease of doing so than there were the last several years of the physical tag system."

No, actually less....but remember, we have more deer and deer hunters now then we did then also...:)

canemaker

[quackrstackr]

I see from this above statement that what you said about not working for the Dept in law enforcement is true. Ask most any "gamewarden", not a new CO which was easier to 'cheat' on....remember, you are asking the honest people that question, not the gamewardens that have to enforce it or the poachers....lol



Oh, I've talked to some at length about it. All of the ones that I have talked to actually like the new system. Now they don't have to spend their time collecting stubs or checking in legal deer and can be out in the field trying to catch the illegal people. ;) Honest people were the only ones being seen at those check stations to begin with.

[canemaker]

I see your are from the 1st dist quack, you have a whole lot on new officers there....

I am speaking from my 20+ yrs of experience, and my experience only...

It would be great if the new officers actually "got out into the field" more..but as many in here can testify to, that is just not the case..It's more so department constrants than 'lack of officer want to's' or at least i think it is. But I also am a realist, these new officers are being tasked with more and more non LE stuff every year, and there is a whole lot more emphasis being placed on being a 'cop' than a 'gamewarden' also...

The new system is easy to work with, but it still will never replace face to face contacts....

Like I stated, I know from experience, and mine is an informed opinion, not just a 'well, ok, this it,' type of opinion...

but you all know what they say about opinion's.....ha:)

canemaker

[tenntucky]

But I also am a realist, these new officers are being tasked with more and more non LE stuff every year, and there is a whole lot more emphasis being placed on being a 'cop' than a 'gamewarden' also...
canemaker[/quote]

There it is in a nut shell......Game wardens are not game wardens anymore they are cops. They should be allowed to go back to game management and leave the cop stuff for the guy's that signed up for it. You would then have a lot more wardens out in the feild where they truly want to be.

[quackrstackr]

Game wardens are not game wardens anymore they are cops.

What's the difference? It may be different in different areas of the state but I haven't seen a single one of them on general patrol around here responding to domestic disputes or writing speeding tickets. Running water patrol in the summertime maybe but they're checking fishermen then as well.

Game wardens are "cops" that enforce our wildlife laws. Been that way so long as I can remember.

This entire thread is of the spirit of them being able to catch more criminals.

:confused:

[tenntucky]

This entire thread is of the spirit of them being able to catch more criminals.

:confused:[/quote]

I thought this thread was about catching poachers......wardens need to be in the woods not at the county roadblocks helping get revenue by checking ashtray's and glove box's for illegal game. I remember when we used to hunt forest land in the 70's you could just about count on meeting a warden. They were out there and you knew it. Now they seem to be happy with what they get riding around in boats and setting at roadblocks using their fed or state power to get into vehicles. Writing BUI's and DUI's is important and lucrative to be sure........but this new way of game management is just plain easier I guess. If they concentrate on poaching they would catch more poachers, I think. I am not bashing wardens ...they do what they are told by them real smart ones above...

[canemaker]

And yes, I did all jobs with equal enthusiasm, but I also know that everytime an kdfwr officer write's a citation outside 150 he has to do an incident report....just for enforcing the law...humm, go figure....
I considered myself a gamewarden, not many do these days. I thought that land owners, hunters and sportsman paid my wages. If a coon hunter was afraid to hunt an area because of a suspected "grow" or 'lab', I checked it out, not the 'real' cops, but me, because in my warpped mind I figured that directly affected hunters...

Fish and Wildlife has become political. Even though they draw no tax dollars, more people pay taxes than hunt and fish and boat..And those people also vote for the ones who are in offices that see to F&W grants. So when a special 'need' arises and they need more grants, who get's pleased the most?

It would be different if the commissioners were not slected, and were just elected. But money still talks the loudest. It has become very political...

And Quack...just because you don't see it, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen...And happen a lot...

[huntr467]

It is unreal to me how everyone is arguing about the system used to check in animals.

Some guys seem so obsessed with what everybody else is doing or not doing and think they should play enforcer by monitoring the telecheck. WOW I thought we were taught different than that back in kindergarten!

Was the intent of KDFWR publishing names to get all "internet" hunters to use the system to monitor there friends and foes? If so shame on them.

I have and will turn in every person I "SEE" commit a game law violation but I am not going to go and research them to find out if they have broken the law based on something someone said or something I think they did and even if their name is not there, there are a whole slew of them that say unknown. Me personally, I have more to do with my time than "investigate" something so meaningless and petty. The deer is dead and for everyone 1 that is checked illegally I would be willing to bet there are 100+ more poached at nite.
I know some say that illegally checking a deer is poaching? but atleast that guy has a license to check em under. Most poachers do not AND usually take them off someones elses land.

