Unbelievable - Must Read

[redbone]

If I read this post correctly, which I've reread it several times now, this guy is admitting that he took 2 different bucks this year... granted it appears he is from out of state, but he should know the game laws... http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=119317

I will quote here what is posted on the above link

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">"We hunted Christian County, and saw a lot of bucks the first three days of the season. On Saturday Nov. 8th I witnessed several bucks chasing does, and shot a nice 8pt. chasing a doe that afternoon. On my way to my stand on the morning of the 9th., I heard several bucks chasing does through the tree line I was hunting. I even had one buck walk out on me about a 100 yards before my stand, I don't know if he heard me or what, he then ran back into the tree line. All morning I could hear deer trotting through the thicket behind me. And, finally I had three bucks come out into the field chasing a doe. I shot the last buck, which was another great 8pt. The next day a front moved in and it warmed up and was really windy until we left on Wednesday. We saw very limited deer movement from Monday to Wednesday, but did manage to shoot a 5 pt. Wednesday morning. He was freshing up a scrape along the edge of the field.
As a whole, the deer where rutting during the first two days of the season, but when the weather warmed up and got windy, they quit moving."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">


I am not a spectator of nature, but rather a participant; a hunter.

[lab]

Redbone, I counted <b>three</b>! Two eights and a five point. How stupid can you be to post something like this?

[Bucko]

How did this guy check in 3 bucks without getting bit of heat from someone.who let him shoot 3 on there land??????????? Bucko

Frank Warren

[redbone]

On the 3rd buck, the 5 pointer, when I read it I wasn't for sure if he took it, before that he mentioned "we saw very limited deer..." and then went on to say about the 5 pointer, which I sort of took as someone in the hunting group....but if he took 2 bucks, it wouldn't surprise me if he took 3.

I am not a spectator of nature, but rather a participant; a hunter.

[Pooge]

The following is a copy of an E-mail I just sent to this nice young man:

"I enjoyed your post regarding the 2 - 8 Pt. Bucks and 1 – 5 Pt Buck you killed. Especially due to the fact that you are only allowed ONE antlered deer.

This, along with your name, is now known by many people, including law enforcement officers, in the state of Kentucky….. Hopefully the KDFWR will remember this the next time you apply for tags. Assuming you even did that in the first place."


Every person, all the events of your life, are there because you have drawn them there.
What you choose to do with them is up to you. - R. Bach

[RDL270]

Good one Pooge. Has he replied to you? Let us know his response.

R

[Valley Station]

I checked on Google and his name, address & phone number are listed.
Wonder if , he called all three(3)in??[?]

[Pooge]

Well, you know me...... I just cant pass up an opportunity at being an a$$hole.

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=119317

[oldforestor]

Ya gotta go to the link just to see the guy. He's got his own pic on there with a drink, showing the thumb about to go in his a$$.
anyone with some html code talent out there wanna try and make this into a poster???

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[lab]

Very nice Pooge! I hope he gets caught. It is diaheartening to here about people killing more than one antlered deer in a season. Espescially to those of us who let many young deer walk in anticipation of what they turn out to be next year. Kind of hard to do that when you have really nice people like this one who kill just for bragging rights.

[Pinwheel5]

3 bucks, man, I bet he feels great. @$$hole.[xx(]

No, seriously, I was aiming there!

[rouge]

makes u wonder how many other slobs have done this? i hope one of our gw's see this and act accordingly.

[oldforestor]

Also a great reason to increase non resident license fees.
talk about devaluing our deer herd! jeeez

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[Hammer]

wow, look at this!! http://veepers02.budweiser.com/service/RetrieveCard?id=D7270866-2C14-11D8-8B94-B3EE4054966E LOL! Be patient, it takes a bit to load, but I think you will like it.

[oldforestor]

top shelf Hammer!

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[raktrakr]

[:D][:D][:D] GOOD ONE!!

[Pooge]

Hammer! You da man! I have been laughing so hard my gut is hurting. I hope we dont offend anyone by having a sense of humor! [;)]

[RDL270]

Hammer that was a classic!!!

[oldforestor]

The term <b></b>FLORIDIOT<b></b> has even more meaning now.

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[kybuck]

the reason this jerk has no fear of making this post is the
same reason he committed the crime in the first place. it will
not be persued! he has virtually no chance of being caught! i'll bet you if someone sends this to kdfw it would
be disregarded! they may call and he would say someone else tagged
the 2nd and 3rd buck and that would be the end of it! how would we ever know?

[BIGDAWG]

In their defense , how could you pursue this? Prosecute based on a boast and then have the guy say he was just bs'ing? It would be interesting to ask a co what, if anything could be done. The best thing we can do is make it as public as possible and hope this guy gets embarrassed with the spotlight he has put on himself. Someone e mail him this thread and see if he joins in!!!

