Third Grade Test (overhunting)

[MJMbowman]

Hey guys, I was helping my third grade boy with his science test tonight and come upon this question. It says"Name three reasons why animals are becoming extinct today." The answers are Habitat Loss, New Predators , AND OVER HUNTING!! This is the answers they are supposed to give on their tests. The third answer upset me a little. I know overhunting CAN cause extinction but I think it is crazy to suggest it to young kids. What is your guys's thoughts?
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[ScentFree]

Just another example how the liberals are brainwashing our kids. I would go and talk with the teacher and ask her to make it clear to her class, that the practice of "illegal hunting" promotes exctiction

[quackrstackr]

Just another example how the liberals are brainwashing our kids. I would go and talk with the teacher and ask her to make it clear to her class, that the practice of "illegal hunting" promotes exctiction

I don't know that I would go that far. Traditionally, overhunting has caused extinction or near extinction many, many times in the past. You don't have to look any further than what went on right here in this (relatively speaking) young country with several animals, most notably the American bison. It's probably going on currently in other parts of the world with unregulated hunting.

School subjects normally think a bit wider than what is right outside our back door.

[MJMbowman]

I don't know that I would go that far. Traditionally, overhunting has caused extinction or near extinction many, many times in the past. You don't have to look any further than what went on right here in this (relatively speaking) young country with several animals, most notably the American bison. It's probably going on currently in other parts of the world with unregulated hunting.

School subjects normally think a bit wider than what is right outside our back door.Yeah you are probably right ,but it just hit the wrong nerve when I read it.

[Multidigits]

Bison aren't extinct for one, and it was hunted a lot, but the main reason there aren't many any more is there are no large land masses for them to exsist free roaming as they were at one time. So, their demise was to habitat loss as much as hunting.

The only animals "hunted" to near extinction, were as a result of market hunting, not sport hunting. And it could be noted that sport hunting has been the main reason that most of those animals are not extinct today.

[MJMbowman]

The only animals "hunted" to near extinction, were as a result of market hunting, not sport hunting. And it could be noted that sport hunting has been the main reason that most of those animals are not extinct today. .Yes, I think a better answer would heve been ILLEGAL hunting instead of overhunting.

[quackrstackr]

Bison aren't extinct for one, and it was hunted a lot, but the main reason there aren't many any more is there are no large land masses for them to exsist free roaming as they were at one time. So, their demise was to habitat loss as much as hunting.

The only animals "hunted" to near extinction, were as a result of market hunting, not sport hunting. And it could be noted that sport hunting has been the main reason that most of those animals are not extinct today.


Are you serious? Your history books must have read a lot differently than they did while I was in there (and still do today). (and I never said they were extinct.. I said near extinction).

Bison were hunted to near extinction by market hunters and hunters paid by our government to kill them.. in large part to break the will of the Indians and starve them out. There was no lack of habitat when they nearly went extinct. :rolleyes:

Here's one for you.. the passenger pigeon. Wasn't illegal to shoot those when they were killed off either. ;) Habitat loss was a factor but it was their table fare that wiped them out.

[Multidigits]

There's no room in America for millions of roaming animals as large as bison anymore. Habitat uses have changed and so has time. Still wasn't sport hunting that did them in.....which is what the liberal teacher is obviously referring to. The correct answer is B. Habitat loss

[DILLIGAF]

Here in America the "over hunting" statement doesn't hold up. The Carrier Pigeon and Do-Do Bird aside, there haven't been any animals hunted to extinction in America (although we gave the Buffalo a run fo their money).

In Africa and Asia, we are loosing species at a rapid pace to poachers and just plain old hungry people (have your son google "bush meat").

There are more deer, turkey, elk, bear, etc. here in America now than there were when the settlers had the first Thanksgiving, but I don't think that your son's project is refering to what we view as "traditional hunting game". They are pobably referencing the Gorilla, Elephant, Tiger, etc. that are almost already gone in Asia and Africa.

Just make sure he makes this clear......game laws, and the money that sportsman spend on hunting stuff/licenses, help support quality animal populations (see America). Lack of game laws = death to certain species.

