Rabbitt & Deer Seasons Together

[hunt357]

Our State Needs To Look Into This, It Is A Safety Issue!!!!!!!

[Strutter]

Not if you know what you're shooting at before you pull the trigger.

Rob

[hunt357]

The Point Is..................you Dont Want Dogs Running Big Deer
Out Of The Country

[TROPHYTAKER308]

The Point Is..................you Dont Want Dogs Running Big Deer
Out Of The Country
i agree 100%,even know i have never encounterd a rabbit hunter while deer hunting...it really dosent make any sense 4 real..

[hunt357]

I Have Emailed The Kdfwr On This Issue...and Was Wondering If
I Could Get The Help From All You Guys, Before Someone Gets Hurt. :)

[eDuck]

Let's put deer season back like it used to be:
3 days in November, 3 days in December, no early muzzle loader, no youth season.

I could hack not hunting for a couple of weekends! I mean, before somebody gets hurt...:)

[weedwalker]

The Point Is..................you Dont Want Dogs Running Big Deer
Out Of The Country

What is the saftey issue you have with that?
I bet there's a few thousand rabbit hunters who have just as much right as you do to be out there who disagree with you.

[Rabbit Runner]

Let's put deer season back like it used to be:
3 days in November, 3 days in December, no early muzzle loader, no youth season.

I could hack not hunting for a couple of weekends! I mean, before somebody gets hurt...:)
yeah really!! I mean they only got from september to the end of january to kill a deer. You would think they could share the woods a little bit:eek:

[Duster]

Let's put deer season back like it used to be:
3 days in November, 3 days in December, no early muzzle loader, no youth season.

I could hack not hunting for a couple of weekends! I mean, before somebody gets hurt...:)


Not going to fly...Back to 6 days for firearm deer season.....LMAO. How many rabbit hunters get shot by deer hunters ? Like said make sure of your target before pulling the trigger. Might be this is another get firearm's out of the rut deal is the way I see it. I would go for this ONLY if the bowhunters give up all but 1 week and put that week say late december...:D

[Strutter]

How is someone going to get hurt while they are rabbit hunting if everyone pays attention to what they are shooting at? Are you insinuating that you would shoot a mans dog because you think the dog was running the deer away?

Rob

[weedwalker]

How is someone going to get hurt while they are rabbit hunting if everyone pays attention to what they are shooting at? Are you insinuating that you would shoot a mans dog because you think the dog was running the deer away?

Rob

I guess that could be a saftey issue. You COULD get hurt for shooting a mans hunting dog. Maybe we should put WARNING, DO NOT SHOOT labels on our dogs for everybodys protection.:D

[trust me]

I don't see a safety issue...I do however, see deer hunters possibly getting upset because of all the commotion, and I see beagles at risk of getting shot by a hothead in a treestand.

[hunt357]

I have rabbitt dogs & hunt like everyone else, and if my dogs run a deer
out of a thicket that someone is still hunting, than yes they need to be
SHOT! But, with respect to deer hunters, I will not be rabbitt hunting
until gun season is over, the 25th day of november.............

And yes, I would shoot one:)!

[KYBOY]

I don't see a safety issue...I do however, see deer hunters possibly getting upset because of all the commotion, and I see beagles at risk of getting shot by a hothead in a treestand.
Well I didnt have to type it:cool:, its right here^

[AteUp]

There's been 5 fatalities this year and none involved rabbit hunters. As a matter of fact, I can't remember an accident involving both a rabbit and a deer hunter.

[weedwalker]

I have rabbitt dogs & hunt like everyone else, and if my dogs run a deer
out of a thicket that someone is still hunting, than yes they need to be
SHOT! But, with respect to deer hunters, I will not be rabbitt hunting
until gun season is over, the 25th day of november.............

And yes, I would shoot one:)!

So the saftey issue you originaly posted about is that other legal hunters should beware of you?

[weedwalker]

But, with respect to deer hunters, I will not be rabbitt hunting
until gun season is over

Why would a deer hunter deserve any more respect than a rabbit hunter? You can hunt deer for 5 months. You can only hunt rabbits for 3 months.
Different people hunt different game. The game you hunt dosen't reign supreme over the game they hunt.

[revkev]

I am a bowhunter, I dislike the majority of the gun hunters I have encountered. Guys who walk all over the country smoking and spitting tobacco juice all over the area. Noisy guys who walk up, sit down and shoot at the first thing that comes along. Most gun hunters don't work for their deer, they don't use scent control and most are idiots. Despite all that, I still am an advocate for gun hunters to get to hunt as much as they can.:D

Why pick on the rabbit hunters, We don't shoot the gun hunters who ruin our bowhunts:D

[jeffb]

What about bird hunters, or squirell hunters, or loggers, or farmers and their livestock, or atv riders. Lets just keep everyone in the house or barn until gun season is over, or muzzloader season, or bow season. Reminds me of the tournament bass fisherman who think they own the lake and ramp. I am a deer hunter, but I do not think that entitles me to exclusive use of the land.

[barney]

What about bird hunters, or squirell hunters, or loggers, or farmers and their livestock, or atv riders. Lets just keep everyone in the house or barn until gun season is over, or muzzloader season, or bow season. Reminds me of the tournament bass fisherman who think they own the lake and ramp. I am a deer hunter, but I do not think that entitles me to exclusive use of the land.
Very well stated!

[quackrstackr]

I can't remember an accident involving both a rabbit and a deer hunter.

There was almost one this morning. I nearly had a coronary when I stepped on a rabbit going in an hour before daylight. Almost as good as walking into a covey of quail, but not quite. Still will wake you up just fine.

[AteUp]

There was almost one this morning. I nearly had a coronary when I stepped on a rabbit going in an hour before daylight. Almost as good as walking into a covey of quail, but not quite. Still will wake you up just fine.