[kybowhunter]

What aa Dumb as@!!!!!Keep riding him Boy's.The Bud thing is frickin hillarious[:D][:D]

www.kyarchery.com

[buckdroppings]

Hammer that is a great clip....

[squirrelgravy]

HAMMER!! That was awesome!! Someone needs to post that on the site the Floridiot was posting on so he sees it!!!

[Bucko]

This is directed to Oldforester, don't lump all out of staters in this guys wagon,we hunt kentucky and do it by the rules!! I am sure there might be a local boy that might take more than his share.we are glad to be able to hunt your state.Bucko

Frank Warren

[Bucko]

Don't get me wrong,the A@@HOLE should fall from his tree stand,or just hang there, but don't lump me with him!!!Bucko

Frank Warren

[Hunter]

seems like that post was on this site yesterday also. but cant seem to find it now. wonder if he'll be back?

[Albinobuck]

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zeroavatar/7538 then this IDIOT has the nerve to post his picture I know a good spot to shove that thumb BOY. you might as well tatoo I'm a idiot accrossed you forehead

Good Luck Be Safe and Get A Big One

[Multidigits]

I don't have a problem with non-resident hunters. I, myself, like to hunt other states and wouldn't want to be screwed over any worse than we are now. I do like the idea of reciprocal license prices, but that's it. I don't see gouging anyone, and I don't want to be gouged in the process.

Ole forestor, where you going to draw the line? What about hunt where you own land or live? Stay in your own county? Don't travel? Doesn't make sense.

[stevenmaggard]

I would like to come face to face with that joker and poor a 55-gallon drum of ky whoopa$$ all over em.[B)]

Cuff em... stuff em[8D]

[oldforestor]

well digits, ever been to arkansas? out of state tourist hunting has ruined the place. i go as a guest of friends there and the popularity of duck "shooting", as opposed to hunting, has chnged the landscape of land ownership, land leasing and hunting opportunities.
maybe if the land around you got leased up by people who show up, expect to limit out every day and then leave, you might not be as big of a fan. that could happen here one day.

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[oldforestor]

States like Illinois have a limited number of tags available for non residents. we should too. Since you think too many deer are being killed why would you be for more unlimited doe hunters?

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[smiley]

three bucks!!! and they wonder about limited deer movement. i wonder also there buddy. bad judgement, now the kids of the future will be like where did all the deer go, dad, well i don't know, think about the kids of the future, dad

[ksp771]

That is awesome!!!!!! how did you do that? I could really make some guys here where I work cry and cry and cry.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Hammer</i>
<br />wow, look at this!! http://veepers02.budweiser.com/service/RetrieveCard?id=D7270866-2C14-11D8-8B94-B3EE4054966E LOL! Be patient, it takes a bit to load, but I think you will like it.
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http://www.wrightsweaponsystems.com

[Multidigits]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by oldforestor</i>
<br />well digits, ever been to arkansas? out of state tourist hunting has ruined the place. i go as a guest of friends there and the popularity of duck "shooting", as opposed to hunting, has chnged the landscape of land ownership, land leasing and hunting opportunities.
maybe if the land around you got leased up by people who show up, expect to limit out every day and then leave, you might not be as big of a fan. that could happen here one day.

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Yep, I go at leat one or two times a year. Going on New Years day. Allways been treated fine, and with respect as a hunter. We hunt, and don't always get to shoot.

As for land, anything can happen with the rights. It's up to the hunter in insure that he has a place to hunt. Nothing in life is free, and hunting is no exception.

Pretty ironic that you can go to Ark. but don't want NR's hunters to come here. Explain?

[Bucko]

As for me Oleforster I don't shoot"Your Doe" but you must be shooting there ducks!! Bucko

Frank Warren

[oldforestor]

I didnt say i didnt want NR hunters here!!! I said what if we have a tag lotto like other states, making it a privilidge to hunt here.
I said i thought the fees were pretty generous and the limits very liberal. funny how you think were all shooting too many deer but you dont think there should be any limits on NR numbers. Funnier how you always single me out since you know Im a believer in the kdfwr and qdm. funniest how you use your statistics selectively to suit the poster your attacking...ie, when you were saying that poaching is 50/50 buck:doe you cited roadblock stats to support this. Fine, but in a different post with a different agenda, you discussed the many bucks that never leave the land their poached on-something I have always believed-but you disputed this in another post where i tried to make a point about actual versus reported harvest.
Ducks and deer are two entirely different things. ducks in arkansas as a commercial enterprise and the club situation down there are bizarrely out of wack. Worse yet,Go park your ky plate down at the big ditch at bayou meto, get in a hole someones been hunting since they were a kid with their grandad and see if you have any tires when you get back. I watched my friend kick the crap out of someone who got in "his" hole. I also hunt with friends on private land and am not really perceived as a tourist, but a guest. I hear what they think of commercial hunting and out of staters who think everybody loves em. Its not that their not friendly its that they resent their opportunities being limited by a huge ingress of non residents. I see their point. They dont want you to not get to kill ducks, What they dont want is for you to buy/lease all their land, fill up their wma's, skybust their ducks, and then leave a crappy tip for their wives at the diner. <b>Dont twist my meanings</b>. I want my friends from out of state to hunt here too. I just dont want it to get like arkansas.