POACHERS aren't HUNTERS...in the traditional sense.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Bison aren't extinct for one, and it was hunted a lot, but the main reason there aren't many any more is there are no large land masses for them to exsist free roaming as they were at one time. So, their demise was to habitat loss as much as hunting.

The only animals "hunted" to near extinction, were as a result of market hunting, not sport hunting. And it could be noted that sport hunting has been the main reason that most of those animals are not extinct today.
Muti, have you seen the archived pictures of the thousands of bison skulls piled up in the early to 1900's by white hunters in the west? Over hunting was the primary reason the bison was near extinction. Not the only reason, but the main one.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Here is just ONE of those skull piles. They were hunted like this all over the American west. And these are just the skulls:mad:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/xibowhunter/Bison_skull_pile_ca1870.png

[quackrstackr]

There's no room in America for millions of roaming animals as large as bison anymore. Habitat uses have changed and so has time. Still wasn't sport hunting that did them in.....which is what the liberal teacher is obviously referring to. The correct answer is B. Habitat loss

It's not multiple choice and the test didn't ask about bison or sport hunting.

It states OVER HUNTING. Sport hunting would only be one means to the end just as market hunting would be.. it's not differentiated by the "liberal teacher" and was never mentioned until you interjected it.

OVER HUNTING is indeed a correct answer to the test question. It has happened, will happen and is probably happening right now somewhere in this world and may not even be illegal at the moment.

[Multidigits]

Habitat loss.....the bison had to go to pave the way for an expanding population push to the West. Slaughter of millions of bison was not hunting in a true sense.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Habitat loss.....the bison had to go to pave the way for an expanding population push to the West. Slaughter of millions of bison was not hunting in a true sense.
They were chased down on horseback and shot with a rifle, how is that not hunting in the most basic sense?

[Multidigits]

They were chased down on horseback and shot with a rifle, how is that not hunting in the most basic sense?

They also herded them off of canyon cliffs and any other method of killing them in mass numbers.....most sane people wouldn't relate that to hunting as we know it today.

[daking]

I would posit that no species has been wiped out by SPORT HUNTING. True, bison took it on the chin, but not because people were hunting them for sport. It was market hunting. Same for the ducks out on Long Island.

No and I mean NO species has been decimated by sport hunters. We are careful with our quarry if only because we want to be able to hunt them again tomorrow.

In Africa, the elephant is thriving...except in Kenya. Kenya forbids hunting elephants. Of course, they overrun villages, eat crops and are considered by the indigenees to be rats with trunks. They help the ivory poachers so that they don't get overrun.

When people hunt for sport, the species becomes valuable, because we spend a lot of money chasing it. No one wants to see deer, elk, rabbits, quail grouse (yes even grouse) or any game species damaged by over-hunting. Look at the thread under deer hunting about killing does, and you'll find people arguing about why we should take less deer. Is that the path to extincition?

I'd be at that school with a full head of steam in the morning. That teacher is teaching absolute Bravo Sierra. Market hunting has extincted some species, but those of us who are sport hunters are the reason that many species still thrive.

[daking]

Sorry, Quack. It's all about sport hunting. The bison kills were the fauna equivalent of clear cutting land to build golf courses.

[raven_over_easy]

Some teachers, including myself, promote hunting and fishing as safe and enjoyable recreational activities to our students. It is part of "my mini unit" on life skills.;)

[daking]

Yo Raven.. It would appear that the Commonwealth's money is being well-spent on your teaching salary. Good goin'

[Multidigits]

Sorry, Quack. It's all about sport hunting. The bison kills were the fauna equivalent of clear cutting land to build golf courses.


AKA -- Habitat loss

[quackrstackr]

What is all about sport hunting. You two just get back from a mind reading class or something?

Guys... nowhere in the original post was there a shot taken at sport hunting.

It says OVER HUNTING (read the generic hunting/killing of animals) is a reason for animal extinction.

IT IS A TRUE STATEMENT.....

Blow into a school ranting like a mad man over that and you would be laughed out of the place.