:D:D:D
http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/393-lol.jpg

[GSP]

There's been 5 fatalities this year and none involved rabbit hunters. As a matter of fact, I can't remember an accident involving both a rabbit and a deer hunter.

Ya reckon it's because none of them have had any of their dogs shot by someone while they are hunting?

[AteUp]

Ya reckon it's because none of them have had any of their dogs shot by someone while they are hunting?

Probably..

[japa]

I rabbit hunt with dogs and I used to be a crazy deer hunter. I try to stay out of the woods during Gun season, out of fear Not out of respect. Stray bullets dont have any eyes. Seems like every time I want to run dogs:there is a youth hunt or quota hunt where something is going on around Rifles & Youths. I have never had any bad experiences while hunting anything but I think everybody should show more respect to the small game hunters and their dogs. Everybody loves the thrill of the chase after that it is just work.

[nwest]

I'll be glad when gun season is over and all the high and mighty crawl back under thier rocks for 10 more months... like a $25 deer tag makes them the sole owner of the woods.

[KYhunter79]

Dang these small game VS Deer hunters threads are getting as old as the Bowhunters VS gun hunters threads. Deer hunters in general think they are more important than Small game hunters and Bow hunters think they are the most important (and best) hunters on the planet.

I'll be rabbit hunting on Thanksgiving come rain or shine. And I don't care who gets offended. I'm ready to run some beagles.

[wademup]

I wish someone would run their beagles through my neighbors clearcut,I wont shoot the dogs only the buck that is apparently hiding in it as I have yet to see hide nor hair of him,bring on the beagles!!!!

[nwest]

I'll be rabbit hunting on Thanksgiving come rain or shine. And I don't care who gets offended. I'm ready to run some beagles.

Mee too I am prayin for snow:D.

[grouser68]

While bird hunting the Fleming WMA, my dog and I busted up a big doe and it ran up a hollow where a bowhunter shot it. He came out of the hollow grinning from ear to ear, shook my hand and thanked me, said he had seen no deer in days.It all depends on the hunters, some like it when you get the deer moving, some don't.


NOTE: My dog does'nt "run" deer, we just bust them from their bed if they are in our path.

[Hallal]

My hunt was just busted up yesterday by some dogs (not beagles) couple of does working their way toward me just to be chased off by a couple of dogs.

They were obviously pets - one had a bandana and the other a collar. Yep I was a little annoyed. No I didn't shoot them but yes I sure thought real hard about it.

These are private woods - if the neighbors want to run beagles fine but if you have a wondering pet please keep it chained up for about another week

[hollow_rat]

[quote=KYhunter79;497405]Dang these small game VS Deer hunters threads are getting as old as the Bowhunters VS gun hunters threads. Deer hunters in general think they are more important than Small game hunters and Bow hunters think they are the most important (and best) hunters on the planet.


dont forget tresspassers and coon hunters threads

[PhilpotHunter]

NOTE: My dog doesn't "run" deer, we just bust them from their bed if they are in our path.

Same here. My beagles don't run deer, but a deer sure doesn't wait around to find that out:D

[buckfever]

It seems there are 2 separate issues at work here:

A. Do the overlapping seasons create a safety problem? IMO, probably a little bit. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we eventually end up with a rabbit hunter that inadvertently gets shot.

B. Is one group entitled to the field over the other? No, but the economic reality is that the state generates way more money from deer hunting than rabbit hunting. If the two groups ever collided, the bunnies would come up second best.

I've shot some rabbits before, but don't know too much about rabbit hunting prime time. Is early-mid November a special time of the year for rabbit hunting the way that it is for deer hunting? Seems like KDFWR could avoid a lot of conflict and potential safety concerns by simply moving the rabbit season back a week or two and giving it to the small gamers on the backend.

Dang these small game VS Deer hunters threads are getting as old as the Bowhunters VS gun hunters threads. Deer hunters in general think they are more important than Small game hunters and Bow hunters think they are the most important (and best) hunters on the planet.

This could well qualify as one of the all-time most IGNORANT (in terms of talking out of both sides of your mouth in record time) and inflammatory posts ever on this website. You bemoan how tired you are of all these argumentative posts, and without even blinking, you immediately then spout off on some rant that "deer hunters generally think they're more important" than everybody else????

But even insulting deer hunters generally wasn't enough for ya. You then have to really show how much you despise these argumentative threads by going on to say that bowhunters are even worse than other deer hunters b/c they think they're the "most important" and "best hunters" of all.

I'll be rabbit hunting on Thanksgiving come rain or shine. And I don't care who gets offended. I'm ready to run some beagles.

Of course, you will, and I'm equally sure the fact that you wouldn't extend your fellow orange clad hunters a little courtesy by giving them a wider berth when you see them won't enter your brain. After all, you're Mr. Small-Game-Chip-On-The-Shoulder-Guy, and all those deer hunters think they're the bee's knees. In fact, you oughta go out of your way to push your dogs all around any thickets near those orange guys to really show 'em who's boss. ;);)

Maybe you could even keep score on how many fellow hunters you can screw while you're out there. Maybe you'll get lucky and flock over 4 or 5 different deer hunters. . . .Then you'll really have something to be proud of.

But gee whiz, I still don't understand where all these problems b/t hunters come from. After all, hunters are very respectful of one another.

[naturalelite]

I jumped in this one last year and I am still licking my wounds. I am a year older and smarter now... I will step aside.


You boys have fun now ya here.......

[hunt357]

Thank you..... Prospect, KY.......Maybe some of these guys will wake
up and see the severity of this issue. It needs to be addressed!:)

[fireduck]

The Point Is..................you Dont Want Dogs Running Big Deer
Out Of The Country
Can I get an Amen Brother. I feel your pain.