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[oldforestor]

Put it this way,
if one day we found ourselves with as many NR hunters as Arkansas has, we really will have a drop in the deer population.

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[Multidigits]

Actually, if you look at the facts, which I always do, you'll see that Ark. has a cheaper NR lic. than does Ky. They sell a trip lic. for $55, and a yearly is $85. Ours is higher.

Again, poachers poach what's in front of them when they decide to poach. It's proven by countless past cases, and the roadblock data that was taken when the Dept. used the roadblocks. Both bucks and does are killed and never leave the ground from which they were taken.

Ducks in Ark./deer in Ill.--it's what's popular with the hunters. Maybe someday it'll happen in Ky., who knows. Everybody needs to protect what they have.

I hunt mostly public land in Ark. We hunt guided and free lance both. Never had any trouble like you mention. Never heard of any ass whippings on the White River WMA froma guide or anyone else. We beat one of the guides in one time and weren't treated any different than I would expect. He simply said he thought he was good enough to call the ducks off of us, but would prefer not too. He asked us to hunt with him, at no charge to us, instead of working the other end of the lake against him. We all had a good hunt, us and the paid hunter. The guide was first class and could work them ducks better than we ever could.

Don't know, but would expect your guides(friends) get crappy tips because their service is subpar. That's normally why crappy tips are given?

See you in Arkansas?

[greenskeeter]

Oldforester, just curious, what happened after your friend rumbled over his honeyhole? Did you suggest going somewhere else, as I assume you did not approve of his actions? Or did you fellas settle in for a good hunt after the other hunter drug himself away?

[gut shot]

i have no problem with nr hunters i know some guys from down south that hunt next to my farm there good guys but as far as killin 2 or 3 bucks that it bull crap nr or any body when i go to arkansas i kill my limit and quit just like i do here.

[oldforestor]

...guide might have been from out of state too. another whole different problem where guides from up north whose seasons are finished take hunters on arkansas public ground for pay, most residents have a problem with that. If an out of state guide sends his boy to hold our hole in a fast empty boat so he can charge money as a commercial guide and hunt on public ground, he may well be asked to leave. He is free to refuse, offer to work together whatever. But Ive seen the slashed tires and the unpleasant words. Ive spent 15 years on bayou meto. 45 days a year, usually as the only NR in the group, 50/50 public/private, hunting with the homeboys so to speak. Word to the wise, if you see a former dallas cowboy tight end and two former bull riders headed your way, I'd try to work something out. Their nice, just dont sass em they dont do preliminaries down there, it goes to fists pretty quick. The tip situation is merely a reference to the many guests who dont know how to be guests. South carolinians are well known in ark for thinking themselves so superior to the natives as they throw their money around as to be barely tolerable. Some northerners get the same rap. Id say most Tenn, KY, and Miss people are more easily hosted as we are seen as somewhat similar in culture and attitude.
But you didnt reply to hear that I know so much about life in arkansas, this post was about an outrageous case of poaching that probably wont be prosecutable. I was criticized for broaching the possibility NR hunters should not be a big priority. We ought to set a limit-we may not even be there yet; as other than this guy, i dont see much effect. If we currently have 20,000 NR hunters, let's stop at 25,000 and thereafter it's 1st come 1st sold, like illinois. I dont know what the number is, but again if our popularity is rising, maybe we should be asking these questions fore its too late.

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[oldforestor]

ill probably get bounced for all these extra posts but what the hell? Im losing all the debates anyway. The farm next to us in Shelby brings in a crew from of all places...<b></b>florida<b></b>!!!
We knew something had been up over the years as the gunfire was unbelievable.&lt;kinda hurt our qdm feelings&gt; we heard rumors of a lot of wounded deer and saw some unrecovered deer on our place. Well long story short last week my landowner found the pile. <b></b>no wait,it gets better!!! <b></b> THe landowner had our commissioner out checking out the quail and he saw it too. These guys are not representitive of every individual that comes here, but maybe, at least with floridiots, we need to include rulebooks or something.