You guys that tout yourself as being walking wildlife encyclopedias need to delve back into the books again on this one.

[daking]

Not even habitat loss, Tom. Wholesale slaughter to feed people. Bison for money. There's plenty of habitat. Buffalo Bill Cody and the boys just killed everything in sight.

Happy hunting. It's guys like us that have kept a deer herd in Kentucky. Enjoy the day.

[Louhunter]

I am a hunter and have been for 50 years. But if you understand history Over Hunting has caused elimination of species. The Passenger Pigon , Buffalo, and Pairie hen come to mind. So the answer to the question may be over hutning, but the real answer is loss of habitat. Somtimes we has hunters have to face realities, and it WAS us. But no one has done more for wildlife in the USA that hunters.

[daking]

Quack, over the years, we have not gotten along well. I understand that you disagree with me most of the time and take some serious offiense at some of what I say.

That being said, the teacher's intent (or the lesson plan's intent) was to have a nice little nine year old whizz and moan to daddy about how he's killing the planet's critters. It was a shot. You are parsing words that need not be parsed.

Sport hunting is a lot different than killing everything in sight. Same as clear cutting a forest as opposed to selective timber harvest.

[raven_over_easy]

If this is an Open response question, You may need "teach" your son to expand upon the over hunting issue as a unregulated or illegal taking of wild game that is a real problem in developing countries, i.e. Africa, Asia, and China. But, the number one issue facing all threatened or endangered wildlife TODAY, is habitat loss, regardless of the species.

[SteveR]

I think some of you may be missing the fact that this was not a multiple choice question. The three answers given were all needed for the correct answer.

I am going to have to side with quack on this topic. The answer is using hunting as a broad term or definition for the killing of an animal. Lets face it, anytime that an animal is killed intentionally it could be considered hunting. Intentionally taking the life of an animal regardless of whether it was done for sport within the laws or taken outside of the laws could in the broad sense be considered hunting. I dont know what else you could call it.Possibly killing, but I dont know of any animal that would volunteer its life and wait in line for us to kill it.
So in that sense, Overhunting could most definately and without question is a reason for the possible extinction of an animal.

The killing of Bison would be considered hunting because they were killed intentionally by man regardless of the reason or purpose behind it.The expansion of the West created habitat loss, so both answers coule be applied for the near extinction of these animals. The reason why this is not a multiple choice question. All three answers are possibilites for causing the extinction of an animal.

[SteveR]

"That being said, the teacher's intent (or the lesson plan's intent) was to have a nice little nine year old whizz and moan to daddy about how he's killing the planet's critters. It was a shot. You are parsing words that need not be parsed."

Sorry but I forgot to include my reply to this one.

Daking,

Surely you are not serious about what you believe the lessons plan true intent was. If you are, and you are entitled to your own opinion, I dont know how you could ever kill anything because you must spend the better part of your time looking over your shoulder.

[shaman]

My son had this question come up on an exam in high school up here in Cincinnati. He got honked off at the teacher and took her to task for it.

1) It is illegal poaching not hunting that is causing problems
2) It is only affecting a small number of species, like primates, elephants, and such-- the sort of things you see in the zoo.
3) The vast majority of species facing extinction are due to habitat destruction, and not all of it is man-made.

Bottom line: You're wrong, lady. You're teaching a flawed, biased, anti-human agenda, and you're maligning the largest single group of contributors to habitat conservation-- the sport hunter. I'll bring in all of my Dad's and my licenses and tags and you bring in all your receipts for donations you've made to the environment, and we'll total them up.



Get'em Son!

[hannibal]

this is third grade right? teaching a kid that overhunting can lead to extinction? sounds like a good thing to me. kind of like herd management. don't kill to little or you'll have health problems, starving deer. Don't kill too many or you'll have no deer to shoot. Overhunting can lead to extinction.