[DoubleDrop]

Several years ago I along with a couple of others were squirrel hunting. Sneaking through the woods I happened upon a bowhunter in a stand I had no idea was there. I knew right away I had ruined his hunt as well as he knew. Was he upset, not the least that showed. He then proceeded to tell me about some of his previous hunt there and numbers of deer seen and then he pointed me to a couple of trees he had been watching squirrels moving around in so I could collect some game. This man even though I didn't know who he was and messed up his hunting for the evening still tried to help me with my quest for a different game. It all boils down to having respect for each others right to be in the field pursuing game whether it's the same one or not. I know this didn't involve a rifle or a rabbit hunter but it gets my point across. I personally don't see a safety hazard if both are following the law and have their orange on.

[Xi Bowhunter]

As bad as I hate dogs running deer, the rabbit hunters have a right to hunt too, and dogs will be dogs. Maybe not all dogs will run deer, but some will, and it isn't the end of the world. The deer will be back, probably sooner than you think.

[eDuck]

I personally don't see a safety hazard if both are following the law and have their orange on.


It's not a problem. There are a bunch of other states - north and south - whose deer seasons and small game seasons overlap.

Some guys just don't play well with others.

[WildmanWilson]

Not if you know what you're shooting at before you pull the trigger.

Rob

If everyone did that there would be no need to wear orange during gun season anyway.

[perrymax]

Why do some deer hunters think they are 1st in line? I prefer to run my dogs instead of sitting in a tree all day. I don't feel anybody has any more right to be out there hunting then I do if I have permission. I can't run my dogs the 1st 2 days. You would think that would be fair enough!

[KYhunter79]

This could well qualify as one of the all-time most IGNORANT (in terms of talking out of both sides of your mouth in record time) and inflammatory posts ever on this website. You bemoan how tired you are of all these argumentative posts, and without even blinking, you immediately then spout off on some rant that "deer hunters generally think they're more important" than everybody else????

Maybe the truth hurts? You said that Rabbit hunters should step aside because they don't generate as much revenue as Deer hunters. That shouldn't be grounds for who gets the most "authority" in the woods. Besides, most small game hunters are deer hunters as well. I think it would be a lot more accurate to say that more people that are primarily small game hunters are also deer hunters, than more primary deer hunters are small game hunters.

Also, just because I said that these threads were getting old obviously doesn't mean I am above adding my two cents and stirring the pot a bit.

But even insulting deer hunters generally wasn't enough for ya. You then have to really show how much you despise these argumentative threads by going on to say that bowhunters are even worse than other deer hunters b/c they think they're the "most important" and "best hunters" of all.

I really hate to lump a whole category of people together. But, most bow only hunters say that gun hunters are slobs and reckless and don't know much about hunting. If that can be said, then how am I out of line for saying that most hardcore bow only hunters have a holier than thou complex?

Of course, you will, and I'm equally sure the fact that you wouldn't extend your fellow orange clad hunters a little courtesy by giving them a wider berth when you see them won't enter your brain. After all, you're Mr. Small-Game-Chip-On-The-Shoulder-Guy, and all those deer hunters think they're the bee's knees. In fact, you oughta go out of your way to push your dogs all around any thickets near those orange guys to really show 'em who's boss. ;);)

I hunt everything. I'm not a "small game hunter". I'm a hunter. I have killed and tagged two does and have not gotten to look at a buck I wanted to take. So, I'm done deer hunting for right now, I'm going to run beagles for awhile. Might get back after them in late muzzle loader or do some bow hunting later on. By the way, we have 100% sole permission on 350 acres that is posted pretty heavily. So, if I upset any deer hunters today or on Thursday, they are trespassing.

Maybe you could even keep score on how many fellow hunters you can screw while you're out there. Maybe you'll get lucky and flock over 4 or 5 different deer hunters. . . .Then you'll really have something to be proud of.

Like I said, if so they are trespassing. I don't hunt any public land or land that permission is freely granted on with dogs until after Modern Gun. If you waited to hunt public land until after bow season was out, then you wouldn't have much left. But, I wouldn't think it would be a stretch for that to get lobbied for in the near future.;)



I don't care whether or not you respond to this post or not. I'm going to do my best not to respond either way. This is a couple of threads now that you have came in and bashed me in the last month or so. Regardless, I could care less how ignorant and inflammatory you think my posts are.

[buckfever]

I don't care whether or not you respond to this post or not. I'm going to do my best not to respond either way. This is a couple of threads now that you have came in and bashed me in the last month or so. Regardless, I could care less how ignorant and inflammatory you think my posts are.

Kyhunter - I apologize for the harsh and insulting tone of my last post. I shouldn't have responded the way I did.

I just think that hunters should make efforts to get along without the need to start stereotyping other hunter groups. Sure, there are deer hunters that do act rudely and make their fellow hunters' lives miserable, but it's a 2-way street that applies to all hunters.

As pointing out by double drop in this post, people can and should get along:

Several years ago I along with a couple of others were squirrel hunting. Sneaking through the woods I happened upon a bowhunter in a stand I had no idea was there. I knew right away I had ruined his hunt as well as he knew. Was he upset, not the least that showed. He then proceeded to tell me about some of his previous hunt there and numbers of deer seen and then he pointed me to a couple of trees he had been watching squirrels moving around in so I could collect some game. This man even though I didn't know who he was and messed up his hunting for the evening still tried to help me with my quest for a different game. It all boils down to having respect for each others right to be in the field pursuing game whether it's the same one or not. I know this didn't involve a rifle or a rabbit hunter but it gets my point across. I personally don't see a safety hazard if both are following the law and have their orange on.

I also scratch my head when bowhunters complain about other hunters in the woods on PUBLIC lands during the bow season, but I think that most of these complaints are basically frustrations that fall into one of two categories: (a) When other hunters see them and know exactly where they are but refuse to tailor their actions to show consideration for their fellow hunters by giving them a wide berth; or (b) The frustration caused by spending time on the stand with high hopes only to have it all fall apart.