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[Wildcat]

oldforestor,
Your not the only one singled out, he's done me that way since I first came aboard. Funny thing about so called facts and figures.If KDFWR does not know how many deer there are in Ky to start with then all the figures, numbers and percentages are off and wrong. Any grade school math teacher will tell you that. You have to have a certain number to start with since if the first number is ever chacged then all the other numbers that come after that will change too. All the "experts" on here say KDFWR does not know how many deer are in Kentucky. When you use one figure without the others to get a point across the media call that spinning.

[oldforestor]

Wildcat,
Differences of opinion on here are tolerated so long as they dont conflict with the agendas of the people with all the stars. Theyre only words, I will still kill the number of legal does I feel appropriate to the land Im on, and keep on praying we dont end up like alabama in 10 years. As far as the insinuation that Im against NR hunters, it's bull. I have 4 NR friends that come around, not every year, but valuable quality time i dont wish to limit, that would be silly. I simply opened a discussion with a problem NR state as an example and as usual was derided by someone with all the facts gathered in his annual outings. Im there on business, in the summer fishing, playing golf, fall dove hunting, staying in my friends homes, going to church with em and seeing how things are. They dont hate you, theyre christians. they just wish their werent so many of you. As to seeing me in ARK, there's two different worlds down there. Im very fortunate to be in the homeboy world, not the argo ridin, commercial guide who calls himself a club, 18 men in a blind, duck "shooting" world most get stuck with. If you run into me down there, youve done well.

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[Multidigits]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the rules and regs. changed recently on Bayou Metro because of incident like you describe? I know that all the guides on the White don't have any set honey holes any longer. Good guides hunt the birds, not certain honey holes. If you need the name of a good guide, let me know. If there's ducks there, he'll be in the middle of them.

Done with the discussion. You have your feelings toward NR hunters and I have mine. Mine are different then yours. I've hosted hunters from several states this year and find them no different then residents for the most part. None did the things your dwelling on, and I doubt that many do. Most behave themselves above board, as they should, and as we all should when we travel to other states.

Wildcat, you and I have different opinions on the numbers of deer. Somedays, the Dept. has different opinions on how many there are, depends on the day, and who your talking too. At one time, you were with the majority in the opinion that the dept. was/is doing a good job managing the herd. After this year, I believe you not. You can believe what you want.

[oldforestor]

There is no commercial guiding allowed at bayou meto, dagmar, hurricane, dont know about the others. as far as guides I wouldnt know, I dont hunt with guides. I know all about the little deal down at st charles baitshop. I would highly recommend anyone guide there to anyone... from florida.
As far as your continuing attempt to portray me as anti NR since weve been on here railing out this chester from florida, you must not be reading what Im typing, I never, for the 5th time,never said I was against NR, I said we should look at holding the line somewhere. When does the reality train come to your town?
First there's no deer,
THen we're killing too many
then the harvest is actually less
then we have several relevent examples of poaching done coincidently by outastaters,
but then we cant talk about reviewing outastate numbers because you know some guys that are okay. This is really productive.



Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[Multidigits]

There is no commercial guiding allowed at bayou meto, dagmar, hurricane, dont know about the others.

Was, until recently on certain days of the week.

I know all about the little deal down at st charles baitshop. I would highly recommend anyone guide there to anyone... from florida

I don't. I hunt with an Ark. guide, not a Ky. based hunting club. I also hunt free lance and on the guides rice field when he's not using it. Plenty of places to hunt there, guided or otherwise

As far as your continuing attempt to portray me as anti NR since weve been on here railing out this chester from florida, you must not be reading what Im typing, I never, for the 5th time,never said I was against NR, I said we should look at holding the line somewhere. When does the reality train come to your town?

My first response was to your post that you removed. It was anti-NR.
Then post like "South carolinians are well known in ark for thinking themselves so superior to the natives as they throw their money around as to be barely tolerable. Some northerners get the same rap" might make people think you have something against NR's. Then you want a limit on the number of licenses? Naw, you don't have a problem with NR hunters.

The point of it all is that a few NR might be poor hunters, so are a few resident hunters. Why limit your rebuke to one group and not the other. You put a post on here and then took it back off. why? Put it back on if that's how you feel.

[oldforestor]

Ive rebuked both equally, youve just got a problem with me cause Im killing a lot of does and am on board with QDM. I took the post down because on further review I thought it overkill. Your quoting a post noone else saw thru your priviledge as moderator, why? And again, I just cant logically understand a view that we have too many unlimited doe hunters, but should never, ever discuss what is our max carrying capacity of non-resident additional unlimited doe hunters-which has nothing to do with arkansas, The SC item was giving an example of the behavior that is often remembered after duck season and reflects on NR hunters.
Love to stay and do this some more but no matter what I say youre just gonna take it out of context. gotta get busy for tomorrow- Lots of does goin down[:)]

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[Multidigits]

No true. I'm not a moderator in this forum. Your post was up long enough for me to seeit. I assume several others saw it also. Yes, it was overkill. i'm glad you took it down.