[BlueGrassVW]

The NA bison was hunted to satisfy the thirst for mainly hides and pleasure. The meat was not readily sold due to poor refrigeration and the bones were sent to be ground for calcium. Big business at its finest!! The NA bison was the life line of the Native Americans who depended on the animals to survive. The government knew that the bison were in danger of going extinct but turned their heads in order to promote their own greedy agendas (conquer the west). No bison + No Native Americans = Less conflict and US expansion. Thus the bison were brought down from millions to just a couple hundred before they were protected.
The thought of habitat loss as the reason is laughable! Consider a few homesteads out on the prairie… The overall effect the bison would have had on the homesteaders would have been minimal! But, by today’s standards and the over development of many areas they would probably be a problem. To think if we hadn’t brought the herd to such low levels people would have learned to coupe with the migration of the bison by now. We could be going out west to hunt wild free ranging bison to this day by the hundreds of thousands (considering a managed herd of course)

Last note: train companies used to promote bison hunts as a way to get passengers to pay to travel west. When it came down to it hundreds of people would open the passenger car windows or sit on the roof and shoot boxes of shells into the passing bison. Talk about waste…The trains wouldn’t even stop after the hunt.
THIS WAS OVER HUNTING AND EXPLOTATION.

On another note deer were also over hunted and brought down to extremely low levels. If that practice continued to this day you guys would only be looking forward to the opener of squirrel season.

Last but not least Daniel Boone himself said at one point Kentucky was thriving with all types of game including bison, moose and elk. Fast forward to the future and the only one we have left is the elk and they had to be reintroduced…

HUMANS THE WORLDS INFECTION!!!

Sorry for the ramble and I also apologize for the bad grammar and misspelled words I am leaving work and rushed…Had to toss in my 2 cents.

[1LOW8TE]

Just another example how the liberals are brainwashing our kids. I would go and talk with the teacher and ask her to make it clear to her class, that the practice of "illegal hunting" promotes exctiction


You are correct. Another reason for me to homeschool my kids.

[SteveR]

" I would go and talk with the teacher and ask her to make it clear to her class, that the practice of "illegal hunting" promotes exctiction"

1LOW8TE

Scentfree is only providing the correct answer to the question in his own statement above. Look at it this way.

Why would there be a need for laws to regulate hunting?

Because the process of overhunting promotes extinction. This is why we have tag limits.

If overhunting did not promote extinction there would be no such thing as "illegal hunting"

This is only hypothetical, but say the KDFW mistakenly determined large deer numbers in the state and allowed every hunter to harvest as many deer as they pleased bucks and does. Would we be in agreement that over a period of years the total deer population in the state would decrease? It would have to, even though we as hunters were taking the deer legally within the regulations.

So, even legal hunting, in some cases could be considered overhunting thus promoting lower numbers and possibilities for extinction if it is not corrected.

[daking]

I sleep with a member of the education profession. I can promise you that the lesson was not to discuss market hunting or Buffalo Bill Cody. It was designed to create in the mind of a young kid that dad is out wiping out all of the deer, ducks, rabbits, etc.

There was no equally probative question that exposed the roll of hunters in all manners of conservation that has preserved species, brought species back from the brink of extinction, etc. While Buffalo Bill Cody could have been in some loose sense be considered a buffalo hunter, Theodore Roosevelt could also be considered America's greatest conservationist.

When my kids were in grade school, they had some sort of enrichment program in which the teacher invited Andrea Reid (now Lococco) into the school to talk about being nice to animals. Of course, Andrea was the local Fund for Animals lady. She spent some of the class talking about how bad hunting was. My poor, innocent third-grade daughter told Ms. Reid that she had heard her daddy (me) say that hunting was a very good thing. Suffice it to say that 1) Ms. Reid said some unfortunate things about me to my daughter 2) I was called to school and 3) I calmly explained that I was not pleased that they brought in an outsider to proslethyse the kids and to tell my daughter that I was mean. Since then, Fund for Animals, PeTA, HSUS have not been part of that school's cirriculum.