Although it's difficult to translate into small game hunting, but I assume you'd be upset if you learned that another small game hunter w/ permission found out that you were planning this Saturday's rabbit hunt on the 350 acre farm and decided to take his dogs and buddies out on Friday to beat you to the punch. . . .or you tell the farmer that you're seeing a bunch of doves in the cut corn field and plan a big hunt on Saturday only to find out the farmer told his cousin who got his buddies together and shot it on Friday.

Not much you can really do about it, but I'm sure you'd be frustrated with either of these situations. I believe that double drop was spot on when he said that "consideration" and "respect" of your fellow hunter is what we should all strive for.

[KYhunter79]

Kyhunter - I apologize for the harsh and insulting tone of my last post. I shouldn't have responded the way I did.

I just think that hunters should make efforts to get along without the need to start stereotyping other hunter groups. Sure, there are deer hunters that do act rudely and make their fellow hunters' lives miserable, but it's a 2-way street that applies to all hunters.

As pointing out by double drop in this post, people can and should get along:



I also scratch my head when bowhunters complain about other hunters in the woods on PUBLIC lands during the bow season, but I think that most of these complaints are basically frustrations that fall into one of two categories: (a) When other hunters see them and know exactly where they are but refuse to tailor their actions to show consideration for their fellow hunters by giving them a wide berth; or (b) The frustration caused by spending time on the stand with high hopes only to have it all fall apart.

Although it's difficult to translate into small game hunting, but I assume you'd be upset if you learned that another small game hunter w/ permission found out that you were planning this Saturday's rabbit hunt on the 350 acre farm and decided to take his dogs and buddies out on Friday to beat you to the punch. . . .or you tell the farmer that you're seeing a bunch of doves in the cut corn field and plan a big hunt on Saturday only to find out the farmer told his cousin who got his buddies together and shot it on Friday.

Not much you can really do about it, but I'm sure you'd be frustrated with either of these situations. I believe that double drop was spot on when he said that "consideration" and "respect" of your fellow hunter is what we should all strive for.

No problem, man. I definitely agree that hunters don't need to fight amongst themselves. We have enough enemies as it is. There is absolutely no need to split into different factions within ourselves.

[buckfever]

No problem, man. I definitely agree that hunters don't need to fight amongst themselves. We have enough enemies as it is. There is absolutely no need to split into different factions within ourselves.

Group Hug Time!!! :D:D

[hunt357]

For those of you that will email the KDFWR on this issue, I thank you
very much, and for those of you that dont, I wish you a SAFE and
successful hunting trip..... either in the tree or on the ground.

THANKS:mad:

[Duster]

For those of you that will email the KDFWR on this issue, I thank you
very much, and for those of you that dont, I wish you a SAFE and
successful hunting trip..... either in the tree or on the ground.

THANKS:mad:

Be sure of what you ask for it may backfire on you and they remove all deer hunting out of rabbit season. Just remember there was small game hunters in Ky long before deer hunters.

[hunt357]

Your exactly right about the small game......but the IDIOTS have
out numbered us fine people with all the wisdom.

Thanks:eek:

[weedwalker]

Your exactly right about the small game......but the IDIOTS have
out numbered us fine people with all the wisdom.

Thanks:eek:

You're giving yourself WAY TOO MUCH credit.:cool:

[Multidigits]

Your exactly right about the small game......but the IDIOTS have
out numbered us fine people with all the wisdom.

Thanks:eek:


Which side is the "fine people" and who are the "idiots"?

[KYhunter79]

Your exactly right about the small game......but the IDIOTS have
out numbered us fine people with all the wisdom.

Thanks:eek:

The only wisdom you have is covered in enamel.

[perrymax]

The Point Is..................you Dont Want Dogs Running Big Deer
Out Of The Country

No offense, but that is nonsense! I have 50 acres that is planted in native warm season grass just for upland habitat. The indian grass and big bluestem gets up to 6 feet tall. I see deer come up out of this grass constantly when my dogs get close to them. They act just like rabbits except they cover more distance. They don't even move sometimes. I've seen deer not even move when the dogs are 10 feet from them running a rabbit and sounding off. They will jump up sometimes and run 100 yards and lay back down in the tall grass. Deer ain't worried about 25 lb beagle hounds! They don't even worry about coyotes.

Do you really think a 150 plus lb deer thinks he has anything to worry about a 25 lb beagle hound?

[PhilpotHunter]

It is a nuisance thing more than anything to deer hunters. I stay out of the woods till gun season is over, not out of respect or for fear of getting shot, but because if a deer hunter shot one of my hounds I very well might end up in jail over it.

[grouser68]

Well, thank goodness this is a non-issue here now.........I think!:D I believe our modern deer season went out Monday, is it still going on in other places in the state?

[PhilpotHunter]

Well, thank goodness this is a non-issue here now.........I think!:D I believe our modern deer season went out Monday, is it still going on in other places in the state?

Yup, here in Western KY it is in till Sunday

[backyardbeagler]

I agree its not a safety issue (unless someone shoots my dogs) its about some people that want to hunt undisturbed, and in a perfect world that would be great but unless U own a sack load of land chances are its not gonna happen. Whether it be dogs or other hunters there is going to be some distractions but what people don't seem to get is these deer deal with all this crap 365 days a year and are still there and unless U kill them they will be there tomorrow too, so relax a little.

[slickhead slayer]

The only wisdom you have is covered in enamel.

LOL...........

[Multidigits]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/Woowoo1/HuntingIndiana/archeryhuntershot.jpg

[OUTBACK]

Your exactly right about the small game......but the IDIOTS have
out numbered us fine people with all the wisdom.

Thanks:eek:

How much land do you hunt and do you have the sole hunting rights to it? Do you hunt land you own?

If you own your land and you hunt it then hunt it and thats about all you can do.

If you hunt someone else's land and have the sole rights to it then find out who is hunting the land as well because obviously they are trespassing.

If you don't have sole hunting rights to the land. . . TS.

Maybe go and talk to the rabbit hunters and ask in a nice way if they can some how keep their dogs own their own property.

I don't think sending an email or writing a letter is gonna get you any where.