Second, I'm for QDM and can prove it. I really don't care how many does you kill. It doesn't effect me. Kill all you see, and then kill some more.

This year, I've had a guy from Georgia stay at my farm for a week. I hosted two guys from Alabama at my lease for a day. I had 2 from Florida up for a weekend. I hunt with guys from Tenn., PA., and Indiana at our Club. None of these guys have done anything wrong. Why would I want to limit them or any of the other hunters that want to come and hunt ethically because of this yahoo from Florida???? Most went home without killing anything. All are welcome back anytime they want.

[CPA Hunter]

Prohunting and prohunter, no mater what imaginary border you live across. That sounds like a good philosophy to me Multi. Those NR folks are more like you than most Nonhunters and probably most people in general.

I say this all the time, but here goes anyway; the last time I checked those men and women risking their necks for our freedom were/are doing it for the UNITED States of America. Get that one part - UNITED. At least that is what I risked my neck for, and not to have my freedoms removed because I moved across one State line or the other. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

I'm prohunter!

[Pooge]

Ok Guys, I have received a reply to the E-mail I sent to Chet.... Here it goes...

"Jody,
Let me clarify my post, I failed to mention in that post, that the
first 8pt, that was shot, was actually shot by another hunter, who
was hunting the farm next to the one we were hunting. I shot him
minutes later and finished him off. He later claimed that deer, when
I offered it to him, due to him shooting it first. I did clarify
myself in other posts on the F.S. fishing forumn, but I didn't go
into great detail on the whitetail forumn. I will edit my post to
reflect this, I was not thinking of the severity of leaving those
details out. The five point that was killed was shot by another
person, and not me, which I thought was clarified. I appreciate your
concern, and being an avid hunter myself, I should have taken more
caution in my post. I wrote it in haste and was trying to help out
the whitetail rut report. Once again, thank you for notifying me of
this important mistake. Have a great day.

Thanks,

Chet"

[Multidigits]

Most all of that could be checked out with Tele-chek. I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't been already.

[Turtleky]

Sounds reasonable to me.

[Bucko]

Oldforester, I was not by anymeans trying to single you out if that was aimed at me.But everytime something like this comes up you want to do something to the NR hunters.I think maybe the state should limit tags, but not just to us . I know the little motel I stay at for 10 days a couple times a year are glad to have me.I don't shoot doe when I am away from home but that is my choice. I do take 1 or 2 at home,we do not have a 1 buck rule and it is poor at best buck doe ratio up here, we have a 16 day gun season,23 day archery, and a 9 day muzzleloader season with a 3 deer limit, 65% of the buck shot in VT are 1.5 years old and not much. Thats why I hunt KY and IN.Plus I like the people I hunt with down there.Bucko

Frank Warren

[oldforestor]

it was a simple question...
how many NR hunters can we admit without damaging the herd. theres one guy who thinks we damage it just by following the current rules. The dept might think we need more. What i want to know is the
Carrying capacity so to speak. I imagine that today we havent reached it, tomorrow we might. what is so hard to understand about that? It's all relevent. I have to apply for a limited # tag in Illinois, a lottery in western states...Some on here think there should never be a limit to NR hunters-just seems a little short sighted.

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[quackrstackr]

All I can say is, you boys better make sure you're legal when you go down to Arkansas duck hunting... things have changed down there:

Waterfowl guides are <b>prohibited</b> from guiding on Commission-owned or controlled Wildlife Management Areas. Points assessed for violation are increased to nine for <b>waterfowl hunters who are guided</b> on Commission-owned or controlled WMAs.
Non-resident hunters who wish to seek waterfowl on any one of 23 wildlife management areas used for duck and goose hunting are required to purchase a $10 permit for five days and a $100 permit for the full season. Separate permits would be needed for each WMA the hunter visits.

If a guide you hire tries to take you on a WMA and you see a sign or know that's where he's taking you, you'd better just sit that one out. There are some fellas that got a pretty hefty fine last year just because unknown to them, the guy guiding them took them on, I believe it was, Bayou Meto.

Straight powder.......

[hunter777]

I have never hunted in your fine state but, I hope that one day I can. Please don't try to take that away! If you ever wanted to hunt in my state....cool! I'll show you some real good places!
I like to hunt different places and have hunted in about 7 or 8 different states so far. Mostly one time and usually not long enough to really get a good idea of where to hunt but, I like the change of scenery, like I said one day I want to hunt Kentucky. One of my dream hunts is to backpack into the Land Between the Lakes.