In summary... I think we all have the responsibility to report game law violaters, but to research someone online and think that just because their name is not where we think it should be, we need to turn em in and waste the CO's time or whoever is going to investigate something that really has no probable cause, we don't know why their name isn't there!

Btu if thats why the KDFWR posts our names then telecheck really is a joke.
Good grief

[canemaker]

Finally someone got the point. Amen.

Rather than me come right out and say what F&W is and has become, I played the 'devils advocate' and left it to others to infer what they may.

Politics you say....lol...What better way to catch someone than through, 'Covet what thy neighbor has' type of syndrome.
Plus, it can then be used 'easily and expeditiously' by F&W officers.

Welcome to the 'new' telecheck......

canemaker

[daking]

I dont know....

I seriously doubt that the KDFWR would act on a complaint from jealous citizen who sees that his neighbor didn't check a deer based on the list. Let's face it. If I went to the trouble of poaching a deer (or not calling one in), I'd be damned sure to have it cut, wrapped and frozen so that its origins are not discernable. Unless someone actually saw the violater kill the deer and was willing to testify that they saw the deer being killed by the violator, then there ain't a lot of evidence. Further, the credibility of the witness could be called into question.

I seriously doubt that the list is posted as a means to help people rat out other people. If that's its purpose, it ain't gonna get much done.

That said, I kind of like the list and I kind of dislike the list.

Like everyone, I'm a little nosy. I want to know if my old pal down in whatever county scored during gun season. It's kind of fun to see who's out there hunting. On the other hand, with every detail of our life subject to the scrutiny of someone with a computer and an internet connection, I'm a little uneasy about one more invasion of our privacy.

Modern life. Ain't it grand?

[quackrstackr]

To tell the truth, I'm having a hard time interpreting just exactly what you are trying to say. (canemaker)

You seem to be talking out both sides of your mouth, so to speak. You also come across as someone who worked closely with the Gamefarm Road crew which would be politics central. I don't see the CO's in this area sitting behind a desk pushing much paper around an office all day. I would say the further away from Frankfort that you get, the less the daily personal politics play into things.

I want the CO's catching the "poachers" (never knew a poacher wasn't a criminal) in whichever manner expediates the process and frees up more resources. I don't need a gamewarden walking through my farm daily to gladhand me and chat me up about how many deer I'm seeing when the guys down the road are hauling off a truck full of untagged deer to their house. I can do that with them in their off hours.

[Valley Station]

One thing for sure, you will not see any "outlaws" supporting the Telechek Review.
It's just to easy for these "clowns" who shoot multiple bucks to get caught, now, with so many "eyes" watching.
A "thief" shoots a buck,Telecheks as a "Antlerless", shows pictures off at the local pub,
needs to be a little nervous, now.
A "pissd citizen" who notices,can call local officer, who pays a visit to "person of interest" and questions why he don't have a confirmation number for buck or fresh racks in his garage.
"Bad habits" can be corrected.

[slickhead slayer]

And as far as, and I quote, "the new application will let hunters keep check on each other" goes, it won't...1st and foremost, do you know every one in your county, I don't...only a few will know each other for the most part. Those few will already know if "john doe" killed a deer anyway.



Thats just silly. Yeah, I only know a handful, but Jim also knows a handful, and Bob knows half a handful, and Tim, Scott, Biff and Billy ray all know two handfulls.
Every hunter I know, has a friend, relative, co-worker, neighbor etc etc, that knows when he killed a buck, if his wife hunts, etc etc. Now you can go on-line to see if that friend checked in his deer in the manner it was supposed to be checked.
I have seen this already work firsthand. In the past he checked it in under his wife, nobody around town that knew him, knew who it was checked under. As soon as this became open to the public, we all saw that he checked it under his wife, who locals know doesn't hunt. A little checking by the CO, and it appears that he has done so for the last several years.
I have been told that KYDFW has been very succesful at prosecuting since this has gone public. As a "game warden" are you not having the same success?

[KYBOY]

I dont know....

I seriously doubt that the KDFWR would act on a complaint from jealous citizen who sees that his neighbor didn't check a deer based on the list. Let's face it. If I went to the trouble of poaching a deer (or not calling one in), I'd be damned sure to have it cut, wrapped and frozen so that its origins are not discernable. Unless someone actually saw the violater kill the deer and was willing to testify that they saw the deer being killed by the violator, then there ain't a lot of evidence. Further, the credibility of the witness could be called into question.