And plus how is it a safety issue because I am curious about this one. Unless you are worried you might shoot a rabbit hunter . . . then maybe you need to get your eyes checked. Or if you may shoot someone's dog then that is your decision and it is not wrong if they are trespassing or if the dog is running deer.

But mainly I think you need to take some lexapro or something and chill out man. If the dog runs a deer it doesn't mean your hunting is ruined. I had a guy walk past my stand opening day and he owns the land and he farms it. Wearing his work coveralls and just strolled on by. THen aobut 10 minutes later came a 10 pt buck and strolled on by like nothing ever happened.

Good LUck;)

[grouser68]

Entirely to much being made of this. ALL hunters need to go out with safety being their first consideration, and making memories afield being their second, all the while being curteous to others. Just go hunt and have a good time!:D Happy turkey day.

[perrymax]

Your exactly right about the small game......but the IDIOTS have
out numbered us fine people with all the wisdom.

Thanks:eek:

From my experience, people who only deer hunt always get the idiot of the year award! These guys that watch way to many hunting videos and never hunted anything else in their lives, come out with high powered rifles and no experience.

Not all deer hunters are this way of coarse and I hunt deer also but the most dangerous hunters by far are the deer only guys. They are kind of like the bass fishermen who never went out as a kid and caught bluegill and catfish. People forget, or never knew, what hunting really is. It ain't all about putting a $400 mount on the wall.

[buckfever]

From my experience, people who only deer hunt always get the idiot of the year award! These guys that watch way to many hunting videos and never hunted anything else in their lives, come out with high powered rifles and no experience.

Not all deer hunters are this way of coarse and I hunt deer also but the most dangerous hunters by far are the deer only guys. They are kind of like the bass fishermen who never went out as a kid and caught bluegill and catfish. People forget, or never knew, what hunting really is. It ain't all about putting a $400 mount on the wall.

C'mon, Perry, you can't make a generalized stmt like that. I hunt a lot of deer, but then again, I hunt a lot of other critters as well.

In my experience, there's just as many dangerous hunting neophytes that get invited on pheasant, quail, dove or duck shoots that don't understand the dangers of shooting a weapon at low flying birds or even pointing their shotguns at people before, during and after hunting.

It all boils down to a complete lack of safety education and common sense, and it applies to people in every outdoor endeavor.

We're getting a little far afield from the original topic, but it seems like every year, I read a story or two about someone being mistaken for a deer and shot. It happens, but in EVERY SINGLE ONE of these instances, the common thread was that the guy who was shot was walking around on the ground, never sitting in a treestand or blind. It's just my opinion, but encouraging humans to small game hunt and walk around in areas where people are deer hunting (i.e looking for man-sized criters on the ground) should be considered a "safety risk", especially on public land where there is no control.

I just think they could do something a little different on public lands to insure no one gets hurt. Maybe the best compromise is to allow deer hunting on tues, thurs, sat, and allow small game hunting on mon, weds, fri and sun.

[WildmanWilson]

This is starting to sound like the Sheep and cattle wars of the 1880's.:rolleyes:

[Multidigits]

We're getting a little far afield from the original topic, but it seems like every year, I read a story or two about someone being mistaken for a deer and shot. It happens, but in EVERY SINGLE ONE of these instances, the common thread was that the guy who was shot was walking around on the ground, never sitting in a treestand or blind. .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/Woowoo1/HuntingIndiana/archeryhuntershot.jpg

[buckfever]

http://bestsmileys.com/signs6/25.gif http://bestsmileys.com/signs13/8.gif

Now there's a relevant story for us. . . .NOT.

Excellent point there, Deputy Dawg!!!

EVERYBODY else on this thread is talking about accidental shootings and mistakes, and you trot out some story a guy that intentionally shoots a boy sitting in a treestand for the sole purpose of showing that somebody actually got shot by somebody else while sitting in a treestand?

Keep digging around in the story archives. . . Maybe after you get through the 1,000 or so stories about deer hunters who accidentally mistake another person for a deer, you'll find the weird one where a guy accidentally shoots that deer hunter in his treestand thinking he's a turkey on the roost.

Sheez, if you're going to be argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, at least come up with something a little better than this nonsense. :rolleyes: http://bestsmileys.com/signs12/9.gif

[predator]

BF, who you talking to?:rolleyes:

I'll bring this back up, but when I was trying to get Grayson Co. back to Zone 3, several small game hunters were very much in favor. They wanted their traditional Thanksgiving week back to hunt rabbits and quail without encountering deer hunters. On the other side of the coin, back when we had a few deer on our Yellowbank lease, we welcomed the rabbit hunters who hunted Yellowbank WMA and would push deer out of the grown-up fields into the woods.

Public land is public and private land is private. People ought to know the meaning of both.

[Multidigits]

BF, your correct in a sense but Google was fresh out of "deer hunter shoots rabbit hunter" or "deer hunter shoots quail hunter" stories today, so I thought you might enjoy reading that one. If you want "deer hunter shoots deer hunter" stories, there's plenty of those even some of bowhunter doing the deed. Not sure how this relates to argument that dual seasons are a safety hazard though, but I'm sure you can twist it into one.

Pred-You mean Grayson Co. and YB has some quail and rabbits.....now that is good news! :p

[hollow_rat]

i guess the only way to keep any season from being in at the same time is to open a season for a few days and close it then open another.i have known of ppeople getting shot at differant times.a lady i know was bow hunting and a bushy tail hunter seen her pony tail and shot at her.lucky she was behind a big enough tree it went all around her.another person was on the ground bow hunting when another bow hunter shot him,he almost didnt make it.the main thing here is no matter what you are hunting MAKE SURE OF YOUR TARGET bfore you release that arrow or pull the trigger cause like there is no taking it back.we all need to be careful and safe.Happy Thanksgiven to all and good luck in the woods

[hunt357]

How much land do you hunt and do you have the sole hunting rights to it? Do you hunt land you own?