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[Mach1Alan]

just wanted to put in my 2$. last 3 years have come down from Maine for the month of Jan. have seen a lot of deer and have only taken 2. could of taken a couple nice bucks with half a rack but let em go. i think most nrs respect your resourse and i hope you dont think that all nrs are slobs. i keep coming back because i love your woods but realy enjoy your hospitality. if im in any ones back yards would love to get together and swap some stories. gonna start at paintsville and end up in lbl. should have some caribou steak left to fry up too.
Happy Holidays to all you guys and again thank's for your Hospitality

[redbow]

Not quite sure how we got from KY deer to Ark. ducks but as a non-resident hunter of KY I want to say that $140.00 is plenty enough to hunt your state. I hunted 1 week in November and I saw plenty of deer. All does and one young 4pt buck. I hunt in NC and I can take all the does and small bucks I want so when I went to KY I was holding out for the "big" buck. Well it didn't happen. If oldforester is right in his assumption, as an "out-of-stater" I should of shot everything that walked by. But I didn't. That is because I respect your regulations and your deer as much as I do my own. Oldforesters thoughts are twisted by greed, understandibly so, KY is doing things right and you guys are producing awesome bucks. Even so, to blame non-residents on a lack of success or to say that we, as a group, are responsible for massive game violations is wrong. I am in no way trying to defend this jackass who did violate regulations, but I ask that you do not overlook your own resident violators. There are many among you. It is simply too easy to blame it all on non-residents. Easy way out!

[oldforestor]

Then you didnt read the previous posts.
If it's only "plenty enough",ie, almost too much. dont come back.
Greed? Like we need your money?
If we're all as big a violators as chet appeared to be, why
come back dude?
Oh yeah , I know why...weve got a kick ass deer herd and NC's
got nothing like it. hell. You came here to trophy buck hunt. A trophy in western states can cost as much as 750 bucks, or require a lottery.NObody blamed lack of success on anything-where do you come up with that. The discussion intended to ask the question how many, how much and get input. The question was raised by the post and personal experience with SOME NR's. <b></b>DONT TWIST THE POST<b></b>

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[joekat46]

I've stayed out of this out of this discussion but have been following it with interest and some amusement. You are correct "redbow" $140.00 is enough for an out of state license whether it be in Kentucky or any other state. The way some states gouge non-resident hunters is both foolish and selfish. While in some cases the fees are set because of a real need for revenue in many instances they are set because of the whining and belly aching of their resident hunters. The costs of non-res tags in all states should be both reasonable and reciprocal. The situation is further compounded when the legislators and game departments are afraid to charge a reasonable RESIDENT fee in fear of losing a few votes on election day. Check the resident fees in some of these high priced states and you will usually see resident fees that are so low as to be a joke.

The other "crap" that has been discussed here such as, fist fights, ex Dallas Cowboys, slashed tires etc. does nothing but make hunters, as a group, look like a bunch of clowns from a "Foxworthy" video. Unless I'm missing something most of these confrontations occurred on public land that should be open on a first come first served basis not because it was "daddy's old duck hole". I've watched this kind of behavior occur on Kentucky Lake over crappie beds but never witnessed it on hunting land where both parties were armed. Dumb!

I grew up and lived most of my life in Ohio before retiring and moving to KY 8 years ago. When I return to Ohio to hunt and the Buckeye boys see my KY license plate I hear the "another Kentucky road hunter" comments, "Bet you're usin' an o-six". What goes around comes around. I'll be leaving KY later this year and will become a "floridiot". Until the whiners get their way and Kentucky's non-resident fees price me out I'll be returning to Kentucky each spring and fall to hunt. Live with it.

"Hunter777" - do that LBL hunt. It is a great spot and is a NATIONAL RECREATION area. Hope to see you there. I'll be the one with the Florida tags[:D]. Maybe the new governor should think about changing the Kentucky license plate from "We're that friendly" to "Stay the heck out".

[Multidigits]

Good post Joe.

Most hunters I know in Kentucky readily accept NR hunters and treat them with respect. Redbone's web site forum put on a hunt at GRWMA this year and had a great time. All the NR hunters seem to have a good time. Massive Horns helped out a bunch. I'm sure most left with only good things to say about Kentucky hospitality.

NR hunters are just a segment of society. There's good ones and a few bad ones. Same as with resident hunters. NR hunters are welcome in y camp anytime.