Boys and Girls, I read all of the stuff that my wife gets from the NEA, the KEA and the JCTA. Every word. They are pretty damned organized about how they will demonize smoking, guns, hunting and a host of other things that some of their leadership finds offensive. You think what you want. Thirty five years ago, I bet you would have laughed at people who told you that you were going to have to stand out in the back of your building in the rain like a junkie scoring smack to have a smoke. You'd have hooted at the idea of not using good old Winchester Super-X lead shot on ducks. You would have busted a gut laughing at the idea that Hillary Clinton would be a serious contender for president. Those concepts didn't seem worth worrying about way back then...but they all came to pass. So take whatever attitude you like.

[daking]

"That being said, the teacher's intent (or the lesson plan's intent) was to have a nice little nine year old whizz and moan to daddy about how he's killing the planet's critters. It was a shot. You are parsing words that need not be parsed."

Sorry but I forgot to include my reply to this one.

Daking,

Surely you are not serious about what you believe the lessons plan true intent was. If you are, and you are entitled to your own opinion, I dont know how you could ever kill anything because you must spend the better part of your time looking over your shoulder.


Sometimes the deer come from behind.

[Shelbyhunter]

Hey guys, I was helping my third grade boy with his science test tonight and come upon this question. It says"Name three reasons why animals are becoming extinct today." The answers are Habitat Loss, New Predators , AND OVER HUNTING!! This is the answers they are supposed to give on their tests. The third answer upset me a little. I know overhunting CAN cause extinction but I think it is crazy to suggest it to young kids. What is your guys's thoughts?
ests.

I would say that there is only one answer to that question...liberal hsus/peta members are responsible for extinction.

[Xi Bowhunter]

I sleep with a member of the education profession.
Are you SERIOUSLY this insecure?

[buckfever]

Hey guys, I was helping my third grade boy with his science test tonight and come upon this question. It says"Name three reasons why animals are becoming extinct today." The answers are Habitat Loss, New Predators , AND OVER HUNTING!! This is the answers they are supposed to give on their tests. The third answer upset me a little. I know overhunting CAN cause extinction but I think it is crazy to suggest it to young kids. What is your guys's thoughts?
ests.

It seems to me that our collective problem with the statement that "over hunting" causes extinction is based upon the poor phrasing and lack of context.

As Daking points out, the term "hunting" is more or less generically applied in this test so that kids grow up thinking that any type of hunting = extinction. I agree that this is probably intentional on the part of a group that doesn't like sport hunting, and designed to leave kids with a negative view of "hunting". I'd also agree that portraying "hunting" generically in a negative light without providing any context is deliberate.

For example, the Courier-Journal today carried an editorial by Ellen Goodman of the Washington Post. In that piece, Goodman talked about some turkeys showing up in her back yard and she discussed the resurgence of wild turkeys across the U.S. I read the piece with interest, b/c I knew that she was a flaming liberal (anti-gun and probably also anti-hunting) and wanted to see whether she would give any credit to the NWTF. Not surprisingly, the NWTF was never mentioned (only some guy from the Audobon Society which I doubt had much to do with the turkey reintroduction programs), so the reader was never informed that it was actually sportsmen that were primarily responsible for the reintroduction of turkeys across America.

Her slant was generally that many animals can cohabitate with humans if given a chance. An uninformed reader of her op/ed letter would conclude that turkeys rebounded by simply being re-introduced and then left alone. Discussion on the need to manage wildlife in a world increasingly populated by humans was noticeably absent.

Somebody mentioned passenger pigeons earlier in this thread. Passenger pigeons were killed by the thousands (including mass killings at roost sites) and sold for commercial purposes, so it wasn't sport hunting alone that was responsible for the demise of that species.

In the end, it really doesn't matter, b/c humans HAVE to be stewards of wildlife as we increasingly invade the world's "wild" spaces and use animals as resources for food, fuel, clothes or whatever. Regardless of whether we're talking about the overharvest of ducks by sport hunters or the depletion of tuna populations by fishing vessels, at the end of the day, we're really talking about the same thing. Humans will inevitably have to manage every animal resource we use, or those animals will indeed become extinct.

[SteveR]

We are certainly all entitled to our views. I guess if the answer to the question posted was simply just "hunting" I could understand how that may be misinterpreted and I would be more open to accept your point of view.