If you own your land and you hunt it then hunt it and thats about all you can do.

If you hunt someone else's land and have the sole rights to it then find out who is hunting the land as well because obviously they are trespassing.

If you don't have sole hunting rights to the land. . . TS.

Maybe go and talk to the rabbit hunters and ask in a nice way if they can some how keep their dogs own their own property.

I don't think sending an email or writing a letter is gonna get you any where.

And plus how is it a safety issue because I am curious about this one. Unless you are worried you might shoot a rabbit hunter . . . then maybe you need to get your eyes checked. Or if you may shoot someone's dog then that is your decision and it is not wrong if they are trespassing or if the dog is running deer.

But mainly I think you need to take some lexapro or something and chill out man. If the dog runs a deer it doesn't mean your hunting is ruined. I had a guy walk past my stand opening day and he owns the land and he farms it. Wearing his work coveralls and just strolled on by. THen aobut 10 minutes later came a 10 pt buck and strolled on by like nothing ever happened.

Good LUck;)
Yes, I do own my own land, 500ac. to be exact. But it is the people like
you that does not understand the safety issue here. For example, if you
had a deer standing on a hill or up the side of a ridge and one shoots it,
these bullets travel about 2800 fps, this could take them anywhere.
I like to rabbitt hunt myself and I am afraid for my own safety,looking in from the other side of this issue. Emailing a letter i think would help alot
of things: (1) Protecting IDIOTS like you, with NO common sense.
And yes, It is wrong if some one is trespassing or there dog is running deer,on my land or any one else. And NO I dont need any (Lexapro)
(AKA: mello you out drug). Just one more thing, who ever the lady or gentleman was that give you an ORANGE CARD for hunting this great land, should have given you a GREEN CARD and sent your ass to mexico!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[eDuck]

For example, if you
had a deer standing on a hill or up the side of a ridge and one shoots it,
these bullets travel about 2800 fps, this could take them anywhere.


If you are shooting at deer on hilltops, or anywhere else you are unsure of the backstop, then you have no business pulling a trigger at all.

Say you did shoot at a deer on top of a hill and missed. What would keep it from hitting another deer hunter, or granny in her house, or a car passing by?

I'll volunteer my time to help you how to shoot safely if you want the help.

[OUTBACK]

Yes, I do own my own land, 500ac. to be exact. But it is the people like
you that does not understand the safety issue here. For example, if you
had a deer standing on a hill or up the side of a ridge and one shoots it,
these bullets travel about 2800 fps, this could take them anywhere.
I like to rabbitt hunt myself and I am afraid for my own safety,looking in from the other side of this issue. Emailing a letter i think would help alot
of things: (1) Protecting IDIOTS like you, with NO common sense.
And yes, It is wrong if some one is trespassing or there dog is running deer,on my land or any one else. And NO I dont need any (Lexapro)
(AKA: mello you out drug). Just one more thing, who ever the lady or gentleman was that give you an ORANGE CARD for hunting this great land, should have given you a GREEN CARD and sent your ass to mexico!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok first thing I don't think you understood exactly what I meant because I wasn't trying to piss you off in any way possible but I think that you just got in trouble because you got a potty mouth. . . lol . . :D

For you info you have no idea who I am and I guarantee that I am 10X the safer hunter than you given the comments and reason you have given for the rabbit season and deer season coinciding together making it an unsafe situation.

Now you have a nice day.:);):D:p

[grouser68]

Safety rules

#1-All guns are always loaded

#2-Don't cover anything with your muzzle you are not willing to destroy.

#3-(THE GOLDEN RULE) Keep your finger off the trigger until you are indexed on target

#4-Know your target, and what is beyond it.


These four simple safety rules have saved alot of headaches and pain.

[nwest]

Yes, I do own my own land, 500ac. to be exact. But it is the people like
you that does not understand the safety issue here. For example, if you
had a deer standing on a hill or up the side of a ridge and one shoots it,
these bullets travel about 2800 fps, this could take them anywhere.
I like to rabbitt hunt myself and I am afraid for my own safety,looking in from the other side of this issue. Emailing a letter i think would help alot
of things: (1) Protecting IDIOTS like you, with NO common sense.
And yes, It is wrong if some one is trespassing or there dog is running deer,on my land or any one else. And NO I dont need any (Lexapro)
(AKA: mello you out drug). Just one more thing, who ever the lady or gentleman was that give you an ORANGE CARD for hunting this great land, should have given you a GREEN CARD and sent your ass to mexico!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is going to protect your dumb AZZ???? Apparently you did not have to take a class to get a orange card or you would know better than shooting without a solid backstop, or knowing what is beyond your target. I do not know what your intention was for starting this thread but come on, moving rabbit season just because you are a idiot will not save the lives of the rest of us. If you are so afraid sell your land and give up hunting, if not shut up and hunt.

Have a nice day

[KYhunter79]

I got a feeling this guy is going to put in timeout pretty soon.

[GSPonGrouse]

Wow!! This sounds like the women at Wal-Mart fightin over the last Hanna Montana doll. It is black Fri!
Now for my .02 If you are wearing the required orange and you are sure of your target the safty part of the issue has been addressed.
I don't care if you hunt on public or private land if you hunt long enough. Someone or something will spoil a hunt for you, it happens get over it! What I am getting tired of hearing on here is these guys talking about shooting dogs. Dogs will be dogs they do what dogs do. Even the best beagles will run a deer if that is what they want to do. I no longer have any beagles used to run what I feel was some of the best around. They would ignore a deer 95 percent of the time or a fox or anything else(besides a rabbit) But every once in a while they would take off on something else, who knows why? It just happens. I now have a shorthair and she has never chased a deer or even looked twice at one. But I will not take her out till after deer season because of the idiots out there that would shoot her. Not by mistake, with a orange collar and beeping every 10 seconds, but just being a idiot.
So to all you who say you would shoot a dog (on your land or not) may you go home empty handed evrytime out. Because you do not deserve to call yourself a hunter. Or do you deserve the joys that come frome being a hunter.:mad:

[Snareman2]

Be sure to wear your hunters orange and make good decisions when in the act of hunting.