[WhitetailHunter2000]

I have a cousin and 3 very close friends that come over every deer season from Missouri and hunt in KY every year. They pay all their dues, They eat at our restaurants, They shot at our Wal-Marts, They buy their ammo here, bringing their revenues with them. I haven't got 1 bad thing to say about NR's so far. I don't know too many, but the ones I do know, or have met at small cafe's have been real nice and very respectful.

get 'er done

WH2000
pse_bowhunter2000@yahoo.com

[redbow]

oldforestor, please accept my sincere apology for disagreeing with your post. I would like to thank you for allowing me to visit your board.

Non-resident poster,
Redbow

[squirrelgravy]

WhitetailHunter...how did they get by with "shooting" at our Wal-Marts??!!![:p][:D][:D][:D]

[Bucko]

I hope he meant Shop I might have been in there.LOL

Frank Warren

[oldforestor]

I wasnt concerned about your disagreement,sarcasm noted, I felt you misunderstood the post. My questions about NR hunters was not intended to address friends, relatives, and such.I host lots of then. It was intended to ask the question, if we are becoming a trophy destination, and no longer the best kept secret in deer hunting, should we be concerned about where we will end up in 5-10 years, like arkansas? with big money land leases and the other problems I have observed.
If you think this is "twisted" and "Greedy" and that there are "Many" violators to deal with, I dont care much.
Nobody has posted to the question originally brought about in the discussion of What the future holds in an era of increasing tropy NR hunters-which Chet appeared to be...NOT your friends and relatives.
Actually I personally set these rates each year and have full control of the dept.Sarcasm intended. There will be an investigation regarding this wal mart hunting thing.
In each of my posts, if you bothered to read them, going back to when chet was a poacher to the poachers we caught next door, I believe in almost all the situations I repeatedly asked these questions.


Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[oldforestor]

My first post, reacting to this story was...
"Also a great reason to increase non resident license fees.
talk about devaluing our deer herd! jeeez"
Reading the story the first time...
It's a reaction not totally unreasonable based on the story.
Since then, I posed it as a question.

Sometimes it's the arrow...
Sometimes it's the Indian...

[Hunt n nut]

You know what is funny. Kentucky hunters blame non-res for all these regulation violations. In all my life that I have hunted both IN and KY I have seen probably twice as many violations in Kentucky than I have in Indiana. Course, you all think those were done by non-residents. I am proud to say that I have more respect for the land and the wildlife on Kentucky WMA's that I hunt than the residents that trash it.

[WhitetailHunter2000]

Yes, they shop at our Wal-Mart's as well....
[;)]


get 'er done

WH2000
pse_bowhunter2000@yahoo.com

[Wildcat]

I'll say three things on here.

Ask any CO how many tickets he writes to non-residents and residents in a year. Now this is not only in Ky but any state. The resident tickets will far out number the non-resident, ever in percentage of ticket holders.

I have no problem with non-residents and welcome them. I've hunted out of state several times in my life in different states and I don't mind paying a higher rate. The way I look at rates is what that state has to offer for the price. Some states offer a good chance at a big buck while others don't have much to offer as far as big bucks. I'll galdly pay a higher fee in places like Ill, Iowa, Ohio, In, where my chances are good but in a state like Tn or Al ever though they have big bucks my chances there are silm and because of that I would not want to pay any higher fees than they already have. That being said I'm for an increse in non-resident fees. I beleive Kentucky has more to offer and better chances at big bucks than some other states. If you order a fille mignon you shouldn't expect to pay for a hamburger.

As for people that don't like any non-resident hunting in their state you can the same things about "locals" who see a instate hunter but from another part of the state. I ran into that problem in a couple WMA in Middle and East Kentucky ever though I was a resident. I'm sure others from that part of the state have seen the same here in West Ky but that can be said for any state. Too many people think of a local WMA as "THEIR" WMA and don't want ANY outsiders.

[bowhunter112]

alright he shot the 8pt the other guy tagged it in he only finished it off for another hunter. the second 8 pt he prolly tagged in and he didnt state that he shot the 5 pt he said we so there was another person or persons in the group. or did i miss something else in the post

[Hammer]

I would say the nonres hunters are much more respectful and better than the nonres fishermen/boaters!

[CPA Hunter]

Oldforester I'll reply to your statement of "Nobody has posted to the question originally brought about in the discussion of What the future holds in an era of increasing tropy NR hunters-which Chet appeared to be...NOT your friends and relatives."

First, KY has some awesome deer, but as other states are trying to duplicate KY and other states success (and they are) we should not be flooded with NRs Trophy hunters. For example, MS, Penn, IN and many other states are going to Buck restrictions (be it number or size). With out a doubt, if IN stay with the One buck rule, they will probably catch up with KY pretty darn fast. The land there is very similar to IL, but they do catch part of the rut with the Shotgun season.