I seriously doubt that the list is posted as a means to help people rat out other people. If that's its purpose, it ain't gonna get much done.

That said, I kind of like the list and I kind of dislike the list.

Like everyone, I'm a little nosy. I want to know if my old pal down in whatever county scored during gun season. It's kind of fun to see who's out there hunting. On the other hand, with every detail of our life subject to the scrutiny of someone with a computer and an internet connection, I'm a little uneasy about one more invasion of our privacy.

Modern life. Ain't it grand?
Some good points. Prison is full of stupid thieves, not smart ones. I could never understand how someone can be ignorant enought to let someone see evidence that can be used against them. Its a good thing most poachers are fools or they'd never get caught. I have never poached a deer in my life and dont intend to but it would so easy to get away with,espically in rural country. I use to love to hear inmates tell how they got caught:D Some of the funniest most foolish things you could ever dream of hearing.

[huntr467]

The IRS should maybe look at adopting a telecheck sorta system so we can all check up on who's lieing on there taxes. Just think of all the tax money we could recover when your friends and foes are monitoring your tax returns. We know how everyone likes to boast about how they beat the government.
Wow this could really employ a lot of new people, maybe help with the unemployment rate and help erase the national deficit. HMMM

[CSS archer]

I see your are from the 1st dist quack, you have a whole lot on new officers there....

I am speaking from my 20+ yrs of experience, and my experience only...

It would be great if the new officers actually "got out into the field" more..but as many in here can testify to, that is just not the case..It's more so department constrants than 'lack of officer want to's' or at least i think it is. But I also am a realist, these new officers are being tasked with more and more non LE stuff every year, and there is a whole lot more emphasis being placed on being a 'cop' than a 'gamewarden' also...

The new system is easy to work with, but it still will never replace face to face contacts....

Like I stated, I know from experience, and mine is an informed opinion, not just a 'well, ok, this it,' type of opinion...


but you all know what they say about opinion's.....ha:)

canemaker

Yes, I work for KDFWR, but you'll never meet a more avid deer hunter.

The officers dropped off the booklets before season, then picked them up after season, the only "face to face" was when the saw the clerk at the store. If they had a suspicion of someone not checking a deer they had to drive to the different stations and look a the copies to try to find someonee's name (real efficient use of time). People killed deer with guns and checked them as bowkills then just as now, clerks rarely looked at a deer.

People stole booklets so they could check their own, buddies at the stop n go would check illegal deer for a buck or two, data was not available in time to work with deer management objectives, at a time when we were still growing a herd.

Bottom line is it was easier to poach before than it is now, and yes tagging a deer in your wife's name is poaching.

This dead horse is starting to stink, I ain't beating it any more.

[JDMiller]

Thats just silly. Yeah, I only know a handful, but Jim also knows a handful, and Bob knows half a handful, and Tim, Scott, Biff and Billy ray all know two handfulls.

Slick... you actually know someone named Biff???:D

I agree with your post... in the computer age we live in now... a little goes a long way.

[slickhead slayer]

Slick... you actually know someone named Biff???:D
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Thats actually Ate-Ups real name.;)

[daking]

Back in my home inspecting days, I met a young couple at an upscale suburban home. They were typical yuppies, he driving a BMW 325 and she driving a Chrysler minivan. I swear to all that's holy, his vanity plate said "BIFF". Hers said "MUFFY". They were named Biff and Muffy.

Funny, I didn't see their names on the list of people who telechecked a deer. Maybe a tennis raquet, but no deer.

[Snareman2]

Yes, I work for KDFWR, but you'll never meet a more avid deer hunter.

The officers dropped off the booklets before season, then picked them up after season, the only "face to face" was when the saw the clerk at the store. If they had a suspicion of someone not checking a deer they had to drive to the different stations and look a the copies to try to find someonee's name (real efficient use of time). People killed deer with guns and checked them as bowkills then just as now, clerks rarely looked at a deer.

People stole booklets so they could check their own, buddies at the stop n go would check illegal deer for a buck or two, data was not available in time to work with deer management objectives, at a time when we were still growing a herd.

Bottom line is it was easier to poach before than it is now, and yes tagging a deer in your wife's name is poaching.

This dead horse is starting to stink, I ain't beating it any more.


Thank You! I get my fill of the beating sometimes too.

[tritontr21]

AMEN!!! CSS archer