[DoubleDrop]

bout time for a mod to slap a lock on this one.

[keith meador]

bout time for a mod to slap a lock on this one.

not just yet, but it is getting interesting.:D

[perrymax]

Wow!! This sounds like the women at Wal-Mart fightin over the last Hanna Montana doll. It is black Fri!
Now for my .02 If you are wearing the required orange and you are sure of your target the safty part of the issue has been addressed.
I don't care if you hunt on public or private land if you hunt long enough. Someone or something will spoil a hunt for you, it happens get over it! What I am getting tired of hearing on here is these guys talking about shooting dogs. Dogs will be dogs they do what dogs do. Even the best beagles will run a deer if that is what they want to do. I no longer have any beagles used to run what I feel was some of the best around. They would ignore a deer 95 percent of the time or a fox or anything else(besides a rabbit) But every once in a while they would take off on something else, who knows why? It just happens. I now have a shorthair and she has never chased a deer or even looked twice at one. But I will not take her out till after deer season because of the idiots out there that would shoot her. Not by mistake, with a orange collar and beeping every 10 seconds, but just being a idiot.
So to all you who say you would shoot a dog (on your land or not) may you go home empty handed evrytime out. Because you do not deserve to call yourself a hunter. Or do you deserve the joys that come frome being a hunter.:mad:

As I said earlier, the guys who talk about shooting dogs are usually the "I only hunt deer" guys! People like that have probably never followed a dog in their life. They either haven't hunted anything but deer or they have become to lazy to do anything but sit in a deer stand.

I know a few guys who have no understanding at all about how a guy could enjoy walking all day and finding enjoyment watching dogs work. They think guys like me are second class hunters. They think because they choose to spend a fortune on tags and equipment that they are first in line.

[hollow_rat]

Wow!! This sounds like the women at Wal-Mart fightin over the last Hanna Montana doll. It is black Fri!
Now for my .02 If you are wearing the required orange and you are sure of your target the safty part of the issue has been addressed.
I don't care if you hunt on public or private land if you hunt long enough. Someone or something will spoil a hunt for you, it happens get over it! What I am getting tired of hearing on here is these guys talking about shooting dogs. Dogs will be dogs they do what dogs do. Even the best beagles will run a deer if that is what they want to do. I no longer have any beagles used to run what I feel was some of the best around. They would ignore a deer 95 percent of the time or a fox or anything else(besides a rabbit) But every once in a while they would take off on something else, who knows why? It just happens. I now have a shorthair and she has never chased a deer or even looked twice at one. But I will not take her out till after deer season because of the idiots out there that would shoot her. Not by mistake, with a orange collar and beeping every 10 seconds, but just being a idiot.
So to all you who say you would shoot a dog (on your land or not) may you go home empty handed evrytime out. Because you do not deserve to call yourself a hunter. Or do you deserve the joys that come frome being a hunter.:mad:
ever think the reason a lot of deer hunters shoot at anything is they dont get a chance to shoot much.they shoot a couple shots fill their tags then it over till next year

[SmokeyBear]

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[KYhunter79]

Ha, I've been looking for a .gif like that. :)

[uplandchessies]

I know a few guys who have no understanding at all about how a guy could enjoy walking all day and finding enjoyment watching dogs work. They think guys like me are second class hunters. They think because they choose to spend a fortune on tags and equipment that they are first in line.

Deer hunting expenditures are not even close to what a bird hunter invests year to year.

[backyardbeagler]

ever think the reason a lot of deer hunters shoot at anything is they dont get a chance to shoot much.they shoot a couple shots fill their tags then it over till next year

So because they don't get a chance to shoot much does that make it OK? If thats the case why not go to the shooting range and shoot your hearts desire.
Why is it people can't discuss certain subjects on here without somebody wanting to lock or have the topic locked up?

[barney]

Deer hunting expenditures are not even close to what a bird hunter invests year to year.
I dont know about that,all that I would have to spend here on the farm to harvest a deer would be mabe a $1.00 for a bullet, or I could spend thousands on leases and equipment!:)

[Multidigits]

Deer hunting expenditures are not even close to what a bird hunter invests year to year.


Don't bet on it, I know several that spend well over $15,000 a year hunting deer. Anyone that hunts Illinois with all 3 weapons spend nearly $1000 just on licenses and tags

[uplandchessies]

I dont know about that,all that I would have to spend here on the farm to harvest a deer would be mabe a $1.00 for a bullet, or I could spend thousands on leases and equipment!:)

This is not a case for argument. I'm talking on average. Dog boxes, feeding and care of the dog, gear, etc. Add boat, decoys and blinds for duck hunters. Want to include leases? There are quail leases in Texas in the hundreds of thousands range for the season. And for those who have it, there are double barrels in the $100,000 range.

[uplandchessies]

Don't bet on it, I know several that spend well over $15,000 a year hunting deer. Anyone that hunts Illinois with all 3 weapons spend nearly $1000 just on licenses and tags

Not even close.

[Multidigits]

This is not a case for argument. I'm talking on average. Dog boxes, feeding and care of the dog, gear, etc. Add boat, decoys and blinds for duck hunters. Want to include leases? There are quail leases in Texas in the hundreds of thousands range for the season. And for those who have it, there are double barrels in the $100,000 range.


I know lots of bird hunters that don't spend that kind of money, lots more that don't spend anymore than a deer hunter.

[uplandchessies]

I know lots of bird hunters that don't spend that kind of money, lots more that don't spend anymore than a deer hunter.

And I don't disagree with that at all.