Now as far as hunting goes in general our numbers are dwindling, but probably not at the rate good land is going away. I'll live with people hunting from where ever.

I'd like to add, I think NRs are every bit as polite and thoughtful as Residents, maybe more so than many. These are the guys that take hunting seriously, they must be to shell out more money. The guy that hunts out of the truck or with the light probably would not bother to travel and buy the NR license -- it just does not make sense.

[broadside]

First of all, I think that Walmart makes enough money that doesn't go back into the local enonomy. It wouldn't have mattered if they shot our walmart or 1 in Missouri[:D] I pay $40 the NR hunter pays $140. Do you think that they are going to limit that? The only thing that bothers me about NR hunters is that they should only get drawed for hunts after all resident hunters that applied have been drawn, not before.[:(!] I've met good and bad NR hunters. I've met good and bad resident hunters. Hell I think my neighbors are a$$holes. People are people, you have good and bad. The guy that comes to Ky and shoots 3 bucks and 10 does and wounds 7 others probably does the same thing at home. We have plenty of people here that do that. I'm a firm believer that you reep what you sow. One day they'll get what is coming to them.

CAIN'T HAVE NOTHIN

[aceoky]

I'm pretty certain that most of the money the Wal-Mart employees make stays near home(thus it does help the local economy)[:D] More sales=more local jobs=more money in local economy....

If you are a true hunter and respect the game and game laws, it shouldn't matter whether or not you are a NR hunter. As has been said bad apples come in all sizes,shapes and locales..... If you are NOT an ehthical hunter, then resident or not I have nothing to say to you that you'd care to hear[:D]....

The fact is: NR pay more to hunt here and they will probably do it more now that the "big antler boom" is on and we've been made a part of it!!! That is just a fact of life, and one I don't see the need to "panic" over(yet)...It is my guess that they(most NR) will be after trophy deer only and will most likely pass on anything less, this could be a good thing, since it will generate more $$$$ (if they'll use them for habitat improvement it'll be a win/win situation) now whether that happens or not is another thread in itself...

Either way, the "cat is out of the bag" and we may as well face it, nothing will change it for now at least, I have no problem with NR hunters, and in fact most are here to spend their hard earned $$$ to "visit" what we enjoy year 'round, now that's a good thing IMHO!!!!!

Most of us would give a month's salary to be able to hunt Alaska,(if only we could)[:)] so how can we not understand people wanting to hunt KY???? It goes with having QUALITY, people will want to join in on that, and who can blame them????? Certianly not most???....

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I'd rather be lucky than good any day!!

Reloaders Haul Brass!

[broadside]

I'm pretty sure that money from out of state hunters is not what keeps the doors on your local walmart open.

CAIN'T HAVE NOTHIN

[CPT Hunter]

Just to add another thought to this thread (definately has been insightful) Some, if not many of the Non-residents are transplanted Kentuckians or have some other connection to the state. My dad was born and raised in Ky, all of our family live in Ky, was even in traditional archery and mountain man organizations in Ky, but then had his job transferred to Florida. I would pray that there never comes a day when a man couldn't come "home" to enjoy a little hunting with his son and grandson because we either raised prices too high or severly limited out of state people. Just my .02 cents

'They had it before you, they had it during you, they'll have it when you're gone.'
--Al McGuire on Kentucky Basketball Tradition

[Bucko]

I just made sure my grandson can come hunt and fish with me , no matter where he grows up,I just got him a life time license,in the state of VT if the child is under 1 year old it is $145.life time.no matter where you live, always a resident.It's about the only thing the state has done for us in a while!!

Frank Warren

[CPA Hunter]

CPT, very very good point!

[Turtleky]

Bucko, I wish Kentucky would sell the life time license. I understand that TN does the same thing. I have a few friends from down there and that was their all time favorite Christmas present. The year they got their lifetime license and a hunting rifle was a Christmas they will never forget.

[RDL270]

That is very true CPT, I am blessed to have a hunting family and travel to GA, MI, IL and AR to hunt every year. Non resident fees break me, but the chance to hunt with my family to use a cliche' is priceless. GA, its $176, for a big game license, buts thats 5 deer and turkey, Illinois, its $225 and thats one deer, either sex, if you get drawn. AR its ducks and that is only $86.00 if I hunt public ground and we dont want to talk about a lease or using a guide..... Michigan for early duck and grouse is reasonable, can't remember the cost, its been two years since I hunted up there. But the point is, I am a non-resident in those states and I will pay the price to hunt with family. I met alot of people on my hunting trips and have never experienced the issues some have brought up here, especially in Arkansas. I hate to see NR fees go up any higher.