My problem with it is this... the answer isnt just "hunting" it is "overhunting"

"Overhunting" would contribute to habitat extinction. Its a fact in my book and I cant see it any other way except being stated correctly regardless of my love for hunting and my moral hate of those that oppose it.

I've enjoyed reading others opinions and certainly respect those mentioned. Now that Im home from Alabama I have other things to tend to... hunting first..... the wife later!

[trust me]

Are you SERIOUSLY this insecure?

Huh? I am pretty sure he's just saying his wife is a teacher.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Huh? I am pretty sure he's just saying his wife is a teacher.
There are more tactful ways to do so, don't you think?

[daking]

Relax, XI. It's a joke.

Read past the first line. There are bigger issues.

[Gobblergetter2.1]

I had a test with the same question not to long ago....the answer to mine was habitat loss....(i got it right).

[MJMbowman]

First of all, I don't think the teachers are anti-hunters. I think it was just a lesson plan they went by. I know MY boy knows the difference between OVERhunting and conservation hunting. However, I wonder how the kids that are not around hunting veiw this? Another thing that bothers me is the question states," Reasons why animals are extinct TODAY"

[Auk1124]

I'm pretty sure the Creation Museum is going to have an exhibit showing cavemen killing dinosaurs on fenced hunts with crossbows. I bet that is what killed them all.

Seriously though, I think the question and answer were fuzzy enough to possibly be open to interpretation as some sort of anti-hunting dig, if your kid's teacher is an airhead. Good for you for catching it and actually going over your kid's homework - something far too few parents do.

Your child will get exposed to a lot of potential crap at school over the years, either deliberately or by some teachers who are too dumb or too lazy to tell the truth, and it will be up to you and the child to sort through it all. Its an early life lesson for your child - a whole lot of people out there are, to put it simply, totally full of $hit. It took me a long time to learn this, to my detriment. The earlier your child can learn it the better.

Congrats again for being responsible enough to care about your child's education.

[Mepperson]

WOW, I never knew a third grade test question could get 5 pages of posts and a few people riled up. I am always interested in posts about school and teachers in general and it's funny how labels and names get tossed our way. Just like any profession, there is a big diversity of thoughts and ideas in education.

First off, there is no conspiracy to "brainwash" kids into being liberal or anything else. I teach middle school science and when I havested a turkey with my bow this year, I shared the pictures with my classes. In fact, many of my students hunt even though we are an independent "city" district. Many of my students ask daily if I've killed a deer yet because they get a kick out of knowing several of them have already taken theirs. I use every chance I get to talk to the kids about hunting and hunters being the true conservationists of wildlife. Many kids don't know that it is the funds from hunters that pay for wildlife conservation. I have had local conservation officers come in and teach about wildlife and we are currently working on an assignment for the Conservation of Wildlife Writing Contest hosted by the conservation districts statewide.

I think the answers to the test question were taken out of context and I agree with CrackerStacker that the term overhunting was used in a general sense and speaking historically. The third grade teacher in this case is probably using a textbook that contains the concepts she/he is trying to get across to the kids. The teacher is probably not a hunter, but it doesn't matter really. She may not have any idea what kind of ruckus this has caused with all of you sensitive guys:D. If it is really causing you that much grief, just go and talk with the teacher and explain your concerns and offer to arrange a local conservation officer to come to class and present information on wildlife conservation. I would think that the teacher would be reasonable and accept your offer or the teacher may talk with her class about any misconceptions the lesson may have caused.

With that said, I want to thank the original person for actually taking time to work with his child on their studies. You just don't know how much that will help your child have a successful future. You should be commended.

[daking]

Mep, I wish I shared your optimism and your opinion.

[mpowers]

I'am from Indiana , and the teachers are people who have never hunted .
They come from a back ground where they have lived in the city , and
don't even know anybody that hunts.
My grandson went to school , and was bragging about a doe he killed.
He is 12 and this was his first deer,so he was very proud that he killed it.
He was telling the kids how it dropped when he shot it , and then was telling
them that his Dad let him field dress it. His Dad told him what to do and how
to do it . He was really proud.
When his teacher heard what he talking about , she about went through the
roof. He was sent to the principles office. His parents were called and told to
have a talk with him. They were told he was not allowed to talk about hunting
and killing animals. And he was not to talk about guns. The school acted like he committed a crime.