[barney]

This is not a case for argument. I'm talking on average. Dog boxes, feeding and care of the dog, gear, etc. Add boat, decoys and blinds for duck hunters. Want to include leases? There are quail leases in Texas in the hundreds of thousands range for the season. And for those who have it, there are double barrels in the $100,000 range.
In my book no one type of hunter is better than another,but I would bet that deer hunters spend more $ in the state of Ketucky on deer hunting than all of the other types of hunters spend on their sport combined!

[uplandchessies]

In my book no one type of hunter is better than another,but I would bet that deer hunters spend more $ in the state of Ketucky on deer hunting than all of the other types of hunters spend on their sport combined!

You're right on both counts. Was just stating fact to Perrymaxes post. I hunt public land and don't shoot $100,000 doubles.

[Multidigits]

You're right on both counts. Was just stating fact to Perrymaxes post. I hunt public land and don't shoot $100,000 doubles.


Curious....what would be your ideal dates for small game hunting if you'd want something different than what we have now?

[uplandchessies]

Curious....what would be your ideal dates for small game hunting if you'd want something different than what we have now?

The current seasons for quail, woodcock and grouse work for me. Dove could be shortened in the early season and extended into the late season. I would love to see Friday, Saturday and Sunday only crow hunting (like Ohio).

[hunt357]

Curious....what would be your ideal dates for small game hunting if you'd want something different than what we have now?
The way used to be, rabbitt season would come in thanksgiving day....
after deer season when out. Every thing worked great until kdfwr changed it 2 years ago. Thanks

[steelslinger]

:This has been gone over so many times on here, like it or not, preach it to the kdfwr or a politition. As for me, I'm just posting to add to my post count lmao :D:p

[hollow_rat]

So because they don't get a chance to shoot much does that make it OK? If thats the case why not go to the shooting range and shoot your hearts desire.
Why is it people can't discuss certain subjects on here without somebody wanting to lock or have the topic locked up?
no it dont make it okay.hunters ed and gun ethics say make sure of your target no matter what you are hunting.if you shoot near someone or something other than what you are hunting you are not making sure of the target IMO

[GSPonGrouse]

The fact that seasons overlap does not bother me. Another grouse hunter in the woods, a group of rabbit hunters, or the orange army during modern gun. You can and will see other hunters while in the feild. It is a fact. How often do any of us go to hunt in a group?
The fact that anytype of hunter thinks that what they are doing is more important than the next is the problem. The amount of money one spends doesn't make any difference (I know I spend to much). Some people just don't have the budget that others do. That does not make them less deserving.
So let me ask this question if me and my shorthair or any rabbit hunter jump a 170+ buck out of one of those deep,dark places we go and it runs under your stand, you going to be mad about that as well? Nope you'll shoot it and haul it around to show it off, post the pics on here just the same. I would, you would, so don't even try to act like you wouldn't.
One thing that is a shame though, I am afraid to take my dog out right now. knowing that some mental reject could shoot her.

[Multidigits]

The way used to be, rabbitt season would come in thanksgiving day....
after deer season when out. Every thing worked great until kdfwr changed it 2 years ago. Thanks


Except that most of the State is still hunting deer on T-givings Day, and a lot of bird and rabbit hunters like the extra early season. Plus, a lot of rabbit and bird hunters don't or rarely deer hunt, why should they not be able to hunt.

Don't say because it's unsafe unless you can post up some data of the carnage that the change has brought in the last 2 years.

[SmokeyBear]

I use to get really mad when I would try to bowhunt public land because of the other seasons. It seemed like I always got screwed up either by small game hunters, the youth firearm season, the early muzzleloader season, rifle season, fall shotgun turkey season, late muzzleloader season, etc....It felt like the KDFWR was totally against bowhunters. But then I slapped myself through the face and realized, "hey the deer are still out there in the woods no matter how many other hunters or dogs are out there". It comes down to three words......DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!! I then started using the other seasons and hunters (with or without dogs) to my advantage. I got off of my high horse and put some extra leg work into my hunting. I would go out to my hunting spots when I knew other hunters would be there and set up to watch the deer and take notes about their behavior when they got spooked. The deer will not run 3 or 4 counties away when spooked, they will simply head for a pre-determined safe haven that the deer always retreat to when threatened. This "safe haven" is almost always a fairly short distance away from their normal travel areas, a lot of times just over the hill and into the nearest available thicket. Deer are short distance sprinters, not long distance runners. They will almost always hold up in the nearest available cover and then look back to see if they are being pursued. Knowing where that cover is and knowing through studying deer behavior that there will be a small opportunity for a shot when the deer stops to check it's back trail is the key to a hunter's success when hunting pressured animals. I scouted and studied this behavior and quickly learned the deer's escape routes from certain areas and where their safe havens were in the areas that I hunted. I started abandoning the usual hunting spots such as rub/scrape lines, heavily used trails, food sources and bedding areas. Instead I started hunting the deer's escape routes and the thick and nasty "safe havens" that they were escaping to. I have been very succesful using this method and it DOES work every time. Like I said before, no matter how many hunters and dogs are out there in the woods, the deer are still there also, I mean where else can they go??? You just have to learn their escape routes and where they go to for cover and use this to your advantage. Sometimes when hunting areas with a lot of hunting pressure in or around them you just plain and simply have to abandon conventional hunting methods and think outside the box. There is nothing wrong with the overlapping seasons at all, we just have to learn how to use each other to everyone's advantage. Where I hunt now (when I actually get a chance to do so that is:() I love to hear those beagles running because I know the deer will be flocking my way before long!!!:)

[turk2di]

Except that most of the State is still hunting deer on T-givings Day, and a lot of bird and rabbit hunters like the extra early season. Plus, a lot of rabbit and bird hunters don't or rarely deer hunt, why should they not be able to hunt.

Don't say because it's unsafe unless you can post up some data of the carnage that the change has brought in the last 2 years.

Wish i had some rabbit hunters in my area this morning!

[Multidigits]

Yep, works both ways, sometimes, they might run something to you just as well as mess you up.