[30WCF]

I think it depends on what public school your kid attends. Mine just started and I'm keeping a close eye and ear on them. When I was in the same school he's attending there were a lot more kids from rural areas that hunted and many of the teachers hunted. Things have changed around here.

[WildmanWilson]

Why is it so hard to see that over hunting can cause the extiction of animals. Thats the reason we have game laws now. We must have a balance. They are a renewable resource but if anything is over harvested it will be extinct. Many big game animals were nearly lost forever. Why do you think we had to restock turkey,deer,and elk in Ky. We once had grizzly bear, cougars, and bison also.

Even with sport hunting we can clean them off the face of the earth. Just take all hunting laws away and see how well the population does. Hunting isnt the only thing that can destroy them but it can be a big part of it if we don't do things the right way. Its all about balance.

[Ky'sFinest]

My son had this question come up on an exam in high school up here in Cincinnati. He got honked off at the teacher and took her to task for it.

1) It is illegal poaching not hunting that is causing problems
2) It is only affecting a small number of species, like primates, elephants, and such-- the sort of things you see in the zoo.
3) The vast majority of species facing extinction are due to habitat destruction, and not all of it is man-made.

Bottom line: You're wrong, lady. You're teaching a flawed, biased, anti-human agenda, and you're maligning the largest single group of contributors to habitat conservation-- the sport hunter. I'll bring in all of my Dad's and my licenses and tags and you bring in all your receipts for donations you've made to the environment, and we'll total them up.



Get'em Son!


props on the bottom line... i need to remember that!!!

[Xi Bowhunter]

I'am from Indiana , and the teachers are people who have never hunted .
They come from a back ground where they have lived in the city , and
don't even know anybody that hunts.
My grandson went to school , and was bragging about a doe he killed.
He is 12 and this was his first deer,so he was very proud that he killed it.
He was telling the kids how it dropped when he shot it , and then was telling
them that his Dad let him field dress it. His Dad told him what to do and how
to do it . He was really proud.
When his teacher heard what he talking about , she about went through the
roof. He was sent to the principles office. His parents were called and told to
have a talk with him. They were told he was not allowed to talk about hunting
and killing animals. And he was not to talk about guns. The school acted like he committed a crime.

This is terrible! I would have some choice words for the officials of that school system.

[scrape]

Sounds like they are tyring to teach him to be a tree hugger.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Sounds like they are tyring to teach him to be a tree hugger.


Well, I am a tree hugger....I hug the tree when climbing up to my stand to kill a deer:D

[Jimbo]

I think overhunting is a very good answer. That's why we have regulations in place.
I remember hunting as a kid in the hills of West Virginia, and to see a deer was a rareity.
I had a friend who killed a buck when we were seniors in highschool, and it was in all
the papers.

We have several animals that was almost killed out. The timber wolf is just one.
What's the Australian animal that was killed out . I believe it was a tasmamian tiger.

[WildmanWilson]

I'am from Indiana , and the teachers are people who have never hunted .
They come from a back ground where they have lived in the city , and
don't even know anybody that hunts.
My grandson went to school , and was bragging about a doe he killed.
He is 12 and this was his first deer,so he was very proud that he killed it.
He was telling the kids how it dropped when he shot it , and then was telling
them that his Dad let him field dress it. His Dad told him what to do and how
to do it . He was really proud.
When his teacher heard what he talking about , she about went through the
roof. He was sent to the principles office. His parents were called and told to
have a talk with him. They were told he was not allowed to talk about hunting
and killing animals. And he was not to talk about guns. The school acted like he committed a crime.


Maybe you guys can contact the ACLU. I bet they would jump at the chance to represent the young man. By the way you may want to tell them he's gay or an illegal immigrant just to be sure. :rolleyes: